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Title: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: rensseak on January 17, 2006, 08:19:10 AM
http://waterpoweredcar.com/nz/60minutes_NZ_TV3_10_17_05.wmv? - about 43 MB

found in http://waterpoweredcar.com/nz.html


regards
rensseak

Title: Re: New inventer of a Watercar (eng.) and power from a Pyramid (ger.)
Post by: hartiberlin on January 18, 2006, 11:28:38 PM
Here is the website of Steve Ryan

http://www.biosmeanslife.com/ (http://www.biosmeanslife.com/)

Too bad he did not yet publish the way he modifies
his water.
Maybe something simular as the new Linnard Griffin
watersplitting process ?

It seems he makes some special electrolysis, where the
water is just a bit splitted and the hydrogen still
is in the H2O solution stored somehow and
then maybe in a modified ignition engine burned.

Look here for a motor that also runs purely on water mist
just via a powerful sparkplug system:

http://waterpoweredcar.com/1978camero.html (http://waterpoweredcar.com/1978camero.html)

I guess it is better to split the topics and post followups
about the pyramidelectrical power output in a seperate thread.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: New inventer of a Watercar (eng.)
Post by: Big on January 23, 2006, 08:49:30 PM
Here are questions concerning the possibility of a scam with water fuel, and particularly the motorcycle video.

First, why is everyone using carburetors when no auto manufacturer uses them any more?  My automotive experience tells me that the only reason for some sort of fuel delivery system is for the sake of fuel delivery tailored to the type of fuel.  If one is not using a fuel that needs atomization, then they should directly inject the fuel into the combustion chamber.  Simple, and easier to control.

Second, why is everyone using an existing vehicle as a test bed.  I liked the idea of the dune buggy because there are less places to hide anything.  If one truly wants to eliminate any negative issues, one must be open.  The best idea is a frame, a seat, and the drive train.  While one may hide the proprietary details, he must clearly eliminate any possible alternative fuel source.  There cannot be a fuel tank.  There cannot be a separate creation of the fuel from somewhere else.  It must be done in the vehicle by only filling a clear tank with water.  The creation mechanism must be in the vehicle.

Third, there is no way that the water fuel will cause the emissions test to show carbon if none was used, unless the guy is adding a great deal of oil to the crankcase every day.  That can be confirmed by independent testing.

These scam artists are not nuts, they are simply very crafty individuals.  We need to be smarter.  They cannot be allowed to corrupt the real research being done by many others.  We need to require all to adhere to rigid standards of conduct and product presentation.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on October 11, 2006, 12:15:54 AM
Hi All,
now we know, how it works !
Walter Hofmann has just found out,
that one can store hydroxy gas inside water !

If you make an electrolysis and run the produced hydroxy gas
through water or just use the water, where you made the electrolysis,
then some hydroxy gas is just stored inside this water !

You can also see it in the Byronnewenergy.com
video,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2385750951725931938&q=Byron+New+Energy (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2385750951725931938&q=Byron+New+Energy)

where they fill up a balloon with some precharged hydroxy gas containing water
and then pump up the ballon with their mouth with some air
and this puts air pressure onto the water, which releases some hydroxy
and then when they light the balloon,
the water burns on the surface for a few seconds !

The same Walter Hofmann just did and it also exploded his ballon !

This seems to be also the same process as Steve Ryan is using !
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:BiosFuel (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:BiosFuel)

Although he seems to produce the hydroxy gas inside his water
probably in a different way in his special made tank...

Maybe he just uses special metals something like
Chemalloy dust powder in his tank...which also
can split water into pure hydrogen and oxygen
or something simular like Linnard Griffin?s redox process...

At least we now know, that hydroxy can be stored inside water
and that opens up a save way to store hydroxy fuel just inside
plain normal water !

Great new finding !
Many thanks to Walter to have verified it !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Kator01 on October 11, 2006, 01:38:26 AM
Hi Stephan,

can you give Info where Walter has described this store-process. I have problems with this google-videos. I never managed to open one video there.
 Can you give some hint what version of realPlayer works for most formats. I have the version 10, but it permanently fails on .AVI, or has codex-errors etc.  I do want some reliable Player.

Thank you

Kator

Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on October 11, 2006, 01:47:23 AM
Walter just tried it with hydroxy gas charged water in a balloon
and the balloon exploded when lighted !

Youn can look at this:
http://waterpoweredcar.com/nz/60minutes_NZ_TV3_10_17_05.wmv

and the youtube video needs a current macromedia flash player, look here:

http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&promoid=BIOW (http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&promoid=BIOW)
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Walter Hofmann on October 11, 2006, 11:43:35 AM
Hi Kator,
the store process is nothing special right now I just used the electrolyte from my hydroxy cells but which havent powerd for 2 to 3 weeks standing on my bench with open outlet. I did realise that there is some hydroxy in it still after this long time sitting on the bench as I try to find out if a little waterpump whould pull a vacuum or if it whould pull water too. I connected the little pump to the bubbler and because I couldnt close 1 inlet to the bubbler I used the cell connected to the bubbler like I sayd no power to the cell and to my surprise the pump did pull bubbles out of the cell for about 3 to 5 minutes. this means to me there is some hydroxy still trapped in the electrolyte or water what can easely be removed and like the test with the ballon shows mixed with lots of air I guess about 200 to 500 times it can be used.
If it is true that the water in the bubbler what is just plain water where the hydroxy did bubble through, shows the same results, then a mist blown in a engine together with lots of air could theorethical power a engine, I will find out.
greetings
walt


Hi Stephan,

can you give Info where Walter has described this store-process. I have problems with this google-videos. I never managed to open one video there.
 Can you give some hint what version of realPlayer works for most formats. I have the version 10, but it permanently fails on .AVI, or has codex-errors etc.  I do want some reliable Player.

Thank you

Kator


Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on October 11, 2006, 11:58:07 AM
Hi All,
Walter is right !
It is an amazing idea to store the hydroxy gas just inside plain water !

This is must be the effect Steven Ryan with his waterbike
and also Byronnewenergy are using !

