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Author Topic: First electrical power output from a Pyramid  (Read 515305 times)

Offline neptune

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #885 on: January 08, 2008, 10:01:46 PM »
@ The Eskimo Quinn. Thanks for that information. It is not true that all batteries have to be charged before use, There are 2 types of batteries, or cells Primary cells do not need to be charged before use,e.g. zinc-carbon cells as in cheap torch batteries. Secondary cells such as lead- acid cells have to be charged. The clay jar batteries you refer to have been replicated, and are primary cells. There is evidence that they were used for electro-plating, and I believe that ancient electroplated artifacts have been found.

Offline The Eskimo Quinn

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #886 on: January 08, 2008, 10:10:41 PM »
quite right, i was only noting how the effect was discove rd and that the batteries in question contained copper sheet eluding to the fact they are more likely a capacitor type battery needing a charge, as opposed to the other type which would make them disposable and many more would likely have been found.

I like the electroplating theory though, never thought of that, i was going with atrophy, an ancient electric muscle stimulator, perhaps even an after death muscle mover for priests or Pharaohs to show life after death, to show god like abilities.

Offline duff

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #887 on: January 08, 2008, 10:54:07 PM »
I have been testing but have failed to produce any results.

Attempts have been made with the pyramid on a concrete floor (rebar embeded), on a plastic work bench with 3/4" plywood on top and 33" above the concrete floor. I also tried replacing the plywood with a gypsum base.

I have not yet tried outside on the ground.

Then today I thought I would remeasure the frame and found it 3mm out of square. Before I welded it was right on, so I guess welding pulled it out. Thomas warned about this but I failed to catch it at the time.

I don't think there is any point in me continuing testing with this frame however I will give it one final attempt outside on the ground before giving up on it.

I'll probably start building another fame in a few days. It's not expensive - just time consuming...

Would you guys check your frames and let everyone know the results. Hopefully you did better than I did...


-Duff
« Last Edit: January 08, 2008, 11:31:04 PM by duff »

Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #888 on: January 08, 2008, 11:49:10 PM »
Hi neptune,
just look closely at the top and edges where the black wires are comming outbthere is nowhere a tiny bit of solder to see and from experience to solder any kind of wire to this copper blade needs quite a amount of heat what would melt the plastic of the wire what is nowhere there to see. seeing the other solder places where you clearly can see it is soldered brougth me up to this idea and also the the one turn of the wire coming from the right graphite rod, also the fact that there is no other connection of this black wire what could make it a capacitor.
greetings
walt


Hi Walt, and thanks for your input.However I am inclined to agree with Duffs post on the Yahoo site when ha says that the black wires visible at the upper corners of the central cap, are just to connect individual positive and individual negative plates. You idea of a coil interleaved with the plates is feasible. As always it is best for us all to try different ideas.Re the V4. Assuming the central cap plates are sized as in V6 [ and there may be only a total of 6 plates in the v4 cap] then the copper frame is considerably taller. we do not know the length of the graphite rods in v4, and there appears to be no saltwater drain holes. I am experimenting with a test tube full of sand, to try to create a formula to determine what quantity of saltwater will wet a given volume of sand. Thus I can put the saltwater in before the sand.
            Is anybody satisfied,or not, that they can demonstate any effect , however small, that happens inside the pyramid, but not outside.
           Also does anybody who has a theory about the origin  of "pyramid" energy" have a theory about the shape or direction  of the field, rays, etc inside the pyramid. The more we find out, the less we realise we know...

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #889 on: January 09, 2008, 01:12:39 PM »
@ Walt. Thanks for info You could well have point about the soldering, this also matches my experience, I will give it further study tonight..As i said yesterday, we have to try both approaches.
               What we do not know, is how TT came up with this design initially. There was some simple basic discovery/ experi,ment which then lead to further devellopment. We are trying to start at chapter 10..... I keep trying random tests with just a coil or a cap and a voltmeter , but nothing yet.
@Duff, please dont rebuild your frame, just cut a bit out or put abit in and reweld. As TT said, no prize for the prettiest pyramid. Right, gotta work, see you later.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #890 on: January 09, 2008, 07:32:26 PM »

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #891 on: January 09, 2008, 10:59:03 PM »

Then today I thought I would remeasure the frame and found it 3mm out of square

Hi duff,

3mm Winkelfehler solltest Du ohne Probleme noch mit der Hand ausrichten k?nnen. Setz die Basis mit der Ecke auf den Boden auf und dr?ck feste  drauf. Wirst sehen, der kommt ;) 

Ansonsten zieh in den Ecken, die >90? sind, nochmal eine Naht in der Innenecke durch. Beim Erkalten zieht die Schwei?naht den Winkel nochmal zusammen. Ma?kontrolle mach ich bei solchen Arbeiten grunds?tzlich nicht mit dem Winkel, sondern ?bers Diagonalma?.

