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Author Topic: First electrical power output from a Pyramid  (Read 459627 times)

Offline fritz

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #225 on: November 23, 2007, 03:18:14 PM »
1. The internal circuit is "hanging" in one point only(A), that is not a closed circuit!This looks like a microwave generator!!!
2. The calculated oscillation frequency of the LC assembly is around 8MHz.
3. Extremely strange for a DC source ( as it really is): The "shunt resistance" of the Voltage generator is "Infinite" !!! We "collect" the power from the 25x140mm capacitor! Never heard before , but... it works!
Conclusion : ? ( By now!)

If microwaves are involved (f > 1GHz) - the whole assembly would operate
different as it looks. (From microwave point of view this is no 8 MHz LC)
The coil would be an antenna - the "open system" argument would be of no
meaning,  you wouldnt identify the pulsed DC because of high frequency,
the microwaves would be recified by similar effects as with a crystal detector.

I think the reason (if we expect microwave involved) for THIS cap is that normal
caps not ment to be used with microwaves dont perform here.
rgds,


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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #225 on: November 23, 2007, 03:18:14 PM »

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #226 on: November 23, 2007, 03:34:42 PM »
@fritz,
Thanks for your special attention you paid to my posting here,
I'm proud for the fact that by my input we finally understood how to built the electric circuit.
OK!
No microwaves behaviour, also because it looks like the osc. frecv. should be around 8MHz( easy to calculate the Llegt-CCentral-Lright circuit frecq.).
I'm a great doubt:
Question for Thomas:
How did he thought the two graphite-quartsand-watersalt parts of his system?
Did he thought it as an oscillator, or maybe at a "first impulse voltage source" ?
This could help very much, even if ( see my drawing corrected definitely by courtesy of Stefan!) the oscillator is "hanging" in a one point( E- as stefan named ) !
I'm very tempted to go back to study ALL the Tesla's theory.
I repeat for all of us: He managed to "switch on " an electric bulb using only a wire!!!
Regarding my "fine tuning " method to optimize the internal filling with salt-water, unfortunately I had no feed-back from you. Except Thomas .
Please , ammend this my understanding:
Did he say this ?:
1. Prepare a mixture SAND+WATER(5%SALT).
2. Fill TOTTALY the internal of copper tubing.
3. Wait for the excess water to get out by means of the two bores
( the two bares are HOWEVER 2MM UNDER THE END OF GRAPHITE RODS)
Please Thomas to confirm if he'll have 10 seconds to read this.
Tigrotto


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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #227 on: November 23, 2007, 07:24:44 PM »
@tigrotto: Fill in the sand DRY!
Then make a mixture of Water+ 5%salt and press it in the left hole. If the first drop comes out on the right, stop!!
Wait 20-30 Minutes, and turn the Pyramide slowly into north.. and enjoy the Result. ;D

ATTENTION: It?s normal, that the pyramide will start with small energy, becaus there is shurely to much saltwater inside.
Give the pyramide time (sometimes more than 60 Minutes.. the energy will increase from minute to minute.

Recalibrate the pyramide?s northing after another 60 Minutes, and don?t touch the setup anymore.
Dont forget, to give the pyramide ALL TIMES some shunt, and don?t let the contacts open.
(The voltage increases incredible, and the whole effect stalls.)
If this is happening, turn the pyramide out of the north, install some shunt (user) and turn it back to north.
Do this slowly with the eyes on the Multimeter :-)

It?s not necessary to keep a Kompass, because you can see north on the Multimeter.

@all: Sorry for my angry words a little bit above: There are some guys nerving me, they tell me wonderful results, but they won?t have anything to do with this community. (This are all fools here)
I am happy to stay her as fool in a community full of fools  ;D
because i don?t know theyr Nicknames, i can?t report these guys to stefan, but i can block them in my website.
(if it is ready soon) you don?t know how to do this? (blocking IP-Groups and Maildomains would help greatly)

@REQUEST TO ALL (of the fools here:-)
Is anybody still in Construction? Is anybody willing to give us reports?
It would be nice, to give me that kind of Message, because i spent also a lot of time for you  :-*

Nice greetings, Tom

PS. Website should be Ready this weekend. Please dont register, because we will change the script !!!


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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #227 on: November 23, 2007, 07:24:44 PM »
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #228 on: November 23, 2007, 07:52:42 PM »
@REQUEST TO ALL (of the fools here:-)
Is anybody still in Construction? Is anybody willing to give us reports?
It would be nice, to give me that kind of Message, because i spent also a lot of time for you  :-*


Hi Thomas

Do not worried we have all been called worse names than fools  ;D

I will wait for V14 when all the details are released before I start replicating.