It is amazing !
Just boil normal tap or destilled water until all air
is gone out of the water.
Then let it cool down without shaking too much and
then do an electrolysis in it so the produced hydroxy will
also go "into solution" in the water itsself.

Then this hydroxy gas charged water can be used to power
IC engine motors !

As oxygen can be stored in aquariumwater by bubbling air through it,
also hydroxy gas can be stored in water !

I wonder, what will happen, if you freeze this water then to ice ?
Will the hydroxy gas then also still be stored in it ?

Maybe it can then detonate when initial detonation charges are placed
into the ice ?

Well, but maybe then in ice form the hydroxy gas
stays longer in the water and does not diffuse so fast out of it ?

So this would be a very interesting and cheap technology to store
energy in water and transport it, whereever you need it !

Many thanks to Walter for verifying these ideas !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on October 11, 2006, 12:44:42 PM
Here:
http://www.biosmeanslife.com/products.html
they stated it, that they use Hydrogen stored in Water:

"Bio Fuels for combustion applications and ultimately complete conversion
to Hydrogen Enriched Water for all energy requirements."

So it is clear, they just put hydrogen
into the water.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on October 11, 2006, 12:53:02 PM
I can now imagine,
how I am going to buy 3 liters of hydroxygas enriched
ice and put it into my graphite powder fuelcell and
use the molten ice to power my flat via the fuelcell.

It should be possible to just change the water from
the graphite rods inside the selfmade
fuelcell and have new power then again...!
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: pese on October 11, 2006, 01:48:10 PM
... and if this baloon contain "whit spirits" = piritus , ethanol enz.
thatcan be mixed with wather ...?

this will also "burn" with a BLUE flame.


(Only to think about that possibility

P
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Walter Hofmann on October 11, 2006, 10:47:37 PM
Hi all
I did not have much time today, but i did a few short test with a ballon ( every test one sure) I used 10ml of water from the bubbler where i did run last time two days ago put it in a ballon blow the ballon up to the size of 6 inch with the compressor ( by the way I tested the size of the ballon how much water it whould push out of a gallon it did push around 3 liter ) then ignited the thing it did just explode like a normal ballon whould and the pieces flow away, then i used 10 ml of electrolyte from a standing cell blow the ballon up the same way and ignited it the boom was much louder but the ballon was not blown in pieces just raptured and did not flow away just fall of the ground. I probably should have used more electrolyte because my camera did not realy catch the flame. Now I need more ballon's. then I will try it again with more electrolyte maybe 50ml and also will use bubbler water after I used them.
Another curious thing was as I try to heat the pvc hose to fit over the ballone connector it gave a boom because there was probably same hydroxy still in it even that the hose was not used today and I believed it whould have evaporated. But it did not explode it did implode means the short blue flame run inside the hose for about 4 inches and di no damage.
OK this was the results from today.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Kator01 on October 12, 2006, 12:59:56 AM
Hello Walter.

this is quite interesting. As you certainly know water stores many gases. I have a biologist from the EX-DDR, he runs a german website called

http://www.dichtes-wasser.de/ (http://www.dichtes-wasser.de/). I had many discussion upon his dicovery of the dense-water.

He told me how to drive out gases in the most effective way : Supersonic sound.
Boiling water for 20 minutes has the same results but you need much more energy and the necessary cooling-down-process must be done very fast. So Supersonic-sound is most effective.

So you prepare the tap-water first by supersonic-sound-treatment at room-temperature. Do not use hot water with a transducer it gets wrecked !

What you need is a 60 to 100 Watt - Transducer and treat it fo 15 minutes or so.

Before you do the treatment you measure the ph-value of the water. For normal tap-water here in germany for example it should be 7.
After the sound-treatment ph-value can rise up to a maximum of 11 because oxygen and especially the acid-making carbondioxid is completly gone. This is just to make sure the gases are gone.

Then you do your electrolysis and try your test again but do not use Supersonic-waves to drive the hydroxid out that would be dangerous- for sure

Ok thats it. By the way what kind of cell do you use ? Do you have detailed info on this ?
There are really some interesting discoveries happening right now. In the meanwhile I will contact Mr. Ausgustin for better ideas. I think we can optimize the storage-capacity for example by doing the electrolysis under pressure- that is the gas is forced to go into storage-position like Co2 is stored in water under pressure, which is standard-technique.

I have to find out more about it


Regards and good luck Walter .

Kator01
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on October 12, 2006, 04:42:04 AM
Hi Kator, ultrasonic transducer to release the air out of the water and pressure to put more hydroxy into it, is a good idea. But be cautious of too much pressure, as this makes hydroxy to explode faster. you can run the bubbler hose deeper into the water, which then the water in the electrolysiscell needs more pressure to overcome the water height to press the gas through.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: mikestocks2006 on October 12, 2006, 05:23:35 AM
I came across this recently form a fellow named Patrick Kelly? yahoo groups watercar
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/sK8tRViMMPvF8TGRVyacxqIRTF33ajBE90ba6kMPTR5Yz4c3b1rDSsKhSe_gws2LbktlQVMCn0G2vFFoOVhCnmfSBPx6Zp_Y-WLhOA/D16.pdf

Claims over 300 litter per min gas production from the "water splitter" not "electrolyser"
using pulse dc wave 90% on 10% off over 40Khz, avg draw 10 amps from the car charging 12 V battery system

Some nice detailed schematics I'll try to upload the PDF it self just in case the above link cannot be reached.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: pese on October 12, 2006, 07:43:58 AM
This is HHO

same as Brown , Rodiges or othe named sources

can produced as scematics  als with DC

The link that i guve 4 day vefore from India
that produce from 12VDC in Car Brown-Gas
additionally to Gasoline carbuator sourced all
frome same idea
Pese
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: buzneg on October 12, 2006, 08:07:58 AM
I tryed what you posted Stefan, but it didn't work for me, I don't have the best equiptment but here's what I did.
-I boiled water for about 18 min, half of the water boiled out of the pot.
-before it stopped boiling I scooped some out with a shot glass, put plastic wrap around it and put it in the freezer
-I also took a metal spoon of hot water out and used my electrolisis on it, 2 9volt batteries connected end-to-end.
-did that for about 3mins, it got full of rust from my wire.
-tryed to light it with a cigarret and then a match, nothing
-tryed 2 other variations with shot glasses, one was partly iced, and I used aluminum this time, and let it electrolize for 10 mins, didn't work either.

before I go out and spend $50 did anybody get this to work or do they have a video? I would think your working on it now. thanks for sharing your info. this is almost as good as overunity, if it really works. ;)
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Kator01 on October 12, 2006, 11:48:55 AM
Stephan,

I did don claim that the H-storage-capacity is increased wihtin water by supersonic-sound-treatment. It is simply the most effective way to release all gases.

