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Author Topic: First electrical power output from a Pyramid  (Read 440051 times)

Offline NickZ

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1050 on: June 25, 2010, 11:40:44 PM »
  Jeanna:
  If you have any pictures of that conical pancake coil, with the toroid on its back, that would be great to see. Sounds like an interesting design.  It does remind me that I had thought the same thing concerning the pyramid, I thought if the same electricity can be made with just the coils, why use such a big pyramid.
  I am starting to see that there is something to the conical, sphere, dome shape, and even the pyramid shape,  as they might all act as resonant secondary coils. But,  causing a reflected negative implosion of the pulse, due to the cone, dome, sphere, containing the pulse, and mirroring it back as feed-back to some degree. 
     

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1051 on: June 26, 2010, 01:02:45 AM »
  Jeanna:
  If you have any pictures of that conical pancake coil, with the toroid on its back, that would be great to see.

Well Nick,
This is just a screenshot from the youtube video.
I am not finding it here on "ubu", which means it is on the mac.
So, you will see the 2 colors of mag wire which I wound bifilar on the paper cone.
The toroid hat is stretching from the breadboard to stay atop the cone,

The cone is about 2 inches tall.
I think I described how I made it in enough detail before, so here goes...

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1052 on: June 26, 2010, 06:25:23 PM »
  Jeanna:
   Thanks for the picture,  hard to see it though, main thing is that it works.
   I have a question:
   Do you think a big toroid coil (20 pounder),and with an upscaled JT type circuit, useing a 12v DC battery, and self charging, would produce ALOT more punch?
   In other words what do you forsee is the maximum potecial of the JT? Can the possible union of the TPU- JT ever work out?
Or are we barking up the wrong tree?  As it looks like the direction some people are going towards.  Like me, maybe, but,  I'm not just trying to light my Christmas Tree. 
  Pirate gave us his honest opinion, but I'd also like to hear yours.  As I have some hope that there can be more to it, especially with a simple circuit that practicaly anybody can build.
 
   Can there be more to a JT than just the changing of lower volts into higher voltage along with high frequency, but at the expence of current?  Since it can be done with almost dead batteries.
So, where is the extra juice coming from?  Who is doing the math?  The above explanation doesn't seem to cover it.   
    -Joule Thief-  implies that Joules are is being stolen, and,  maybe,  are being sucked-in out of thin air.
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1053 on: June 27, 2010, 12:12:03 AM »
Nick,
I am going to look for some still I might have made when I made that video, so I can show lee.
I want to describe what I saw, because it fits with the comments Peter Grandics made on the rex website article.
I made a conical shaped bifilar coil to append to the "secondary" of a joule thief circuit.
It is basically a pancake coil pulled down into a cone shape.

I connected the end of one wire to the beginning of the other wire as you do with a pancake coil.
I got low to moderate results.
But then, I put the toroid onto the tip of the cone and it took off.

So, when it was working it looked like the wardencliff tower in shape and proportions.

OK?
@ jeanna
Will be looking for your video and will go down the local V.A. medical center next week (Mon.) to see the other videos.

@ NickZ
A patent to take off power, as a tap, in a Tesla coil arrangement, was issued:

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat7053576.pdf

http://www.google.com/patents?id=4Nh3AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

I dislike the potential risk of high voltage research, but it has the potential to be a winner in the race to OU.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1054 on: June 28, 2010, 02:47:51 AM »
  @ Lee:
     Please check my earlier post made at the Magnetization Vector thread on OU, today,  sort of fits in.
   I have read the patents in your links.  Thanks for posting them.
   Please read -Intrigers- post today on UFO Propulsion, as they seam related also.  John Keely worked on many types of
Aether technologies, as well as related Mind technologies.
  Maybe,  the very reason that we don't advance faster in the electricity production field, is because it is so related to other secret and possibly dangerous fields.  Like Galactic Space and Time Travel, Stargate type Demodulation - Remodulation Machines, mas production of food and water products, and anything else - out of thin air.  Using only the Energy from the dense solution of Space to create not just electricity, but anything else needed.   

  There can also be a very real connection to the Great Pyramids, ET's, Multidimensional Space Vehicles. 
  It's no wonder why information, that could change our lives for the better, has been supressed, especially in the last 100 years or so. 
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1055 on: June 28, 2010, 09:29:27 PM »
  @ Lee:
     Please check my earlier post made at the Magnetization Vector thread on OU, today,  sort of fits in.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9214.msg246822#new  ,  Reply #3

Does this help in understanding?
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/images4/PCT-PAGES/1988/221988/88007673/88007673.pdf

An understanding of calculus may be(?) needed (as John Banner of Hogan's heroes fame would say, "I know nothing!  Nothing!!" about calculus) to gain full appreciation of this concept.

The concept itself may be understandable by me when I look at the drawing in the foreign patent application.  The correct phase of magnetic field might affect power output in an OU system.  Something in my mind can relate to what you're saying, I believe.