Regards

Sean.


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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #229 on: November 23, 2007, 07:57:07 PM »
@Thomas,
My special thanks for your valuable support here!
I'd like to have the "privilege " as to be the first guy here replicating your pyramide and... finally posting results! I did some great steps ahead in understanding the setup, helping by you, Thomas.
Last 4 confirmations I ask you:
1. The frame is made of "square section rod"? You taked in your document of V6 about 20mmx20mm: looks like a square section!!! Or maybe PIPE (TUBE) of 20mm diameter??? Important or not, please decide and let me know!
2. Definitely: The lowest side of graphite rods are to be 2mm ABOVE the hole of the copper tube, IS THIS TRUE ??? Thanks for your filling method!
3. You said no words about the DISTANCE between the two plates 25mmx140mm of the capacitor!
Is this 1mm??? Please, confirm!
4. The pyramide lateral surface: ONLY Gypsum-paper boards???? Did you tried COPPER or STEEL? It's far much easier to built it in metal!
Thanks and waiting for your answer I remain!



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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #229 on: November 23, 2007, 07:57:07 PM »
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #230 on: November 23, 2007, 08:14:30 PM »
Can anyone please explain what is meant by a 5% salt slution. Does this mean 95 parts water to 5 parts salt. Are these"parts" measured by weight or by volume? Let us not use ambiguous terms that can lead to confusion and misunderstanding. And to failed replications. Also let us all be patient and kind to each other in our efforts.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #231 on: November 23, 2007, 08:24:46 PM »
We should be really thankful to Thomas for his kindness to share his knowledge with us. This is a proof that he loves the world actually, even if he thinks that the world is mean  :)
Danke Thomas!

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #232 on: November 23, 2007, 08:53:51 PM »
@Thomas
Hi Thomas,
I decided to go parallel vith V6 replication and next week together with all our friends, for V14.
Please, replay to me 4 above questions.
Let's summarize them here:
1. The frame is made of "square section rod"? You taked in your document of V6 about 20mmx20mm: looks like a square section!!! Or maybe PIPE (TUBE) of 20mm diameter??? Important or not, please decide and let me know!
2. Definitely: The lowest side of graphite rods are to be 2mm ABOVE the hole of the copper tube, IS THIS TRUE  Thanks for your filling method!
3. You said no words about the DISTANCE between the two plates 25mmx140mm of the capacitor!
Is this 1mm??? Please, confirm!
4. The pyramide lateral surface: ONLY Gypsum-paper boards? Did you tried COPPER or STEEL? It's far much easier to built it in metal!
Beyond these, there are a 5 th important one , you didn't mention :
5. What is the length of the winding coils: diameter 2.5cm, 9 coils, but the total length=???
You can place them very close one to the other or very...large.
We deal with an inductance, depending upon the length of the all 9 coils!!!
I don't want to bother you, but here we are: there are missing informations.
I'm a physicist , an experimentator. when we didn't understand a phenomena, we don't know what are those details to be neglected.
Otherwise, a failure.
This is what i propose to you and to all of our friends:
After I'll receive these 5 answer for which I thank you so much in anticipation,
I'll prepare a checking list containing ALL the informations , but ALL of them you need to replicate V6.
The nice part will come now: I'll prepare a table where we divide these details in : important and ...less important.
An examples:
Quartzsand model: you tried 40 , all of them working , as you said, but none of them not working. This is an example of a detail not very important : the model of quartzsand!
I don't make public this checking list untill I'll not have your supervision and more of this...your approuval, I'm waiting for.
Thanks ,
Dr. Ovidiu (Tigrotto)

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #233 on: November 23, 2007, 09:16:14 PM »
Tigrotto is rightly concerned with what is important and what is not.Do not forget to add to your list the question about how exactly to mix the salt solution, see my post earlier today. Imagine spending much time to build the device and ii fails due to wrong salt solution.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #233 on: November 23, 2007, 09:16:14 PM »
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #234 on: November 23, 2007, 09:39:14 PM »
@ Thomas and all
I prepared the list ( it's basically the english transaltion made by Stefan), where I inserted ALL the comments!
I'm waiting for Thomas approuval to send this to Thomas
Thanks,
Tigrotto

