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### Author Topic: First electrical power output from a Pyramid  (Read 515482 times)

#### supersam

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##### Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #915 on: January 20, 2008, 08:27:00 AM »
@all,

i keep saying look at the earth batery thread.  they are achieving much more energy than you guys can dream of without the pyramid.  what if you use there knowledge with the pyramid?  who knows you might get some significant results.

lol
sam

#### duff

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##### Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #916 on: January 21, 2008, 07:58:27 PM »
At 14.5 ml solution, after injecting 1.5 ml in the right side, salt solution started dripping out the LEFT side so I stopped.

The following graphs illustrate what occurs with the voltage after each injection of 3 ml of 5% salt solution. The first point plotted on each graph is the voltage level before the injection was made.

In most graphs the voltages were not recorded at a regular time interval therefore the curves are not truly representative of the response. I had no idea I was going to graph these when I started. I was just trying to determine at what fill level water ran out.

The first graph is that of the initial injection. With each subsequent injection it sometimes takes hours to recover to the initial voltage.

The voltages were lower on the first graph because the multimeter was left connected for the entire time. I then noticed that the multimeter was loading the device and thereafter only connected the meter when acquiring voltages. Also, on the first graph I was experimenting with different pyramid orientations and the height of the energy pickup device. The rest of the graphs afterward, the pyramid was aligned to magnetic north and the pickup unit was positioned at 177mm.

NOTICE:

The peak voltage rises to a higher lever as I inject more solution.
Best Peak voltage.
Best time to recover initial voltage
Does the voltage reflect the degree of saturation equalization?

Note: All voltages were taken with the multi-meter positive lead connect at the junction of the left carbon rod and left coil and the negative lead connected to copper tubing.

Energy Pickup Unit:
Dimensions: 120mm x 100mm
Copper tubing: 1/2" Type M Copper Tubing
Silver Brazed with: Harris Safety-Siv 45
Carbon Rods: 0.125" gouging rods @ 90mm & 95mm in length

-Duff

« Last Edit: January 21, 2008, 09:18:58 PM by duff »

#### duff

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##### Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #917 on: January 21, 2008, 07:59:22 PM »

Thomas States:
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Now with a one-way syringe inject saltwater (approx. 5%) into the left lower hole, until the first drop comes out at the right hole.
SLOWLY inject saltwater until the Graphite rods are standing with their lower ends in the saltwater-sand solution.

Too much saltwater: --- Simply , wait one hour until it has run out enough.
Too low volume of saltwater: - - - Inject more saltwater until it drops out of the right hole.

On the very important thing is that the grafitne not in salt water. (If too much water in it can be 0 power)
First, I thought also that it would be better if the inner cell with salt water is full, but only after the two wells began to slow the thing to run.

It?s really a little tricky to mix sand and saltwater before you insert it into the pipes. So follow my description, wich works best. When you fill the tubes with saltwater, you will se a very bad effect.
(The pyramide will produce only very low power for aproxx. 10-10 min. This is because there is too much liquid inside. you can see, that the pyramide is pushing up the power after the first 30 minutes. After this process it?s not necessary to refill saltwater anytime!

The most important thing in the whole construction is, not to fill the tubes with saltwater!
To much saltwater destructs the pipe, and there will be a output equal zero!!!

Then make a mixture of Water+ 5%salt and press it in the left hole. If the first drop comes out on the right, stop!!
Wait 20-30 Minutes, and turn the Pyramide slowly into north.. and enjoy the Result.

ATTENTION: It?s normal, that the pyramide will start with small energy, becaus there is shurely to much saltwater inside.
Give the pyramide time (sometimes more than 60 Minutes.. the energy will increase from minute to minute.

Do any of these voltage responses curves look like what Thomas described if you overfill?

Can we compare the voltage response curve to adding salt solution with that of an initial overfill?

-Duff

#### duff

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##### Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #918 on: January 21, 2008, 10:09:29 PM »

Tapier21 has stated in the yahoo group that he has been able to detect/locate a hot spot  a couple of times. It seems to be located slightly off center.