I do agree Tesla had this applied concept down pat when he was alive.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1056 on: June 30, 2010, 02:19:59 AM »
  Jeanna:
   Thanks for the picture,  hard to see it though, main thing is that it works.
   I have a question:
   Do you think a big toroid coil (20 pounder),and with an upscaled JT type circuit, useing a 12v DC battery, and self charging, would produce ALOT more punch?
   In other words what do you forsee is the maximum potecial of the JT? Can the possible union of the TPU- JT ever work out?
Or are we barking up the wrong tree?  As it looks like the direction some people are going towards.  Like me, maybe, but,  I'm not just trying to light my Christmas Tree. 
  Pirate gave us his honest opinion, but I'd also like to hear yours.  As I have some hope that there can be more to it, especially with a simple circuit that practicaly anybody can build.
 
   Can there be more to a JT than just the changing of lower volts into higher voltage along with high frequency, but at the expence of current?  Since it can be done with almost dead batteries.
So, where is the extra juice coming from?  Who is doing the math?  The above explanation doesn't seem to cover it.   
    -Joule Thief-  implies that Joules are is being stolen, and,  maybe,  are being sucked-in out of thin air.
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First,
Yes, I do think this can be scaled up.
But mostly, I am afraid that if I am the only person dedicated to figuring out what to do with the spikes then we will not get very far.
I put it out before many times, but more people are having fun making spikes in new and novel ways than want to work out how to make them produce.

The joule thief name refers to taking joules from already useless batteries. It is not really stealing any thing. I like the radiant theory but I have no reason to think we are making this happen. We can do what seems impossible, but I do not believe we have found the key.

What I have learned in the 3 years I have been doing this, is that we waste so much of the current from the battery that we need to figure out a way to recapture it and resend it through the circuit.
I have made some successful attempts to " toss" the joules back and forth across the secondary wires to reuse them, but much more can be done.
When there are very few joules to toss, the frequency of tossing must be very high.
Gadgetmall captured what he was not using in a boost cap and came very close to unity.
When you do this well, it looks like overunity because of our low expectations.

One of the things a pyramid shape does well is that it stimulates static (high voltage) charge by sitting still on the earth and letting the earth "run into it" as it turns on its axis. This is why it is free.
If people can hold the focus to work out how to make charge do work, then we will have it.
Charge is what electricity is made of, and if there is enough push AKA volts then the charge can do work.


I think that the series inductor added to the toroid is what is making more seem to be coming from the circuit.
In my studies with the 2 secondaries, it was the series inductor that gave me the unexpected extra results.
In the case of the conical inductor which uses the repeating effect of the toroid for its magnetic pulses, the results look very promising.
I think the conical inductor is self tuning, and so it will not be necessary to adjust it for peak performance.

OK those are my thoughts.
They are tamed down to what I think is possible.
I am delighted to think that others might want to move the pulses to a higher level.

thank you,

jeanna

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1057 on: June 30, 2010, 07:38:06 AM »
Try reading the previous 68 pages.  Everything you want to know is there.

Bill

You know, more often than not I hear this...   What you want to know has already been mentioned.

In this case it's a good thing that it's been written down, but on the other hand, what if it were said, spoken or otherwise.  Fashionably late would be fashionably ignorant.

I think it wise to summarize every once in a while.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1058 on: July 01, 2010, 03:54:35 AM »
  Jeanna:
   It's good to hear that you think that the JT circuit is upscaleable. That was my point.  Whether the energy comes from the remainder of used up battery or not, may not be that important ultimately, so long as power can be made, and a secondary attached.   
   IST has mentioned trying a JT  connected to a single AAA battery, further hooked-up to a florescent ballast, then to a toroid.  But there has been no video on that one yet.
  I've noticed that there are several different sizes of ballasts, for 20 watt tubes, 40 watt, and so on. Sounds like an interesting next step, but I don't want to blow the transistors. He states to put a rectifier on the primary to harvest the higher voltage, off of that. Any ways, it all sounds good, but theres been no updates on that yet. And I don't know if anybody else has tried that yet.
   I'll try a coil on top of my 6 foot copper pyramid one of these days,  it would be important to know more about the whole circuit though.   
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1059 on: July 01, 2010, 05:02:13 AM »
  Jeanna:
   It's good to hear that you think that the JT circuit is upscaleable. That was my point.  Whether the energy comes from the remainder of used up battery or not, may not be that important ultimately, so long as power can be made, and a secondary attached.   
   IST has mentioned trying a JT  connected to a single AAA battery, further hooked-up to a florescent ballast, then to a toroid.  But there has been no video on that one yet.
  I've noticed that there are several different sizes of ballasts, for 20 watt tubes, 40 watt, and so on. Sounds like an interesting next step, but I don't want to blow the transistors. He states to put a rectifier on the primary to harvest the higher voltage, off of that. Any ways, it all sounds good, but theres been no updates on that yet. And I don't know if anybody else has tried that yet.
   I'll try a coil on top of my 6 foot copper pyramid one of these days,  it would be important to know more about the whole circuit though.   
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To light a tube, or tubes, you do not need a ballast when using the JT circuit.  You can light them from a single AA battery, or, like I did, from an EER out in the ground.

