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magpower

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #720 on: December 24, 2007, 02:40:31 AM »
I added more photos so you can all look at. I have a capacitor meter and the center one measured 1300pf and the other one came to 35pf. I used magnet wire around tubes CW and CCW direction and 9 turns. The only thing that might not be right is used 5mm by 2mm pencil. Did not use graphic rods yet and might try when I can find some.

But anyhow put the water/salt solution in and got 30mv AC reading as shown in pictures. When I did slowly rotate sometimes it would go to 40mv. I give it a good shot and not really happy with such a low output.

Maybe Thomas can look at my setup and explain whats wrong. Mean while I will raise and lower U tube and try to find better output. So I really need help.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #721 on: December 24, 2007, 03:41:57 AM »
But anyhow put the water/salt solution in and got 30mv AC reading as shown in pictures. When I did slowly rotate sometimes it would go to 40mv. I give it a good shot and not really happy with such a low output.

Its a start, a very good start, and atleast you have something producing current.  Good job.  From the photos it looks very nice and clean.  How much pressure did you use to twist the plastic screw sandwiching the copper plates?  Maybe those graphite axles used for rc cars could work?  I have some and they are real graphite, but I don't know if that could work.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #722 on: December 24, 2007, 03:51:15 AM »
Thanks, but its very tight and if you backed off a little then got 900pf reading, so one can adjust the reading. Tonight its dropped to 23mv now. Not good I guess. Also used 8 layers of paper for 1mm gap. Building this took some time! and lots of coin

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #723 on: December 24, 2007, 03:59:33 AM »
Magpower,

Nice work  - though it's not exactly to TT specs.

I hope you see some results anyway - it would make for a nice Christmas present...


Have you tried slowly tuning your 2 plate capacitor - by making small adjustments and waiting an hour or so before adjusting again?

I am still working on my main cap but in the process measured the capacitance between two plates 1mm apart (air dielectric). It measured 43pf,  so 10 plates should be close to 430pf.

You stated your main capacitor was 1300pf. It looks like you have a solid dielectric between the plates rather than air.

If you don't get any results perhaps you could try disconnecting some of the plates and lowering the capacitance and try again.


TT emphasizes: "The pyramid must be grounded very well!"

How are you grounding the frame?


-Duff

magpower

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #724 on: December 24, 2007, 04:41:14 AM »
Duff

Thats something we don't really know for sure air or solid dielectric for the caps. I did back off on the screw and have set to 940pf right now. I used paper to keep plates flat. I will adjust it slowly each day and watch for changes. The only thing that I haven't used is 2mm graphic rods, but using pencil, I thought I would see a volt or so. I think if everyone trys something a little different we might get it. As for ground using my house ground. One thing I did notice if I bring my hand close to center cap the meter jumps up to 150mv or more, but did not touch it, so seems its picking up something. On DC I get nothing?

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #725 on: December 24, 2007, 05:16:12 AM »
Duff

Thats something we don't really know for sure air or solid dielectric for the caps. I did back off on the screw and have set to 940pf right now. I used paper to keep plates flat. I will adjust it slowly each day and watch for changes. The only thing that I haven't used is 2mm graphic rods, but using pencil, I thought I would see a volt or so. I think if everyone trys something a little different we might get it. As for ground using my house ground. One thing I did notice if I bring my hand close to center cap the meter jumps up to 150mv or more, but did not touch it, so seems its picking up something. On DC I get nothing?

Sorry but I believe TT specifies an air dielectric.

Perhaps our German friends confirm this from sketch 3:
jeweil 1mm Plotten LUFT

Google translates as: Jeweil 1mm plotting - distance air


I don't know what your background is so excuse me if this is something that your are already aware of. Grounds can be a complex thing and there are  specs that need to be met before a ground actually qualifies as a ground, especially in electronic labs. Even hams go to great lengths sometimes to build good grounding systems.

Where am I going with this? Well this may be something that we are glossing over and it could be that the ground is what is going to make this thing work or not...

Happy Holidays!

Chad

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #726 on: December 24, 2007, 06:40:22 AM »
guys dont think that the gypsum plasterboard could be the key here?.
It seems odd to me that this is to be used in favour of metals, but then
it might just make sence because gypsum plasterboard contains radioactive
materials like "Radium" wich decays into "Radon gas".

There seems to be 2 types of gypsum used in boards, one is natural gypsum
and the other is phospho-gypsum, the latter having the most radio active material
even more than granite!.

I dont think that boards in the USA contain phospho-gypsum, but they do in europe, uk, australia and japan.

Just thought id throw this in there as it may help you guys.

http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q25.html
http://www.zerowasteamerica.org/Phospho-Gypsum.htm

chad.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #727 on: December 24, 2007, 07:06:27 AM »
In the Video TT posted two years ago, the fan he was using as load was running with one side of the pyramid being uncovered.

Yes, but TT said this year that the presentation that he did two years ago was kind of set up, including the part with the small magnet. I don?t believe that the pyramid works only with three gypsum sides, thus not achieving resonance conditions.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #728 on: December 24, 2007, 10:16:58 AM »
@Magpower,

Congratulations!
A very good shot indeed! Frustration fully understable too. Mine grows since 03Dec.

One question, though: Is the ac voltage surely coming from the core or from the pyramid? I?m asking because I have on ground a small 50Hz signal of 50-70mV at all times due to power lines (interference and surges). As small as it may be, 30mV can mean something if generated from the setup. But I couldn?t see it either.

