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Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #855 on: January 01, 2008, 12:30:03 PM »
Hi george,
I will try with a totally new copper pie frame setup not using any saltwater at all, and see what is happening then.
because even if you inject just a very small amount of saltwater the capilary action will moisten all the sand I checked this.
greetigns
walt


Hi george,
this is what I did first outside the pyramide but there was no charge at all.
greetings
walt

Hi Walter,
It looks to me that it acted exactly like battery I had for some time in the pyramid.
I remember  that TT  was explicitly saying that to much of salt water is no good.  When I was injecting salt water, in the beginning it was going in easy.  Then at some point sand was saturated and I had difficulties to inject more.  Since I haven't seen it come out through the other hole I kept injecting.  Then I saw a drop forming on the other side.  At that moment I stopped.  Now I am reassembling collector and what I found out my entire sand is saturated real well with salt water.  That might be bad.  It took me about 15 minutes to see that drop forming on the other side.  I might rushed to much to inject the salt water.  This time I am planning to get it really slow and easy.
I want to hear others experience with it.
George

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #856 on: January 01, 2008, 04:41:17 PM »
Hi duff,
did you read my post in regards to changing the coil winding direction? Till anybody comes up with results from a setup where the coils wind in oposed direction ( because the most who reported here and have the right coil direction reporting that they have nothing) I sai this is exactly what does not work. maybe I am wrong but my test prove's otherwise till now.
greetings
walt



@magpower

I have  few suggestions.

Looking at some of your previous pictures (don't know if you current setup is the same), you have would both coils in the same direction and they should be opposing.

Also, try changing the wire size to #10 (2.5 mm), and give it an inner diameter of 25mm rather than winding it directly on the tubing.

Thanks for the update

-Duff


Walter,

TT emphasised the direction the coils were wound but I can understand you frustration and wanting to try something that appeared to show results.

I will begin testing today or tomorrow if all goes well.

If my setup does not work rather than changing TTs design I believe I will start correcting the things that are not exactly as TT says.

I was unable to build this device perfectly. I know I have made mistakes and I know where they are but this was my first build and I know how to do things better now.

Also, there is plenty of room for misinterpretation in TT white paper and we have seen him overlook details.

We also know he was upset over our interpretation. Perhaps the sand fill level was not it.  Maybe next week I will go back through the discussion and look for other possibilities.


-Duff


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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #857 on: January 01, 2008, 08:06:50 PM »
Hi everyone. Today I found an hour to do a bit of pyramid work. My v6 converter was complete except for sand, graphite, and saltwater. My completed pyramid is at a friends house 15 miles away, as i have no room for it here. There have been many failed v6 projects, that I am going to try something different. Inside my copper tubing ,I have 2 zinc carbon cells wired in series , to replace the "voltaic cells". I will give this device to my friend tomorrow to be placed in the pyramid for tests. The hope is of course more volts out than in. Future ideas include a close copy of a V4.
@ Pese thaks for the message.
@ walt. you keep getting interesting results. I get the impression that this is not Luck, but a lot of time and effort. You deserve to succeed, and you are not the only one. If somebody cracks this, it will make 2008 a vintage year.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #858 on: January 01, 2008, 09:10:33 PM »
@walter and all,

i have been following this thread and tt site since the begining.  i have also been following the earth battery thread.  in the earth battery thread and experiments, they have found that using cabon rod stuck into the ground always becomes the positive of the circuit and by using a magnesium rod stuck in the ground this becomes a negative pole.  by running this circuit through a led they are already generating enough power to light the led.  please don't let me take you off track, however,  tt never really finished describing his setup completely.  so we really can't be sure what his setup is.  it does seem to make a little sense to me however if you are using two carbon rods, maybe both actually positive with only a slight voltage differential due to the length of your positve carbon rods why your coils only produce when wound the same direction.  it also makes sense to me that if you also use a magnesium rod, negative, and a carbon rod positive, to form a circuit through your coils that are wound right handed and lefthanded and then ran in series with your capacitor,  you might expect to have a chance, with proper alighnment to get enough power to see if in fact the pyramid is doing anything to enhance this effect.

just my thoughts. kind of got a little discouraged about the actual build when tt pulled out,  since you guys are already way ahead my if someone could give this a try it might get some more of us watchers off our asses.  keep up the good work.