Bill             (PS  IST has been banned form this forum for violating the terms of service multiple times so he won't be posting)

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1060 on: July 01, 2010, 07:26:43 AM »

  I've noticed that there are several different sizes of ballasts, for 20 watt tubes, 40 watt,
.....
   I'll try a coil on top of my 6 foot copper pyramid one of these days,  it would be important to know more about the whole circuit though.   
                     NZ

Hi Nick,
I have been told that the ballasts are all radioactive. It is this radioactivity that fires up the fluorescent bulb.
Sorry. I am not interested.
the newer cfls all have toroids in them to replace what the radioactive ballasts used to do to start up the lights.

I forget if you have a joule thief circuit you can use.??
I hope you do.
I would love to see how your pyramid plus a conical secondary does.

Peter grandics said the conical part only needs to be about 4 inches tall. That is great news. The 2 inch one I made was hard to make and 4 inches would be possible. I would not want to have to make a 6 foot one!
I can imagine a joule thief circuit inside and the toroid on the top connected through to the conical secondary. I also want to try this on a bigger one.

Anyway,
I am glad to see there is still interest here.

thank you,

jeanna

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1061 on: July 01, 2010, 08:09:25 AM »
 @Pirate & All:
    The guy that posted the Dual JT connected to 15 pound toroid is doing something like what comes to my mind.  But, he has not updated any more results or info on it though,  that I know of.
    Lidmotor- has got an CFL lighting up plus his device is self charging, and self running.  He is using an ignition coil to fire his CFL.  That looks like free energy from a close loop to me.
If his ignition coil, the two 12v batteries and the beafed-up JT are not neccesary,  why use them?  If an CFL could be light with a 1.5 volt AA and only the Joule thief.  But, since the more volts you start with the higher the output power,  there is a relationship there. But, it's not about lighting just one CFL.
12v is 8 times more input than the 1.5v battery can give, and therefore can possibly give that many times higher output. 
  A joule thief connected to a pyramid might also be able to raise a small insignificant voltage to highter output power,  for free.
I'm into trying that too, as I already have the Pyramid and can give that a try with out any mayor expence. But it is big and clunky, and is it worth it for a volt ot two?  Maybe with a big toroid on top it might work alot better,  like Jeanna says.
  The idea of using a 12v battery (or two in series for 24v), a JT, and ignition coil, ballast, or a Tv flyback, is to get much more power from the little JT circuit than if it were just running by itself.
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1062 on: July 01, 2010, 08:14:09 AM »
I have been told that the ballasts are all radioactive. It is this radioactivity that fires up the fluorescent bulb.

whomever told you that is misinformed.
http://home.howstuffworks.com/fluorescent-lamp6.htm

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #1063 on: July 01, 2010, 09:14:14 AM »
   @ Jeanna and All:
   Thanks for the info on the radioactivity.. . I sure didn't know that.
    I checked at a local electronics parts stores and they had some 2N2222 transistors, diode, resistor, leds, but I didn't know if that was the best way to go on the JT. They didn't have the 2N3055 but there may be something similar that can be located here to make a beefier JT,  or like the Clive circuit.
  Any ideas are welcome.

 
                                                 
 

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« Reply #1064 on: July 01, 2010, 09:40:40 AM »
NickZ:

I can't really simplify the JT circuit because, as of now, there are many.  Basically, it works by raising the volts and the frequency and pulling the remaining juice from a "dead" battery that many folks toss out when their electronics equipment tell them it is "dead".  This is why some of my JT videos speak of "free energy" or "free light".

My friends give me all of their "dead" batteries and I, like many others in our research group, can light a bunch of stuff for many, many hours or days with them.

I would suggest reading at least some of the huge JT topic or at least skim it.

Then, as Jeanna would most likely say, start by building the BJT.  (Basic JT circuit.)  This uses the 2N3904 transistor and a ferrite toroid and a bifilar winding and a 1K resistor.

Then you can graduate to the more complex circuits like the Jeanna Circuit.  This is at least 3 separate windings on one toroid such as the base coil, the collector coil, and the pick-up coil.  Then you will see that you can add several more pick-up coils and you can light even more lights from that, AND, your amp draw will not go up and in some cases, it might even drop. (which can't happen from what they teach us)

Things that we have found that can light from these circuits are cfl's (of which I am not a fan) floro tubes, and of course, leds.  We have no amps in this circuit but we have found that to do some things, you don't need them like we were taught we did.

Most basic example:  A typical regular , run of the mill LED (Not over size or ultra bright) will require around 3.5 volts and at least 20 mA's to light.  So now, our group has shown that we can light hundreds of them from a single AA battery, at 1.5 volts or less, usually less as they are "dead".

The leds are flashing as we are using pulsed dc, or ac, and our eyes can't tell because the hz is around 25k for an average JT. (The lights in your house in the US flash on/off at 60hz)

Anyway, check over at the JT topic and if you need any help at all, you will find many folks ready, willing and able to do so.

It is a fun circuit and I do not believe that any one single person knows all there is to know about it.

Bill

 

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