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Title: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on February 24, 2009, 01:13:36 AM
  @ Helmut,
 This is what I've been working on.
 It's pretty simple. If the starting position ( cg ) of a weight is 85cm's, it can roll out to 1 meter.
A line is attached to the lever the weight is in 75cm's from center.
 If the lever drops 20cm's (rotates 15 degrees), the weight's cg will be 96cm's from the center line of the wheel.
This will lift the weight in the lever near bottom center 15cm's. This will be because the line goes under the weight and basically cradles it. When the line is pulled by the dropping lever, the weight can roll against the inside of the lever because the weights are round.
Basically, one weight and lever will perform 2 functions at one time.
 I'm not sure when I will be finished with it.
 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on February 24, 2009, 02:33:26 AM
Jim

 That is the best one I have seen you come up with that I have seen. Keep working at it.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: brian334 on February 24, 2009, 02:40:33 AM

1. On the down side the object must be heavier than the same object on the up side.
2. At the bottom the object must change from being heavier on the down side to being lighter on the up side.
3. On the up side the object must be lighter than the same object was the down side.
4. At the top the object must change back from being lighter on the up side to heavier on the down side.


Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: broli on February 24, 2009, 03:03:30 AM
Very exciting thanks for sharing BAHammer. (are you Ab's evil/good twin? :P)
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: helmut on February 24, 2009, 08:51:46 AM
@Jim
Good Idea

1. On the down side the object must be heavier than the same object on the up side.
2. At the bottom the object must change from being heavier on the down side to being lighter on the up side.
3. On the up side the object must be lighter than the same object was the down side.
4. At the top the object must change back from being lighter on the up side to heavier on the down side.


@
If centrifugal force occures, it might be possible to work with same weights.
One must  work with same weights because otherwhise the setup will find its equilibrium very soon.
To shift the weight outside the balance one have to employ a extern force.
A centrifugal force might be such a force.
I guess, that Besseler used the pendulums to store and release these extern forces.

helmut
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on February 24, 2009, 01:25:59 PM
   @All,
 The reason I drew the design this way, it is simpler to see how it can work.
What I was intending on doing was putting a pulley that acts as a hoist at the end of the arm.
This will allow for the weights to be the same.
 If you notice, the end of the lever can drop 20cm's. And this only lifts the weight at bottom center 15cm's.
This would be using the same principle as a hoist. I have used one before to manually lift a 12,000 lb. rotor assembly for a steam driven turbine. Needless to say, I weighed 195 lbs. Gearing has everything to do with it, just like on a pendulum clock.
  Glad y'all like the design  :)
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on February 24, 2009, 09:30:03 PM
Jim

 That is the best one I have seen you come up with that I have seen. Keep working at it.

  Alan,
 Normally, I would say thanks.
The problem is, this is the same build I was harassed for doing about 6 months ago.
I've always maintained that ideas need to be developed over time. This is an
example of that.
 This means that this build originated with the wheel and the pendulum concept
which everyone rejected. This means about 1 1/2 years on the same idea.
 If you check, everyone in these forums abandon their ideas well before 18 months.

                                                                               Jim
 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on February 25, 2009, 01:30:42 AM
Greetings Jim

 A similar concept in different ways can be different wheels. This one did not show until now, but some of your ideas building up to this you may well have been talked about but until the proper frame of reference comes to play it would not be clear.
 I have scrutinized your wheel and have cum up with a few improvements that might help. But I am not sure if you want to here them.
 Most of my wheel designs since I got started have been unity operation/effects. How they truly react to each other makes it a good idea or not and no guarantees. I would call this wheel a unity operation/effect.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on February 25, 2009, 04:47:57 PM
Greetings Jim

 A similar concept in different ways can be different wheels. This one did not show until now, but some of your ideas building up to this you may well have been talked about but until the proper frame of reference comes to play it would not be clear.
 I have scrutinized your wheel and have cum up with a few improvements that might help. But I am not sure if you want to here them.
 Most of my wheel designs since I got started have been unity operation/effects. How they truly react to each other makes it a good idea or not and no guarantees. I would call this wheel a unity operation/effect.

>> A similar concept in different ways can be different wheels. This one did not show until now,<<

 The way the weight is retracted is different. Otherwise, it is the same wheel and the same principle.

edited to add;
 Alan,
 With all of the harassment I took over the previous build of myt interpretation of the Wheel and the Pendulum, I can understand why you would wish to say this is a different wheel. This would negate the development of the same wheel. And this would justify the ridicule about my previous efforts.
 Unfortunately, those who ridiculed me were wrong for doing so. If anything, I might have realised this modification sooner.
 I can't say for sure yet, but this might lead to Bessler's 60 rpm wheel. If so, I think German historians will get a good laugh from everything said about me  ;D
 And they'll be glad I stood my ground and continued on.
 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on February 25, 2009, 05:21:35 PM
  Alan,
 This is the drawing I sent to John Collins.
 If you look at the picture of my last build, the arms are the same.
I just modified how they work.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on February 25, 2009, 07:07:48 PM
>> A similar concept in different ways can be different wheels. This one did not show until now,<<

 The way the weight is retracted is different. Otherwise, it is the same wheel and the same principle.

edited to add;
 Alan,
 With all of the harassment I took over the previous build of myt interpretation of the Wheel and the Pendulum, I can understand why you would wish to say this is a different wheel. This would negate the development of the same wheel. And this would justify the ridicule about my previous efforts.
 Unfortunately, those who ridiculed me were wrong for doing so. If anything, I might have realised this modification sooner.
 I can't say for sure yet, but this might lead to Bessler's 60 rpm wheel. If so, I think German historians will get a good laugh from everything said about me  ;D
 And they'll be glad I stood my ground and continued on.
 


Jim; I have had to Indore 50 times more harassment and threats from you. You have said that I had said many thing that I have not, so of course I would dispute them. Also don't confuse constructive criticism with harassment. I never said your design would work, nor have I ever seen what you sent to John Collins either. I simply said

>> That is the best one I have seen you come up with that I have seen. Keep working at it.<<

and later

>>I have scrutinized your wheel and have come up with a few improvements that might help. But I am not sure if you want to here them.<<

The main reason I am not spouting out improvements is because you tend to take it as harassment and go off the deep end. So simply said, you will have to want what I have seen before I will post any improvements.

Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Low-Q on February 26, 2009, 01:11:43 PM
  @ Helmut,
 This is what I've been working on.
 It's pretty simple. If the starting position ( cg ) of a weight is 85cm's, it can roll out to 1 meter.
A line is attached to the lever the weight is in 75cm's from center.
 If the lever drops 20cm's (rotates 15 degrees), the weight's cg will be 96cm's from the center line of the wheel.
This will lift the weight in the lever near bottom center 15cm's. This will be because the line goes under the weight and basically cradles it. When the line is pulled by the dropping lever, the weight can roll against the inside of the lever because the weights are round.
Basically, one weight and lever will perform 2 functions at one time.
 I'm not sure when I will be finished with it.
 
This will work only if the wheel stands still (!). As soon as the wheel start spinning, the weights will be forced outwards due to centrifugal forces. The line will therefor "feel" other forces than you calculated, and the balls will automaticly counterforce rotation. I don't know other ways to explain this. But you can try to imagine all forces as the wheel is spinning.

The angle of the lever on the right side will also be reduced due to the centrifugal force.

Br.

Vdar
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on February 26, 2009, 01:19:46 PM
This will work only if the wheel stands still (!). As soon as the wheel start spinning, the weights will be forced outwards due to centrifugal forces. The line will therefor "feel" other forces than you calculated, and the balls will automaticly counterforce rotation. I don't know other ways to explain this. But you can try to imagine all forces as the wheel is spinning.

The angle of the lever on the right side will also be reduced due to the centrifugal force.

Br.

Vdar

  Hi Low,
 Helmut mentioned something similar when he mentioned inertia. I have thought of a modification I can make to the arms to help compensate for inertia wanting to move the weights back out again.
 What I'm kind of hoping for using bearings is that I will need to limit the amount of over balance. If not, changing the ratio that the lever action lifts the weight is always another possibility.

                                                                               Jim
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Low-Q on February 26, 2009, 01:37:30 PM
  Hi Low,
 Helmut mentioned something similar when he mentioned inertia. I have thought of a modification I can make to the arms to help compensate for inertia wanting to move the weights back out again.
 What I'm kind of hoping for using bearings is that I will need to limit the amount of over balance. If not, changing the ratio that the lever action lifts the weight is always another possibility.

                                                                               Jim
Hi,

You can make it a try, but I whish to "warn" you that a solution to one thing, will be a drawback for something else as long you do this inside the same system. So you will probably end up in ground zero - like paying yourself a lot of money from your own pocket. You simply don't get any richer :) But don't let this stop you from trying, it is at least worth trying for learning purpose. :)

Br.

Vidar
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on February 27, 2009, 01:22:20 PM
Hi,

You can make it a try, but I whish to "warn" you that a solution to one thing, will be a drawback for something else as long you do this inside the same system. So you will probably end up in ground zero - like paying yourself a lot of money from your own pocket. You simply don't get any richer :) But don't let this stop you from trying, it is at least worth trying for learning purpose. :)

Br.

Vidar

  Hi Pi, er, Vidar,
 Always possible it won't work. That's okay.
After all, the first rule of perpetual motion is that it's not possible. After that, all other rules are meaningless.
 I will be testing a specific mathematical idea.

                                                                            Jim         
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on February 28, 2009, 03:41:57 PM
  @All,
 This is what the wheel looks like going to 8 arms and weights.
If you look inside the cicrle, you will see a scissor type movement.
If you look inside the rectangle near the bottom, you will see 2 weights close together.
 rlortie & AB Hammer have both said this is a Keel Effect. That by having weights close
together at the bottom, or more below the level of the axle than above it, it will prevent a wheel from working.
 Myself, I would venture a guess that this is the design Bessler was refering to when he said he used scissors. With this design, 5 weights will be below the level of the axle for about 120 degrees of the rotation.
 The cool part is that math states that even though this is so, the over balanced side will have more force than the side where the weights are at their starting position. I guess this means how many weights are above or below the axle doesn't matter much as long as the same side has a continues net force.   ;D
 There are possibly some things that can be done to make this type of wheel more efficient. This would go back to some of the statements Bessler made. Such as using springs and metal plates.

edited to add; I do consider this drawing and image to be copyrighted  :)
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 01, 2009, 12:39:33 AM
Hay Jim

 How long until you build it?

 I am not sure if you know this, but the C inside of the circle means registered copyright. If it is not properly registered you need to remove the circle. If I am not mistaken.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 02, 2009, 01:24:20 PM
@Jim
Good Idea

@
If centrifugal force occures, it might be possible to work with same weights.
One must  work with same weights because otherwhise the setup will find its equilibrium very soon.
To shift the weight outside the balance one have to employ a extern force.
A centrifugal force might be such a force.
I guess, that Besseler used the pendulums to store and release these extern forces.

helmut

  Helmut,
 Tonight, I will be posting a drawing. It is something that hopefully you will say "Jim, I like it".
I do have a copy of your drawing I keep with my drawing pad. I know it helped me.
 The way yours works is different and helped keep me from becoming fixated on one way of doing things.
 I guess it will be Tuesday for you by the time you will see it. Hopefully, it will be a good start for your day.
 Thanks for being a friend through all of this  :)

                                                                                 Jim
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 02, 2009, 03:36:47 PM
Hay Jim

 How long until you build it?

 I am not sure if you know this, but the C inside of the circle means registered copyright. If it is not properly registered you need to remove the circle. If I am not mistaken.

  @All,
 And this from someone who said they were going to patent my self rolling wheel. Am I missing something ?

 @Helmut,
 I'll send you the drawing and a link to Stefan. I think he might like to see it.
 Helmut, if you or a friend of yours like the idea enough to try it, it would be okay with me.
 There are a few medical problems I need to take care of first. After that, I would be able to enjoy doing a build much more.

                                                                                              Jim
 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 02, 2009, 05:20:57 PM
  @All,
 And this from someone who said they were going to patent my self rolling wheel. Am I missing something ?

 

                                                                                              Jim
 

 >:( Quit the bull $#!+ slander crap!!! Jim
I won't do what you do. I don't take others ideas and claim them mine. I have had over 600 designs. Why would I want something that was designed by somebody else? especially what you have come up with. You are not in the same class as I, when it comes to design. So build your design and learn what I have known for awhile. Only the build will teach you. Real life experience dood!!.

I knew you wouldn't check it out, and for those who would like to know about the copyright emblem question. Here is the link. I was partly mistaken. When I have a question, I look it up.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_it_illegal_to_use_the_copyright_symbol_without_registering
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 02, 2009, 09:28:13 PM
>:( Quit the bull $#!+ slander crap!!! Jim
I won't do what you do. I don't take others ideas and claim them mine. I have had over 600 designs. Why would I want something that was designed by somebody else? especially what you have come up with. You are not in the same class as I, when it comes to design. So build your design and learn what I have known for awhile. Only the build will teach you. Real life experience dood!!.

I knew you wouldn't check it out, and for those who would like to know about the copyright emblem question. Here is the link. I was partly mistaken. When I have a question, I look it up.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_it_illegal_to_use_the_copyright_symbol_without_registering

  Alan,
 You did post it in alexioco's private forum. You said you were goin g to keep your self rolling wheel a secret until you had the patent and money in hand.
 If what you were working on was legitimate, you would have continued. Or when i posted the thread, self Rolling Wheel, you would have stated where your wheel was different.
 What you said was, I should have known it was you. You used a different name on youtube.
 What did it matter what name I used on youtube ? The thread is still on here. Anyone can look and see that you were upset about my using a different name on youtube and not because I said you were trying to steal my idea.
 I mean, you did say in Alexioco's forum that it looked promising. This would mean that you know that when it comes to this type of understanding, that I do have a good idea what I am talking about. And this is why you have harassed me since. To try to take credit for teaching me what I've been learning by discussing things with people. Simply put, trying to take credit when you deserve none.
 This would be one reason why you were upset after saying this is a new design I am working on. That I had said it wasn't didn't matter to you. You took the time to explain where I did not understand what I was doing. But the drawing I sent to John Collins was something you were not prepared for because as you pointed out, you didn't know I sent it to him.
 Get your own build and post it Alan. That is if you are legitimate. But making claims is something anyone can do. But i have yet to see post and pursue a build.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 02, 2009, 09:34:50 PM
LOL at arguing over who came up with an idea that doesn't even work...
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 03, 2009, 01:02:15 AM
LOL at arguing over who came up with an idea that doesn't even work...

 He knows what you don't  ;D
Otherwise, he wouldn't bother with me  ;D   He wanted to play it safe in case things didn't work out.
 Sad part is, if you walk on a fence long enough, sooner or later you're gonna slip and crush your nuts. I think that's what I've been eharing from him.


 @Helmut,
 These 2 drawings show the design I told you about. With bearings, 4 arms should work just fine.
If you or someone you like that lives in Germany doesn't want to give it a try, let me know.
 I already have a basic build idea for it.
 The first drawing is a basic explanation of the math that will show how an over balance is maintained.
 The second shows how using a scissor type motion will move a weight to it's starting position.
And as was mentioned in your design, once the weights go past top center, they are basically over balanced as they will be hanging from their pivot points at the end of the arm.
 With 6 or 8 arms/weights, the weights would work a little differently.
 
 @erickdt, thanks for posting  :)
I was hoping someone with a decent attitude would.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 03, 2009, 03:11:38 AM
  Alan,
 You did post it in alexioco's private forum. You said you were goin g to keep your self rolling wheel a secret until you had the patent and money in hand.
 If what you were working on was legitimate, you would have continued. Or when i posted the thread, self Rolling Wheel, you would have stated where your wheel was different.
 What you said was, I should have known it was you. You used a different name on youtube.
 What did it matter what name I used on youtube ? The thread is still on here. Anyone can look and see that you were upset about my using a different name on youtube and not because I said you were trying to steal my idea.
 I mean, you did say in Alexioco's forum that it looked promising. This would mean that you know that when it comes to this type of understanding, that I do have a good idea what I am talking about. And this is why you have harassed me since. To try to take credit for teaching me what I've been learning by discussing things with people. Simply put, trying to take credit when you deserve none.
 This would be one reason why you were upset after saying this is a new design I am working on. That I had said it wasn't didn't matter to you. You took the time to explain where I did not understand what I was doing. But the drawing I sent to John Collins was something you were not prepared for because as you pointed out, you didn't know I sent it to him.
 Get your own build and post it Alan. That is if you are legitimate. But making claims is something anyone can do. But i have yet to see post and pursue a build.

Well lets see here
1st The toy in question that jim claims is his is the same one that Scott Hall showed. A peace of junk.

2nd Jim would say anything or do anything " IMO " to see what I am doing.

3rd the walking wheel that I did, didn't work as predicted perpetually,  but for other uses it went beyond expectation. So hell no! I won't show it yet.

4th I said my wheel looked promising not yours. Yours was another Scott Hall peace of junk. You also stated that you would backdate your post and take credit for my wheel. So of course I am not going to show it.

5th >>Get your own build and post it Alan. That is if you are legitimate. But making claims is something anyone can do. But i have yet to see post and pursue a build.<<

FDROLMAO I have posted several wheels and videos on youtube. Some where of my earlier post but they were low hits so I deleted them but there will be more to come. and if people want to see the earlier ones I will be glad to e-mail them to them.
My youtube sight.  http://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer

So Jim! any more BULL $#!+? Or you understand you have been making mistakes and swallow a little pride so things might get better. ::)
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: broli on March 03, 2009, 03:50:22 AM
And this folks is why ideas need to be shared freely. All this fighting leads to nothing FOOLS!
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 03, 2009, 03:22:33 PM
Well lets see here
1st The toy in question that jim claims is his is the same one that Scott Hall showed. A peace of junk.

2nd Jim would say anything or do anything " IMO " to see what I am doing.

3rd the walking wheel that I did, didn't work as predicted perpetually,  but for other uses it went beyond expectation. So hell no! I won't show it yet.

4th I said my wheel looked promising not yours. Yours was another Scott Hall peace of junk. You also stated that you would backdate your post and take credit for my wheel. So of course I am not going to show it.

5th >>Get your own build and post it Alan. That is if you are legitimate. But making claims is something anyone can do. But i have yet to see post and pursue a build.<<

FDROLMAO I have posted several wheels and videos on youtube. Some where of my earlier post but they were low hits so I deleted them but there will be more to come. and if people want to see the earlier ones I will be glad to e-mail them to them.
My youtube sight.  http://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer

So Jim! any more BULL $#!+? Or you understand you have been making mistakes and swallow a little pride so things might get better. ::)

  Alan,
 Scott's wheel had 3 arms with no weight at the axle.
 This picture is what you were building. An over balanced arm causes rotation and a weight in the center stores momentum to lift the weight moving towards top center the last 30 degrees.
 According to trig, the arm at the level of the axle and moving downward 60 degrees should generate more force than what a weight moving 30 degrees up would need.
 Not sure where you get off being nothing but a F^%$ing liar.
 If it works it would be a neat trick, having a wheel roll over a weight once it is on the ground. Of course, I did say the over balance is 1/8th the radius, or 1/2 inch of over balance for every 4 inches of radius.
 And that is why you slam me like Ralph does for using a different psuedonym on youtube. You did not know it was me who posted it to someone. And you got caught as a result.
 Can it work ? Possibly. But as I have said before Alan, if you did get it to work and claim it as your own, people on youtube, including the person the design was given to might have said something. Somerthing like someone posted that idea and it wasn't you.
 This is why I think that people like you and Ralph that do secret builds should not be allowed in here.
 I've not seen you post a legitimate build. Putting one lever on a wheel is n0ot a build. That is something so basic it is meaningless. And you did say you have done 600 builds. You and Ralph both, what a laugh.
 You sound like a clear case of being jealous Alan. I take the time to analyze what I am working on. This means I need toi work slower. Something that upsets you.
 After all, when you tried saying I couldn't do something then being supportive of my current project was nothing but an attempt to emotionally control me. Sorry, that won't ever happen.
 Read the 4th statement under abuse Alan. It doews fit your attitude towards me.
http://eqi.org/eabuse1.htm#What%20is%20Emotional%20Abuse?
 