Can someone explain me the difference between the process of normal electrolysis and Brown-Gas-Electrolysis
or fetch a link here ?

Thank you
Kator
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: mikestocks2006 on October 13, 2006, 04:32:47 AM

.....
Can someone explain me the difference between the process of normal electrolysis and Brown-Gas-Electrolysis
or fetch a link here ?

Thank you
Kator

Kator
Good question.
 I've been looking into that some time ago, buy nothing too specific to Brown Gas, however I came across this interesting replicating experiment, where the author uses straight 110 VAC rectified to power 60 cells in series, with no appreciable heat generation and good volumes. Maybe it is the rectified "sine" wave (120 pulses per second) at 60Hz straight out of the wall that does it?
 "At 15 amps and 125 VAC (2.1 VDC X 60 cells = 125 VDC) that is bridge rectified
to DC, a series connected design can be plugged right into the wall without a
transformer.  This would have maximum power input of 1,875 watts.  And for
even higher gas generation, 220 VAC could be used with 110 separate cells in
series."
and
" One theory is it could
be due to the DC pulsing action (120 pulses/sec.) of the full wave bridge
rectifier of the 60 hertz AC waveform to the electrodes.  There could be a
'best pulse' rate, and this is an area still to be explored."
http://www.textfiles.com/bbs/KEELYNET/ENERGY/watergas.asc

Standard electrolysis involves a steady state DC source as opposed to the above?

Also this maybe of interest, for H2O reactant- reaction possibilities on the combustion side, I'd assume Brown's gas is somewhere in there reaction side.

Equilibrium Constants
The equilibrium constants can be related to the Gibbs free energy of the individual reactions. The reaction mechanism that we will be using is provided as
2 O + M <=> O2 + M     {M= AR:0.83 H2:2.4 H2O:15.4}
O + H + M <=> OH + M     {M= AR:0.7 H2:2 H2O:6}
O + H2 <=> H + OH
O + HO2 <=> OH + O2
O + H2O2 <=> OH + HO2
H + 2 O2 <=> HO2 + O2
H + O2 + H2O <=> HO2 + H2O
H + O2 + AR <=> HO2 + AR
H + O2 <=> O + OH
2 H + M <=> H2 + M     {M=AR:0.63 H2:0 H2O:0}
2 H + H2 <=> 2 H2
2 H + H2O <=> H2 + H2O
H + OH + M <=> H2O + M     {M=AR:0.38 H2:0.73 H2O:3.65}
H + HO2 <=> O + H2O
H + HO2 <=> O2 + H2
H + HO2 <=> 2 OH
H + H2O2 <=> HO2 + H2
H + H2O2 <=> OH + H2O
OH + H2 <=> H + H2O
2 OH (+ M) <=> H2O2 (+ M)      {M=AR:0.7 H2:2 H2O:6}
2 OH <=> O + H2O
OH + HO2 <=> O2 + H2O
OH + H2O2 <=> HO2 + H2O
OH + H2O2 <=> HO2 + H2O
2 HO2 <=> O2 + H2O2
2 HO2 <=> O2 + H2O2
OH + HO2 <=> O2 + H2O
http://wb.olin.edu/thermo/h2o2.shtml

I hope this helps.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Kator01 on October 13, 2006, 08:22:11 PM
Hello mikestocks2006,

thank you very much. This is a very helpfull information, especially that of Mike Randall.

Try to get new information of this Mr. Randall.

Kator01

Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Kator01 on October 14, 2006, 12:22:55 AM
milestocks2006,

can you please place here the D14.Pdf-File whis is named in this D16.Pdf Document ?

Thank you

Kator
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: buzneg on October 14, 2006, 06:37:50 AM
very interesting stuff, can someone please reconfirm that HHO gas can be stored in water, so I have more confidence next time I test it.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: mikestocks2006 on October 16, 2006, 04:58:02 AM
milestocks2006,

can you please place here the D14.Pdf-File whis is named in this D16.Pdf Document ?

Thank you

Kator
Hi Kator

To get Dave Lawton's "D14.pdf" file as referred to in the D16.pdf document, from Patrick Keely's reply:
"Patrick Kelly <captpjk@...> wrote:
Hi Xxxx,
The document is in the 'Files' section under the name "MeyerRep.pdf". A slightly
more detailed version is at www.web-space.tv/free-energy (needs the browser
Refresh button to get past a German-language advertisement page to reach the
site) under the name "D14.pdf".

I'll upload the MeyerRep.pdf which is also one of the best descriptions and building instructions of Meyer's Cell and drive, including the alternator powering the unit. It maybe the same alternator shown in his videos. I think th videos were posted in this forum before somewhere.

In either case is the claims of over 300 litters (I think 340 was the actual number) per min using 10 amps and 12 VDC input are proven, it is a nice volume!

File attached MeyerRep.pdf
I hope this helps


Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Kator01 on October 16, 2006, 01:24:36 PM
mikestocks2006,,

thank your for your efforts.
I already had this link but not this MeyersRep.Pdf

Kator
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: pese on October 16, 2006, 08:17:31 PM
Can be loaded without "advertisings" direct way as:
http://www.web-space.tv/free-energy/D16.pdf
etc.
Pese
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on October 20, 2006, 04:25:20 AM
Here is the D16 PDF attached to this posting.
I had to rename it to D_16.PDF cause it was uploaded
somehow already in the Attachment folder...

Enjoy ! It is pretty interesting !