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #235 on: November 23, 2007, 10:29:28 PM »
@Thomas,
I decided to post for you this attached file:
The Translation German-English for V6 building instruction , made by Stefan, where I inserted in BLUE the comments where some information are still missing.
Please, take a look and if you agree, instert the answers!
Then, I'll complete the drawing with ALL these missing informations for completness.
As much our friends here are fully informed as much we'll understand these phenomena replicated by many people.
If , in turn , these informations are missing , you'll have "troubles" because, instead of people replicate the pyramid, they'll ask you again and again.
However,
I'll be one of them replicating also V6.
I'll keep you informed. See attached for the missing informations.
Thank you,
Dr. Ovidiu (Tigrotto)

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
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« Reply #236 on: November 24, 2007, 07:47:39 AM »
Hello friends:
I have to give you some very important Informations about the future of TPP.
In our ONLINE Step by step Construction we should built the V12 ! because the plans for the V14 are maybe unstable.
So it could be, that we get some troubles with V14, and we will get bad words, if there is not the wanted function in a fast way.
(It?s to dangerous to get critics if we make something  unproved)

With our V12, we dont have the problem of misfunctions, and after the construction, we can speak about my changes for V14.
But now it is extremly important to show you something really working.

On the other side, the V6 shows you that the system is working proper, and so i will ask you as constructors, whats more interesting. You can decide it here, if you want to built the V12 or the V14.


I received the questions from Dr. Ovidiu (Tigrotto) and i want to give you the answered Document here on file. Now i hope, that the last questions about V6 are cleared. It is the best way to built the pyramide, and then you can try the different setups in a easy way.
(That?s why all my Pyramides looks very unprofessional :-)  But every Pyramide gets ugly, if you destruct, reconstruct, and solder for a few times :-)

A special question runs about the lenght of the wire used for the coils. Well, the lenght is not that goal (i know about the different capacitys, if you change the lenght, but believe, for our project it?s not necessary (but i don?t know why...)

Here is the hopefully finished "Whitebook for V6"

The Trawoeger, Hartmann, Ovidiu White Paper 
Pyramid Building guidance

Building guidance: pyramid with 100cm side length!
It sounds rather simple, but the basic dimensions of the pyramid do not play an important role.
Only 2 factors are important:
1. The ground shape of the pyramid must be absolutely square.
2.The length of the pyramid upper corner rods must be the same as the base quadrat square rod lengths. So all frame rods are 100 cm long !

I use for the side rods of the pyramid for the construction of the pyramid steel pipes (20x20mm).
Squares! Tubes are very complicated to construct, so we use the cheap one vith 2mm thickness
which are optimized with gypsum-paper boards( plates).
We tryed different Materials, but gypsum-paper boards worked best!
(Without these gypsum-paper boards( plates) the adjustment of the pyramid is very difficult)
Plates made of aluminum or other metals do not function.Plates from plastic do not function.

At the pyramid point for measuring purposes a plumb bob is hung up, and calculated afterwards the geometrical center of all the sides ofthe pyramid. (intersection of all surfaces in their centers -see sketch 1) .To find this exact center of all the pyramid sides is the only difficult task in setting it all up.

The pyramid must be grounded very well !(measuring position must be grounded and ground must be connected to the frame for all further measurements!)

The structure of the energy pick-up circuit is described in sketch 2.
From copper tubing approx. 12mm in diameter EXTERNAL Diamater
we are hardsoldering a "U"-shaped body.
2 pieces of T-fittings are fitted to this body at the top side.
On the upper section of this construction a small latch for attachment is hard soldered to the copper pipe.(3) and the whole body is hung with a non conductive cord in such a way into the pyramid that the pyramid center is exactly in the center of the energy pick-up capacitor.

At the left side of the Tube approx. a 90 mm long Graphiterod is in such a manner inserted that it is put centrically into the pipe and has no contact to the pipe.
(NOTE! The rod must be free hanging and must not be fixed down there at the bottom... !)

Now wind 9 turns of isolated copperwire 2.5 mm diameter to a coil winding. (inside diameter about 25mm) Thats not doumented, because it doesn?t matter ! and let the free end run downward.

On the opposite side put likewise a graphiterod (2-3mm diameter pencil rod) freely hanging into the tube. (length of the graphiterod a bit longer e.g. 95mm):
Is this extremely important that the length of the right side rod (95mm as you said ) be a little bit more then the left side(90mm, see above)?????? ? YES!