 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 03, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
And this folks is why ideas need to be shared freely. All this fighting leads to nothing FOOLS!

So broli

 If someone was stating false witness against you would not defend yourself? Who would be the bigger FOOL?
 So simply if you have a for sure runner design and you show it, just think how many people will be out there saying MINE! MINE! MY IDEA!.  It will be bad enough when it is protected, and Jim's actions are just an example. IMO For some reason he has so called convinced himself, that I am doing a design/toy that he claims is his, which it is not, but if I show what I am doing even though it is not a runner either but it has other attributes that may get me a retirement. My retirement possibility in this one will become lost. It is no longer to do anything with perpetual motion so give it up Jim. People are so looking at the end goal, they miss so much in between that can be valuable as well.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 03, 2009, 03:36:00 PM
And this folks is why ideas need to be shared freely. All this fighting leads to nothing FOOLS!

  broli,
 It can be expected for Alan to be abusive towards me. Ralph was in Besslerwheel. He said I am an idiot because of my spelling and that my head injury or speaking English as a second language matter.
 And Scott ellis supported that kind of attitude. I have no need to tolerate abuse.
 If you notice, Alan said nothing about the Bessler design I posted. Why ?
It's a control issue. He wants to claim he mentored me. This is why he was jealous when i was discussing different things in the G-Force thread. He isn't familiar with science and was jealous when other peole were willing to discuss things with me that he couldn't be in control of.
 That could be why Ralph was abusive towards me in bessler wheel. I was discussing things that they're not capable of. And they do promote the idea that they are accomplished builders.
 This is engineering. And as such does take time to develop. Neither have the patience.
 If they supported bessler, then they would be willing to discuss ideas that might lead to an understanding of how his wheels work.
 Mt 25 will work. Ralph has said it won't in the thread he posted for you. It works on a similar principal as mt 24.
 With mt 25, when the lever advances, it has a line going through the weight hanging from the fixed arm. This goes to a hoist mechanism that is geared between 2:1 and 3:1. This lefts the weight at the bottom.
 This means that the weight that hangs from a fixed arm would be something like 5 lbs. and the weight on the lever 2 1/2 lbs. It would take some fine tuning of the math, but that is the basic idea.
 Part of the problem could be the lack of belief that Bessler actually built a working wheel let alone 4 or more   ;D
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 03, 2009, 03:56:21 PM
  Alan,
 Scott's wheel had 3 arms with no weight at the axle.
 This picture is what you were building. An over balanced arm causes rotation and a weight in the center stores momentum to lift the weight moving towards top center the last 30 degrees.
 According to trig, the arm at the level of the axle and moving downward 60 degrees should generate more force than what a weight moving 30 degrees up would need.
 Not sure where you get off being nothing but a F^%$ing liar.
 If it works it would be a neat trick, having a wheel roll over a weight once it is on the ground. Of course, I did say the over balance is 1/8th the radius, or 1/2 inch of over balance for every 4 inches of radius.
 And that is why you slam me like Ralph does for using a different psuedonym on youtube. You did not know it was me who posted it to someone. And you got caught as a result.
 Can it work ? Possibly. But as I have said before Alan, if you did get it to work and claim it as your own, people on youtube, including the person the design was given to might have said something. Somerthing like someone posted that idea and it wasn't you.
 This is why I think that people like you and Ralph that do secret builds should not be allowed in here.
 I've not seen you post a legitimate build. Putting one lever on a wheel is n0ot a build. That is something so basic it is meaningless. And you did say you have done 600 builds. You and Ralph both, what a laugh.
 You sound like a clear case of being jealous Alan. I take the time to analyze what I am working on. This means I need toi work slower. Something that upsets you.
 After all, when you tried saying I couldn't do something then being supportive of my current project was nothing but an attempt to emotionally control me. Sorry, that won't ever happen.
 Read the 4th statement under abuse Alan. It doews fit your attitude towards me.
http://eqi.org/eabuse1.htm#What%20is%20Emotional%20Abuse?
 
 

FDROLMAO Jim

 You are so lost, and have no idea but your imagination. I said I have designed over 600 wheels, not built. LOL

Back to the youtube thing. You had to tell me on forum that wh0wants2kn0w was you and here is the link for people to read.
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=7PW_LA16xYk&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3D7PW_LA16xYk
Note
1 year ago ABthehammer /me
response 9 months ago wh0wants2kn0w/Jim
return response 9 months ago ABthehammer /me
final responce 9 months ago wh0wants2kn0w/Jim

This is the bases of you claim? FDROLMAO like I said it won't work. I have tried it when Scott Hall posted it and I even tried to improve it before I ever talked to you. It didn't work then and it won't work now, nor is it what I am doing. There is no lies from me. The only lies are your accusations. I will never give in and show my best designs before there time, so give it up. 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 03, 2009, 04:11:53 PM
  broli,
 It can be expected for Alan to be abusive towards me. Ralph was in Besslerwheel. He said I am an idiot because of my spelling and that my head injury or speaking English as a second language matter.
 And Scott ellis supported that kind of attitude. I have no need to tolerate abuse.
 If you notice, Alan said nothing about the Bessler design I posted. Why ?
It's a control issue. He wants to claim he mentored me. This is why he was jealous when i was discussing different things in the G-Force thread. He isn't familiar with science and was jealous when other peole were willing to discuss things with me that he couldn't be in control of.
 That could be why Ralph was abusive towards me in bessler wheel. I was discussing things that they're not capable of. And they do promote the idea that they are accomplished builders.
 This is engineering. And as such does take time to develop. Neither have the patience.
 If they supported bessler, then they would be willing to discuss ideas that might lead to an understanding of how his wheels work.
 Mt 25 will work. Ralph has said it won't in the thread he posted for you. It works on a similar principal as mt 24.
 With mt 25, when the lever advances, it has a line going through the weight hanging from the fixed arm. This goes to a hoist mechanism that is geared between 2:1 and 3:1. This lefts the weight at the bottom.
 This means that the weight that hangs from a fixed arm would be something like 5 lbs. and the weight on the lever 2 1/2 lbs. It would take some fine tuning of the math, but that is the basic idea.
 Part of the problem could be the lack of belief that Bessler actually built a working wheel let alone 4 or more   ;D

Jim you keep bringing up the same thing with MT24 and MT25. Over and over. We call this tunnel vision. I have posted and have show an overlay grid over MT24 showing the reasons why. KEEL FACTOR, KEEL FACTOR, KEEL FACTOR, the words you don't want to here, not to mention the weight shift will not over take the KEEL FACTOR.
 Bessler never showed his working wheel design and yes he had 4 runners that he showed, but kept his secret and I believe he had other designs that he was saving for later that were more powerful. But he did say all you needed to know was in the MTs. So you might like to test reaction and see what Bessler was talking about.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: broli on March 03, 2009, 04:23:47 PM
You know this can be easily built in wm2D. But the big question is...if it doesn't run will you accept it or blame the program?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 03, 2009, 04:42:43 PM
You can spend your time and money however you like Jim but I am 100% sure that this setup will never work. I will bet you 1 million crisp American dollars that it won't. I say this not because I'm trying to rain on your parade but because you are travelling down a dead end road and I'm (we're) trying to save you the trip. As Broli suggests, a quick WM2D test will quickly show you that this concept will not work...
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 03, 2009, 09:23:47 PM
You know this can be easily built in wm2D. But the big question is...if it doesn't run will you accept it or blame the program?

  broli,
 That isn't the problem. What law says i can not copyright a drawing ?
 Alan says i can not do this.

                                                    Jim
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 03, 2009, 09:28:48 PM
You can spend your time and money however you like Jim but I am 100% sure that this setup will never work. I will bet you 1 million crisp American dollars that it won't. I say this not because I'm trying to rain on your parade but because you are travelling down a dead end road and I'm (we're) trying to save you the trip. As Broli suggests, a quick WM2D test will quickly show you that this concept will not work...

  erickdt,
 is everyone wishing to defend Alan for attacking me ?
 Is Alan upset because I said Stefan and Helmut were going to be given the chance to build the
drawing I posted on a scissor wheel ? I think so. It takes him out of the picture.
 I think this is why Alan is unhappy. He wants to say how he was responsible or something.
 This is why he is attacking me.

 As to the Self Rolling Wheel, consider the drawing I posted using a scissor type motion. That was developed over time. What the self Rolling Wheel is ina  sense a couple of things. Even if it can not work, what gave Alan the right to secretly be working on it hoping to profit from it ?
 I am the only one who can patent it. That is what the point is. Who can do what legally. And I do have the legal right to copyright drawings.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 03, 2009, 09:41:31 PM
  erickdt,
 is everyone wishing to defend Alan for attacking me ?
 Is Alan upset because I said Stefan and Helmut were going to be given the chance to build the
drawing I posted on a scissor wheel ? I think so. It takes him out of the picture.
 I think this is why Alan is unhappy. He wants to say how he was responsible or something.
 This is why he is attacking me.

 As to the Self Rolling Wheel, consider the drawing I posted using a scissor type motion. That was developed over time. What the self Rolling Wheel is ina  sense a couple of things. Even if it can not work, what gave Alan the right to secretly be working on it hoping to profit from it ?
 I am the only one who can patent it. That is what the point is. Who can do what legally. And I do have the legal right to copyright drawings.

My post has what exactly to do with "defending Alan"?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: hansvonlieven on March 03, 2009, 09:55:53 PM
Jim you keep bringing up the same thing with MT24 and MT25. Over and over. We call this tunnel vision. I have posted and have show an overlay grid over MT24 showing the reasons why. KEEL FACTOR, KEEL FACTOR, KEEL FACTOR, the words you don't want to here, not to mention the weight shift will not over take the KEEL FACTOR.
 Bessler never showed his working wheel design and yes he had 4 runners that he showed, but kept his secret and I believe he had other designs that he was saving for later that were more powerful. But he did say all you needed to know was in the MTs. So you might like to test reaction and see what Bessler was talking about.

Sorry Alan, but could you please tell me where Bessler said this.

I have studied the MT's in the original and the closest I can come is that Bessler said if someone was clever enough he might be able to perceive some motion if they studied the designs. (At least that is the meaning of what he said, as far as I know)

If someone can correct me on this I would be obliged.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 03, 2009, 10:04:53 PM
Sorry Alan, but could you please tell me where Bessler said this.

I have studied the MT's in the original and the closest I can come is that Bessler said if someone was clever enough he might be able to perceive some motion if they studied the designs. (At least that is the meaning of what he said, as far as I know)

If someone can correct me on this I would be obliged.

Hans von Lieven

I agree. One thing is clear however: people who concentrate too much on one MT drawing or another are not seeing the bigger picture presented by the MT. No single drawing is or even is close to the answer...
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 03, 2009, 11:46:59 PM
Sorry Alan, but could you please tell me where Bessler said this.

I have studied the MT's in the original and the closest I can come is that Bessler said if someone was clever enough he might be able to perceive some motion if they studied the designs. (At least that is the meaning of what he said, as far as I know)

If someone can correct me on this I would be obliged.

Hans von Lieven

Sorry Hans

 That was just how I understood it. I should have said, how I understand from different things Bessler said you can find it in the MTs with a discerning eye.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 04, 2009, 12:10:28 AM
My post has what exactly to do with "defending Alan"?

Sorry erickdt but Jim, P-Motion, now BAHammer  Blames me for allot of things and say I say allot of things I have never said, or is totally out of context. It is his obsession for some reason. If any one says anything he can relate or seem to be siding against him you must be siding with me, he will blame you for that.

For instant his mind set. Here is an example
what gave Alan the right to secretly be working on it hoping to profit from it ?

For starters how can he know what I am working on? Even if he hacked my computer he would never know what I am working on ( I don't keep it in the computer, only what I download to look at later). Does he have video cameras hidden in my house or shop?  Insanity is the only view left for this.

I do agree that none of the MT's work as is and you may have to have some good imagination to find out what else to use from what you see.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 04, 2009, 12:57:36 AM
Sorry erickdt but Jim, P-Motion, now BAHammer  Blames me for allot of things and say I say allot of things I have never said, or is totally out of context. It is his obsession for some reason. If any one says anything he can relate or seem to be siding against him you must be siding with me, he will blame you for that.

For instant his mind set. Here is an example
what gave Alan the right to secretly be working on it hoping to profit from it ?

For starters how can he know what I am working on? Even if he hacked my computer he would never know what I am working on ( I don't keep it in the computer, only what I download to look at later). Does he have video cameras hidden in my house or shop?  Insanity is the only view left for this.

I do agree that none of the MT's work as is and you may have to have some good imagination to find out what else to use from what you see.

  Alan,
 Could be when you posted that you were working on a self rolling wheel in Alexioco's private forum. At that time, you did not know it was me who gave the idea to someone else.
 More importantly, when I started the thread, Self Rolling Wheel in this forum, you attacked me.
No reason for it unless it was the same wheel you were building.
 Any more Alan, I think you are a waste of time. This thread has become about you just as g-Force did. Why is it you are so obsessed with me ? As I HAVE SAID BEFORE, IF I TRY POSTING WITH OTHER PEOPLE, YOU DO GET JEALOUS. this proves it.
 Any more, posting in here is a waste of time. Stefan should ban you for being a distraction.
 How many people try to explain to soemone that the build they are working on is a new one and not a continuation of the previous one ? Only you. Why is it important to you to make me out to be a "creative" person ? I've worked on the same idea for a year and a half. Yet you try to turn that into someth8ing else.
 That is what I call controlling behavior.
 I think you want me to build a working wheel so you can say your my mentor. And if it doesn't work, then by constantly slamming me, it shows you know what you're talking about.
 That's playing both sides of the fence. These guys don't think you're clever enough for that Alan. But I know what you're up to   ;D
 And that is why if Helmut buiolds it or one of his friends, you'll be left out in the cold. Sob, sob for you   ;D
 I won't post in here anymore. you've made it a waste of time Alan. It's all about you if I try anything in here.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 04, 2009, 02:56:48 AM
  Alan,
 Could be when you posted that you were working on a self rolling wheel in Alexioco's private forum. At that time, you did not know it was me who gave the idea to someone else.
 More importantly, when I started the thread, Self Rolling Wheel in this forum, you attacked me.
No reason for it unless it was the same wheel you were building.
 Any more Alan, I think you are a waste of time. This thread has become about you just as g-Force did. Why is it you are so obsessed with me ? As I HAVE SAID BEFORE, IF I TRY POSTING WITH OTHER PEOPLE, YOU DO GET JEALOUS. this proves it.
 Any more, posting in here is a waste of time. Stefan should ban you for being a distraction.
 How many people try to explain to soemone that the build they are working on is a new one and not a continuation of the previous one ? Only you. Why is it important to you to make me out to be a "creative" person ? I've worked on the same idea for a year and a half. Yet you try to turn that into someth8ing else.
 That is what I call controlling behavior.
 I think you want me to build a working wheel so you can say your my mentor. And if it doesn't work, then by constantly slamming me, it shows you know what you're talking about.
 That's playing both sides of the fence. These guys don't think you're clever enough for that Alan. But I know what you're up to   ;D
 And that is why if Helmut buiolds it or one of his friends, you'll be left out in the cold. Sob, sob for you   ;D
 I won't post in here anymore. you've made it a waste of time Alan. It's all about you if I try anything in here.

You have done 5 different strings with the same thing after Alex.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6900.0

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6908.0

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6431.0

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5623.0

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5623.0

You have been so called on this for how long?  ::)

You cant see that it is a dead end ::)

And you don't understand that you have become tunneled visioned about it. But you blame me. ::)

When it comes to that toy, you are delusional for I was and have always talked about something else.

Those who will confront you despite of your crap are not always your enemies. But you keep asking for me for some reason and you say things that hollers for a response for my own innocence. For I have not done what you have declared. Or would I ever take somebody else's design and claim it to be mine. Just remember you attacked me first, I defend with the one exception of the toy you posted and I said "Why would you bring back that peace of crap back". I was already severely tired of it and you won't let it go, tunnel visioned one.

Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: sevich on March 04, 2009, 11:50:20 AM
@  Jim / P-Motion / BAHammer .....

You so much remind me of Jim Carrey in the movie "the cable guy"   ;D ;D

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6whzBOV8_Es&feature=related

Run Alan, RUN !

 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 05, 2009, 05:02:51 AM
@  Jim / P-Motion / BAHammer .....

You so much remind me of Jim Carrey in the movie "the cable guy"   ;D ;D

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6whzBOV8_Es&feature=related

Run Alan, RUN !

 

Sorry sevich
 
 I have bad knees and I can't run, but I can use my cane to beat back with.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 05, 2009, 09:25:17 PM
Sorry sevich
 
 I have bad knees and I can't run, but I can use my cane to beat back with.

  Alan,
 I mentioned in the G-Force thread that I had been bleeding internally and asked you to stop harassing me.
 Your answer was that you like to harass me for fun.
 Is that what you call fighting back ? Turns out what was bleeding was a cancerous tumor I ruptured.
You are a sick man Alan. Worse off than me. Cancer is curable. Your attitude ? it's not.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: overtaker on March 05, 2009, 10:17:13 PM
BAHammer, Please check into adding some B17 into your diet. I watched a few videos and it makes sense to me. 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: hansvonlieven on March 05, 2009, 11:01:17 PM
  Alan,
 I mentioned in the G-Force thread that I had been bleeding internally and asked you to stop harassing me.
 Your answer was that you like to harass me for fun.
 Is that what you call fighting back ? Turns out what was bleeding was a cancerous tumor I ruptured.
You are a sick man Alan. Worse off than me. Cancer is curable. Your attitude ? it's not.

Perhaps calling yourself something other than BAHammer would take some antagonism out of this thread.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 05, 2009, 11:03:33 PM
  Alan,
 I mentioned in the G-Force thread that I had been bleeding internally and asked you to stop harassing me.
 Your answer was that you like to harass me for fun.
 Is that what you call fighting back ? Turns out what was bleeding was a cancerous tumor I ruptured.
You are a sick man Alan. Worse off than me. Cancer is curable. Your attitude ? it's not.