Regards, Stefan.
(P.S: You must be logged into the forum to view or
download it.)
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: FreeEnergy on October 20, 2006, 04:46:31 AM
Here is the D16 PDF attached to this posting.
I had to rename it to D_16.PDF cause it was uploaded
somehow already in the Attachment folder...

Enjoy ! It is pretty interesting !

Regards, Stefan.
(P.S: You must be logged into the forum to view or
download it.)

reminds me of http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6138516845020080722
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on October 20, 2006, 04:48:48 AM
Hi All,
I also tried to charge up 2 glasses of
1. tap water
and
2. saltwater

with some stainless steel dishcleaner metal wool.

I used 2 drinking glasses filled with hot water,
after I had cooked the water for 10 minutes and
all the air bubles have went out.

Then I first put some stainless steel dishcleaner metal wool
into every glas and filled it up with the hot water.
Then I added a wet saltwater paperbridge
between the 2 glasses and applied 12 Volts chopped
from a car battery charger unit.
As almost no current was drawn from the charger,
I replaced the wet saltwater bridge
between the 2 water glasses with an aluminium foil,
and now about 1 to 2 amps were flowing, depending
on the amount of salt in the 2 waterglasses.

Now there was bubbling at the metal wool,
but also at the alufoil and some black slack
was builing up at the anode (+12 Volts)
and some white Aluminiumchlorid or aluminiumhydroxid
was building up at the cathode and alufoil there...

But also hydrogen and oxygen bubbles were created.

Then I removed the metal wool and alufoil and thought,
I might have in one glas more hydrogen bubbles stored inside
the water and in the other glas more oxygen bubbles
stored inside the water....

Then I put in each glas a big graphite rod and measured,
if I would have any voltage between the 2 graphite rods...

but there was only about 0.01 DC voltage.
Before, when I did this with fresh tap water and
with the dry graphite rods, I got at least a 0.05 Volts reading,
probably, cause there was still some difference in the rods,
as I had used them before in other charging experiments...

So this experiment was failure...
But I think now, one has to charge up the water differently with
hydrogen or hydroxy gas...
It seems you really have to do it via a bubbler or also
with some pressure.
As the gas must go down the hose to go through a bubbler hose,
it builds up some pressure in the electrolizer, cause the
height of the water level has a hydrostatic pressure and the
gas pressure of the hydrogen or hydroxy must overcome this
height level hydrostatic pressure to be able to bubble the gas
through the bubbler water, as it must overcome the 20 cm or more deepth
the hose is put down into the water bubbler...

So there must be pressure in the electrolyser to overcome
this hydrostatic pressure and this pressure then also
makes the gas go into the electrolyzer water more easily.
Also if the gas is bubbled through the bubbler water with
fine bubbles like an aquarium stone-bubbler can do, it will
even further go into the bubbler water and be stored there
inside the water...

So I must use next time a different setup to try
to store the pure hydrogen or hydroxy gas
inisde water...
But now I will first concentrate to build an hydroxy gas oven
for the winter time by using a vaccum pump to pump
out the gas from the electrolyzer with vaccuum pressure and
mix it with air and burn it form heating purposes.

As the Magdrive folks have stated, that with the vaccuum of their
car motor their SuperGen pulls hydroxy gas as crazy from the electrolyzer
and the can run their car motor purely on hydroxy gas, I think
this is a valid concept to maybe build on overunity heating oven,
just powered by about 200 to 500 Watts and maybe get even
500 to 1000 Watts heat energy out. We will see...

Regards, Stefan.

Attached is a picture of my 2 glas setup.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: mikestocks2006 on October 20, 2006, 04:49:32 AM
Re: on the attached earlier MeyerRep.pdf

It?s interesting on page #5 that he hooks up the tube pairs, one pair to each one of the 3 phases from the alternator stator coils. Basically driving the water splitter with a direct sine type of wave?
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: buzneg on October 22, 2006, 05:27:17 PM
It would be interesting to know how much air is in standard water, the exact percentage, and how fast does it replenish when exposde to air? hydrogen being light and small must escape from water pritty fast, so it may be a matter of containment.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: buzneg on October 22, 2006, 08:04:32 PM
I wonder how the pop companies put C02 in their product. one things for sure if one doesn't keep a cap on pop it will go flat, so the more presure the better.

things that get air out of water:
-boiling/heat
-vacumme
-stillness, to a less extent

to put air in (HHO), and hold it in
-cool temp
-compression
-mixing

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/webpages/askasci/gen01/gen01419.htm
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: pg46 on October 24, 2006, 05:35:42 PM
Just think outloud...

 I was thinking about the balloon trick with the burning water. Maybe if the water gets enough hydrogen put into it under pressure via a chemical or electrolysis proccess then when one puts a match to it in normal atmospheric pressure it won't burn. But under pressure as in the balloon trick or as in an ICE cylinder only then it will burn or explode.
 If that were the case than how much hydrogen is required in the water in order for it to burn when under compression? It quite brilliant to use simple water as the hydrogen storage medium. Can't get any safer than that.
 I wonder at what point the water is saturated with enough hydrogen?
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: razasunny54 on March 04, 2007, 08:32:25 PM
Hi,

 i think it wudn't b dat hard to store hydroxy gas in water......we can use an electrolysis cell and fill most of it with water so ders not that much air in it....den if we do electrolysis to produce gas......after some time when the pressure is large nuff da gas wud go inside water. we shud do dis for abt 20 min jus so nuff gas is produced in the cell n den most of it goes in the water. Now this water might not ignite under normal conditions....but wen we put it in an internal combustable engine......lets say a 1 cylinder engine, water wud b under pressure which wud force this gas to come out of water n den ignite it.

Thanks
Raza
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 11, 2007, 06:24:23 AM
Hey guys, great posts. 
Here is some information that may help.  The process is called "supersaturation" if you want to learn how to "supersaturate" water with any type of gas.  It our case, pure hydrogen and pure oxygen.  Below is an item that can be shrunk in building your own, and placed in a container and pressurized with the electrolysis process.  I am a shrimp farmer, and know all about aquaculture and supersaturation, or if I do not know, I know where to find out the info. 