It makes sense that if there is a hot spot it might not be exactly where we think the center is located being that we cannot build a perfect pyramid.

My next experimnet will be to try to detect a hot spot.

I'm going to mount a disc on the end of the PVC that I have suspended my power pickup device on with a small radial slot cut so that I can turn the disc 360 degrees with the power pickup device offset a few millimeters from center. The slot would enable adjusting the offset.

I'll adjust the postition of the device and then put all side on, take voltages readings and then move turn the disc. Height is yet another variable. Sounds like another time consuming test...

-Duff

#### PYRAman

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##### Re: Trawoger pyramid cracked..Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #919 on: January 22, 2008, 01:24:33 PM »
I think I made a new discovery by looking at the Keops pyramid cross section. When the Grand Gallery was filled with water and in the portcullis of the ante-chamber of the kings chamber some strings vibrated by means of wind coming through the narrow channels in the walls, the whole thing became a kind of a SOUND making instrument. Over the kings chamber are the so called relief chambers, made of thick plates POLISHED ONLY ON THE SIDE TOWARDS THE CHAMBER. I thing this is a kind of multi-stage resonator for sound, not relief chambers.
What if Thomas Trawoeger used the narrow pipe on the left side of the copper pipes assembly also for INJECTING SOUND (ultrasound?) into the pipes?
This is my supposition of how it may work: by injecting sound into the pipes, the cuartz cristalls start to vibrate and being in the focal point of the pyramid (?) they convert the pyramid energy (whatever this may be) into electricity. Now, being immersed into the salted water, the cristalls DISCHARGE immediately and WARM UP the water and the lower pipe. I think the salt concentration may be higher than just 5 percent.
If this all is true, Thomas Trawoeger just played with you in his own interest, because from what I have read until now, he never mentioned sound or heat.
As a rule of thumb, when you try to find the working principle, ALWAYS LOOK AT THE EGYPTIAN PYRAMIDS, especially at the Keops pyramid.

PYRAman

I think I understood how the egyptian pyramids worked.
So, you know that pyramids dehydrate bodies, so what if they produce HEAT from inside ?
Now, by studying different sections of the old pyramids, I noticed that all of them had wells deep underground, where from they must have extracting water, in times when the desert was fertile land and water level was near the earth surface. By some means they conducted the water through the corridors and passages, thus reaching even the queens and kings chamber. I remember I read somewhere that when they first opened the great pyramid, they found salt on the walls, the walls being also a little erroded by salt. So, here we have the salted water of Trawoeger.
I think that Trawogers pyramid produces primarily heat, and when the copper frame is heated, some peltier effect comes into play, because there are more different metalls built into the frame. Then he collects the high current-low voltage and converts them by means of spool and condensers. You notice that the coil is not made directly on the copper pipe, maybe because the pipe gets hot?
Also, when you look to his old pictures, on the first site of this thread, you see the open hole of a narrower copper pipe, attached to the main copper frame. Maybe he added salted water in order to TUNE the copper frame to the frequency of the pyramid. I dont know if the V6 has something right in it, so we could start by making the frame shown in his picture.

I also have to say something else. After I understood how the pyramid works, I wanted to keep it for myself and make a lot of money with it, but as I rejoyed at that idea, something strange happened, in my head I heard a very loud and penetrating thought saying DONT BE SELFISH! That gave me the chills and kind of scared me because of its strength, that was definitely NOT my thought, so I decided to register here and tell the solution to you all. I will build my own pyramid and try it, but some of you have already built pyramids, so you can try it first.

PYRAman

#### duff

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##### Re: Trawoger pyramid cracked..Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #920 on: January 22, 2008, 06:16:19 PM »
PYRAman,

Interesting thoughts...

I think I made a new discovery by looking at the Keops pyramid cross section. When the Grand Gallery was filled with water and in the portcullis of the ante-chamber of the kings chamber some strings vibrated by means of wind coming through the narrow channels in the walls, the whole thing became a kind of a SOUND making instrument. Over the kings chamber are the so called relief chambers, made of thick plates POLISHED ONLY ON THE SIDE TOWARDS THE CHAMBER. I thing this is a kind of multi-stage resonator for sound, not relief chambers.