?? The pathetic act?? Your tougher than that Jim. And what number of quote did you say that >> you had been bleeding internally and asked me to stop harassing you.<< and what number of quote was I suppose to say that I so called, like harassing you for fun.
Show your proof.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 05, 2009, 11:57:35 PM
These arguments are silly and a waste of time, I have spent hours trying to work on a design, I made a post, and its been ignored for the sake of this argument, I mean come on, where is it getting you? Im about to make a new post, to see what the mature members think of it here, so lets get cracking instead of time wasting...
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 06, 2009, 12:19:32 AM
Perhaps calling yourself something other than BAHammer would take some antagonism out of this thread.

Hans von Lieven

  Pherhaps if it was monitored. I asked Alan a few times to quit posting with me.
 Even telling him (reply #30, my answer) that I was bleeding internally did no good.
 Most people would ahve sort of conscience. I was using p-motion.
 No reason for him to tell me he proved a levered wheel can not work.
 I do not have to go by what he believes. Yet, if I try to post with someone else as in this thread, he takes it over the same way he did in G-Force.
 Is there a reason Stefan can not monitor this forum ? I have pm'ed him and asked him to tell AB to lerave me alone.
 His antagonism of me started a long time ago. Alan has no conscience. He hides behind his cane.
Heck, I got ran over by a van. You don't hear me using my injuries as a means of defending myself.
 
#Alan, I'm not going to go through alkl the posts to find where you said you like harassing me. Consider you disagree with me and do not like me makes me wonder why you don't avoid me. Instead, you do seek me out.

 @Hans, read the last sentence. Alan seeks me out. I do not seek him out. And this was even when I used P-Motion.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 06, 2009, 03:06:15 AM
  Pherhaps if it was monitored. I asked Alan a few times to quit posting with me.
 Even telling him (reply #30, my answer) that I was bleeding internally did no good.
 Most people would ahve sort of conscience. I was using p-motion.
 No reason for him to tell me he proved a levered wheel can not work.
 I do not have to go by what he believes. Yet, if I try to post with someone else as in this thread, he takes it over the same way he did in G-Force.
 Is there a reason Stefan can not monitor this forum ? I have pm'ed him and asked him to tell AB to lerave me alone.
 His antagonism of me started a long time ago. Alan has no conscience. He hides behind his cane.
Heck, I got ran over by a van. You don't hear me using my injuries as a means of defending myself.
 
#Alan, I'm not going to go through alkl the posts to find where you said you like harassing me. Consider you disagree with me and do not like me makes me wonder why you don't avoid me. Instead, you do seek me out.

 @Hans, read the last sentence. Alan seeks me out. I do not seek him out. And this was even when I used P-Motion.

Alexioco

I agree with you on this, it is a waste of time. But I can also see that this BAHammer also once known as P-Motion obviously is causing problems for AB Hammer. I looked up this #30 post on G-Force. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6431.30 It belongs to AB Hammer and nothing said by this BAHammer is what he says. I also see him constantly accusing AB Hammer of lying and stealing. There is no evidence of that either. I can see this BAHammer/P-Motion say AB said this or AB said that and is constantly asking AB about stuff as well. Then I see AB answering the question or disputing what BAHammer /P-Motion said, and the back and for begins again, and AB has little choice but to accept BAHammer's/P-Motion's lies or fight him.

 I was following this because it was almost like a soap opera, and sometimes funny. But I can see now that for some sick reason BAHammer/P-Motion has it in for AB Hammer, and will never let him rest. No wonder BAHammer/P-Motion was banned from other forums.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 06, 2009, 04:08:28 AM
Quote
Well, I'll have to bow to your expertise, because you certainly have the corner on ignorance around here! You don't know anything about physics, you don't know anything about science, you continue to spout utter nonsensical garbage--all completely wrong--and yet you call other people ignorant! Now THAT is funny!




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 06, 2009, 04:47:04 AM
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:11 am    Post subject: A working ball wheel

Quote
Well how would you like one that works? but isn't worth any thing more than a toy. It doesn't have any torque to speak of, and it won't run a generator. But it does solve the problems of ball wheels of the past. It is so touche that if you build it wrong/rough it probably wouldn't even run well.
So you will need to build it with good precision, and then watch it go around, and around. I thought about saving this one for my step sons school project but it would be cheating.

So guys put this one on your computer 2d and 3d programs, and go for it.

OH! PS I . and 6+ disk will work best.


grayone,

This was not true.  I don't know what a lie is.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 06, 2009, 05:20:24 AM
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:11 am    Post subject: A working ball wheel


grayone,

This was not true.  I don't know what a lie is.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

Bessler007

I have seen some of your post. You are normally not very complimentary. I have seen this string and he worked hard to duplicate it but to no success. He was willing to give other ideas as well. It looked like to me a direction that no one here had tried before either. He also had posted this recently.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6474.0
He also said this on #3 about that string
 A working ball wheel
(we can even fool ourselves)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3494.0

 These actions are not of someone that lies or deceives. What do you have against him?
It is funny that when someone stands up for someone who he believes has been done wrong. You soon discover who his enemies are.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 06, 2009, 05:51:24 AM
Hello grayone,

Normally I am complimentary.  Let me give you an example.  You are not ugly nor does your mother dress you funny.  There you go.

What you may have noticed that didn't appear complimentary was my assessment of facts.  The fact is a dissenting opinion doesn't make an enemy.  Also, you flatter yourself to think I'd upgrade you to that level.

Whether the actions are or are not those of a liar doesn't mitigate the blatant statement:

Quote
So you will need to build it with good precision, and then watch it go around, and around.

. . . round and round my arse.

That is not a true statement about this wheel that's a modification of Da Vinci's roller ball wheel.  Would you call that a lie?  It's a yes or no question.



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

edit:

Here's a reference that may be helpful
Antonym of truth:  >falsehood, falsity, untruth
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 06, 2009, 06:05:13 AM
. . . I also see him constantly accusing AB Hammer of lying and stealing. There is no evidence of that either.
. . .

I just presented some evidence with the rehashing of Da Vinci's wheel; not even giving a dead man credit.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 06, 2009, 01:23:07 PM
Alexioco

I agree with you on this, it is a waste of time. But I can also see that this BAHammer also once known as P-Motion obviously is causing problems for AB Hammer. I looked up this #30 post on G-Force. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6431.30 It belongs to AB Hammer and nothing said by this BAHammer is what he says. I also see him constantly accusing AB Hammer of lying and stealing. There is no evidence of that either. I can see this BAHammer/P-Motion say AB said this or AB said that and is constantly asking AB about stuff as well. Then I see AB answering the question or disputing what BAHammer /P-Motion said, and the back and for begins again, and AB has little choice but to accept BAHammer's/P-Motion's lies or fight him.

 I was following this because it was almost like a soap opera, and sometimes funny. But I can see now that for some sick reason BAHammer/P-Motion has it in for AB Hammer, and will never let him rest. No wonder BAHammer/P-Motion was banned from other forums.

  What do you call this ? And check the date on it. Tell me, what did I do wrong ? Wished to discuss something ?
 It's dated May 2008. Tell me what I did. I mean, besides trying to discuss an idea.
 I think it is in poor taste to say that for some sick reason I have it in for alan.
 In the G-Force thread, if you read it, he was saying Ralph has it all over me and he is called Copernicus in Mississippi for his math. If so, why doesn't he discuss math ?
 He did say his Keel Effect proves a lever can not work on a wheel. Am I required to suport his ideas when they run counter to what I believe ? And what does Ralph have to do with a  discussion about inertia ? That is what the thread was about.
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Re: Perpetual Rolling Wheel ?
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P-Motion

 I work with my hands. I test with my hands. I observe the test and make notes. I design wheels and build them, and if they don't work I find out why, and take more notes. I don't spend my time with only math equations, for they will not tell any one if a wheel will work or not, they only help with the balances and imbalances.

 This is how I work, hands on. Not arguing equations on the forums, the whys and why nots. I go out and build and find out.

 You could use some good hands on practice and start seeing for yourself. Instead of trying to talk others into building what you come up with. I have never found anything that you have shown creditable for you are lacking the hands on experience, and it shows.
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Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 06, 2009, 01:26:38 PM
I just presented some evidence with the rehashing of Da Vinci's wheel; not even giving a dead man credit.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Let's see, the evidence is in Alexioco's private forum. And at anytime, Alexioco can delete the thread since he is host and moderator.
 Alex does know Alan posted a thread on a self rolling wheel. And it is after I posted a thread detailing a self rolling wheel that Alan decided to harass me every timer I post about something. Check when I was doing an actual build. He said to, yet still harassed me. Why ?
 I had said nothing about him at that time.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 06, 2009, 01:31:54 PM
Let's see, the evidence is in Alexioco's private forum. And at anytime, Alexioco can delete the thread since he is host and moderator.
 Alex does know Alan posted a thread on a self rolling wheel. And it is after I posted a thread detailing a self rolling wheel that Alan decided to harass me every timer I post about something. Check when I was doing an actual build. He said to, yet still harassed me. Why ?
 I had said nothing about him at that time.

I remember a post on my forum (which i dont have now) that Ab Hammer (Alan) wrote about a rolling wheel, but
it was not the one you keep on about, it was an idea of his own...

So whats so important about this, has it got you a working wheel yet? I want a straight Yes or No answer please
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 06, 2009, 02:28:12 PM
P-Motion, Jim, BA Hammer, Whatever the f*ck you're calling yourself these days,

You totally have a sick obsession with Alan. I'd be willing to bet that 75% of your posts since adopting the name "BA Hammer" have had in some way to do with Alan. Didn't your parents ever tell you that the best thing to do when you feel someone is "harassing" you is to ignore them? Apparently this idea is lost on you. Instead you go on and on ad naseum about "Alan this, that and the other thing... Whaaa!" I suspect this is because it's easier to criticize him than to confront the fact that you have had exactly zero success (probably from lack of trying anything in reality) in your quest to create a gravity powered wheel.

Now I have no position as to whether or not Alan is truly harassing you or not. I don't care, neither does anyone else. What I do know is Alan has a large body of work that is very impressive where as you have nothing more than a series of poorly drawn MS Paint drawings that rely entirely on fuzzy math and your own deranged concept of physics. I'm sure you'll reply to this post belly-aching about how everyone's ganging up on you but you need to recognize that you've brought this on yourself by constantly complaining about how Alan's "harassing you".

This is not a forum for schoolyard bickering it's a forum for discussing possible ideas for a self sustaining, gravity powered wheel. Grow up already.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 06, 2009, 02:48:42 PM
  What do you call this ? And check the date on it. Tell me, what did I do wrong ? Wished to discuss something ?
 It's dated May 2008. Tell me what I did. I mean, besides trying to discuss an idea.
 I think it is in poor taste to say that for some sick reason I have it in for alan.
 In the G-Force thread, if you read it, he was saying Ralph has it all over me and he is called Copernicus in Mississippi for his math. If so, why doesn't he discuss math ?
 He did say his Keel Effect proves a lever can not work on a wheel. Am I required to suport his ideas when they run counter to what I believe ? And what does Ralph have to do with a  discussion about inertia ? That is what the thread was about.
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Re: Perpetual Rolling Wheel ?
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2008, 10:32:42 PM »
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P-Motion

 I work with my hands. I test with my hands. I observe the test and make notes. I design wheels and build them, and if they don't work I find out why, and take more notes. I don't spend my time with only math equations, for they will not tell any one if a wheel will work or not, they only help with the balances and imbalances.

 This is how I work, hands on. Not arguing equations on the forums, the whys and why nots. I go out and build and find out.

 You could use some good hands on practice and start seeing for yourself. Instead of trying to talk others into building what you come up with. I have never found anything that you have shown creditable for you are lacking the hands on experience, and it shows.
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With out a dream, there can be no vision.

Alan

BAHammer; You call this harassment? HAH!! It looks like he is trying to get you to build something. My mother would of said something like.
 Quit using you head as a hat rack, and get out and do some work.

I also notice on that string of yours. Perpetual Rolling Wheel ?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4671.0
On post #8 a quote from you from the Bessler Quest forum. If this is so? It shows you as that cable guy, Jim Carry played. But for real to AB Hammer

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But Alan, if it is my design, it will be known.
Of course, I can always modify the post if I want. And I'm sure that if someone successfully built a model based on my research and I kept quiet, they would too.
This would be because I can edit my posts. And I could change the design I posted.
It's up to you and if your design is different than what I posted. If people think it is the same and you say it is different, you will lose.
Think about it and let me know.


Bessler007; I found your web page. You have it in for allot of people working on wheels. Your words no longer have any credibility.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 06, 2009, 03:09:45 PM
I just presented some evidence with the rehashing of Da Vinci's wheel; not even giving a dead man credit.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

Look again Bessler007

This is Da Vinci's
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/models/leo-whl.jpg
2 ball in a triple pointed track.

This is AB Hammer's
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3494.0
1 ball in a single chamber

Looks different to me.

More proof, your words no longer have any credibility.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 06, 2009, 03:10:46 PM
P-Motion, Jim, BA Hammer, Whatever the f*ck you're calling yourself these days,

You totally have a sick obsession with Alan. I'd be willing to bet that 75% of your posts since adopting the name "BA Hammer" have had in some way to do with Alan. Didn't your parents ever tell you that the best thing to do when you feel someone is "harassing" you is to ignore them? Apparently this idea is lost on you. Instead you go on and on ad naseum about "Alan this, that and the other thing... Whaaa!" I suspect this is because it's easier to criticize him than to confront the fact that you have had exactly zero success (probably from lack of trying anything in reality) in your quest to create a gravity powered wheel.

Now I have no position as to whether or not Alan is truly harassing you or not. I don't care, neither does anyone else. What I do know is Alan has a large body of work that is very impressive where as you have nothing more than a series of poorly drawn MS Paint drawings that rely entirely on fuzzy math and your own deranged concept of physics. I'm sure you'll reply to this post belly-aching about how everyone's ganging up on you but you need to recognize that you've brought this on yourself by constantly complaining about how Alan's "harassing you".

This is not a forum for schoolyard bickering it's a forum for discussing possible ideas for a self sustaining, gravity powered wheel. Grow up already.

hahaha, well said, well said, I was quite ammused reading that :P

But yes P-Motion, this childish behaviour needs to stop here, if it continues, you will start to loose complete respect, and will soon become a "perpetual anoyance" 

Alex
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 06, 2009, 03:25:43 PM
You just found my blog, grayone?  You're a real Shurlock Holmes.

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Bessler007; I found your web page. You have it in for allot of people working on wheels. Your words no longer have any credibility.


These are not my words.

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So you will need to build it with good precision, and then watch it go around, and around.     ...AB Hammer




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 06, 2009, 03:42:23 PM
[  Alex,
 Glad you find it funny. What you would also find funny is that Alan supports flywheel designs.
Why did he attack one ? Is this so he can say his build experience had taught him it wouldn't work ? Yep. That's because he built it. Then in this forum, he could use that to show he knows what he is talking about, credibility as he puts it.
 Tomorrow, I will have access to a scanner. I will show 2 different variations of the self rolling wheel.
One could be done with it on a stand. And I will also give the history, science and math that would show where the variation would have a better chance of working. this is where discussing an idea helps to understand it better. Something shown in the early post by alan that he does not support.
 I hope you look forward to seeing it tomorrow. I'm sure Alan is.     ;D
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 06, 2009, 05:03:58 PM
[  Alex,
 Glad you find it funny. What you would also find funny is that Alan supports flywheel designs.
Why did he attack one ? Is this so he can say his build experience had taught him it wouldn't work ? Yep. That's because he built it. Then in this forum, he could use that to show he knows what he is talking about, credibility as he puts it.
 Tomorrow, I will have access to a scanner. I will show 2 different variations of the self rolling wheel.
One could be done with it on a stand. And I will also give the history, science and math that would show where the variation would have a better chance of working. this is where discussing an idea helps to understand it better. Something shown in the early post by alan that he does not support.
 I hope you look forward to seeing it tomorrow. I'm sure Alan is.     ;D

If you have found somthing of use, then I congratulate you, if you dont show what you claim then I will see you as just another "talker" as I once was, admitedly...

Alex
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 06, 2009, 09:24:23 PM
Greetings grayone

Thanks for your help clarifying what is really going on. It seem like only a 3rd party can do this. If you need my help, let me know. By the way, never mind Bessler007, he is still pissed off at Bessler Wheel for Banning him, and any one from there is subject to his ridicule and on his blog is just fiction, I wonder when he will give my name a false interview after calling and hanging and not responding but trying to have a phone record  for his so called proof. The so called interview with Ralph was a joke. Ralph told me about a strange phone call he received that asked if he was Ralph Lortie from Bessler Wheel then seem to loose connection. This is how I know for sure of his tactics. scumbagish IMO

 Alex said it best with his message to BAHammer
If you have found somthing of use, then I congratulate you, if you dont show what you claim then I will see you as just another "talker" as I once was, admitedly...

Alex

I have gotten tired of this game of BAHammer/Jim The tactic reminds me of kids on the bus. The first kid (Jim) pinches the crap out of the other kid (Alan/me) and when I hit him in retaliation he cries, Alan is hitting me, when he started it to try to get me in trouble. But all and all it is hard to ignore.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 07, 2009, 03:43:27 AM
The so called interview with Ralph was a joke. Ralph told me about a strange phone call he received that asked if he was Ralph Lortie from Bessler Wheel then seem to loose connection. This is how I know for sure of his tactics. scumbagish IMO

You had to check with Ralph?  The disclaimer didn't give it away?  Too funny.

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Disclaimer: Any resemblance of any characters in this interview with actual human beings is purely coincidental.

You are a bright one, or you think you are.

Nice attempt to divert the point.   It's a yes or no question.

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I wonder when he will give my name a false interview

You just don't rise to that level, AB.

When you made this point up thread:

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I am not sure if you know this, but the C inside of the circle means registered copyright. If it is not properly registered you need to remove the circle. If I am not mistaken.

. . . you were mistaken.

When you made this point:

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I knew you wouldn't check it out, and for those who would like to know about the copyright emblem question. Here is the link. I was partly mistaken. When I have a question, I look it up

It didn't sound like a question.  It sounded like you 'knew' what you were talking about.  We saw you were taking out your ralph.

You lied when you said you were partly mistaken.  You were entirely mistaken.  Partly my ralph.  For those of you who would like to know "about the copyright emblem question?"  lol  And you cite a wiki answer post?



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 07, 2009, 03:56:09 AM
You had to check with Ralph?  The disclaimer didn't give it away?  Too funny.

You are a bright one, or you think you are.

Nice attempt to divert the point.   It's a yes or no question.

You just don't rise to that level, AB.

When you made this point up thread:

. . . you were mistaken.

When you made this point:
.

It didn't sound like a question.  It sounded like you 'knew' what you were talking about.  We saw you were taking out your ralph.

You lied when you said you were partly mistaken.  You were entirely mistaken.  Partly my ralph.  For those of you who would like to know "about the copyright emblem question?"  lol  And you cite a wiki answer post?



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

I am just human, and being human I make mistakes, but I will own up to them. But IMO you bessler007 are acting like a mistake. I knew about the call long before I ever read your blog and I couldn't help but to laugh and laugh it was so ridicules. I personally think you need some form of happy pill desperately. You are letting this grudge destroy you, from the inside out.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 07, 2009, 04:34:33 AM
Well, we could be getting some where here.  When did you own up to that lie you told
Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:11 am @ besslerwheel?