Pure oxygen systems are becoming more and more popular in aquaculture, particularly for use in high-density production systems. Pure oxygen offers the advantage of maintaining higher levels of dissolved oxygen over aeration systems. In the case of high intensity aquaculture production, oxygenation is critical in meeting oxygen demands.
The benefits of using pure oxygen in aquaculture are well documented and include higher productivity and healthier fish. When dissolved oxygen levels are high, fish experience less stress, improved feeding, better growth rates, and reduced disease.
Sweetwater? oxygen cones from Aquatic Eco-Systems may be used to supersaturate recirculated water with oxygen. Their simple design makes them easy to install and operate. In fact, once installed the cones are virtually maintenance free.
How Do They Work?
Operation of the cone is simple: as water and gas (either pure oxygen, ozone or other gas) enter from the top at a relatively high velocity, the water shears and moves the bubbles downward. As the cone widens the velocity is reduced. The undissolved bubbles keep returning to the top, so only water without bubbles can exit the bottom. Note that gas transfer efficiencies of up to 100% are possible. At higher pressures, the dissolved oxygen concentration may be increased significantly above saturation. For example, a Sweetwater? cone operating at only 10 psi can deliver water with a dissolved oxygen concentration above 25 mg/l. This is something that is not possible with an aeration system and diffusers, where much of the oxygen will rise to the surface and simply bubble off into the atmosphere.
Sweetwater? cones may be operated at a pressure of up to 21 psi. See the related table for the oxygen transfer rates of Sweetwater? cones operated at various temperatures and pressures.
Oxygen Cone Applications
Sweetwater? oxygen cones may be used with high water pressure in a ?side stream? application where only a portion of the total flow is highly supersaturated with oxygen. This water with high dissolved oxygen levels is then mixed with the main water flow before returning to the grow-out tank. Another method involves the use of cones at low water pressure. This provides excellent control of dissolved oxygen levels where the total water flow is only slightly supersaturated.

In addition to the oxygen cone, there are a few other equipment items required for operation of the system. These include:
? Oxygen supply?pure oxygen may be supplied as compressed gas, liquid oxygen, or from an oxygen generator.
? Oxygen flow meter, pressure gauge, and valve?to check oxygen flow to the cone.
? Oxygen monitoring equipment?to monitor dissolved oxygen levels.
?Water pump, piping, flanges and pipe fittings?required to pressurize the cone.
? Water outlet valve?to regulate the operating pressure within the cone.
?Water pressure gauge?to monitor the water pressure within the cone.
?Air bleed valve, pressure relief valve?to purge gas trapped inside the cone mainly at start-up.
Summary
Oxygen cones are widely used in aquaculture because of their high oxygen transfer efficiency. Sweetwater? oxygen cones are easy to install and simple to operate and maintain. For further information on our Sweetwater? oxygen cones, please contact:
Aquatic Eco-Systems, Inc.
2395 Apopka Blvd.
Apopka, FL 32703
Hours: 8-7 EST (Mon-Thurs), 8-5 EST (Fri), 10-2 EST (Sat)
Telephone: 407-886-3939

Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 11, 2007, 06:52:54 AM
A couple of more simple fact to help you experiment with this idea.  I for one think that it is a novel concept.  Personally, I believe that Ryan used chemistry to add more hydrogen to the water, but perhaps not.

1. Temperature: Oxygen, like all gases, is more soluble at lower temperatures, so generally the colder the water, the more oxygen it can hold!
2. Altitude/ Atmospheric Pressure: The higher the air pressure, the more oxygen that water can hold. Water at sea level can hold more oxygen than water found in a lake in the Cascade Mts. You can see this by pouring a cold soda pop into an open glass. If you let the soda pop sit on the table, you begin to see bubbles leave the pop and enter the air because there is less pressure to keep it in the water. Eventually, the soda pop goes flat.....in other words, it has lost all of its carbonation (carbon dioxide).
3.  The greater the distance (depth) the bubble (hydrogen and Oxygen) the greater the time spent interacting with the water.  1 ft of water, terrible interaction. (enough for a gold fish yes, but not to supersaturate the water.  4 feet depth, better.  10 feet depth, much better.  One could hook the output of your WFC to a fine bubble airstone purchased at any pet store, and place that at the bottom of a 10' lenght of 1" pvc filled with flat or distilled (better) water.  Cap the top and bubble away, keeping the pressure about 20-30 psi.  Do this for about 45 minutes.  Pour your water into a SEALED container and test it.
 
For meaningful interpretation of dissolved oxygen levels two pieces of information are required, the amount of oxygen dissolved in the water sample, measured in mg/L, and the temperature of the stream at the time DO was measured. With these, the perecent saturation of the oxygen in the water can be determined.

Thanks for your continued perserverance!  :)
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 13, 2007, 07:27:13 PM
With some electrolysis cells, if you short out the outer electrical connections,
you are producing hydrogen gas at one electrode.
Depends on the electrode materials and the electrolyte.

So I guess Ryan is really doing an electrolysis inside his can
and produces hydrogen or oxyhydrogen
and as he puts a tight lid on it, there is a pressure buildup
in his electrolysis cell, so the hydrogen or oxyhydrogen goes into solution
into the water.

That seems to be the whole secret of his process.
It is interesting, that the water does notr burn by itsself,
but only when it is compressed and expanded, that then the
gas will pour out of the water and can be ignited in his engine.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 13, 2007, 07:34:46 PM
@btentzer,
do you have experience with these ?

http://www.aquaticeco.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/listings.categories/ssid/399

Is there somewhere a video on the web, how these work ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: pese on April 15, 2007, 04:44:04 PM
link: HHO and more..

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Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 15, 2007, 06:54:50 PM
link: HHO and more..

www.merlib.org

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Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: pese on April 15, 2007, 07:16:33 PM
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Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
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Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 17, 2007, 04:50:48 AM
Hello Stefan.

To answer your question, yes.  It is simply an inverted funnel filled with some type of biomedia normaly, (bits of plastic to break the water up as it falls.  The Gas is bubbled through diffusers on the bottom.  So as the water falls, and the gas rises, = Saturation or even supersaturation. 