3mm.... pfffffffff.....w?r doch gelacht...:D

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #892 on: January 10, 2008, 03:28:38 AM »

Then today I thought I would remeasure the frame and found it 3mm out of square

Hi duff,

3mm Winkelfehler solltest Du ohne Probleme noch mit der Hand ausrichten k?nnen. Setz die Basis mit der Ecke auf den Boden auf und dr?ck feste  drauf. Wirst sehen, der kommt ;) 

Ansonsten zieh in den Ecken, die >90? sind, nochmal eine Naht in der Innenecke durch. Beim Erkalten zieht die Schwei?naht den Winkel nochmal zusammen. Ma?kontrolle mach ich bei solchen Arbeiten grunds?tzlich nicht mit dem Winkel, sondern ?bers Diagonalma?.

3mm.... pfffffffff.....w?r doch gelacht...:D


@blubbino,

Thomas said: "The ground shape of the pyramid must be absolutely square."

3 mm is not much but when it does not work I have to look at where I made mistakes.


@neptune

Yes I could cut the frame and try to correct the mistake


Thanks guys for the suggestions. I will try them.

-Duff


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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #893 on: January 10, 2008, 02:34:51 PM »
After thinking about it over night I've decided that I want to rebuild the frame. You might think this is pointless but I have some things I want to try which no one else has done (that I know of).

Thomas stated that the V12 corners should be cutout and the diagonal should be 1000mm from the bottom of the cutout to the apex.

CLaNZeR and I discussed this in the TPP-Project forum and I think that's why he went with angle iron. It basically accomplished the same thing without making the cutouts AND the gypsum lies flat against the diagonal. With the cutout the gypsum does not lie flat against the diagonals.

I built a modified version. I inset the diagonal on the top of the frame so that it had the same angle as if it were setting in the bottom of the cutout and cut it to a shorter length. Effectively it was 1000mm from the bottom of the frame to the apex and the gypsum did not lie on the diagonal at the bottom but my diagonal was not 1000mm.

So, while you guys work on other aspects of this device, I want to rebuild the V12 frame as Thomas specified, with the cutouts in the frame, simply because it has not been done (that I know of). Also, I want to strive for more precision.

When you read the white paper on the V6 it sounds easy to get this device working. You don't even need a compass. Just slowly turn the pyramid into the north looking for a voltage rise.

No one has seen this effect that is willing to talk about it.


-Duff

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #894 on: January 12, 2008, 08:56:48 AM »
Hello group,

I do not know how many here are sensitive to pyramid power, or meditation, but I will offer our discovery as it may be somehow applicable to the effort happening here. It is not my intention to divide this group into offshoot efforts, but only offer our current project data and discoveries in hopes that more minds may find answers faster if all knowledge is openly shared.

http://magnetism.fateback.com/LightTech.htm

I have my own ideas now on how pyramids generate power from Light, and the URL shows what we have been doing.

http://magnetism.fateback.com/index.htm

Thanks,
Dave L

Offline The Eskimo Quinn

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #895 on: January 12, 2008, 12:32:10 PM »
ok so I'm no longer the strangest person on the site anymore :(

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #896 on: January 13, 2008, 06:44:08 PM »

I have stopped construction on my 2nd frame for the moment NOT because I don't know how to overcome the construction issues but because I having difficulties in beliving the guy when continually running into inconsistencies in his construction instructions or lack of details thereof. It's hard to invest more time and money in something when doubts keep creeping in.

Here is another problem with Thomas's V12 frame construction instruction.
Thomas states:

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Now you keep the square-tubes (2pc. with 1000mm) and give them to 2 opposite sides of the plate. Cut 2 pc. of square-tubes to 960mm and give them to the plate to create a square.

Weld this now only with a few points to fix the square, and control that the square is in correct angle of 90? on all 4 Corners :-)

If anything is correct, weld the Corners on the Corners complete. (It doesn?t matter if you burn the plate Grin)

Control the angles after welding again, and check, that the square have "floor contact" to the plate.