I really know very little about the Keops pyramid. When was it filled with water?

Quote
What if Thomas Trawoeger used the narrow pipe on the left side of the copper pipes assembly also for INJECTING SOUND (ultrasound?) into the pipes?
This is my supposition of how it may work: by injecting sound into the pipes, the cuartz cristalls start to vibrate and being in the focal point of the pyramid (?) they convert the pyramid energy (whatever this may be) into electricity. Now, being immersed into the salted water, the cristalls DISCHARGE immediately and WARM UP the water and the lower pipe. I think the salt concentration may be higher than just 5 percent.

How could the pipes vibrate if they are filled with sand?

Something that I noted but have not posted is that after I made the initial injection of salt solution the Energy pickup unit develops a somewhat large capacitance / inductance.

For example here are some measurements I made after making the initial injection of salt solution. The measurements were made from the each terminal with respect to the top latch (copper tubing):

Hung EPU on a string from top latch
90mm carbon rod voltage: 0.0621 VDC / 0.0000 VAC / 45.0 mH / 1.06 uF
95mm carbon rod voltage: 0.0617 VDC / 0.0000 VAC / 57.0 mH / 0.81 uF

Also as the voltage changes so does the capacitance / inductance.

90mm carbon rod voltage: 0.1704 VDC / 0.0000 VAC / 25.6 mH / 1.54 uF
95mm carbon rod voltage: 0.1810 VDC / 0.0000 VAC / 27.8 mH / 1.43 uF

Plug those numbers into the resonance formula:
1 / (2 * pi * sqrt(L * C))
1 / (2 * 3.14159 * sqrt(25.6E-3 * 1.54E-6)) = 801.57 Hz

1/(2 * 3.14159 * sqrt(27.8-E-3 * 1.43E-6)) = 798.23 Hz

Beat Frequencies:
801.57 - 798.23 =3.33 Hz
801.57 + 798.23 = 1.59 KHz

Could sound play a part?

Quote
If this all is true, Thomas Trawoeger just played with you in his own interest, because from what I have read until now, he never mentioned sound or heat.
As a rule of thumb, when you try to find the working principle, ALWAYS LOOK AT THE EGYPTIAN PYRAMIDS, especially at the Keops pyramid.

PYRAman

It seems that errors/contradictions can be found in almost every statement Thomas made. Perhaps he did not share everything and what is missing would tie up the loose ends. I don't know. I'm still trying to work within the bounds of what was shared.

-Duff

#### neptune

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##### Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #921 on: January 22, 2008, 07:21:01 PM »
I find it amazing that so much effort has been put into this, when there is so little to go on. As I previously stated, we do not even know the thinking process that lead TT to conclude that electricity could be obtained from a pyramid.{assuming it is not a hoax.] We do not know what is being converted by the converter. The "hot spot" could be very small. If it is the converter is a clumsy instrument with which to search. To me , the important question is, can anyone show evidence of ANY phenomena which ONLY occurs within the pyramid. Without this, there can be no hope. I would hazve thought that if sound played a part it would be audible on the video.

#### duff

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##### Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #922 on: January 22, 2008, 07:41:01 PM »
Neptune,

I agree with you - it is very unlikely that sound is a part of this.

Yes - the converter is a clumsy instrument and FRAGLE. Sit it down too hard or drop it and all it's characteristics change.

I find it amazing that some of the people that built did not take the time to throughly explore the device and see if there was anything there.

I invested a lot of time and effort into building so I'm going to take the time to explore what is there if anything.

Realistically, there is very little hope of making this work and I'm aware of that.