Could you cite the specific apology?

I'm sure you're confused by all this posting yet greyone was looking for evidence of your lying and I simply pointed it out.


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

edit:  There is a a very subtle point to be made here.  It just occurred to me.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 07, 2009, 02:41:26 PM
Well, we could be getting some where here.  When did you own up to that lie you told
Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:11 am @ besslerwheel?

Could you cite the specific apology?

I'm sure you're confused by all this posting yet greyone was looking for evidence of your lying and I simply pointed it out.


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB


edit:  There is a a very subtle point to be made here.  It just occurred to me.

Sorry!! Due to your constant lying and deceiving, trying to play the grand inquisitor! Bessler007. As grayone said, your words no longer have any credibility.

 IMO, YOUR WORDS NO LONGER HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY. This may be the only response you will receive from me until you quit your bull $#!+ !! 
 When you start something more constructive like when I first use to talk to you, we can regroup and talk again.  Remember I was not your problem at Bessler Wheel and you started attacking me here on Over Unity. The evidence is clear, you where banned from there and I was not. I am still in good standings and respected. I am sure you have sneaked back in under a different name to spy. I would suspect, doe to some PMs I know who you are.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 07, 2009, 03:51:25 PM
Well, Alan Bauloree, I'll take you at your word that you'll stop trying to defend your indefensible position.

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IMO, YOUR WORDS NO LONGER HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY. This may be the only response you will receive from me until you quit your bull $#!+ !!

You seem a bit confused but I don't mind lending a hand.  I won't quibble over your assessment of the words but they aren't mine.  They're yours.  You need to stop projecting your words and your personal attributes on me.

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So you will need to build it with good precision, and then watch it go around, and around.     ...Alan Bauloree, Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:11 am @ besslerwheel

I understand it's not easy to man-up and admit you're a damn liar but you said you had no problem with that:

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I am just human, and being human I make mistakes, but I will own up to them.

I'm very curious if your words have any meaning.  It doesn't appear they do but I'll give it some time before I reach a conclusion.  Have you ever owned up to that lie yet?  Would you like to man-up and do it here?

I don't like jumping to conclusions as it seems is your habit.  It also appears you're projecting your anger on me.

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By the way, never mind Bessler007, he is still pissed off at Bessler Wheel for Banning him.

I'm not angry at all; just curious.  You do seem rather pissed though.  If you could do me a favor stop projecting your anger on me.  It reminds me of when you accused degreed physicists of being ignorant of physics on another forum.  Very silly.  Stop this silliness, Alan Bauloree.

I do have every intention of making the subtle point I spoke of earlier.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 07, 2009, 04:08:28 PM
Sorry!! Due to your constant lying and deceiving, trying to play the grand inquisitor! Bessler007. As grayone said, your words no longer have any credibility.

 IMO, YOUR WORDS NO LONGER HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY. This may be the only response you will receive from me until you quit your bull $#!+ !! 
 When you start something more constructive like when I first use to talk to you, we can regroup and talk again.  Remember I was not your problem at Bessler Wheel and you started attacking me here on Over Unity. The evidence is clear, you where banned from there and I was not. I am still in good standings and respected. I am sure you have sneaked back in under a different name to spy. I would suspect, doe to some PMs I know who you are.


  Alan,
 I'm not mad at Besslerwheel for banning me. How many times have you brought that up ? I haven't.
I have tried working on build ideas. And you always repeat yourself saying they won't work or using math is a bad idea. That does get old.
 I did originally post that a self rolling wheel might not work, but might still be worth discussing.
 an example is if a wheel is 1 meter in dimater. With 4kg's of weight in the center and if it's linear motion was 1 meter per second, the weight at the axle would have the value 4kg's times 1 meter per second. Using Newton's p=mv here.
 If the 4kg's of weight is made to be 2-2kg weights and moved to the outside of the wheel, then their value is 4kg's times 3 meters per second. The outside of the wheel spins faster than it's linear movement.
 This would give the same amount of weight about 3 times the momentum. This is why I think using flywheels is not a good idea. It seems they develop less force for the same amount of over balance.
 I posted a drawing of this. The next step would be to use levers. And once again, by using math, a basis for a design can be configured as in the 2nd drawing. And the 3rd drawing shows the end result.
 Mathematically, it will work very well. even if it only rotates at 5 or 10 rpm's. And that is more than any proven design has been capable of maintaining.
 I've always found that being able to discuss things with people helps me to better understand this type of mechanics.
 And of course, if the 3rd drawing works, it is something I think will support Bessler.

edited to modify pictures
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 07, 2009, 04:58:33 PM
Interesting idea, Jim.

I won't put all the elaboration into this subtle point I mentioned earlier as it seems there's something on the table for discussion now, yet the point should be made.

Alan Bauloree made this direct statement concerning copyrights:

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I am not sure if you know this, but the C inside of the circle means registered copyright. If it is not properly registered you need to remove the circle. If I am not mistaken.

. . . in a very authoritative manner.  What motivates someone to police others making sure they dot their t's and cross their i's? 

After researching the matter and settling for a wiki answer as opposed to one from uspto, he crawfished his position with this nonsense:

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I knew you wouldn't check it out, and for those who would like to know about the copyright emblem question. Here is the link. I was partly mistaken. When I have a question, I look it up.

Didn't sound like a question initially.

What motivates someone to suggest another put the art of their craft in a public forum unprotected?  I can only think of 2 reasons:

1.  Ignorance
2.  Desire to cannibalize other people's intellectual property

I won't pretend to know what Alan Bauloree's motivation was or that I've listed all possibilities.  I will forward this to the psychological department of MIB to see what conclusion they come to.

Again, interesting idea Jim.


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 07, 2009, 06:22:24 PM
Bessler007

IMO, YOUR WORDS NO LONGER HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY.


BAHammer/Jim

You stated >>You (I) always repeat yourself (myself) saying they won't work or using math is a bad idea. That does get old.<<

 If I was saying just that, you wold be correct. But that is not what I have been saying. Using "ONLY" math is a bad idea in this game, for math has never solved it. There are other factors that have to be understood and then the math can be corrected. Now for they won't work statement, this is due to I may have already tried it or something similar, not to mention physical experience tells you allot.

I hope this will at least clear up that idea. I had said you had posted the best I have seen "YOU" post. Understand. I never said that they would work, nor do I have need for others ideas, I have enough already. I offer help openly which is clear from my post if you pay attention. If someone else gets the wheel before me I will congratulate them. I will just try to design a better one for only the most powerful one will survive the competition cumming. Just a little insight to the future.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 07, 2009, 06:36:52 PM
This just back from PsyDpt of MIB.

ANALYSIS:
  Subject is having s e x with acorns.

They're your words, not mine.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Rabid Hamster on March 07, 2009, 06:52:06 PM
This just back from PsyDpt of MIB.

ANALYSIS:
  Subject is having s e x with acorns.

They're your words, not mine.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

Bessler007  - I've never seen someone as full of shit as you in my entire life!!  How do you get that out of what was said?  Here's some words for you ---- YOU ARE A MORON!!!!  As far as the whole Men in Black -- there's another load of shit you are trying to shovel off on people that will never believe that you are anything but a joke.  Get a life!!!
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 07, 2009, 06:52:54 PM
This just back from PsyDpt of MIB.

ANALYSIS:
  Subject is having s e x with acorns.

They're your words, not mine.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

IMO, YOUR WORDS NO LONGER HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 07, 2009, 07:52:35 PM
Bessler007  - I've never seen someone as full of shit as you in my entire life!!  How do you get that out of what was said?  Here's some words for you ---- YOU ARE A MORON!!!!  As far as the whole Men in Black -- there's another load of shit you are trying to shovel off on people that will never believe that you are anything but a joke.  Get a life!!!

Hello Rabid Hamster,

This might really clear up the matter.  Someone having s e x with acrons is fuckin' nuts.

You can have  your words back.  They suit you better.  By the way do you kiss your mother with that mouth?   lol  If you'd like to take a gander at a moron that's really full of shit, look in the mirror.

When you get a spare moment look up parody.

By the way, what do you think of Jim's design?




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 07, 2009, 07:55:11 PM
IMO, YOUR WORDS NO LONGER HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY.


If that were true you wouldn't keep stuttering the same mantra.  But they are your words, not mine, that you're projecting the lack of credibility on. 

Here's the short list:

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So you will need to build it with good precision, and then watch it go around, and around.     ...Alan Bauloree, Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:11 am @ besslerwheel

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I am not sure if you know this, but the C inside of the circle means registered copyright. If it is not properly registered you need to remove the circle. If I am not mistaken.

Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 07, 2009, 09:12:00 PM
I am just human, and being human I make mistakes, but I will own up to them. But IMO you bessler007 are acting like a mistake. I knew about the call long before I ever read your blog and I couldn't help but to laugh and laugh it was so ridicules. I personally think you need some form of happy pill desperately. You are letting this grudge destroy you, from the inside out.

Alan, thats so strange, I read in my daily readings magazine today, holding grudges and bittnerness is self destroying, Bessler007, lets not hold grudges of any kind for any reason, as hard as it somtimes may be, we just have forgive and forget... At least you are not banned from here :)

Alex
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 08, 2009, 02:26:33 AM
Bessler007; You really are a peace of work. :o Your the type restraining orders were meant for. What you are doing is like, Charlie Manson prosecuting the judge. You didn't cross all the T's  Guilty!!! life in prison.
 AB Hammer said never mind you. But you are a sicko. from my observation. All I can say is that it's a shame that there are no online restraining orders.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 08, 2009, 02:34:35 AM
Alexioco

. . .I also see him constantly accusing AB Hammer of lying and stealing. There is no evidence of that either.

. . .

I think I adequately answered your question of Alan lying, Grayone.  A forum is a place to exchange ideas.  Your idea was there was no evidence.  Actually you were mistaken.  I usually charge for this sort of research but you can have a freebie.

Do you have any other questions I can help you with?




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

edit:

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Bessler007; You really are a peace of work. Shocked Your(sic) the type restraining orders were meant for. What you are doing is like, Charlie Manson prosecuting the judge. You didn't cross all the T's  Guilty!!! life in prison.
 AB Hammer said never mind you. But you are a sicko. from my observation. All I can say is that it's a shame that there are no online restraining orders.

Now you review everything I've said in this thread, grayone.  See if I ever made the sort of judgmental baseless accusations you did in the above post.  Once I gave someone back the same they gave me and the evidence is clear Alan lied.  Not once did I rise to the level of attack that I've had leveled at me.  And I'm the sicko?

I said dot the t's, not cross them.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 08, 2009, 03:10:13 AM
Bessler007; AB Hammer said he had made mistakes and you call them lies. I read your blog and as far as I can tell it is nothing but lies. So from my observation, you remind me of the criminal trying to execute someone for a traffic violation. I hope you now understand that is why I say. Your words no longer have any credibility. And because of people like you I may not show my wheel. At least not here.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 08, 2009, 03:12:46 AM
I think I adequately answered your question of Alan lying, Grayone.  A forum is a place to exchange ideas.  Your idea was there was no evidence.  Actually you were mistaken.  I usually charge for this sort of research but you can have a freebie.

Do you have any other questions I can help you with?




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

edit:

Now you review everything I've said in this thread, grayone.  See if I ever made the sort of judgmental baseless accusations you did in the above post.  Once I gave someone back the same they gave me and the evidence is clear Alan lied.  Not once did I rise to the level of attack that I've had leveled at me.  And I'm the sicko?

I said dot the t's, not cross them.

Bessler007
I agree you are sick, and I will never admit I am a lier like you. There is a big difference between making a mistake and a bald face lie!

Grayone
The biggest problem is he is sure that I am very close to building a running wheel, and he will do everything possible to discredit me because of that. That is the reason I said pay him no mind, for he is a pathetic sole. IMO
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 08, 2009, 03:38:30 AM
Certainly you do what you want to do.   

You'd have to cite a specific example before I could address it.  I sure could defend it point by point.


By the way I just received an intergalactic fax from your mother with the pics from the last family reunion.  I'm attaching one of you.  Were you smiling?




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB


edit:  got cheese?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 08, 2009, 03:40:43 AM
AB Hammer; I hope you are close, but I don't think there is anything that can shut up these people like Bessler007. The next thing they will do is start shouting it's a fraud. Doesn't give you much hope for the human race.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 08, 2009, 03:44:13 AM
 Leach007  Zit007  Zero007 I am just looking for a better description of you.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 08, 2009, 03:53:22 AM
AB Hammer; I hope you are close, ..

Hope in one hand and extrude alan out your ralph in the other and see which fills up the fastest.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 08, 2009, 04:34:04 AM
Here is the link for Bessler007 and AB Hammer on overunity.com

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3932.msg73539#msg73539

Post 3 through 6
Bessler007's first contact with AB Hammer on overunity.com
AB Hammer was being polite but Bessler007 proved to be a jerk with first contact.

This pretty much proves that you have it in for allot of people from the Bessler wheel forum. I went through your post and found it. There is nothing more to say just read 3 through 6, it tells it all.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 08, 2009, 05:26:37 AM
only the liars.


« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2008, 05:12:04 AM »

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5 years for Scott and the BesslerWheel.com congradulations.


Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:12 am

I am the guilty one that predicted 2008
as well as some others. But the year is not done yet. ;)

It is now.

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May 20, 2008, 12:00:25 PM

My approach is like, WM2D means "Wood, Metal & 2 Days" (Ralph Lortie)

But when everything is this simple and ready. 15 minutes to an hour.

Just precisely what the fuck's the hold up?


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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:36 pm    Post subject: Here it is, Bessler's 12 ft wheel

Yes! this wheel will work. (No doughts) at about 20 rounds a minute. I am also building a 1/3 scale model that I will post by Christmas.

hello guilty ones.
Please, stop spewing alan out your ralph.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB


Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 08, 2009, 02:36:35 PM
Bessler007

This is what you wrote and obviously believe in. But the volume of your rep is LIAR  and here you admit it, for all you are doing is politics.
    
Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2009, 02:40:25 PM »

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Here is a good lesson you might feel free to learn.  Don't try to speak to reality causing it to bend to your desires in the area of physics.  Politics is another matter.  That's an area where liars and thieves accuse others of being what they are and force everyone to accept their declarations with the volume of their repetition.

Your own words Bessler007
 A person who is afraid of telling who he really is, hiding behind his handle.

I am Alan Bauldree, A person who is not afraid of telling who he really is.


only the liars.


« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2008, 05:12:04 AM »

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5 years for Scott and the BesslerWheel.com congradulations.


Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:12 am

I am the guilty one that predicted 2008 as well as some others. But the year is not done yet. Wink

It is now.

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May 20, 2008, 12:00:25 PM

My approach is like, WM2D means "Wood, Metal & 2 Days" (Ralph Lortie)

But when everything is this simple and ready. 15 minutes to an hour.

Just precisely what the fuck's the hold up?


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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:36 pm    Post subject: Here it is, Bessler's 12 ft wheel

Yes! this wheel will work. (No doughts) at about 20 rounds a minute. I am also building a 1/3 scale model that I will post by Christmas.

hello guilty ones.
Please, stop spewing alan out your ralph.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB


Now for your latest accusations

1. Simply being Optimistic.

2. This is out of context but it is not saying anything but a test.

3.Ah yeas the the Bessler's 12 ft wheel. A very good string to read.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3503.0
I also still believe it will work. Just not with the shooters shown. and you posted on Bessler wheel as well, saying.

From Bessler007
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Hello Alan,

I took a quick look at the wheel with that crutch wm2d. I set the weights on the rim at 3 kilos. They are reasonably well balanced as you say. I set the larger blue weights at 10 kilo. When the blue weights aren't present the wheel has a c. cw. spin with torque very close to the axle.

With the blue weights present the sys center of mass is where it's indicated. Probably worth a build. It does remind me of Georg's mouse on a tread mill wheel.

I agree with Fletcher that it's great you're willing to share the idea.

So what happened to that Bessler007 that use to hold good conversation and would put things to the test?

I truly feel enough has now been said.


Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 08, 2009, 02:59:28 PM
I have been on this forum for almost 2 years.  When I first joined, I met the original AB Hammer.  He was very helpful and kind to me and I even spoke to him on the phone several times.

Now I see this crap going on and I also see someone using a screen name very close to Alan's.  I also know that his person used to post here under a different name.

So, I am saying that, from what I know about Alan, and the fact that this other person has to resort to using a pseudo-copy of Alan's screen name to attempt to belittle him, I have seen enough and had to speak up in Alan's defense. (Not that he needs anyone to defend him)

I know Alan to be a good and sincere fellow and I believe the actions of this other person speak for themselves.

Bill
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 08, 2009, 03:48:51 PM
I have been on this forum for almost 2 years.  When I first joined, I met the original AB Hammer.  He was very helpful and kind to me and I even spoke to him on the phone several times.

Now I see this crap going on and I also see someone using a screen name very close to Alan's.  I also know that his person used to post here under a different name.

So, I am saying that, from what I know about Alan, and the fact that this other person has to resort to using a pseudo-copy of Alan's screen name to attempt to belittle him, I have seen enough and had to speak up in Alan's defense. (Not that he needs anyone to defend him)

I know Alan to be a good and sincere fellow and I believe the actions of this other person speak for themselves.

Bill

Agreed.

Bessler007, what kind of miserable loser are you that you have all of this time to dedicate to trying to tear someone down just for the sake of tearing them down? I've found that people who engage in such activities are usually deeply self-consious and lack any self esteem. Because of this they project their poor self image on others in an attempt to make them feel better about themselves. Pretty pitiful really. What's wrong Bessler007? Did your parents make you start doing chores in lieu of rent for that basement apartment you've been living in?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 09, 2009, 04:24:52 AM
This declassified document just came across my desk.  It's been stripped of all the sensitive (ie:  whinny bitch ass comments) leaving only the intelligence (sensible comment/question) worth addressing.

erickdt, I'm glad you asked.

A certain subject who has been classified as “having s e x with acorns” was sucking up to his mentor with this tripe:

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You got it wrong. Ralph has been at this for around 50 years so he sits in the teacher's position and there are others here who also sit in the teacher's position. Those of us who are fresh at this game need these teachers and need to understand and respect there experience. Now! don't start calling me the teachers pet either.

This led to an investigation of what was being taught.  We uncovered the teaching of this tactic; when the pm “researcher” makes claims then have their feet held to the fire they crawfish.  This was the mentors initial claim:

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We assumed that after running for five days, we had surpassed the several hour test...

After having his feet held to the fire by several “stray dogs scratching on my door” in his words he employed the tactic of crawfishing with this:

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I did not view the wheel for five days, it is approximately 2,100 miles from my abode.

We suspect that abode is under some rock out west.

Apparently the actual fraudulent wheel was situated at his spam-sucking trailer trash assistants abode:

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He lives in a trailer park and privacy is at a premium.

The most significant thing this survivor of a conscience-ectomy  said was this:

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How do you feel you can help me achieve what I want or need. I need finances for better material to build with and some tooling replacement.

Red flags go up immediately when pm “researchers” even hint at needing funds.  This mentor is a lay-about with a working wife according to last reports.  Quite shiftless.

besslerwheel is usually rather punctual at banning frauds of this sort yet this particular one of the mentor,  his assistant and student must have escaped their notice.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 09, 2009, 12:24:53 PM
Agreed.