The thing that bothers me about the Ryan Bike is two fold.  A) the amount of gas saturating the water could not possibly be enough to run the bikes motor. ie 11000 litres of hydrogen (1 kg) is gallon of gas equivalent. 

Could it be that enough gas was introduced that when the water was misted into his carbarator the high temperature of the trapped gas on combustion (3,000 deg. F) that it caused spontaneous seperation of the hydrogen, oxygen in the water mist to ignite? 

If so, why a small bike and not a car??

I believe that Ryan used a Chemical, probably HCL (muriatic acid).  When Nickel is placed in HCL there is no reation.  But if you leave the Nickel in the HCL and run a wire attached to the Nickel and attach it to a piece of Zinc it will bubble up hydrogen gas.
I have included a link for you to see these experiments I ran across.  http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/JCESoft/CCA/CCA3/MAIN/VOLTAGE/PAGE1.HTM (http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/JCESoft/CCA/CCA3/MAIN/VOLTAGE/PAGE1.HTM)
I think when Ryan connected the wires, he started this hydrogen reaction, under pressure in the sealed box and supersaturated the water with pure hydrogen.  And then misted it into his carb!?!?
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Japanese)
Post by: hanker886 on May 01, 2007, 06:23:30 AM
Here is a Japanese version of water car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1OWDcWoXHs

Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: MarkEngr on May 01, 2007, 05:12:58 PM
Btentzer,

How can he super saturate water with hydrogen that is already in the water? Are there two resevoirs? One for getting hydrogen out of and the other water gets saturated? Kind of like this the electrode is in the top resevoir pumping off the hydrogen that gets collected in the bottom resevoir.


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Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 03, 2007, 04:37:39 AM
I believe that the sealed box that the water is poured into contains a second area of LIQUID (HCL).  It is this second body of HCL that actually gives off the hydrogen when the box is sealed and the wire connected.  This in turn supersaturates the water that he poured into the box.  With the box sealed, and hydrogen being freed in the box, this would in turn raise the pressure within the box, thus supersaturating the water.  If you watch the vid closely, they have to wait a period of time until the process is completed.  (see above links on how I believe the connecting of the wire works)

Below is a little info to understand the supersaturation of water with a gas.

Supersaturated: In referring to solutions, a solution that contains more than the maximum amount of solvent that can normally be dissolved in a given amount of solvent at a given temperature.

Supersaturation
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
?   The term supersaturation refers to a solution that contains more of the dissolved material than could be dissolved by the solvent under normal circumstances. It can also refer to a vapor of a compound that has a higher (partial) pressure than the vapor pressure of that compound.

edit] Preparation
Supersaturated solutions are prepared or result when some condition of a saturated solution is changed, for example temperature, volume (as by evaporation), or pressure.
[edit] Examples
Carbonated water is a supersaturated solution of carbon dioxide gas in water. At the elevated pressure in the bottle, carbon dioxide can dissolve in water more than at atmospheric pressure. At atmospheric pressure, the carbon dioxide gas escapes very slowly from the supersaturated liquid. This process may be accelerated by the presence of nucleation sites within the solution, such as small bubbles, caused by shaking the bottle, or another solute, such as sugar powder or a widget. A Mentos eruption is a rather extreme example. Some beverage products such as ales and stouts e.g. Guinness rely on this effect to produce the 'head' on the surface of the poured product. This has led to the invention of the widget, a device developed to produce enhanced bubble seeding in liquids, especially with dual supersaturated gas phases (carbon dioxide and nitrogen) (see patents by Fitzpatrick and Kuzniarski).
Scuba divers' tissues become supersaturated with breathing gases during a dive. If the diver ascends too fast, these gases form bubbles, resulting in decompression sickness.
In air that is supersaturated with water, water droplets may precipitate upon being disturbed. This can be observed in a cloud chamber. In the more general context a precipitate may form.
Supersaturated solutions of sugar and water are commonly used to make Rock candy.

Regards.

Carbon Dioxide is the 'gas' most frequently dealt with by fish farmers, but the supersaturation of oxygen (pure) in the water can be just as damaging to some species.  Any gas can supersaturate water.  The exact how, down to the molecular level you would need to research out.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: buzneg on May 06, 2007, 02:05:16 AM
Where can I buy these metals that disolve in water to produce H? Magnesium makes H would it be the best bet? Wouldn't want anyother gases to be produced as they might take up space in the water.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 06, 2007, 03:45:34 AM
I believe that Ryan used a Chemical, probably HCL (muriatic acid).  When Nickel is placed in HCL there is no reation.  But if you leave the Nickel in the HCL and run a wire attached to the Nickel and attach it to a piece of Zinc it will bubble up hydrogen gas.
I have included a link for you to see these experiments I ran across. 

http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/JCESoft/CCA/CCA3/MAIN/VOLTAGE/PAGE1.HTM
 (http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/JCESoft/CCA/CCA3/MAIN/VOLTAGE/PAGE1.HTM)
I think when Ryan connected the wires, he started this hydrogen reaction, under pressure in the sealed box and supersaturated the water with pure hydrogen.

I typo'd in my last post.  I believe the other resoivar in the box was HCL (muriatic acid) as I posted at an earlier date. Click the link above to see how I believe it was done.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: pg46 on May 06, 2007, 07:20:31 AM
Hi buzneg-

 One of the easiest methods to produce hydrogen gas is to place some scrap aluminum into water that has some potassium hydroxide(KOH) or some sodium hydroxide(called NaOH, caustic soda or lye). Careful though as the reaction can get very violent and very hot. The hotter it gets the faster the reaction.
 I forget just now but I think that zinc in sulphuric acid will produce some hydrogen gas as well.
 Protect your eyes and skin when fooling around with these chemicals because they are very dangerous if not handled properly!
 btentzer is talking about different methods where two different metals placed in certain solutions and then connected will produce hydrogen. I too believe this is what Ryan has done. Not sure what the solution and metals he uses as there are several variations available I think to produce similar results. I wonder if he is producing just hydrogen gas or both hydrogen and oxygen(hydroxy)? If he is just making hydrogen then I wonder what the oxygen molecule attaches itself to and if that won't gunk up your container after a while requiring some periodic cleaning out?
 Well, what is most important is not how Ryan makes the hydrogen but whether if when water is super saturated with hydrogen, will that water explode when put into the cylinder of an IC engine and fired? That's the main question that needs to be answered.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 08, 2007, 08:57:00 PM

 Well, what is most important is not how Ryan makes the hydrogen but whether if when water is super saturated with hydrogen, will that water explode when put into the cylinder of an IC engine and fired? That's the main question that needs to be answered.