-Duff

#### neptune

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##### Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #923 on: January 22, 2008, 09:52:35 PM »
@Duff. I would be the last person on earth to discourage you from further research, in spite of my last post. If we could just get a "handle" on exactly what kind of energy we are looking for, we would have a better chance. I ha\ve tried all kinds of weird ideas, just to try to prove that conditions inside the pyramid are different from those outside. No luck up to now. One theory I had was that the air inside became slightly ionised. The only way I can think of to test this is to use an adjustable spark gap. A given voltage should jump a bigger gap in ionised air than in normal air. Also somewhere I read that a column of ionised air appears ABOVE a pyramid. I was going to test these theories with a car ignition coil, but cant seem to find it at present. Regarding beat frequencies of ?.33 and !.59 kilohertz. Although it is not generally known, Radio waves as well as sound waves can exist at these frequencies[ELF or extreemly low frequencies, google it]

#### duff

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##### Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #924 on: January 23, 2008, 12:29:40 AM »
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If we could just get a "handle" on exactly what kind of energy we are looking for, we would have a better chance.

@Neptune

I am familiar with ELF and have done quite a bit of reading related to it. Perhaps something in that frequency range triggers an event in the pyramid which allows the energy to start being received. Who knows...

At this point I have not found the pyramid influences anything inside it  -  that I can measure. If we could just find an affect that is measurable then we could possibly get a foothold.

It could depend on the pickup device being in just the right location before any effect appears.

I did some testing last night with a disc  trying to rotate the pickup device around a specific point - nothing.

Everything related to this device has to be precision work and my disc was not close. Today, I'm just thinking about what I need to do to be able to test this in a precise way.

-Duff

#### jeanna

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##### Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #925 on: January 23, 2008, 01:32:59 AM »
Everything related to this device has to be precision work and my disc was not close. Today, I'm just thinking about what I need to do to be able to test this in a precise way.
-Duff
I think this is absolutely correct. To collect some kind of energy that our instruments can detect. The Human can easily detect this energy, but our bodies have receptors that work at a very wide range.  ( Perhaps this is the reason so many have been willing to continue with the building of these replicas. On the intuitive level, we know there is something happening in a pyramid.)
It is very likely that the scale is what is making this hard. (I don't mean to replicate TT's thing. I have NO IDEA what he is/was up to) I just mean the scale you are working with compared to the original pyramids.
I commend you all for your excellent and hard and precise work. This is out of my range. (I never got past sinking probes into salted sand outside then inside a pyramid !)

jeanna

#### libra_spirit

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##### Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #926 on: January 23, 2008, 01:41:47 AM »
Quote
If we could just get a "handle" on exactly what kind of energy we are looking for, we would have a better chance.

@Neptune

I am familiar with ELF and have done quite a bit of reading related to it. Perhaps something in that frequency range triggers an event in the pyramid which allows the energy to start being received. Who knows...

At this point I have not found the pyramid influences anything inside it  -  that I can measure. If we could just find an affect that is measurable then we could possibly get a foothold.

It could depend on the pickup device being in just the right location before any effect appears.

I did some testing last night with a disc  trying to rotate the pickup device around a specific point - nothing.

Everything related to this device has to be precision work and my disc was not close. Today, I'm just thinking about what I need to do to be able to test this in a precise way.

-Duff

Have you guys tried scalar coils as sensing devices?
Might also try an apple see if it rots?
The energy of a pyramid is a subtle one, but at the focal points down the center axis they have some intense effects. Rub hands together fast and then place left hand in energy column and feel it. Also over the tip of the top.

An iron wire cut to 15 - 3/16" can be used as a detector also, this wire will light up when it hits torsion nodes. You can use it to scan the interior of the column. The wire held at center position does intense things to your third eye.

Torsion is all about spin, and spin can alter the nucleus of the atoms in the battery.

Dave L

#### neptune

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##### Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #927 on: January 23, 2008, 09:24:58 PM »
@libra-spirit. Could you give more information about scalar coils. I respect your beliefs regarding the use of an iron wire, but I do not share them. I think you are referring to dowsing, or divining. If you can do this under controlled conditions, you are eligible for the James Randi 1,000,000 dollar prize. I would love to see you win it, but am not holding my breath! Still at least you are contributing to the debate.

#### libra_spirit

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##### Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #928 on: January 28, 2008, 07:48:59 AM »
@libra-spirit. Could you give more information about scalar coils. I respect your beliefs regarding the use of an iron wire, but I do not share them. I think you are referring to dowsing, or divining. If you can do this under controlled conditions, you are eligible for the James Randi 1,000,000 dollar prize. I would love to see you win it, but am not holding my breath! Still at least you are contributing to the debate.