Bessler007, what kind of miserable loser are you that you have all of this time to dedicate to trying to tear someone down just for the sake of tearing them down? I've found that people who engage in such activities are usually deeply self-consious and lack any self esteem. Because of this they project their poor self image on others in an attempt to make them feel better about themselves. Pretty pitiful really. What's wrong Bessler007? Did your parents make you start doing chores in lieu of rent for that basement apartment you've been living in?

  eric,
 What Pirate Bill has left out is that Alan wanted to meet us. me and Bill both live in Kentucky. Alan wanted us to travel to Mississippi. Needless to say, the meeting never took place.
 I can also pull up posts where Alan said I'll need to learn to dance for the public and I didn't know what he was talking about.
 What he was talking about was he was trying something along the lines I was discussing. This way, if it works, he'd give credit where due. And if it doesn't, he's safe from having tried something by saying I don't know what I'm talking about. I call that walking on both sides of the fence.
 One way he does this is by saying I said something about Mt 24. And what it is, is he is wanting me to clarify something for him. Instead, he should be willing to do what everybody else in here does and be willing to discuss things.
 He has said several times that i want him to build for me. Nope. he's not a carpenter. And Bessler said it would take a good carpenter. This is where Alan flatters himself.
 In reality, to do a decent build, it only takes a s aw, drill and some hand tools. Most of the wood that would is already cut by a mill to precise dimensions, ie. thickness, width, etc. That would be the most important part. What is more important than that is understanding the engineering. And this is where someone trying to jump the gun and build before the engineering is properly understood creates problems. They need to say it won't work for a vague reason (keel effect) while wanting something they don't understand put into terms they can work with. Playing both ends against the middle doesn't work very well.
 Myself, to my discredit, have discussed my builds openly before I built them. And Alan knows that when i discuss i9dea's that I will do abuild on them. So why as in G-Force did he keep telling me that he proved wheels like Mt 24 were proven to be non-runners by his build ?
 If you ask me, he was trying to figure out how to build it. As he put it, he is like Bessler and in time will reveal his secrets. Which his secrets will also require me to learn to dance for the public.
 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 09, 2009, 02:09:22 PM
  eric,
 What Pirate Bill has left out is that Alan wanted to meet us. me and Bill both live in Kentucky. Alan wanted us to travel to Mississippi. Needless to say, the meeting never took place.
 I can also pull up posts where Alan said I'll need to learn to dance for the public and I didn't know what he was talking about.
 What he was talking about was he was trying something along the lines I was discussing. This way, if it works, he'd give credit where due. And if it doesn't, he's safe from having tried something by saying I don't know what I'm talking about. I call that walking on both sides of the fence.
 One way he does this is by saying I said something about Mt 24. And what it is, is he is wanting me to clarify something for him. Instead, he should be willing to do what everybody else in here does and be willing to discuss things.
 He has said several times that i want him to build for me. Nope. he's not a carpenter. And Bessler said it would take a good carpenter. This is where Alan flatters himself.
 In reality, to do a decent build, it only takes a s aw, drill and some hand tools. Most of the wood that would is already cut by a mill to precise dimensions, ie. thickness, width, etc. That would be the most important part. What is more important than that is understanding the engineering. And this is where someone trying to jump the gun and build before the engineering is properly understood creates problems. They need to say it won't work for a vague reason (keel effect) while wanting something they don't understand put into terms they can work with. Playing both ends against the middle doesn't work very well.
 Myself, to my discredit, have discussed my builds openly before I built them. And Alan knows that when i discuss i9dea's that I will do abuild on them. So why as in G-Force did he keep telling me that he proved wheels like Mt 24 were proven to be non-runners by his build ?
 If you ask me, he was trying to figure out how to build it. As he put it, he is like Bessler and in time will reveal his secrets. Which his secrets will also require me to learn to dance for the public.
 

BAHammer

 You are making me laugh. You never get the story strait. I don't live in Mississippi. LOL
OH yes you said I am not a carpenter and I don't know about woodwork. LMAO  I have built buildings, done roofing, rebuilt Revolutionary war cannon carriages, done electrical work, and lost and lost of maintenance work. And lets straiten out another story. I said back then you would be welcome to come down, but you are no longer welcome. As for the meeting I said I have my leather supplier up in KY. and we all could meet in KY on one of my trips.

Bessler said it could be built by a carpenter's apprentice of 1 year.

Here is a test for you and anyone else that will teach you what you seem not to understand. Make a T bar. Put the center part in something that turns like a bearing mounted in wood or a vice. Mount a weight on each end and balance it. Then spin it. It will spin for a while. The bend one side down just a little and spin it again. Now look at what position it will stop. Turn it back up and let go and it will end up in the same position. This simple effect is what kills most wheels, and you can find it in all non runners that uses dropping weights weather it be on pendulum arms or free fall. The words I use is KEEL EFFECT!. Now if you finally come up with something new I will check it out. But until then, I will be busy building wheels.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 09, 2009, 02:32:25 PM
  Alan,
 When you were in the accident with the 18 wheeler, did someone die ?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 09, 2009, 02:51:00 PM
  Alan,
 When you were in the accident with the 18 wheeler, did someone die ?


OK on this one you mixed 2 different stories. I was in a head on collision in 1996. A drunk driver crossed the center line and hit me. He was driving a pickup at estimated 65 mph and I was in a car at about 45 mph in the rain. He crossed at the last moment which gave me no reaction time 110mph impact. No one died but I now have bad legs and he doesn't have his at all.
 I told you about my cousin here in LA. who got in an accident with a tanker truck and all was burned up, of course no survivors.

And yes I know you where being sarcastic. I have learned it is better just to tell what happened and go on, despite of sarcastic questions. The real miracle was we both lived when most would not have lived at all.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 09, 2009, 05:11:23 PM
OK on this one you mixed 2 different stories. I was in a head on collision in 1996. A drunk driver crossed the center line and hit me. He was driving a pickup at estimated 65 mph and I was in a car at about 45 mph in the rain. He crossed at the last moment which gave me no reaction time 110mph impact. No one died but I now have bad legs and he doesn't have his at all.
 I told you about my cousin here in LA. who got in an accident with a tanker truck and all was burned up, of course no survivors.

And yes I know you where being sarcastic. I have learned it is better just to tell what happened and go on, despite of sarcastic questions. The real miracle was we both lived when most would not have lived at all.


  This shows how little you know Alan.
 My brother lost his parents and his only sibling when he was about 21. Then he met my sister.
Then she died. I know other people who have had similar experiences.
 Yet, I have not seen him carry on the way you have in this forum.
 To be explicit. Ralph has posted he is in this for profit. The people he works with are investors.
This is an open forum. This means if myself or others wish to discuss things without you orchestrating a hierarchy where you give yourself a prominent position, we can do so.
 When Ralph does a build for someone, he can claim patent rights. All he has to do is say he modified their design.
 You mentioned legalities when I put a copyright symbol on my drawings. This shows you are aware of the law as well as Ralph would be. Most people in here are not aware that a legal agreement should be in place before engaging in a design discussion with someone when a patent might be pursued.
 As for you, 2 things. One is a Trojan Horse and the other is a sheep in wolf's clothing.
You can be as friendly and helpful as possible. but as in the California Gold Rush, Sutter made no money from discovering gold. Most of the miners didn't either. it was the businessmen like you and Ralph who profited the most.
 And as to your levered wheel build, that is an Mt 24 with most of the levers removed to conceal what you were doing. ie., Trojan Horse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_horse
 After all Alan, you are nobody's friend, you're in this for yourself. You just use ralph to promote yourself. But if you think Mt 24 can work, you would have no problem building it then giving credit to who you wish to. You often say that, you believe in giving credit where it's due. this is to help legitamize undermining people in this forum.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 09, 2009, 06:27:21 PM
  This shows how little you know Alan.
 My brother lost his parents and his only sibling when he was about 21. Then he met my sister.
Then she died. I know other people who have had similar experiences.
 Yet, I have not seen him carry on the way you have in this forum.
 To be explicit. Ralph has posted he is in this for profit. The people he works with are investors.
This is an open forum. This means if myself or others wish to discuss things without you orchestrating a hierarchy where you give yourself a prominent position, we can do so.
 When Ralph does a build for someone, he can claim patent rights. All he has to do is say he modified their design.
 You mentioned legalities when I put a copyright symbol on my drawings. This shows you are aware of the law as well as Ralph would be. Most people in here are not aware that a legal agreement should be in place before engaging in a design discussion with someone when a patent might be pursued.
 As for you, 2 things. One is a Trojan Horse and the other is a sheep in wolf's clothing.
You can be as friendly and helpful as possible. but as in the California Gold Rush, Sutter made no money from discovering gold. Most of the miners didn't either. it was the businessmen like you and Ralph who profited the most.
 And as to your levered wheel build, that is an Mt 24 with most of the levers removed to conceal what you were doing. ie., Trojan Horse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_horse
 After all Alan, you are nobody's friend, you're in this for yourself. You just use ralph to promote yourself. But if you think Mt 24 can work, you would have no problem building it then giving credit to who you wish to. You often say that, you believe in giving credit where it's due. this is to help legitamize undermining people in this forum.

What the heck are you talking about?

>>as to your levered wheel build, that is an Mt 24 with most of the levers removed to conceal what you were doing. ie., Trojan Horse.<<

You are talking like a $#!+ salesman with a mouth full of samples. MT24 is not a running wheel. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got to get back to work, but this made a good laugh for my lunch break.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 09, 2009, 08:30:50 PM
What the heck are you talking about?

>>as to your levered wheel build, that is an Mt 24 with most of the levers removed to conceal what you were doing. ie., Trojan Horse.<<

You are talking like a $#!+ salesman with a mouth full of samples. MT24 is not a running wheel. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got to get back to work, but this made a good laugh for my lunch break.

  alan,
 It's like you said in Museum of Hoaxes, if someone abandons an idea, it's okay if you build it.
The patent laws are what they are. If you improve on someone's idea, the patent is yours.
 And considering I do have cancer, why would I be sarcastic about an accident ? Considering I survived a near fatal accident when I was ran over, why would I cause someone else problems ? But in Museum of Hoaxes, you did say you were in a head on collision with an 18 wheeler when I said I was ran over by a van. that post is still there. But I'm not going to waste my time with it or you anymore.
 If people are that blind to your ways, then they deserve what happens to them.

@Bessler 007, in the open source thread, I suggested to Ralph about building Mt 25. he said no, it won't work. It has 2 weights hanging at the bottom. He found a simple reason to not discuss the idea. The discussion would have been free. Bottom line in my opinion, he and his friends can't patent a Bessler wheel.
 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 09, 2009, 10:31:06 PM
  alan,
 It's like you said in Museum of Hoaxes, if someone abandons an idea, it's okay if you build it.
The patent laws are what they are. If you improve on someone's idea, the patent is yours.
 And considering I do have cancer, why would I be sarcastic about an accident ? Considering I survived a near fatal accident when I was ran over, why would I cause someone else problems ? But in Museum of Hoaxes, you did say you were in a head on collision with an 18 wheeler when I said I was ran over by a van. that post is still there. But I'm not going to waste my time with it or you anymore.
 If people are that blind to your ways, then they deserve what happens to them.

@Bessler 007, in the open source thread, I suggested to Ralph about building Mt 25. he said no, it won't work. It has 2 weights hanging at the bottom. He found a simple reason to not discuss the idea. The discussion would have been free. Bottom line in my opinion, he and his friends can't patent a Bessler wheel.
 

Jim
You need to do some rereading in the Museum of Hoaxes. And since the MTs are in public domain it would have to be a distinctive change to patent any of it. This information has always known by myself and Ralph. Sorry to here about your cancer. I hope you get over it.

 to everybody

 The facts are when Ralph and Jim got into an argument and I had to side with Ralph due to Jim was out of line he turned on me for ever more. The real facts.


Edited to correct spell check LOL
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 10, 2009, 12:32:52 AM
Jim
You need to do some rereading in the Museum of Hoaxes. And since the MTs are in public domain it would have to be a distinctive change to patent any of it. This information has always known by myself and Ralph. Sorry to here about your cancer. I hope you get over it.

 to everybody

 The facts are when Ralph and Jim got into an argument and I had to side with Ralph due to Jim was out of line he turned on me for ever more. The real facts.


Edited to correct spell check LOL

  Alan,
>>And since the MTs are in public domain it would have to be a distinctive change to patent any of it.<<

 You and Ralph claim to have proven none of Bessler's wheels can work. No need to worry about patents.
  Alan, look at how many pages I have been ragged on for not being nicer to you. I'm the one with cancer. If discussing different ways Mt 24 helps me to relax, what's the problem with that ? It shouldn't have been in G-Force. But that was discussing inertia and different ways to negate it.
 Not sure, but if you were anything about my condition, i think it would've shown before now.
 Just as this thread has become about you. What can I do to make you happy ?
 As for me and Ralph being in an argument, I don't think we really have been in one since BesslerWheel.
 You are the one who keeps using his name. I'm surprised he hasn't said somehting unless he does support your attacks on me.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 10, 2009, 02:27:49 AM
  Alan,
>>And since the MTs are in public domain it would have to be a distinctive change to patent any of it.<<

 You and Ralph claim to have proven none of Bessler's wheels can work. No need to worry about patents.
  Alan, look at how many pages I have been ragged on for not being nicer to you. I'm the one with cancer. If discussing different ways Mt 24 helps me to relax, what's the problem with that ? It shouldn't have been in G-Force. But that was discussing inertia and different ways to negate it.
 Not sure, but if you were anything about my condition, i think it would've shown before now.
 Just as this thread has become about you. What can I do to make you happy ?
 As for me and Ralph being in an argument, I don't think we really have been in one since BesslerWheel.
 You are the one who keeps using his name. I'm surprised he hasn't said somehting unless he does support your attacks on me.

Jim
 As normal you start something and then gripe about being attacked. I was trying to compliment you and you took it sceptically. and then when I was trying to correct something I said you attacked me. Only once did I ever go on the offensive and that is because we where already in a heated argument on another forum, you trying to claim what I was doing with MY WHEEL !! to be your, an attempt at theft in my eyes and anyone else. 

>>And this from someone who said they were going to patent my self rolling wheel. Am I missing something ?<<

So again I had to retaliate for you where calling me a thief again. You just remember, this dog don't role over. Your sickness has nothing to do with the truth here. It is your problem and I hope you get over it.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 10, 2009, 03:45:47 AM
Hello Jim,

Ralph is on record saying he helps people with the intent of getting something that might be useful to him.  Several of his designs are very minor modifications of other people's ideas.  I forget the thread but I recall once someone was discussing an idea that seemed promising and Ralph hijacked the discussion and took it to a private forum.

I don't mind but I do notice.

Strange group of people no doubt and various motivations.  I'd guess there aren't too many people motivated by humanitarian reasons alone.

I am fascinated by a couple of things.  Some learn a little mechanics and imagine they're wizards knowing something that no one else knows.  A little bit of motion goes to their heads.  Like kids watching fireworks.

Another thing is the extreme some go to claim ideas that are of very little value.  A petty thief at least is getting something of value.  Oh well, what can you do.  I shouldn't get as much satisfaction out of making fun of them as I do but I can't help myself.

Good luck with your build.  I'm in the middle of one myself.  It's a sure runner, I tell you.  lol


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 10, 2009, 12:19:34 PM
Jim
 As normal you start something and then gripe about being attacked. I was trying to compliment you and you took it sceptically. and then when I was trying to correct something I said you attacked me. Only once did I ever go on the offensive and that is because we where already in a heated argument on another forum, you trying to claim what I was doing with MY WHEEL !! to be your, an attempt at theft in my eyes and anyone else. 

>>And this from someone who said they were going to patent my self rolling wheel. Am I missing something ?<<

So again I had to retaliate for you where calling me a thief again. You just remember, this dog don't role over. Your sickness has nothing to do with the truth here. It is your problem and I hope you get over it.

  alan,
 you should really consider what you're saying. I was trying to discuss my current build.
Now it's about how you have the right to say what you want to me even though I am sick.
 This pretty much shows you have no conscience and will come up with whatever you have to to justify your actions.
 I think your last post pretty much shows everyone in here what kind of person you really are.

 @007, you'd think in this day and age, some people could grow up and mind their own business.  ;D
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: hammuraby on March 10, 2009, 01:06:00 PM
I am italian, and if I have to read everything....god !
can you say where, (what #number of post) there is write something that can be intresting ??
if there is....bahummer,or abhummer ??
mammamia...
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 10, 2009, 01:14:19 PM
  alan,
 you should really consider what you're saying. I was trying to discuss my current build.
Now it's about how you have the right to say what you want to me even though I am sick.
 This pretty much shows you have no conscience and will come up with whatever you have to to justify your actions.
 I think your last post pretty much shows everyone in here what kind of person you really are.

 @007, you'd think in this day and age, some people could grow up and mind their own business.  ;D


 Jim
Stop the self pity thing! You have it in you to beet this sickness. Self pity causes people to quit fighting, and if you do, the sickness will win. So stop the self pity.  Build your wheel and prove me wrong. 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 10, 2009, 02:41:31 PM
Jim
Stop the self pity thing! You have it in you to beet this sickness. Self pity causes people to quit fighting, and if you do, the sickness will win. So stop the self pity.  Build your wheel and prove me wrong. 

  Alan,
 it's not self pity.
I'll post what I said about the self rolling wheel and what you said. Because when it comes to Mt 24, you say something different.
 You see, what if I wanted to figure out a way I'd like to try to see if I learn something from getting soem hands on experience. In development of ideas, it is not uncommon to modify a design to get more information on the build. see what comes out in the end.
 It's my money and time.
 also, with my illness, it's not self pity. It's a reality for some of us. And it has caused me to delay my build. So if I wish to discuss things with people until I know better what is going on in my life, why would that be a problem ?

>>
Why are you wanting to bring this peace of junk up for again? It has already been proved a non runner., Alan<<

>>, myself
 Why not ? Even if it is a proven non runner, would wonder if something could be learned from it.
 Such as transferring force from an extended arm to a central weight. It is something that is supported by Newotn's work.
 The faster the extended arm causes the wheel to roll, the more momentum the central weights can store.
 Because of this, I am wondering why you consider it to have been proven not to work. Do you disagree with Newton ?
 Alan, found out today that I have to be at work for one year before I can take FMLA. This means that I'll have to budget how much time I can miss work.
 As it is, I have to wait until I find out if long term disability is going to write one check like the last time I was on it (when I got ran over) or every 2 weeks like they're supposed to.<<

Alan, >> I work with my hands. I test with my hands. I observe the test and make notes. I design wheels and build them, and if they don't work I find out why, and take more notes. I don't spend my time with only math equations, for they will not tell any one if a wheel will work or not, they only help with the balances and imbalances.<<

@bessler, in the last post, I wasn't referring to you. Sorry if you thought I was  :)

Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: overtaker on March 10, 2009, 02:44:46 PM
Jim, check out a video called   " a world without cancer ".  I found it quite interesting. It may also make you angry at our Government.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 10, 2009, 02:47:27 PM
  Alan,
 What it comes down to is maybe I'd prefer to do things the way I know how to do them.
Yet you have a lot of people that say I should follow your lead.
 I don't care to do blind builds. And by discussing things, maybe somebody like helmut will give me some good advice.
 After all, when he told me what I was doing at one time didn't look like a Bessler wheel, I started thinking how I could do something that did look like a Bessler wheel.
 And now, people can see my designs conform more to what Bessler drew.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 10, 2009, 05:37:07 PM
  Alan,
 What it comes down to is maybe I'd prefer to do things the way I know how to do them.
Yet you have a lot of people that say I should follow your lead.
 I don't care to do blind builds. And by discussing things, maybe somebody like helmut will give me some good advice.
 After all, when he told me what I was doing at one time didn't look like a Bessler wheel, I started thinking how I could do something that did look like a Bessler wheel.
 And now, people can see my designs conform more to what Bessler drew.