Well spoken!  This is the question that needs to be answered.  Who has a small IC motor they can experiment with?
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: MarkEngr on May 15, 2007, 09:55:00 PM
Would you need to change the timing in the motor or could you simply charge the water and pour it in? I cant remember if they said anything about the mechanics of the bike in the video. I am going to watch it again.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hkyle on May 16, 2007, 06:02:49 AM
Ya know the easiest way to replicate this is to use a Beer machine. Load with water and hookup your cell to the Carb diox port and let bubble and build presure for half hour.
I have one but it will take me a couple of weeks to even think about doing this.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: ekko on August 10, 2007, 12:39:13 AM
 Hello,

 Check this

http://www.h4o.co.jp/e/story/index.php


It seems to be possible to dissolve hydrogen in water.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: ResinRat2 on August 10, 2007, 03:41:30 AM
It almost sounds like you hook up the anode and cathode just like you do in electrolysis (say a tungsten electrode (cathode) and a zinc electrode (anode) connected with a copper wire, in water with a pH of 7.7 and completely sealed (and dark) container and let it sit for a day or so. Then see if the hydrogen has been dissolved. Does it seem that it is as easy as that?

Maybe you do regular high voltage electrolysis in a sealed pressure container?

Wow.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: ekko on August 10, 2007, 09:05:45 AM
Hi,

 I?m not an engineer, and certainly not an chemists, but i was following this topic as a guest from the start and I?m in fact surprised that nobody came up with this information. It seems that this H4O is only  knowed by the Japanese public, and almost not knowed in western media.  So  this information has maybe not much in common with what Steve Ryan is doing,
but its well worth to mention on this forum.

If i got the picture right these guys developed a method to dissolve hydrogen in water with up to 1,5 ppm   (particles per milion), if this could power an internal combustion engine i really don?t now but in a mixture with gasoline it would be worth trying it.
The method they are using is of course not released, but :

What we now is that :  - they are not using electrolysis method
-   they don?t use the stick method
-   they use compression method
-   the water they are using is ph neutral
-   they mention high pressure
-   storage: bonded water must be protected from light rays and must be hold in a oxygen pour environment. 
-   The bonded water is very stable but  producing it is could be  a very dangerous job.

                                     
 What my imagination tells me is:  - the water they are using must be oxygen free and                     very                                        little contaminated (distilled water)       
-   the hydrogen there are using is pure
-   they use a piston in a cylinder to compress the hydrogen into the water
-   the hydrogen before compression has a certain pressure that?s not too low and not too high
-   the cylinder is not reactive with hydrogen
-   the cylinder is well grounded to earth or,
-   the cylinder is maybe charged in a way that bonding is easier
-   without the right knowledge this could be a catastrophe
-   its better to buy fairly the water and test it out in an engine.

I don?t ask anyone to try this out, to be fair I?m not going to try this for myself and risk the danger. I just thought that this belongs to this forum.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: ekko on August 12, 2007, 08:52:43 PM
Hi,

I was thinking to find a way to prevent hydrogen from recombining back to water right after it is been released from water trough processes like electrolysis, chemical reactions, ect.
Oxygen is a quit heavy gas that is found much present at sea level, and less in the mountains Hydrogen is a very light gas that would rise as high as possible when released into the open air, but it wont get very high because ....the most of it could recombine before it reach a certain height, as air contains oxygen and oxygen and hydrogen together ...forms water.
So back to the electrolysis part, as soon as hydrogen is been released  from the water surface it would be pushed away by the heavier air that contains...... oxygen.   
So in a certain way there is a lost of energy before it will be used for the purpose we wants it too serve.
It isn?t easy too get ride of air as it is everywhere, its in every room, inside or lungs or shoes, inside the stereo ect,  it will go everywhere due to the atmospheric pressure.
While thinking i stated that even water contains a certain level of oxygen making it possible for fish to breave, but once it is consumed and not putted back by nature it just isn?t there anymore.
So if we use water  to transport the hydrogen gas through from fuel cell to lets say engine, there is no way we have this energy lost because at a certain stage al the oxygen in the water has become water by combining with hydrogen.
You could say this would be the same in a fuel cell with standing air. Yes it is, but at the point all oxygen is consumed, you still have other gasses like nitrogen that is heavier then hydrogen, so it could hold back the hydrogen from releasing from the water.
Also in this configuration, from the moment the cell is off or even during work , you have that sneaky air that is doing everything to reach the water surface.

In this setup - witch of course isn?t perfect- i  connect the outlet of the fuel cell to the downside of  a closed container with water in it and place the container higher then the fuel cell. The container is full of water so there is no standing air in the system, only water.
There is no water surface to break.
At the moment hydrogen is released freely into the container we open a valve at the bottom of the container to let out the water. The valve has only a narrow opening so no air could penetrate from the outside and only water could go out.
This creates a situation that the container fills itself with hydrogen, pushing the water out of the container. The water that?s going out is the hydrogen that?s ?going in?, so this could give exact measurements of the hydrogen being produced at certain pressure By pulling on the water going out you could bring the system under small vacuum that could maybe improve the hydrogen generation.
And if we need the hydrogen for the purpose we are using it, we tap it from the upside of the container and pump some water back into the container. The pressure of the water pumped in is the pressure of the hydrogen released. If we don?t need much pressure we could use another container placed at higher level and let water going in by atmospheric pressure.
Now we are in a dangerous situation !!
We have hydrogen gas stored  and the cell is still running, there is no electrical separation between the fuel cell and the container because the water could transport current. What now?
Well at this point this could be an issue !!
-We could use  distilled water that is a better insulator then normal water, but this will hold back hydrogen generation in case of electrolysis method.
-We could increase the distance from the cell to the container.
- We could design the system in a way that bubbles raise only one by one and with a certain distance to each other.
 -Ground both the water and the container to earth?
-Store only a safe amount of hydrogen acting as a buffer?? What is a save amount??!!
-Add another bubbler on top and let the hydrogen going true it only when the fuel cell is off -   keep both bubblers electrically separated -.
.
 Maybe this wouldn?t be enough......Feel free to add or correct a few things to this!