144.379 mm soft iron tie wire, fold exactly in half. Now place inside pyramid using a compass see if you get a magnetic North pole off the doubled over end. See if the magnetic field climbs as you hit the center vortex area. A magnetic field is something you can use directly if this works in a pyramid.

Also torsion fields are studied in Russia, they have nothing to do with divining per say. You can make one of these tubes with Aluminum at 15 - 3/16", 1" diameter or so, sit and hold it with a hand on both ends, if you sense the spin fields, then you have a new meter. If you can feel the scalar torsion fields up this rod at 7 places of equidistant spacing about 1.89", then you will discover torsion fields. This is the energy that pyramids are supposed to be generating.

One more possible scheme. Take the actual height of the pyramid, devide this by 8, to get the 1x fractal of its height, now make a piece 3x long and fold that at the center. This will create 3x torsion nodes for the pyramids actual size. Folding this in half will create a 3 spin system that will be unbalanced and may pop out magnetic fields between the nodes. One pole will be at the center of the rod, the other pole will appear between the nodes on the ends. When this piece recieves spin from the center line of the pyramid it should power up and deflect a compass. Best guess.

8 - 11/32" copper ring can be used to locate diamagnetic fields also up the center line of the pyramid.

http://magnetism.fateback.com/Matrix.htm

A diamagnetic field will repell both ends of a magnet, these are felt as slight pressure of repulsion.

Thanks,
Dave L
« Last Edit: January 28, 2008, 08:45:37 AM by libra_spirit »

#### PYRAman

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##### Re: Trawoger pyramid cracked..Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #929 on: February 02, 2008, 03:03:50 PM »
I have something great to report today. I had a kind of direct communication with a unusual human being and again my body was trenched in thrills during the communication. Actually it felt cold and hot and cold and hot and so on (see also my first post).
Here is the message, I remember every word and that is weird:
The Great Pyramid has TWO great galleries, two kings rooms and actually everything is doubled, but the people who take care of the pyramid keep it secret. The second ones are on the south side and the second gallery is descending. If one connects the both sides, an electric circuit will be formed. In the kings chamber there was an opening at the kings head in the wall which lead to the second kings chamber. At the height of the queens room there must be a lot of pure quarz sand with very little grains, with rounded edges. When one excites this sand with a proper tune and its higher harmonics, the whole circuit will become of fire. It will burn your hand when touched.
I and my kind (this being says) guided the thoughts of many people for making discoveries that could benefit the planet, but they used to keep silence because they were afraid of the consequences, or sold the inventions. This is pure selfishness.
These inventions were meant to save the humanity from pumping crude oil from the earth, because when the oil is removed, great holes remain in the earth and the balanced rotational dynamic of the planet, achieved in millions of years, will be affected. Imagine a wheel out of balance and you see how the Earth will behave in the next years, because it already reached a state with great tensions inside the crust. Soon these tensions will cause the earth crust to crack and a lot of hot melted stone and toxic gases will spread into the air, causing the death of millions of beings. This happened already once, the crust under the ocean cracked and that caused the great tsunami in Indonesia. It will happen again soon.
I am a very old being of human type (said he or she) from a breed created by the "gods" in ancient times, I am almost eight thousand years old and more wise and knowledgeable than you can imagine. The normal humans used to call me a "half-god". After the work of the "gods" was done, some twenty thousand years ago, they went to another planet and left us, "half-gods" to lead the humanity for the benefit of everyone, but after a while some normal humans wanted to have much more than they were given and being driven by the animal instincts that were still strong in themselves, they killed many of us and begun to lead great groups of humans by selfish rules that their animalic instincts dictated. They invented new religions, new habits and also the notion of property, which was previously unknown.
When a world is run by selfishness it will be eventually destroyed somehow. Since then there was two great civilisations benefiting from the advanced knowledge of the "gods" but they were selfdestroyed. After every destruction some leaders saved themselves and went to savage people elsewhere and started a new civilisation. This is also the case of the present civilisation, which will be distroyed not by great wars, but by manmade natural disasters, actually by the huge holes made in the ground.
You must immediately stop pumping crude oil from the ground, otherwise the tensions in the crust will grow higher and higher. The most selfish leaders of the world do not want this, so you the normal people must stop using oil products.
The "gods" will come back next year, they are already underway, but you must act now if you want to prevent further natural disasters. These "gods" are incredible strong beings, almost immortal, up to 15 feet tall, with great physical and mental powers. Every one of them is a genious. They will help saving the planet, but they may come to late because the tensions in the earth are already too high. If you do not act now, you will all die, actually because of your selfishness that drives you crazy. Stop travelling by car and by airplane if these use oil products. Build pyramids and use only clean energy. If you do not do so, you as humanity will be severely punished by the "gods" when they arrive, for distroying this planet because your selfishness. No more secrets. Secrets are about selfishness and that is what the "gods" hate.