Jim

 I do believe it is time to call a truce then.  :)

I am a stickler on credit. If some one else get a wheel before me I will congratulate them (then I will try to build a stronger wheel, not of there design). If I had a hand in inspiration I hope to be noted. If I build for someone else and it runs the wheel design is theirs, I get credit as the physical builder, not the designer. If I give advice of change, I hope the person will recognize me for my part in it. If  I am building and a design goes into alterations of my design that produces a running wheel, then some form of partnership will be expected. I have a few partners in this game and friends as well that if I am the one with my own design. Those I truly deal with will have a part. But I won't open source but after patent pending status I will show how I did it for the do it your self builders. I don't want to just give it away, where big business will just take it.

 The wheel is bigger than all of us. So to be greedy is a waste of time, but to protect ones credit in it, is a part of there's, ours, or my life. IMHO
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 10, 2009, 08:28:53 PM
Jim

 I do believe it is time to call a truce then.  :)

I am a stickler on credit. If some one else get a wheel before me I will congratulate them (then I will try to build a stronger wheel, not of there design). If I had a hand in inspiration I hope to be noted. If I build for someone else and it runs the wheel design is theirs, I get credit as the physical builder, not the designer. If I give advice of change, I hope the person will recognize me for my part in it. If  I am building and a design goes into alterations of my design that produces a running wheel, then some form of partnership will be expected. I have a few partners in this game and friends as well that if I am the one with my own design. Those I truly deal with will have a part. But I won't open source but after patent pending status I will show how I did it for the do it your self builders. I don't want to just give it away, where big business will just take it.

 The wheel is bigger than all of us. So to be greedy is a waste of time, but to protect ones credit in it, is a part of there's, ours, or my life. IMHO

  Alan,
 As far as I am concerned, you have a Messiah complex. As your followers have said, I have to follow your advice. Even if it's off topic.
 Considering I've spent over a year working on a principle, I don't exactly expect other people to understand it as well as I do. But I think I am done with this.
 After all, this latest episode started because you said the law needs to be enforced in the forum.
I think your friends should think about that. I was minding my own business.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 10, 2009, 11:57:59 PM
  Alan,
 As far as I am concerned, you have a Messiah complex. As your followers have said, I have to follow your advice. Even if it's off topic.
 Considering I've spent over a year working on a principle, I don't exactly expect other people to understand it as well as I do. But I think I am done with this.
 After all, this latest episode started because you said the law needs to be enforced in the forum.
I think your friends should think about that. I was minding my own business.

 Jim
I have offered you an olive branch, and stated my standing position. Now you are going to slap me whit it? :o

This is the real Jim and his true hart, a post that he made to me on Bessler Quest .
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But Alan, if it is my design, it will be known.
Of course, I can always modify the post if I want. And I'm sure that if someone successfully built a model based on my research and I kept quiet, they would too.
This would be because I can edit my posts. And I could change the design I posted.
It's up to you and if your design is different than what I posted. If people think it is the same and you say it is different, you will lose.
Think about it and let me know.

And you says this about me after I tried to help?? And you call this minding your own business??

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2009, 02:36:47 PM »


  @All,
 And this from someone who said they were going to patent my self rolling wheel. Am I missing something ?


And now you say I have a Messiah complex. All of this crap is to cover your real intention. and lets not forget the pity play.

 I am sick,  Help help I'm being repressed.

I knew you wouldn't take the olive branch, you would have to quit taking stabs of slander at me. So when this dog offered to stay on one side of the fence. You decided to through rocks at the dog. Well this dog won't stand for that.

@ all and Jim

The biggest joke is that Jim keeps saying his work and then keeps saying it is MT24 or MT25 or MT20. If it is these? Then you are playing with a designs that belongs to someone else and claiming them to be yours, Jim!!. I have studied the MTs and I make my own designs, not just slight changes, but different. I have shown several wheel designs here and they are not anything like the MTs in function. Originality is the best. Don't keep trying things that have failed time and time again.

@ all

What really makes me mad at Jim the most is Personal messages like this one he sent to me. I keep it as evidence. February 16, 2009, 05:28:35 PM

  Alan,
 If you build anything based on my work, I will send an e-mail to WM2D and report this forum and besslerWheel.com. Many people are using pirated software.
 I'm not worried about that, but they should not have allowed you to harass me.

Why is he trying to scar me to not build? And from this letter he is threatening everyone like holding everybody hostage if I do build.  :o >:(





Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: broli on March 11, 2009, 12:16:51 AM
Wow this sure has become a stinking thread.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 11, 2009, 12:17:23 AM
Jim
I have offered you an olive branch, and stated my standing position. Now you are going to slap me whit it? :o

This is the real Jim and his true hart, a post that he made to me on Bessler Quest .
And you says this about me after I tried to help?? And you call this minding your own business??

And now you say I have a Messiah complex. All of this crap is to cover your real intention. and lets not forget the pity play.

 I am sick,  Help help I'm being repressed.

I knew you wouldn't take the olive branch, you would have to quit taking stabs of slander at me. So when this dog offered to stay on one side of the fence. You decided to through rocks at the dog. Well this dog won't stand for that.

@ all and Jim

The biggest joke is that Jim keeps saying his work and then keeps saying it is MT24 or MT25 or MT20. If it is these? Then you are playing with a designs that belongs to someone else and claiming them to be yours, Jim!!. I have studied the MTs and I make my own designs, not just slight changes, but different. I have shown several wheel designs here and they are not anything like the MTs in function. Originality is the best. Don't keep trying things that have failed time and time again.

@ all

What really makes me mad at Jim the most is Personal messages like this one he sent to me. I keep it as evidence. February 16, 2009, 05:28:35 PM

Why is he trying to scar me to not build? And from this letter he is threatening everyone like holding everybody hostage if I do build.  :o >:(







Sounds like Jim has been at this game abit too long and its taken over his mind...

Alex
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: The Eskimo Quinn on March 11, 2009, 12:23:00 AM
Being the king of wheels not just in drawing them, i would like to keep this one going, so completly out of character i will try to calm this thread down. A quick tip on patents and rights. you can publish anything once you have lodged a patent application, but if you publish it first then it is public domian and "can never" be patented by anyone not even the inventor, look it up.

so claims on ownership or restrictng other people from building something you published is a waste of time. Secondly this is to my understanding an open source forum, and the entire purpose is to discuss help and release the information free to the world. anyone with notions of patents should not even be here.

are there parts of other peoples design in each of our own? of course there are, a wheel by its very nature joins us all, the gravity concept of shifting weight joins us all, be it with levers or pendulums, magnets or pulleys, we all use the same basic principal. was the first mag wheel on a car simply a rim with holes drilled in it or the one that sucked the air onto the brakes?

if your device works, it is the first of its kind no matter how close others were, until then they are all similar, were you the first to think of it? who knows, if they can show a published work of it the yes, if not that does not mean no, simply that they were unable to do so or chose not to, the debate of the ages on this website.

I have design many wheels over the years, especially the last one, if you want a wheel that truns by weight shift without question or argument.


try this completely new and thought of it whilst writing this, one wheel 12 arms on each arm there is a glass tube  the tubes are filled with mercury, as the temp rises the weeight of the mercury shifts upward in each tube like a thermometer, as the wheel truns and the merc runs down to the bottom end the cyle repeats. does it work? I don't know but it is as likely as any other and we know that even on its side a thermomter will act that way. was i the first this instance to think of it? who knows.

settle grettle this is a published site, and all things being equal unless you have a patent for a working device lodged, it is already too late to claim ownership or patent rights

well thats enough being nice, back to my own to tell people where to go
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 11, 2009, 01:48:50 AM
The Eskimo Quinn

Thanks for posting the info. Will it stop BAHammer/Jim from accusing me of taking his design? I hope so. Just like you said, once you post it before protection you can't protect it, even if it is original. And I am not going to post my main designs before there time.

Thanks again
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 11, 2009, 03:28:01 AM
This art/intellectual property is protected.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 11, 2009, 03:35:52 AM
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Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: The Eskimo Quinn on March 11, 2009, 09:21:54 AM
yes as art it is protected, but under copyright laws, it simply means it cannot be copied in the actual sense of copy like a photocopy, but it can be re drawn just like an art reproduction, and it can be built. to prvent it from being copied in a reproductive manner it needs a design patent, many companies who make fabric patterns of a special nature do this and architects do it also for house designs.

unfortunately you are only protected from someone copying your actual drawing as in cut and paste manner and publishing it elsewhere becasue it is actually that picture or art, the same as general art work. as far as design goes, you have already missed the design patent boat, and drawings of structure do not cover construction unless they form part of a patent applied for item.

Don't panic though, i dare say it doesn't work yet, so the design as it is is not the working product. Once you build it and it works, I doubt credit will be an issue unless it mirrors a set of plans already on here or elsewhere.

they show no dimesions or weight or specific movement anyway, so there is no application, simply a drwing of an indian wishing ring minus the feathers.

Don't get too upset, I built and filmed the first over the top magnetic smot that self started, and had a dozen people say they had done it before or seen it before, yet none could show proof of prior claims. It is the nature of the game. as i said earlier, maybe you are not the first, maybe a dozen other people thought of it but never built it, maybe no one did. But stress is something that only ruins your thinking pattern.

If you belive you were the first, I belive you are being honest and that should be enough, if other feel the same, then I have no reason to belive they too are not being honest. So at the end of the day, i have to say when i used video, i thought video wins, but that also is not true for claims.

easiest solution is one thought, think only this

He is Me, we both believe the same thing and we are both working on the same project though we never met, fuuuuuuck me, how cool is that???? two people from different worlds maybe even different lands working on the same project and believe the same thing, twins should be so lucky. wait until you are out in the world of business and you are just looking for that one person who thinks the same way you do and belives what you do, and then you will see what a gift you are to each other.

Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 11, 2009, 02:06:29 PM
The Eskimo Quinn; That is some very informative information. So simply put. If you want to protect it, do not show it, until you have proper registered protection. But if you don't mind giving it away. Go ahead and post it.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 11, 2009, 09:15:48 PM
Thank you for the informative information, The Eskimo Quinn.

I have an idea for a wheel that uses an olive branch and a coon ass I'm sure no one has tried.  If built with precision it goes round and round.  I won't post it just yet.




Bessler007
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Dave45 on March 11, 2009, 09:48:24 PM
Dont mean to step on anyone's thread but here's a wheel I thought of the other day, sorry about the poor art it was drawn in paint.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 11, 2009, 09:48:47 PM
Thank you for the informative information, The Eskimo Quinn.

I have an idea for a wheel that uses an olive branch and a coon ass I'm sure no one has tried.  If built with precision it goes round and round.  I won't post it just yet.




Bessler007

LOL WRIGHT ::) Here is a more entertaining one.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCpCvID6XD8&feature=channel_page
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 12, 2009, 12:16:43 PM
Being the king of wheels not just in drawing them, i would like to keep this one going, so completly out of character i will try to calm this thread down. A quick tip on patents and rights. you can publish anything once you have lodged a patent application, but if you publish it first then it is public domian and "can never" be patented by anyone not even the inventor, look it up.

so claims on ownership or restrictng other people from building something you published is a waste of time. Secondly this is to my understanding an open source forum, and the entire purpose is to discuss help and release the information free to the world. anyone with notions of patents should not even be here.

are there parts of other peoples design in each of our own? of course there are, a wheel by its very nature joins us all, the gravity concept of shifting weight joins us all, be it with levers or pendulums, magnets or pulleys, we all use the same basic principal. was the first mag wheel on a car simply a rim with holes drilled in it or the one that sucked the air onto the brakes?

if your device works, it is the first of its kind no matter how close others were, until then they are all similar, were you the first to think of it? who knows, if they can show a published work of it the yes, if not that does not mean no, simply that they were unable to do so or chose not to, the debate of the ages on this website.

I have design many wheels over the years, especially the last one, if you want a wheel that truns by weight shift without question or argument.


try this completely new and thought of it whilst writing this, one wheel 12 arms on each arm there is a glass tube  the tubes are filled with mercury, as the temp rises the weeight of the mercury shifts upward in each tube like a thermometer, as the wheel truns and the merc runs down to the bottom end the cyle repeats. does it work? I don't know but it is as likely as any other and we know that even on its side a thermomter will act that way. was i the first this instance to think of it? who knows.

settle grettle this is a published site, and all things being equal unless you have a patent for a working device lodged, it is already too late to claim ownership or patent rights

well thats enough being nice, back to my own to tell people where to go

   Quinn,
 There is one thing about a couple of designs I have worked on. If I say it is something Bessler built, and it works, doubt a patent would be allowed.
 Of course, they could say that the design was improved on and give one. That is up to the patent office.
 Also, if something is openly posted and is a new concept, it brings up one question, is this a publication ?
An inventor has one year of first publication of an invention to get a patent. And only the inventor can obtain a patent.
 But then, I see no reason to build because someone else is going to sit and judge every post I make. They should get their own life. But if they had something going on better than myself, they wouldn't be in my business. Yet they are.
 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 12, 2009, 01:27:00 PM
   Quinn,
 There is one thing about a couple of designs I have worked on. If I say it is something Bessler built, and it works, doubt a patent would be allowed.
 

Why would that be? No one knows how his wheel worked (if it worked at all) so therefore no one can/could patent which intern means that no one could prevent you (or anyone else) from patenting a similar mechanism. Since there would be no way of proving that whatever mechanism you've come up with is the same as Bessler's no one could make a claim that you've copied it.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 12, 2009, 01:31:20 PM
   Quinn,
 There is one thing about a couple of designs I have worked on. If I say it is something Bessler built, and it works, doubt a patent would be allowed.
 Of course, they could say that the design was improved on and give one. That is up to the patent office.
 Also, if something is openly posted and is a new concept, it brings up one question, is this a publication ?
An inventor has one year of first publication of an invention to get a patent. And only the inventor can obtain a patent.
 But then, I see no reason to build because someone else is going to sit and judge every post I make. They should get their own life. But if they had something going on better than myself, they wouldn't be in my business. Yet they are.
 

BAHammer; First off you have to get what is called a provisional patent that give you a year. If you want people to stay out of your business. Don't post in open forum. For if you do, it becomes every bodies business. Now quit crying about it. 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 12, 2009, 05:13:44 PM
LOL WRIGHT ::) Here is a more entertaining one.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCpCvID6XD8&feature=channel_page

haha lol I like it, the movement of the dogs leg causes the arm to scratch his back which causes him to move his leg haha :P Thats classic


Alex
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 12, 2009, 10:58:29 PM
BAHammer; First off you have to get what is called a provisional patent that give you a year. If you want people to stay out of your business. Don't post in open forum. For if you do, it becomes every bodies business. Now quit crying about it. 

 It's someone else that is crying about it. And I do think it is as I said, if someone can figure out something considered next to impossible and says most likely it is Bessler's design, that would get consideration. After all, everyone that tried and failed couldn't be considered credible. A lack of understanding of this type of behavior would have been demonstrated.
 I notice the design I posted and bessler 007 reposted ( thank you  :) ) has gotten little notice. Possibly because everybody else didn't consider the pendulum and the wheel concept could lead to a capable design. With myself, it would be my willingness to have spent time studying math that would have made the difference. It does help.
 But it's not what you guys care to discuss, is it ?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 13, 2009, 02:24:45 AM
It's someone else that is crying about it. And I do think it is as I said, if someone can figure out something considered next to impossible and says most likely it is Bessler's design, that would get consideration. After all, everyone that tried and failed couldn't be considered credible. A lack of understanding of this type of behavior would have been demonstrated.
 I notice the design I posted and bessler 007 reposted ( thank you  :) ) has gotten little notice. Possibly because everybody else didn't consider the pendulum and the wheel concept could lead to a capable design. With myself, it would be my willingness to have spent time studying math that would have made the difference. It does help.
 But it's not what you guys care to discuss, is it ?

BAHammer; Would you like a little cheese with that wine? So lets discuss it then. You have convened yourself, it is Bessler's wheel and you are the only one who knows anything about it. If so, why haven't you built it? That would be proof and put you on high demand. What I see of it is that you lack many controls and each movement will cancel each other out and will find equilibrium almost instantaneously. Your approach is interesting but to no avail. You do talk about how math will do it, but I find your math flawed. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 13, 2009, 05:21:29 AM
On the planet Uroboros they cut cheese with their pointy heads.

Jim, the idea of Milkovek's double pendulum is in your design.




Bessler007
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 13, 2009, 12:14:57 PM
BAHammer; Would you like a little cheese with that wine? So lets discuss it then. You have convened yourself, it is Bessler's wheel and you are the only one who knows anything about it. If so, why haven't you built it? That would be proof and put you on high demand. What I see of it is that you lack many controls and each movement will cancel each other out and will find equilibrium almost instantaneously. Your approach is interesting but to no avail. You do talk about how math will do it, but I find your math flawed. Just my opinion.

  Dude,
 you're slow. I've already posted that the build has been delayed because of medical problems.
I always notice that when people have nothing else to say, they say build it and prove it.
 Just as one idiot says the truth is important and they give credit where due. Such as my being banned from one forum because the moderator said that I could not say that math supports perpetual motion.
 Somehow, that last part always gets omitted. Not sure if I could trust somehow that uses half truth's.
 As for that design, it would work just fine. All the balance of the lever needs to do is be shifted over enough to compensate for inertia.
 I think this lack of understanding would be based on the lack of credible builds by the members of this forum. To build something and then say, it didn't work isn't much. Such as, why didn't the build work ?
 That part of the equation is usually missing. And this is where math helps to analyze the mechanics and lack of hoped for results.

 @bessler, I hadn't thought of that. It might be that trying pendulums is a common idea as a couple other people tried a variation of it.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 13, 2009, 01:45:35 PM
Greetings All
 This is what happened at Bessler Wheel dealing with who now calls himself Bahammer, who claims that he was banned due to his math. This post from the moderator Scott proves otherwise.


Quote from: scott
P-Motion/Jim_L/Jim_Lindgaard, you are in direct violation of the Terms of Use (http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/profile.php?mode=register).
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You explicitly agree, in using this web site or any service provided, that you shall not: ... Impersonate or misrepresent your association with any person or entity, or forge or otherwise seek to conceal or misrepresent the origin of any Content provided by you. E.g. sock puppet accounts;
Stop creating new accounts or you will be banned.

Your Jim_L and Jim_Lindgaard accounts has been banned.  If you want to continue to post you can use your original P-Motion account.