lol
sam

Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #859 on: January 02, 2008, 11:52:27 AM »
Hi all,
yesterday I finally had the time to move my pyramide out of my big workshop in to my smaler electronic workshop and on the way there I did test the theorie about underground water because I have a underground aquifier running from east to west in about 6 feet depth. the result was no influence on the output of the pyramide at all.
Now that I am in the other workshop where I got more equipment I can also use my oszy its a old one but hey, to see if there is anythings to see on the scope.
I also start tonight tests with the replica ( as close as I could build) of the V4. what still buffles me on this one is the fact that the top bridge including the two vertical pipe's are soldered and only the bottom brifge is somehow riveted, the million dollar question now is how to fill this with sand and hold the graphite rods center and then connect the bottom filled with sand without the sand running out.
I mean on the top to hold the rods center would be possible ( at least thats what I did) if the rods are locked in place by like wax or so and then fill the vertical with sand but then comes the probleme connecting the two bridges together I did it the way that I filled the top part full upside down and the bottom bridge that just the horizontal pipe was filled , then I put a piece of clear tap across the two vertical pipes made them so long that I still could grab them. I put the bottom bridge in a vice and the put the top portion right on top and carefully removed the taps it did work well with a tiny bit of sand runing out. the remaining area of the bottom part will be filled from the overfilled sand of the top portion. but this means if TT made it this way that the top bridge is filled with sand too. I will see how it works out.
now I got my pyramid standing right on the concrete floor there can not be any other influence.
greetings
walt

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #860 on: January 02, 2008, 07:34:09 PM »
I've had a setback -

Everything was assembled in pyramid - grounds, secodary capacitior, etc and was getting ready to inject saltwater solution when I noticed one of my endcaps had shifted outward a couple of mm. Don't know when it happened but as a result I uncertain of the condition/position of carbon rod. I decided to disassemble, check that rod was not broken and repostition before proceeding.

Unable to get unit apart - wedged. bent tubing trying.

Now I have to rebuild power pickup assembly.

-Duff

Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #861 on: January 02, 2008, 09:59:40 PM »
Hi duff,
You are a pure guy, but I was there too and I have rebuild for the same reason at least five times till I finally found out that as long as you dont have a short between the rod and the pipe it makes no difference. you can easely check this with a DVM set for check continuity.
good luck
greetigns
walt


I've had a setback -

Everything was assembled in pyramid - grounds, secodary capacitior, etc and was getting ready to inject saltwater solution when I noticed one of my endcaps had shifted outward a couple of mm. Don't know when it happened but as a result I uncertain of the condition/position of carbon rod. I decided to disassemble, check that rod was not broken and repostition before proceeding.

Unable to get unit apart - wedged. bent tubing trying.

Now I have to rebuild power pickup assembly.

-Duff


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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #862 on: January 03, 2008, 03:08:32 AM »
Hi duff,
You are a pure guy, but I was there too and I have rebuild for the same reason at least five times till I finally found out that as long as you dont have a short between the rod and the pipe it makes no difference. you can easely check this with a DVM set for check continuity.
good luck
greetigns
walt

Walter,

DVM would not help in this case - no salt solution was installed.

Actually I was going to correct the alignment anyway and if the rod was broken I would have taken care of it also.

I see where the problem is now with the copper fittings. There in no real stop in there. If you push hard it just keeps going up into the joint. It affects you tube lengths as well depending on how hard you set the tube.

I'm looking for copper set screw to fix that mess...

Something I thought was interesting when I unwound the coil. Out of curiosity I measured the length. It was 100 centimeters. So TT made the coil length the same length as the base & sides.


-Duff

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #863 on: January 03, 2008, 04:35:02 AM »
@all,

when are you going to figure out that you don't have the information neccessary for any replications of tt, until he finishes, something anything.  look back and take a serious look at what you have.  what a possible frame with alot of unanswered questions about that or at least several ambiguos answers as if no real thought was put into answering any questions except with "you guys are super and doing great, yes" , that must be it this time guys, so whatever you do don't try anything else because you might piss tt off and he will never come back.  START THINKING OF SOME REAL EXPERIMENTS YOU MIGHT DO WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT WHAT TT THINKS!!!!!!  JEEZ!!! WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?

lol
sam









Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #864 on: January 03, 2008, 10:57:12 AM »
Hi duff,
Hm I never have seen copper fitiings without a stop here in the US except come continious couplings and I work with them pretty much every other day. do you use the same size fittings like the pipes?
the DVM was ment for checking if the rods create a short against the pipes.
greetings
walt

Hi duff,
You are a pure guy, but I was there too and I have rebuild for the same reason at least five times till I finally found out that as long as you dont have a short between the rod and the pipe it makes no difference. you can easely check this with a DVM set for check continuity.
good luck
greetigns
walt

Walter,

DVM would not help in this case - no salt solution was installed.

Actually I was going to correct the alignment anyway and if the rod was broken I would have taken care of it also.

I see where the problem is now with the copper fittings. There in no real stop in there. If you push hard it just keeps going up into the joint. It affects you tube lengths as well depending on how hard you set the tube.

I'm looking for copper set screw to fix that mess...

Something I thought was interesting when I unwound the coil. Out of curiosity I measured the length. It was 100 centimeters. So TT made the coil length the same length as the base & sides.