This was the message. I am still shocked, my whole body hurts because I had extreme physical symptoms during the telepathic thing...
Since my last message I have built a pyramid, now I will built the Inner devices. You should do it too, because if I am the only one who shows results, some may say it is a fake.

PYRAman
messenger of the "half-gods"

I think I made a new discovery by looking at the Keops pyramid cross section. When the Grand Gallery was filled with water and in the portcullis of the ante-chamber of the kings chamber some strings vibrated by means of wind coming through the narrow channels in the walls, the whole thing became a kind of a SOUND making instrument. Over the kings chamber are the so called relief chambers, made of thick plates POLISHED ONLY ON THE SIDE TOWARDS THE CHAMBER. I thing this is a kind of multi-stage resonator for sound, not relief chambers.
What if Thomas Trawoeger used the narrow pipe on the left side of the copper pipes assembly also for INJECTING SOUND (ultrasound?) into the pipes?
This is my supposition of how it may work: by injecting sound into the pipes, the cuartz cristalls start to vibrate and being in the focal point of the pyramid (?) they convert the pyramid energy (whatever this may be) into electricity. Now, being immersed into the salted water, the cristalls DISCHARGE immediately and WARM UP the water and the lower pipe. I think the salt concentration may be higher than just 5 percent.
If this all is true, Thomas Trawoeger just played with you in his own interest, because from what I have read until now, he never mentioned sound or heat.
As a rule of thumb, when you try to find the working principle, ALWAYS LOOK AT THE EGYPTIAN PYRAMIDS, especially at the Keops pyramid.

PYRAman

I think I understood how the egyptian pyramids worked.
So, you know that pyramids dehydrate bodies, so what if they produce HEAT from inside ?
Now, by studying different sections of the old pyramids, I noticed that all of them had wells deep underground, where from they must have extracting water, in times when the desert was fertile land and water level was near the earth surface. By some means they conducted the water through the corridors and passages, thus reaching even the queens and kings chamber. I remember I read somewhere that when they first opened the great pyramid, they found salt on the walls, the walls being also a little erroded by salt. So, here we have the salted water of Trawoeger.
I think that Trawogers pyramid produces primarily heat, and when the copper frame is heated, some peltier effect comes into play, because there are more different metalls built into the frame. Then he collects the high current-low voltage and converts them by means of spool and condensers. You notice that the coil is not made directly on the copper pipe, maybe because the pipe gets hot?
Also, when you look to his old pictures, on the first site of this thread, you see the open hole of a narrower copper pipe, attached to the main copper frame. Maybe he added salted water in order to TUNE the copper frame to the frequency of the pyramid. I dont know if the V6 has something right in it, so we could start by making the frame shown in his picture.

I also have to say something else. After I understood how the pyramid works, I wanted to keep it for myself and make a lot of money with it, but as I rejoyed at that idea, something strange happened, in my head I heard a very loud and penetrating thought saying DONT BE SELFISH! That gave me the chills and kind of scared me because of its strength, that was definitely NOT my thought, so I decided to register here and tell the solution to you all. I will build my own pyramid and try it, but some of you have already built pyramids, so you can try it first.

PYRAman