We'll see how that goes.

-Scott

And you never came back as P-Motion. On this subject no more needed.

__________________________________________________

The post before is where Jim decided I was his enemy.

Quote from: Jim_Lindgaard
Quote from: AB Hammer
Jim

Please give it a rest!! you are not achieving anything.
  Alan,
 Who is attacking who Alan ? Guess I miss your point.
 You are right, he wins because he is good at bull shitting people.
 I am glad you and him see eye to eye.

That is all I had to say for Jim to start attacking me.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 13, 2009, 02:43:15 PM
If somone really had a perpetual wheel that they "think" or "know" will work, then im sure a video would of been posted on here showing it running weather the mechanism would be hidden or not....

How long must this argument last? Its dominating this section of the forum, I mean come on now, isnt this a waste of time? or am I wasting my time trying to tell you its a waste of time?

Alex
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 13, 2009, 03:41:43 PM
If somone really had a perpetual wheel that they "think" or "know" will work, then im sure a video would of been posted on here showing it running weather the mechanism would be hidden or not....

How long must this argument last? Its dominating this section of the forum, I mean come on now, isnt this a waste of time? or am I wasting my time trying to tell you its a waste of time?

Alex

  Hmm,
 let's see, I missed about 8 hours of work yesterday and am going to miss another 9.5 today.
I think the money I am losing to medical bills and time off work is causing me a problem.
 Fortunately for myself alex, where people like most of alan's supporters in here are critical, a friend of mine ( Aaron ) told em a different way to build a wheel. This will allow me to do it on a much smaller budget.
 After all, I do have the pleasure of making preparations to be off work for about 6 weeks after surgery.
 As for you Alan, I was talking about Museum of Hoaxes. Their moderator could not accept the idea that math could be applied differently than what they believed. And Ralph is a good friend of yours. This is why we will never get along. Just check out your postings to me.
 
 @all, there are some things Alan has never mentioned in this forum. In the Museum of Hoaxes, we discussed a lot of math. alan saw I understood it very well. And by doing what he can to discredit me in here, it would be like he posted to me once, he can make me credible. He wants me to tell him how to build a wheel. This is one reason why he keeps repeating, "I give credit where it's due" or whatever is jingle is. And has he has also mentioned, he believes basic math is all a person needs to know.
 If were talking about anything that supports Bessler, wouldn't that be like saying, Bessler got lucky ?
It would be.
 By the way, if you guys new how the Bessler Code works, then you could understand that something like Mt 25 would most likely rotate counter clockwise. And yes, Mt 24 will work even though one person ( Alan ) adamantly insists it is a proven non-runner. Then again, many in here have said he was being nice to me when he told me not to waste my time with it. Guess you supporters of Alan need to remember that I believe it will work because I have done more builds based on science and math than Alan. It let's me develop a better understanding of the subject matter.
  But I'm not going to waste time digging up old posts. alan wants what isn't his. If he wants to build a wheel, then he should take the time to learn how to make his own build ideas work.
 And those are secret for what reason ?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 13, 2009, 06:13:38 PM
  Hmm,
 let's see, I missed about 8 hours of work yesterday and am going to miss another 9.5 today.
I think the money I am losing to medical bills and time off work is causing me a problem.
 Fortunately for myself alex, where people like most of alan's supporters in here are critical, a friend of mine ( Aaron ) told em a different way to build a wheel. This will allow me to do it on a much smaller budget.
 After all, I do have the pleasure of making preparations to be off work for about 6 weeks after surgery.
 As for you Alan, I was talking about Museum of Hoaxes. Their moderator could not accept the idea that math could be applied differently than what they believed. And Ralph is a good friend of yours. This is why we will never get along. Just check out your postings to me.
 
 @all, there are some things Alan has never mentioned in this forum. In the Museum of Hoaxes, we discussed a lot of math. alan saw I understood it very well. And by doing what he can to discredit me in here, it would be like he posted to me once, he can make me credible. He wants me to tell him how to build a wheel. This is one reason why he keeps repeating, "I give credit where it's due" or whatever is jingle is. And has he has also mentioned, he believes basic math is all a person needs to know.
 If were talking about anything that supports Bessler, wouldn't that be like saying, Bessler got lucky ?
It would be.
 By the way, if you guys new how the Bessler Code works, then you could understand that something like Mt 25 would most likely rotate counter clockwise. And yes, Mt 24 will work even though one person ( Alan ) adamantly insists it is a proven non-runner. Then again, many in here have said he was being nice to me when he told me not to waste my time with it. Guess you supporters of Alan need to remember that I believe it will work because I have done more builds based on science and math than Alan. It let's me develop a better understanding of the subject matter.
  But I'm not going to waste time digging up old posts. alan wants what isn't his. If he wants to build a wheel, then he should take the time to learn how to make his own build ideas work.
 And those are secret for what reason ?

Are you finished now? Can the forum carry on as normal?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 13, 2009, 07:49:30 PM
Sorry Alex

 I have one last thing to clear up of what Jim said why he was banned from. The Museum of Hoaxes.
He was not banned for his math but here it is in the administrators own words.
BAHammer, P-Motion, Jim65, and what ever other names he goes by. All one and the same.


http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/51/P517/


Administrator post #519

Quote from: Boo" date="1207361846
Jim65, I already asked you not to edit your posts after someone else has quoted them.
You have since edited most of them to just show :-).
This is your final warning.


__________________________________

#527

Quote from: Boo" date="1207462227
Quote from: Jim65" date="1207458021
AB, I'm still me. Want a second guess.
 Well Boo, don't like being acused of something without anyone letting me know. :-)

I have no idea what you're talking about here, but I notice you have changed your post - quite possibly after AB Hammer posted.
You've had your two warnings.

Note to everyone else: Jim65 has been banned.



Now Jim, You have cried enough and played the victim. Now quit your bull! and stick with the program.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 13, 2009, 08:14:21 PM
Sorry Alex

 I have one last thing to clear up of what Jim said why he was banned from. The Museum of Hoaxes.
He was not banned for his math but here it is in the administrators own words.
BAHammer, P-Motion, Jim65, and what ever other names he goes by. All one and the same.


http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/51/P517/


Administrator post #519


__________________________________

#527

I have no idea what you're talking about here, but I notice you have changed your post - quite possibly after AB Hammer posted.
You've had your two warnings.

Note to everyone else: Jim65 has been banned.



Now Jim, You have cried enough and played the victim. Now quit your bull! and stick with the program.

  This shows once again that alan will pick what posts he wishes to.
 I did tell the host that I have no reason to care what they say if they are going to tell me what math I am allowed to do.
 And the result of the math is the levered scissor type wheel I told Stefan and Helmut they could have.
I just wonder why this would upset people from English speaking countries ? They are the only people I hear whining.

  @Alan, if you lost 100 pounds, you could probably lose your cane. It's a thought.

Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 13, 2009, 09:54:45 PM
  This shows once again that alan will pick what posts he wishes to.
 I did tell the host that I have no reason to care what they say if they are going to tell me what math I am allowed to do.
 And the result of the math is the levered scissor type wheel I told Stefan and Helmut they could have.
I just wonder why this would upset people from English speaking countries ? They are the only people I hear whining.

  @Alan, if you lost 100 pounds, you could probably lose your cane. It's a thought.



BAHammer; You are a real head case. No matter what proof is brought up, you ignore it and cry again. Now you attack a cripples weight? In my opinion you need to go back to the mental hospital and check yourself back in.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 13, 2009, 10:48:53 PM
BAHammer; You are a real head case. No matter what proof is brought up, you ignore it and cry again. Now you attack a cripples weight? In my opinion you need to go back to the mental hospital and check yourself back in.

  I am not attacking his weight. I asked a question.
People in his position have lost weight and found that they were not crippled
except that which their weight caused them.
 Is there a need for him to carry that much weight ? Is it healthy ?
The reality is, if he lost weight, it would benefit him in more than a few ways.
 He did say he wishes the truth to be known. That is one.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: overtaker on March 14, 2009, 12:53:23 AM
I hope both of you have children cause this feud could go on for generations. Kind of like the Hatfields and Mccoys.   :)
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 14, 2009, 07:55:01 AM
Excuse me BA but you asked a question that was actually attacking his weight.  I guess you must be thin, good for you.  A lot of folks are not.  They may want to be but are not. Be proud of yourself as you have achieved a new low here.  What's next, are you gonna hide his Grandmother's teeth for fun?  Why not get back to the research and leave personal attacks out of it?  After all, it is the research and experimentation that will prevail in the end, not words and certainly not hateful words.

Bill
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 14, 2009, 03:09:50 PM
Excuse me BA but you asked a question that was actually attacking his weight.  I guess you must be thin, good for you.  A lot of folks are not.  They may want to be but are not. Be proud of yourself as you have achieved a new low here.  What's next, are you gonna hide his Grandmother's teeth for fun?  Why not get back to the research and leave personal attacks out of it?  After all, it is the research and experimentation that will prevail in the end, not words and certainly not hateful words.

Bill

  Bill,
 The one guy got it right. Alan is a cripple.
Despite what medical problems or conditions I might have, I'm not.
 Ever try having seizures and cancer at the same time ? Nothing I really care for.
And does it get me preferential treatment like Alan ? It doesn't.
 This is something I am actually glad for, people not making excuses for me.
 If they did or I allowed it, I couldn't have learned what I have.
 I guess it is something I learned from my sister. Let's just say she's in a better place now.
 But then, I might be off work for up to 3 months. A lot of time to sit
home by myself. Fortunately, I might be able to get a couple of builds completed. And of
course, maybe read a few more books. I'll find productive ways to spend my time. But it
won't be in here.
 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: sevich on March 14, 2009, 04:24:28 PM
@BAHammer

Maybe you've chosen perpetual motion as a hobby to (try) burry some grievances you've had in the past  ???

Maybe it's not working ?

Quote
the one guy got it right. Alan is a cripple. Dispite what medical problems or conditions I might have. I'm not.

How can you be so sure your'e not crippled, mentally  ::)

just a thought 

Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 14, 2009, 06:31:46 PM
@BAHammer

Maybe you've chosen perpetual motion as a hobby to (try) burry some grievances you've had in the past  ???

Maybe it's not working ?

How can you be so sure your'e not crippled, mentally  ::)

just a thought 



 2 things. The first is, nobody has asked what prognosis I have for being diagnosed with cancer.
 The 2nd is, nobody has told me why you guys have been attacking me for about 15 pages.
   What is alan's problem again ? I said something a year ago and I have seizures from what was a severe head injury. So basically, I am being attacked by alan and his supporters for surviving what easily could have been a fatal accident. After all, do you guys know anyone on a bicycle that was hit by a vehicle going 50 mph that lived to tell about it ?
 If not, you guys do need to talk to a therapist or something and explain that in order for you to feel good about yourselves that you need to personally attack someone that survived a very severe accident and has cancer.
 Alan, it has taken me years to learn to walk as well as I do. The police would stop me when i would go for walks because of how badly I would stumble. Who knows, maybe if I used a cane, i would've talked to less police officers. But I used their stops as a motivating factor to walk more normally.
 Today, people don't remind me of my accident as I walk with a pronounced limp. I also walk 12 to 15 miles a day to earn my living. It took a lot of effort and support from co-workers to get me walking fast enough to where I could be hired.
 And everybody, I have reposted already one post from the Museum of Hoaxes where I told your good friend alan that I need to work within the limits of my seizures. this si why he likes to harass me. He uses them against me and you guys go for it.
 As a direct result of this continued harassment, I will be seeing a neurologist again to get back on anti-seizure medication.
 You guys do have a problem far worse than anything I am dealing with. But then, my mother did die from the type of cancer I have. And when I got ran over, Medical Leave was only 6 weeks. For cancer, I'll most likely need the 3 months it currently allows. Not sure why you guys think I have a mental problem.Was kind of worried about possibly losing my job because I thought Medical Leave was still only 6 weeks. I still can not take it until the end of this month when I will pass my one year anniversary. This means treatment will have to wait until then. I'm kind of glad the doctors missed the diagnosis back in January.
  I am not Alan saying defend me. I told Jim he can not copyright his drawings and he still did it. And that is what this is all about. Look in the G-Force thread. I asked Alan several times not to post with me since I do not agree with him. Even in this thread, he told me my build idea was new and got mad when he didn't know I sent a drawing to John Collins which showed it was the old one. Does he need to know everything I do ? I know who my father is and who my brothers are. I even know who my nephews are and they all weigh around 350 pounds. And I even tell them to lose weight. Just as their grandmother did.
 Myself, I think you guys who support Alan are worse than the cancer I have which is what killed my mother. Now you know yourselves for the type of people you really are.
 After all, in the G-Force thread, Alan did nott care when I told him I was sick. And you people have and will continue to support this type of disability. It's mental, but you need to look at someone besides myself when you guys say that.

 p.s. wonder why Stefan allows this kind of personal attack in his forum ? Alan has even said it is more important for him to make his truth known than my cancer. He should do this at his expense then.
 I have worked past my disabilities, why can't he ?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 14, 2009, 08:12:31 PM
Alright, this is going to far now, its clearly wrong what some of you people are saying to eachother...

@ BAhammer: Saying that Alan is a cripple isnt very nice is it?

@ Sevich: You have also just given a personal attack to BAhammer which also isn't nice...

I understand that some people here have problems, but I am disgusted by the behaviour of some of you people here, when a guest comes here and thinks "hey, this looks an interesting forum, lets check it out" they will soon leave when they see this, why? because they will think that the topics here have died due to this stupid argument!!!

There are topics here which I have looked though and seem interesting, and every time I return to this forum (hoping that this has stopped), all I see is complaints instead of USING THE FORUM CORRECTLY! Its time this rubbish stopped and that you GET OVER IT...

Good Day
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: mindsweeper on March 14, 2009, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from:  link=topic=6900.msg163512#msg163512 date=1237057951
Alright, this is going to far now, its clearly wrong what some of you people are saying to eachother...

@ BAhammer: Saying that Alan is a cripple isnt very nice is it?

@ Sevich: You have also just given a personal attack to BAhammer which also isn't nice...

I understand that some people here have problems, but I am disgusted by the behaviour of some of you people here, when a guest comes here and thinks "hey, this looks an interesting forum, lets check it out" they will soon leave when they see this, why? because they will think that the topics here have died due to this stupid argument!!!

There are topics here which I have looked though and seem interesting, and every time I return to this forum (hoping that this has stopped), all I see is complaints instead of USING THE FORUM CORRECTLY! Its time this rubbish stopped and that you GET OVER IT...

Good Day

@Alexioco, don't waste your breath, this will not stop till the moderator steps in and we both know that will never happen. Like kids in a candy store. Just cant keep there hands (mouths) in there pockets (shut).

I'm better than you, no your not I'm better than you, ooh look at me blahhh blahhh, without moderation there is only anarchy here, no respect and no helpful comments, just attacking one and other, what a waist of time and effort.

Lets see what comes my way now eh?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 14, 2009, 11:23:09 PM
@Alexioco, don't waste your breath, this will not stop till the moderator steps in and we both know that will never happen. Like kids in a candy store. Just cant keep there hands (mouths) in there pockets (shut).

I'm better than you, no your not I'm better than you, ooh look at me blahhh blahhh, without moderation there is only anarchy here, no respect and no helpful comments, just attacking one and other, what a waist of time and effort.

Lets see what comes my way now eh?

If they do not stop, they will do more harm to the forum and they will be completely to blame and no one eles...

I would actually like to become a mod here, I could then take care of this section of the forum in a reasonable manner...

Alex
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 14, 2009, 11:35:49 PM

Lets see what comes my way now eh?

OK mindsweeper

Here is comes!  You are correct!  at least to a point bahammer/jim will never stop, even though his words have been proven not to have any credibility. He will just keep slandering me, to try to slow me down by trying to make me have to respond. Or hopes I will give in and show what I have done and am doing. He waste his time for that will never happen before its time. Also I will have a pre-maid statement similar to the one I have for 007 to respond with. I suggest when these harassers make these personal statements that should be the statement from every body so there is no more wasted time. I have tried and tried to set the story wright. I am tired of the bull$#!+.

Any personal attacks from anybody I will respond in this manner. For instants.


BAHammer/Jim

IMO, YOUR SLANDEROUS WORDS AND ATTACKS, DO NOT HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 15, 2009, 04:08:16 AM
Well, everyone knows how important it is to be considered credible by one who ran their frontal lobe into a mac truck at 110mph.   hehehe

Thank God for thick craniums.

I see things are back to normal in Cranksville.

It wouldn't be much use to the builder of a working wheel to post a you-tube of it and not explain it.  It wouldn't be hard to make something that would appear to be working, yet as much of a fraud as making a claim without a wheel that would work.  That's been done by the over-optimistic.  Some have been banned at some forums and some have escaped that fate.  It's a mystery.

It would prove nothing.

round and round she goes; where she stops no body knows.



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 16, 2009, 12:58:52 AM
Well, everyone knows how important it is to be considered credible by one who ran their frontal lobe into a mac truck at 110mph.   hehehe

Thank God for thick craniums.

I see things are back to normal in Cranksville.

It wouldn't be much use to the builder of a working wheel to post a you-tube of it and not explain it.  It wouldn't be hard to make something that would appear to be working, yet as much of a fraud as making a claim without a wheel that would work.  That's been done by the over-optimistic.  Some have been banned at some forums and some have escaped that fate.  It's a mystery.

It would prove nothing.

round and round she goes; where she stops no body knows.



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

IMO, YOUR SLANDEROUS WORDS AND ATTACKS, DO NOT HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY.

For the rest of your statement. Quit being so pessimistic. Only the optimistic have a chance for success.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 16, 2009, 12:14:54 PM
Of course, Alan, I don't mind.  You can bite me.  We're buds.  You don't even have to ask.

Pessimism or optimism isn't the issue.  An intelligent view of reality is.

The incessant repeating of something doesn't make a fact.  Facts aren't established by democratic elections.  The fact is most people are mostly wrong most of the time.  You do a lot to help those odds.

If there's any single point I've made you'd actually care to address then address the point that some frauds are banned from berssler wheel (for example Techstuff) while some aren't  (for example you).  Is that equitable?  Such as life.

Or some frauds successfully soliciting funds at bessler wheel are banned (for example Daryl from Canada) yet some frauds unsuccessfully soliciting funds have a good reputation (for example Ralph Lortie).

I'm sure you'd rather rant than address those points.

Here's a point to address.  If there's no credibility in the review of the facts you'd like to term "my words" (even when my words are actually yours - look at the byline), why do you address them?  I guess the facts might have some credibility?

I make the point of the equity of "banning" because you make the point it's an issue.  The only way it's a real point as you'd like to make it is if one is ignorant of the facts.  Then it becomes a point.

What say you, willfully ignorant one?


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 16, 2009, 12:26:04 PM
I wanted to mention that here is a record.  Be sure and quote everything I say to keep the record in tact.  If there is indeed slander here then sue me, bitch.  heheh  or continue to lie like the rug you are.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB


edit:  reality slanders you along with your words, I don't.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 16, 2009, 12:27:57 PM
Well, everyone knows how important it is to be considered credible by one who ran their frontal lobe into a mac truck at 110mph.   hehehe

Thank God for thick craniums.