-Duff

« Last Edit: January 03, 2008, 11:17:35 AM by Walter Hofmann »

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #865 on: January 03, 2008, 11:15:26 AM »
Hi all,
this is for the guys who took TT's whitepaper to the point and did not get anythings.
I told you guys that I had some output with my old setup ( charging a booster cap up to 0.845V) then some discovered that my coils was wound both in the same direction and they ment this is the reason that there comes not more out. actually what was happen I had made a couple coils some with CW and some with CCW and as I did assemble the unit I grabed two of the same without realising this. now I took the unit appart and put the right one in it and I tell you there was nothing not even a pip ( only 0.003V). then yesterday I put the old one back and it started right a way climbing in voltage all the way to 0.400V.
this shows to me that again something is wrong with TT's white paper. I also had put in the big capacitor which after TT was there only to increase the output.
But there is another story during the etsts I also did connect a 33 ohm resistor between the positive and the pyramide frame and what was happening is that the DVM showed that instead to climbe as negative voltage it did run to 0 but then it starts climbing in popsitive up to 0.390V . I did not trust this DVM and took another one - the same result this was strange.
I still could not figure out why the DVM shows negative instead like TT described should be positive. there is no AC ( only 0.003V)
just to avoid more question my pyramid is sitting now on my other workshop concrete floor exactly in North and three sides coverd with rigips ( like In TT's video shown).
the other part is if I ground the pyramide frame ether with the house ground or a seperate 8 feet grounding pool driven 8 feet deep in to the ground the voltage goes right down to 0.09V.
Like I mentioned before TT said that he did only for security ground the pyramide frame I believe he was concerned that maybe a high voltage spike could acure.
maybe my expireience helps some of you.
greetings
walt

Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #866 on: January 03, 2008, 11:39:20 AM »
Hi sam,
you are damne right. I dont think that TT doesnt come back because some of us do more experiementing on ther own, he probably has some other reason.
what is also a point is that because there are no information about output value, or picture or video from the V 6 or V12 and the description are not complete ( I see it more as a hint) what should be replicated and compared? the only where are the info in regards  to value picture and video was is available is the V4 but for this there are no detailed data they are everybodys guess.
I personaly do my experiements further till I find or not what we all looking for.
greetigns
walt


@all,

when are you going to figure out that you don't have the information neccessary for any replications of tt, until he finishes, something anything.  look back and take a serious look at what you have.  what a possible frame with alot of unanswered questions about that or at least several ambiguos answers as if no real thought was put into answering any questions except with "you guys are super and doing great, yes" , that must be it this time guys, so whatever you do don't try anything else because you might piss tt off and he will never come back.  START THINKING OF SOME REAL EXPERIMENTS YOU MIGHT DO WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT WHAT TT THINKS!!!!!!  JEEZ!!! WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?

lol
sam










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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #867 on: January 03, 2008, 03:49:39 PM »
...setback ...
...rebuild ...

@duff
Very sorry to hear about that. But since you are rebuilding:
Did you realize in skizze2 (converter):
the connection to the left (short) graphite rod in the copper-T is indicated with a very thin short piece of wire (thin pencil line), whereas the connection to the right (long) rod is indicated as a very fat line.

Since you are such a perfectionist
;-)
thought I'd mention it.
I will alter my setup accordingly.

@Walter
I also experience negative and positive and flipping potentials in reference to ground, depending on if and where I connect to ground. But very erratic and hard to replicate and to make sense of.
I still have not got any "tension" above 300 mV, yet.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #868 on: January 03, 2008, 08:25:35 PM »
Just an observation from an armchair observer... (sorry for not building but resources prevent it)
Regarding the quote below:
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Thomas states:
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The energy pick-up tubing must now completely (however loosely!) filled with quartz sand

This is my personal opinion and it may be WRONG.

When he said completely, I believe he meant all the way to the top of the entire U-shaped structure including the top horizontal piece.

Why - because look at the construction steps that were laid out.
   1. Install left graphite rod
   2. Install left 2.5 mm (#10 wire) coil
   3. Install right graphite rod
   4. Bore fill holes for salt water solution
   5. Install right coil
   6. Install capacitor
   7. Hang unit in center of pyramid
   8. Fill with sand

Assumption: So he must have created small fill holes and allowed the sand to trickle in like an hour glass.

If this is true he has no way to determine the level until it is completely full.
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-Duff

The way I read this, is that the converter is built first and positioned in the pyramid before ANY sand is added to the unit.  If this is the case, then there is no guarantee that the bottom of the ushape is filled with loose sand. There may be a void there in the middle at the bottom of the U shape when the left and right sides are filled with sand. (not counting what ever sand spills into the bottom from the sides being filled)

Again, this is just what is jumping out at me as a non-builder.

Nut

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #869 on: January 03, 2008, 08:43:18 PM »
Not sure if any of you have seen this recent video on YouTube:

The Physics of Crystals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfbobxXuu0g

You will hear in this promotion some experimental work that was done with zinc inside a pyramid.

His pyramid turned his zinc into calcium powder.

One clue may be what frequency the pyramid you are using (angles) is set to.

For instance, some believe that the angles of the Cheops Pyramid is set to resonate at 32,768 khz (limestone/calcium)

Maybe try to use a calcium type of battery with the addition of a smaller pyramid in each corner as mentioned in the above video.

Lets make this an electrifying year!

IndianaBoys