@ all
After over a month, I?m close to put an end to this story which smells bad as every day passes. Not many materials (200-300Euros maybe) but the work that I?ve put in various trials was enormous. And given the Christmas holiday season, this was bad. (Is this a kind of habit around holidays? Remember Mike?s story/fake in the end 2006?). I?ll post several thoughts during the next days but for now, I?d like to hear opinions on the following quote: 'My "friends" at overunity.com kicked me out, and very strange things happened there too...?'- http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project/message/7 Tom, pyratom99.
What is he talking about?! What kind of strange things?! And, more importantly, who kicked him out?! I doubt this was the case?

Many thanks,
Tinu

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #729 on: December 24, 2007, 10:37:49 AM »
Hi guys,
Sharing my results. Last night finished converter see pic. After injecting saltwater, rods against copper frame gives each about 0.3V (this morning left 0.31 right 0.34). Placing it inside and measuring rods against pyr frame gives less than 1mV DC. Tried various heights and positions. Waited 1 hour until battery in DVM died. This morning measured AC this gives about 0.1V TrueRMS 50Hz. I could not find relation to the pyramide frame. Placing converter outside gives actually more ~0.14V TrueRMS also 50Hz. Connecting pyr frame to the socket ground gives more voltage ~0.14AC TrueRMS (with converter inside) but voltage is much less stable with frequncies 350-400Hz.

@walter
Also in my case no drop of water came of the second hole. Seems all goes up vertical tubing. Probably surface bonding of water molecules prevents it to leak from small 2mm hole. Maybe his had bigger diameter.

I would not call it success less than 1mV basically nothing and measuring AC gives me clearly induced 50Hz socket frequency. I'll play with it further hope to find time to place gypsum boards if family allows on this special day.

greets,
MT

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #730 on: December 24, 2007, 11:05:30 AM »
I have been following this topic for a long time now and I just had a thought.  I am working over at the earth batteries topic and have achieved 1.8 vdc from just two electrodes placed in the earth.  Seems to be more than this device thus far.  But, what if I were to place a pyramid shape over my electrodes?  Would my volts go up?  I have a 5 foot spacing between electrodes at this point so the pyramid would be fairly large.  What do you guys think?  Worth trying?  There IS something to the pyramid shape with out any doubt.  Why or what is anyone's guess.  I have read a lot about this phenomenon and all says basically the same.  What this device is calling for speaks of galvanic action and so does the earth batteries but, as in this case as well, there is much more than just that going on.  Keep up all of your great efforts here.  If there is anything to this I know you guys will figure it out.  Merry Christmas to all.

Bill

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #731 on: December 24, 2007, 11:15:49 AM »
If you get only AC voltage, especially 50 Hz (or 60 Hz in the US) then this is not a pyramid effect, but comes from the power lines. As i did some experiments (even without a converter) i got up to 450 mV only by connecting the multimeter's ground to the pyramid and leaving the other measurement cable lying around on the floor (the pyramid frame was not grounded). With a high-impedance digital multimeter, you can pick up quite high voltages just out of the air...

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #732 on: December 24, 2007, 11:34:33 AM »
Duff

Thats something we don't really know for sure air or solid dielectric for the caps. I did back off on the screw and have set to 940pf right now. I used paper to keep plates flat. I will adjust it slowly each day and watch for changes. The only thing that I haven't used is 2mm graphic rods, but using pencil, I thought I would see a volt or so. I think if everyone trys something a little different we might get it. As for ground using my house ground. One thing I did notice if I bring my hand close to center cap the meter jumps up to 150mv or more, but did not touch it, so seems its picking up something. On DC I get nothing?

Sorry but I believe TT specifies an air dielectric.

Perhaps our German friends confirm this from sketch 3:
jeweil 1mm Plotten LUFT

Google translates as: Jeweil 1mm plotting - distance air

 

jeweils 1mm Plattenabstand 

in each case 1 mm of record distance  (plate to plate)

LUFT = Air between the plates.

not use dielectricums !

Pese

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #733 on: December 24, 2007, 11:40:19 AM »
Hi all,

I wishe you and yours a merry christmess and maybe some pyramide light would be nice.

greetings
walt

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #734 on: December 24, 2007, 11:46:28 AM »
Hi MT,
I only measure DC and just for control I switch short to AC but nothing on AC just DC. I did not connect the pyramide frame to the ground jet. I will use a seperate ground rod outside any building to avoid influence.
after TT's explanation the voltage should start rising within a feww minutes you dont have to wait hours if nothing happen in the first 10 minutes.
greetings
walt

Hi guys,
Sharing my results. Last night finished converter see pic. After injecting saltwater, rods against copper frame gives each about 0.3V (this morning left 0.31 right 0.34). Placing it inside and measuring rods against pyr frame gives less than 1mV DC. Tried various heights and positions. Waited 1 hour until battery in DVM died. This morning measured AC this gives about 0.1V TrueRMS 50Hz. I could not find relation to the pyramide frame. Placing converter outside gives actually more ~0.14V TrueRMS also 50Hz. Connecting pyr frame to the socket ground gives more voltage ~0.14AC TrueRMS (with converter inside) but voltage is much less stable with frequncies 350-400Hz.

@walter
Also in my case no drop of water came of the second hole. Seems all goes up vertical tubing. Probably surface bonding of water molecules prevents it to leak from small 2mm hole. Maybe his had bigger diameter.

I would not call it success less than 1mV basically nothing and measuring AC gives me clearly induced 50Hz socket frequency. I'll play with it further hope to find time to place gypsum boards if family allows on this special day.

greets,
MT