The next step is a little bit more complicated, because we have to find the right cutting angle, and the right lenght for the next 4 Squaretubes. To keep the whole lengt of this tubes, we have to give away the 20mm of the groundframe. On the other side, we have to measure exactly 1000mm to the 3/8" Tube in the Center of the plate.

1. In order to cut away the frame with a grinder you have to do this prior to assembly as I've shown in the first picture.

2. When you make the cutout then you have one edge of the joint that is cut away where the tubing makes a bend. The metal there is very thin as shown in picture 2. If I tried to weld the joint where those two meet I would burn throught it with my wire welder.

The point is that joint can't be made like that. Both pieces of tubing need to be the same length and cut at 45? where the joint is made.

3. Thomas states: "we have to give away the 20mm of the groundframe". NOT CORRECT. The diagonal that runs out of that corner is 25mm wide (on edge) AND in order to make the weld on the bottom of the tubing you certainly have to give youself some space to work

I ask Thomas no less than 4 time for pictures of that joint and his final response to me was if I didn't know how to do it I should look at what others were doing. Well it had nothing to do with not knowing how to do it but rather his instruction made no sense.

Note: the pics are of scrap tubing I used to make this point.


-Duff

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #897 on: January 13, 2008, 09:01:50 PM »
@duff. I am sorry to see that you are having construction problems, and I do not pretend I can offer an easy answer. To me, the most significant thing said about the frame, was that it was the inside surface of the outer "coating" that was critical regarding dimensions and angles. I took this to mean that the sole function of the steel frame was to hold the plasterboard in place.Therefore, I used angle-iron throughout. I cut my diagonals to 1 metre length, and shaped the ends, and added the base frame afterwards. I suggest you do the same, diagonals first, then make some cardboard box section which is easy to cut, and make a mock-up.
                 At this time of year, I find it hard to be optimistic about anything. The only bright thing is the slow lengthening of the hours of daylight. My doubts about the pyramid are real, but maybe different to yours. My first doubt is about the high internal resistance of the device. Assuming, as we must for lack of better info, that the same electrons flow in the internal circuit as flow in the external circuit, then those electrons have to flow through air for, I would guess, about 35 centimetres. In a car spark plug, it takes about 25.000 volts to persuade  electrons to jump an air gap of about one millimeter. Anyone seen evidence of these Megavolts? Maybe its just the January Blues., I think he got about the same results as the rest of us, and decided it would be easier to let us do the work for him. It was even too much trouble for him to help us. At first I thought TT was a legend in his own lifetime. Turns out he was just a legend in his own mind.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #898 on: January 14, 2008, 04:36:54 AM »
Neptune,

Yes, you are correct - the inside surface is important. - I didn't know you used angle iron. To me that would make construction easier...

My biggest obstacle right now is not the construction - it's believing in the instruction set we've been given. For now I'll shelf the 2nd build.

I ran many tests yesterday and now believe that my energy pickup unit (EPU) has not been fully functional.

What I did was build a test setup with copper tubing and a couple of 90 degree elbows. I filled the tubes with sand and  cut a couple of carbon rods, one 85mm - the other 90mm and stuck them in the sand. Added 2 ml of 5% salt solution and watched the DC voltage with reference to the copper tubing.

One carbon rod became positive and the other negative (millivolt range) and they maintained the polarity difference overnight.

My  EPU does not have the same polarity difference with reference to the copper tubing and so I believe it has not been functioning. So I've spent time today replacing the carbon rod hangers I was using with fine wire from a flyback transformer. I'm going to solder them in place and the wire will give them the flexibility to move while filling with sand. If this thing does start to produce anything significant of course I'll have to replace that wire with something heavier.

My idea is to use the small millivolt potential, with reference to the copper frame, as a guage to find the energy focal point in the pyramid. If this will work we could determine both height and direction for alignment and at least have a frame of reference to build from. At this point I'll take any voltage that is consistent.

I hope tapier21, in the yahoo group, continues to show some results. The main problem with the info he is sharing is the translation. I wish someone would translate his posts - the translation engines just aren't cutting it.


-Duff

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #899 on: January 15, 2008, 09:21:09 PM »
I told you many times!
You're loosing time here!!!
No TT no pyramid ( if this was not a story!!!!) .
Tigrotto