To me this is just a mind experiment that could have some little advantage comparing to the usual way, but testing it out is not yet on my list.

Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on August 22, 2007, 01:34:46 AM
Here is a new video of Mark Joyner visiting Steve Ryan and doing tests:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfhacTEcZhE

Also here are quite a few interesting new videos:

http://www.biosfuel.org/videos.html

Here is a discussion forum there:

http://www.markjoyner.name/logs/archives/news/video_man_runs_normal_car_on_water_based_fuel.php


Somebody in the youtube discussion added:

DJCatylist wrote :
"the mixture of metals is coloydal silver, and stainless steel flakes, its pretty common knowledge... "

So it seems these 2 metals just generate Hydrogen from the water and this hydrogen is
then stored under pressure into the water the same as CO2 is stored in water and
gives "selter water", where itcan get out again by heating it or shaking it
( what would be done in a caraburator or fuel injector...)



Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on August 22, 2007, 02:04:26 AM
I would be very much interested into the urine battery and
would like to ask, if anybody knows the 2 metals electrodes Steve Ryan is
using in his urine battery.

In one video he had said, the one mesh like plate is Titanium,
when I remember right, but I can?t find this video anymore.
The other thicker plate what could this be ?
Looks a bit like cement to me,but this would not be conductive...

Would be really interesting to know, if the metals
really don?t use up as it would normally be in a galvanic battery cell.

As he can generate about 1.5 Volts and 0.18 amps short circuit current per cell this
is quite nice...

So what could these electrodes be like ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: buckeyept49 on August 30, 2007, 01:02:57 AM
WOW! try this I did. take a hydro gen with a pressure gage, attached a shut off valve, connect between #1 gen and #1 bubbler. I had to wire my tubbing on, it blew off with preassure. close valve till 10 lb, then open valve a little, my pressure went to 15+ lb before i could get valve open. bubbles like crazy with that back pressure.
 NOW take your tubing from your #1 bubbler connect to #2 hydro gen with a check valve. now connect #2 hydro gen with shut off valve to #2 bubbler. close valve till you reach 10+lb  pressure. open valve a little.M.G. all the bubbles. ONE MORE TIME
take tubing from #2 bubbler with a check valve, connect to #3 hydro gen, connect with a shutoff valve to your#3 bubbler, bring pressure to 10lb open shutoff valve a little on #3 hydro gen, stand back what do you see? BAM bubbler will not hold all bubbles.      do you think with the back pressure some hydrogen was dissolved into the water creating a violent electrolysis at gen #3 which the #3 bubbler could not handle?
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: hartiberlin on November 05, 2007, 06:13:52 AM
This is the latest news from Steve Ryan, I just received it:


Good Afternoon All,

 

As part of the Greenfleet Class of the Panasonic World Solar Challenge 2007 New Zealand company Bios Fuel Corporation has demonstrated what many believe to be the impossible - running a virtually unmodified diesel engine on their H2W+ fuel blend comprising of 40% Water and 60% Waste Mineral oil for 3000 kilometres across the Australian Desert.

 

Please find attached a press release with full information. Also please take the time to visit our website www.biosfuelsolarchallenge.com to view some fantastic imagery and full details on the challenge.

 

For those of you located in NZ there will be a feature on 60 Minutes on TV3 on the NZ entrants into the challenge, also we will place the segment online tomorrow midday for everyone to view.

 

 

Thanks and Kind Regards: The Bios Fuel Team

 

If you do not wish to receive any further email updates from Bios Fuel Ltd please respond to info@biosfuelsolarchallenge.com ?Remove from Database?

 
Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: helmut on November 06, 2007, 12:13:51 AM
WOW! try this I did. take a hydro gen with a pressure gage, attached a shut off valve, connect between #1 gen and #1 bubbler. I had to wire my tubbing on, it blew off with preassure. close valve till 10 lb, then open valve a little, my pressure went to 15+ lb before i could get valve open. bubbles like crazy with that back pressure.
 NOW take your tubing from your #1 bubbler connect to #2 hydro gen with a check valve. now connect #2 hydro gen with shut off valve to #2 bubbler. close valve till you reach 10+lb  pressure. open valve a little.M.G. all the bubbles. ONE MORE TIME
take tubing from #2 bubbler with a check valve, connect to #3 hydro gen, connect with a shutoff valve to your#3 bubbler, bring pressure to 10lb open shutoff valve a little on #3 hydro gen, stand back what do you see? BAM bubbler will not hold all bubbles.      do you think with the back pressure some hydrogen was dissolved into the water creating a violent electrolysis at gen #3 which the #3 bubbler could not handle?

Hi
Can you provide a sketch according to this prossedure?
helmut

Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: silent_Jhenz on October 05, 2009, 08:19:09 AM
I anticipate that oxygen is a abdicate abundant gas that is begin abundant present at sea level, and beneath in the mountains Hydrogen is a actual ablaze gas that would acceleration as top as accessible if appear into the accessible air, but it wont get actual top because ....the a lot of of it could recombine afore it ability a assertive height, as air contains oxygen and oxygen and hydrogen calm ...forms water.




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Title: Re: New inventor of a Watercar (Bike)
Post by: Cloxxki on October 05, 2009, 07:52:55 PM
Interesting idea you've got there, and welcome to the forums!

I wonder why this thread got so few replies, and far-fetched circuits which MIGHT do some trick, or long-disappeared HHO research get hundreds of pages full.