Bore at the right side a small hole approx. 2mm diameter into the copper tube. This hole must be somewhat more below than the Graphiterod`s end !!! (distance at least 2mm) . At the left side also approx. a 2mm hole is bored (also here somewhat more below than the Graphiterod?s end !
So that the Left  side hole is about 5mm above the right side hole ( because the right side rod is 95mm length and the left side rod is 90mm) ( 95mm-90mm=5mm) .?????? ?YES!!

At the right side a coil moving in opposite directions with 9 turns (2.5 mm cu) is installed.
Did you mean that the ?moving directions? of the two symmetric coils are exactly opposite one respect to the other? --YES

In sketch 3 the condenser is explained!
The condenser is to stand accurately with its center in the absolute center of the pyramid.
 The energy pick-up tubing must now completely (however loosely!) filled with quartz sand (.g. finest desert sand or filtersand for pools).
NOTE! When filling it is to be made certain that the electrodes (Graphiterods) do not get in contact with the copperpipes (test with Ohmmeter) 

Now hang the energy pick-up tubing in such a way into the pyramid that the condenser hangs exactly in the center of the pyramid!
Do not set up the pyramid yet for this procedure into Noth South direction!!!!!
Now with a one-way syringe inject saltwater (approx. 5%) into the left lower hole, until the first drop comes out at the right hole.
SLOWLY inject saltwater until the Graphite rods are standing with their lower ends in the saltwater-sand solution.
Sketch 4 shows, in which angle the energy pick-up tubing is to be connected to the pyramid, and how the pyramid is adjusted to north-south alignment.

A small plate capacitor (approx. 25x 140 mm):you forgott to mention the distance between the plates:this give the capacity and is important!  YES. It?s very important, and you have to fix the distance for each pyramide specially. In most cases, you need a distance between 4-7 mm.where only the plus pole is going through  ( what does it mean?????) ? It means, that one pole is connected with the Center, and one Pole is connected with the pyramide itself!!and the negative pole comes from the pyramid frame can multiply the power output of the pyramid.
This must be placed diagonally downward running in the angle of approx. 40 ? right-angled
to the pyramid at the energy pick-up tubing.
From this capacitor also the real output power of the pyramid power takes place. (EXIT!)
(Note: The negative pole must be connected from the pyramid frame to this capacitor
to the other capacitor plate.)

Adjustment of the noth-south alignment:
Connect a voltmeter to the output and turn the pyramid slowly .
As soon as the pyramid shows the highest voltage tension. (open circuit voltage approx.. 19 V) the direction aligment fits.
Possible sources of error:
Too much saltwater: --- Simply , wait one hour until it has run out enough.
Too low volume of saltwater: - - - Inject more saltwater until it drops out of the right hole.
graphite rod to electrode contact: ---check before installation with an Ohmmeter, that this is not the case.
Further possibilities: ------Condenser short-circuit (test it before assembly)
Pyramid does not generate power: -----Change Location, try it outdoors.

English Translation by Stefan Hartmann for www.overunity.com
Edited by Dr. Ovidiu and Thomas Trawoeger

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #237 on: November 24, 2007, 07:59:09 AM »
EXTRA INFO:
It can be, that i?m a little bit in silence till Monday morning. This is because i am busy in a Fair till Sunday evening.
So don?t worry about me ;D
we will hear us latest on monday morning, and the website should be ready for this time too.

My website could be down for this time too   :P   - FINAL RECONSTRUCTION TIME -

Till Monday we will decide to built the right TPP


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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #238 on: November 24, 2007, 08:30:14 AM »
Well done Thomas!

I vote that we do the v12, because as you said yourself, there will be no problems to built a completely working v12 because you know all the pieces very well!

The v14 is new, and there might be some modifications or changes that need to take place to make v14 be the best it can be, and so this might lead to potential problems and 'bad words' from people.

So, I vote that we all build the v12 together, because it has now been established as a working model by you! Once many have good replications, then a v14 can come...

I want to say Thomas: I can't THANK YOU ENOUGH for doing all of this, I am very happy to be a part of this momentous occasion. You are spending a lot of time and effort in this project and I fully appreciate everything you are doing for us!!!


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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #239 on: November 24, 2007, 08:56:10 AM »
@ Thomas,
Thanks Thomas for the fact that you understood and followed my request.
Pretty complete, I'll built also V6, as I said.
I'll vote for V12: the surest is the best.
At the beginning of our research work we need to built something "reliable".
God bless you and your family!
Dr. Ovidiu (Tigrotto)

 

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