I see things are back to normal in Cranksville.

It wouldn't be much use to the builder of a working wheel to post a you-tube of it and not explain it.  It wouldn't be hard to make something that would appear to be working, yet as much of a fraud as making a claim without a wheel that would work.  That's been done by the over-optimistic.  Some have been banned at some forums and some have escaped that fate.  It's a mystery.

It would prove nothing.

round and round she goes; where she stops no body knows.



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

  Bessler,
 It is interesting. Until I posted the simple levered scissor type wheel, about everybody posting in this thread ignored me.
 I have started on the design I showed you. Since you know what it is, I guess it's not a secret  ;)
 

Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 16, 2009, 12:30:11 PM
Hello Jim,

I have a clearance.  I know how to keep a secret.  :)




Bessler007
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 16, 2009, 01:39:58 PM
Of course, Alan, I don't mind.  You can bite me.  We're buds.  You don't even have to ask.

Pessimism or optimism isn't the issue.  An intelligent view of reality is.

The incessant repeating of something doesn't make a fact.  Facts aren't established by democratic elections.  The fact is most people are mostly wrong most of the time.  You do a lot to help those odds.

If there's any single point I've made you'd actually care to address then address the point that some frauds are banned from berssler wheel (for example Techstuff) while some aren't  (for example you).  Is that equitable?  Such as life.

Or some frauds successfully soliciting funds at bessler wheel are banned (for example Daryl from Canada) yet some frauds unsuccessfully soliciting funds have a good reputation (for example Ralph Lortie).

I'm sure you'd rather rant than address those points.

Here's a point to address.  If there's no credibility in the review of the facts you'd like to term "my words" (even when my words are actually yours - look at the byline), why do you address them?  I guess the facts might have some credibility?

I make the point of the equity of "banning" because you make the point it's an issue.  The only way it's a real point as you'd like to make it is if one is ignorant of the facts.  Then it becomes a point.

What say you, willfully ignorant one?


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

IMO, YOUR SLANDEROUS WORDS AND ATTACKS, DO NOT HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY.

FDROLMAO

PS-You and Jim should make a good team. You deserve one another.

Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 16, 2009, 02:46:46 PM
They're your words, Curly.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 16, 2009, 05:16:04 PM
They're your words, Curly.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

 Can I do that ? bessler, Stefan will be checking this thread out.
Do you know one thing I have figured out ? I could probably build Mt 24 and it would be about 24 inches across.
 The build I am doing would be so close to it. And of course, to build one the way I described would support Johann. It'd be Mt 24 using 8 weights instead of 16.

 There are people in here willing to discuss how such wheels can work. Unfortunately, not everyone supports one of Bessler's drawings as being capable of working. Shrugged Atlas once said I'm one of the true believers. I don't have a problem being considered that way.
 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 16, 2009, 06:54:50 PM
BAHammer

 How long do you think it will take to do your build? If you believe you have it, you will always question yourself until you build it. Then you need to cover it so no one can see how it works and show it on youtube self starting and accelerating. That is what I am going to do when I get my runner. It will be of good precision, and I'll watch it go round and round, and so will everyone else who sees it on youtube.  ;D

Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 16, 2009, 07:07:25 PM
They're your words, Curly.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

FDROLMAO

Interesting you don't know the Three Stooges very well.

Larry is the one you posted not Curly. Curly was the one who shaved his head.

And yeas I said and will still say those word you keep posting.

>>So you will need to build it with good precision, and then watch it go around, and around.<<
And if you do a build and have truly a good idea? But if you don't build with good precision, you still won't see it go around and around except your mind.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 16, 2009, 07:39:30 PM
I'm not going to argue over which stooge is which, particularly with an expert on the matter





Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

Edit:

This is the exact quote you're trying to bait and switch with:

Quote
AB Hammer:
Well how would you like one that works? but isn't worth any thing more than a toy. It doesn't have any torque to speak of, and it won't run a generator. But it does solve the problems of ball wheels of the past. It is so touche that if you build it wrong/rough it probably wouldn't even run well.
So you will need to build it with good precision, and then watch it go around, and around. I thought about saving this one for my step sons school project but it would be cheating.

So guys put this one on your computer 2d and 3d programs, and go for it.

OH! PS I nicknamed it the Klingon wheel. and 6+ disk will work best.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 16, 2009, 08:21:27 PM
I'm not going to argue over which stooge is which, particularly with an expert on the matter





Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

Edit:

This is the exact quote you're trying to bait and switch with:


  You do know, AB might've had a thought.
 I started my own forum but thought since most of my progress was documented in here, stay here.
 One nice thing about it is you could be a moderator. That's if you want.
  I think stuff like what has happened in this thread is a waste of time.
 These people are friends and really don't care if a Bessler wheel ever gets built.
Like Alan will tell you, he's about his credibility. And his videos should cast doubt on that.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 16, 2009, 10:13:13 PM
I'm not going to argue over which stooge is which, particularly with an expert on the matter





Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

Edit:

This is the exact quote you're trying to bait and switch with:


LOL bessler007

 I also explained what happened to me about the cardboard one that ran for 10 minutes and on of the balls tore out the side. Nothing has changed in this story, and is still a mystery on what truly happened. I posted it openly as well. Then I tried to reproduce in wood and it didn't work. I stand behind what I did and never tried to sell it either for it was open sourced. Then I did and posted more designs.

What have you given?????

Where have you helped?????

You couldn't make a wheel so you decided to try to destroy others that are trying to build, and you are supporting Jim as a front for you personal inquisition. IMO

What have you ever contributed that was useful ??????

IMO, You are so pathetic trying to make a mountain out of a grain of sand! So go away and find something constructive.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 16, 2009, 10:21:54 PM
  You do know, AB might've had a thought.
 I started my own forum but thought since most of my progress was documented in here, stay here.
 One nice thing about it is you could be a moderator. That's if you want.
  I think stuff like what has happened in this thread is a waste of time.
 These people are friends and really don't care if a Bessler wheel ever gets built.
Like Alan will tell you, he's about his credibility. And his videos should cast doubt on that.

Have fun with your forum, just leave me out of it. And my videos are very credible. No false claims just videos of what have been done and 2 of them have over 20,000 hits. I won't post a runner uncovered until it is properly protected. You might be surprised very soon.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 16, 2009, 10:28:58 PM
Well Curly, er I mean Larry,

Quote
IMO, You are so pathetic trying to make a mountain out of a grain of sand! So go away and find something constructive.

This is your opinion.

It isn't my opinion you are a liar.  It's a fact.

Quote
Well how would you like one that works?

I think it's constructive to point out the facts, particularly when someone of your calliber is racking someone else over the coals.

If you really had the sense of a rock you'd go deal with the phantoms of Bessler007 back at besslerwheel.

Quote
But you write in interesting ways similar to a Bessler007 ?


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

Quote
Have fun with your forum, just leave me out of it.
Don't let the door hit you in the ralph on the way out.
hehehe
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 16, 2009, 11:46:58 PM
Have fun with your forum, just leave me out of it. And my videos are very credible. No false claims just videos of what have been done and 2 of them have over 20,000 hits. I won't post a runner uncovered until it is properly protected. You might be surprised very soon.  ;D ;D ;D

  Hey al,
 Why don't you 2 get a room ? The way you "guys" are flirting is obscene !
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Chad on March 17, 2009, 12:30:49 AM
Alan hows things?.

what i would like to know is, if you have figured besslers wheel out how can you patent it if its already been published in his books?.

just curious mate.

Chad.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 17, 2009, 01:23:40 AM
Alan hows things?.

what i would like to know is, if you have figured besslers wheel out how can you patent it if its already been published in his books?.

just curious mate.

Chad.

Greetings Chad

 You can't patent anything that is in public domain, unless the newer version is distinctly different, then it wouldn't be the same. Not to mention Bessler's wheel has never been published. So even if a wheel that may have some relations with descriptions. No one can prove it to be Bessler's wheel. But a working wheel can help clear Bessler's claim to a point. I am not claiming I have Bessler's wheel but I believe I have something that may very well prove successful.  I have been biting at the bits due to not having time to build due to my armour work load. Now I will get the time to finish my wheels and prove it one way or the other. I post on my meal breaks. I have fooled myself before but I still have to remain optimistic to keep going. Unlike a certain bessler007 who now attacks instead of looking for a solution.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 17, 2009, 02:33:35 AM
. . .Unlike a certain bessler007 who now attacks instead of looking for a solution.

You have no idea what I'm investigating and building.

The facts attack you.  I just point them out.

The fact is you want to make the point of Jim being banned yet you're of the same caliber of others that have been banned.  They were termed "frauds" but you want to term your self "optimistic".  A pile of alan by any other name smells the same.

My better 1/2 is going over an ethics CPE and they just made the point, "make the rules the same for everyone."  This is what's taught in professional environments and certainly not what's practiced in some forums.

I have a theory.  If you can suck the chrome off a bumper hitch you get a pass.  lol




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 17, 2009, 12:21:50 PM
Alan hows things?.

what i would like to know is, if you have figured besslers wheel out how can you patent it if its already been published in his books?.

just curious mate.

Chad.

  Chad,
 The reality is, unless the builder of a wheel can "sell" it as a Bessler wheel, a patent can be given.
Even Bessler's drawings might be able to receive a patent because his drawings do not explain how they work. Explaining the method in which something works is required. it is possible to have two like items that work differently. And yet, the general description is the same.
 With Bessler, weights working in pairs is to vague. It does not specify which weights.
 In a flywheel for a generator circa 1900, they used weights working in pairs. This example would demonstrate that unless a specific relationship is made in how weights work in pairs, then at best, it is an ambiguous description.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 17, 2009, 01:20:57 PM
You have no idea what I'm investigating and building.

The facts attack you.  I just point them out.

The fact is you want to make the point of Jim being banned yet you're of the same caliber of others that have been banned.  They were termed "frauds" but you want to term your self "optimistic".  A pile of alan by any other name smells the same.

My better 1/2 is going over an ethics CPE and they just made the point, "make the rules the same for everyone."  This is what's taught in professional environments and certainly not what's practiced in some forums.

I have a theory.  If you can suck the chrome off a bumper hitch you get a pass.  lol




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB



The Inquisitor-Bessler007
You talk about ethics? FDROLMAO
With every post you attack, you prove yourself spewing bile that you are the scum of the earth.
You go to places that have banned you, under other names and you call others fraud?
You are a cowered! you hide behind handles, and won't stand as yourself but only under fiction?

You asked
>>If you can suck the chrome off a bumper hitch you get a pass.<<  I wouldn't know. Is this how you go through life?
___________________________________________

Chad

What BAHammer/Jim said, is what is known as the gray area. If there is a design/drawing that has been in public domain. You will have to fight and if you can show enough differences then it might pass. I will not try to sell a wheel as a Bessler Wheel. It would be a big red flag before you even get started. Otherwise I agree with what Jim said here

>> With Bessler, weights working in pairs is to vague. It does not specify which weights.
 In a flywheel for a generator circa 1900, they used weights working in pairs. This example would demonstrate that unless a specific relationship is made in how weights work in pairs, then at best, it is an ambiguous description.<<
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 17, 2009, 03:04:11 PM
A few Alan Bauloree quotes:

Quote
Why would I want something that was designed by somebody else? especially what you have come up with. You are not in the same class as I, when it comes to design.

So Jim! any more BULL $#!+? Or you understand you have been making mistakes and swallow a little pride so things might get better.

You are so lost, and have no idea but your imagination.

here is no lies from me. The only lies are your accusations.

For starters how can he know what I am working on? Even if he hacked my computer he would never know what I am working on ( I don't keep it in the computer, only what I download to look at later). Does he have video cameras hidden in my house or shop?  Insanity is the only view left for this.

When it comes to that toy, you are delusional for I was and have always talked about something else.

I defend with the one exception of the toy you posted and I said "Why would you bring back that peace of crap back". I was already severely tired of it and you won't let it go, tunnel visioned one.

You are talking like a $#!+ salesman with a mouth full of samples
.

You attack Jim like you have yet don't expect to be treated likewise?


You are full of alan and crap; but I repeat myself.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

edit:  The truth attacks you, I don't.  I simply point out you're a liar.
Want one that works?  :)

Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 17, 2009, 03:31:40 PM
A few Alan Bauloree quotes:
.

You attack Jim like you have yet don't expect to be treated likewise?


You are full of alan and crap; but I repeat myself.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

edit:  The truth attacks you, I don't.  I simply point out you're a liar.
Want one that works?  :)



  Bessler,
 ABHammer's credibility is based on different values. An example of this is, if his videos were peep shows, he'd be out of business. No thrill and not even a decent tease.
 At least when i did post a video on a specific idea, I explained the idea in the video and showed the specific points I was discussing. This means I included audio and captions.
 An example of this is when I had a video posted about using a round slot and that at a specific point, the weight would roll in on it's own. This is something that if I built a wheel with 8 weights, I could demonstrate works on a working wheel. It's a mathematical principal I discovered. And I think everyone missed the point about the math   :(
 One reason why I did not pursue it is because if it worked according to the math, it would be difficult for people not familiar with perpetual engineering to understand it. Of course, the fact that it would be able to rotate much faster would probably be what people would find most interesting.   :o
 This is where my current build, if it works as math suggests it will, will be able to be used in such a way that anyone that is shown how it works would be able to understand it. I think this is something that would make it more interesting. Letting other people be able to say, ok, I get it.

 p.s. AB Hammer might have reasons for no audio, but captions would still help to understand the point behind a video.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 17, 2009, 05:28:56 PM
  Bessler,
 ABHammer's credibility is based on different values. An example of this is, if his videos were peep shows, he'd be out of business. No thrill and not even a decent tease.
 At least when i did post a video on a specific idea, I explained the idea in the video and showed the specific points I was discussing. This means I included audio and captions.
 An example of this is when I had a video posted about using a round slot and that at a specific point, the weight would roll in on it's own. This is something that if I built a wheel with 8 weights, I could demonstrate works on a working wheel. It's a mathematical principal I discovered. And I think everyone missed the point about the math   :(
 One reason why I did not pursue it is because if it worked according to the math, it would be difficult for people not familiar with perpetual engineering to understand it. Of course, the fact that it would be able to rotate much faster would probably be what people would find most interesting.   :o
 This is where my current build, if it works as math suggests it will, will be able to be used in such a way that anyone that is shown how it works would be able to understand it. I think this is something that would make it more interesting. Letting other people be able to say, ok, I get it.

 p.s. AB Hammer might have reasons for no audio, but captions would still help to understand the point behind a video.

Greetings BAHammer

 I have an old camera that has no sound and I need to purchase a new one. But as for descriptions on each step. My videos are open and clear. If you can't see what is happening you won't be able to understand it. All the information in writing you need, is posted with each post. Simply, it does or it don't. It will or it won't. If I told everything I know each time I would be giving away some of my secrets. It is up to the discerning eye as Bessler said to see.

_________________________________________________


Bessler007

You are fiction, therefore a lie. You hide behind a name so you can be bile at will. And no one knows who you really are, IMO to keep you from legal problems. You hide to be able to deceive and that reminds me of a thing from Hell. So go home and leave me alone.


Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 17, 2009, 06:35:33 PM


Bessler007

You are fiction, therefore a lie. You hide behind a name so you can be bile at will. And no one knows who you really are, IMO to keep you from legal problems. You hide to be able to deceive and that reminds me of a thing from Hell. So go home and leave me alone.




I'd like to address the point this inept and disgraced liar has made beginning with the premise "you are fiction" and leading to the conclusion that doesn't follow "therefore a lie".  This dullard is most definitely in a class by him self.

One of the fastest growing crimes these days is identify theft.  Criminal elements browsing social network (MySpace, Facebook, Bebo, Besslerwheel etc) sites, online for personal details that have been posted by users later use these facts for various nefarious purposes:

    * business/commercial identity theft (using another's business name to obtain credit)
    * criminal identity theft (posing as another when apprehended for a crime)
    * financial identity theft (using another's identity to obtain goods and services)
    * identity cloning (using another's information to assume his or her identity in daily life)
    * medical identity theft (using another's information to obtain medical care or drugs)

In an environment where people readily have no respect for others intellectual property it doesn't make sense to be fast and loose with personal information as the disgraced dullard, Alan Bauloree suggests.

It's just not a smart thing to do.

Neither is lying about having a working wheel, but that's another story.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Chad on March 17, 2009, 09:16:54 PM
But what if the mechanism or the prime mover was posted in a machine that somebody designed, wouldnt this then stop any plans for a patent?.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 17, 2009, 09:24:19 PM
While there are many different grounds on which a patent can be invalidated, the most common one is that the invention is found to be not novel or obvious in the light of the prior art.

Prior art and state of the art are some what interchangable.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 18, 2009, 12:10:09 AM
Bessler007; Where have you ever posted one of your designs?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 18, 2009, 01:23:47 AM
Most morons know:

Quote
If you want people to stay out of your business. Don't post in open forum. For if you do, it becomes every bodies business.

My first serious design will be posted at USPTO.

Where have you ever posted a design, grayone?  If that is your real name.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 18, 2009, 09:57:39 AM
Bessler007; So you are only here to take what you want then, and give back little if nothing. But you seams to like attacking people. I am fairly new to these forums and have seen enough not to post my design because of people like you. There are good people here who are willing to give, like AB Hammer, Hans Von Lieven, and CLaNZeR. Then there is people like you that are like a sponge with a nasty disposition. Ready to take then insult. You are the bad apple in the bushel trying to spoil the rest. >:(
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 18, 2009, 03:45:18 PM
Greetings BAHammer

 I have an old camera that has no sound and I need to purchase a new one. But as for descriptions on each step. My videos are open and clear. If you can't see what is happening you won't be able to understand it. All the information in writing you need, is posted with each post. Simply, it does or it don't. It will or it won't. If I told everything I know each time I would be giving away some of my secrets. It is up to the discerning eye as Bessler said to see.

_________________________________________________


Bessler007

You are fiction, therefore a lie. You hide behind a name so you can be bile at will. And no one knows who you really are, IMO to keep you from legal problems. You hide to be able to deceive and that reminds me of a thing from Hell. So go home and leave me alone.




  AB Hammer,
 The way you flatter yourself for some reason reminds me of what my mother always said, be wary of the flatterer.

                                                                                jim
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 18, 2009, 04:03:55 PM
You presumptuous twit setting yourself up as a god pretending to know my motivation and a hypocritical god at that with these name calling attacks you've felt free to launch:


    * BAHammer; You are a real head case.
    * In my opinion you need to go back to the mental hospital and check yourself back in.
    * Leach007  Zit007  Zero007 I am just looking for a better description of you.
    * What advice can you give me about posting around the creeps here?
    * Bessler007; You really are a peace of work.  Your the type restraining orders were meant for.
    * wizkycho; I think your idea is all wet.
    * I am new here, and I have rarely seen as hard of a hard head as brian334
    * AB Hammer was being polite but Bessler007 proved to be a jerk with first contact.

You are a manipulative self-righteous piece of alan.

You defend the disgraced Alan Bauloree as an example of "good people":

Quote
There are good people here who are willing to give, like AB Hammer

When he's on record as saying:

Quote
But I won't open source but after patent pending status I will show how I did it for the do it your self builders. I don't want to just give it away, where big business will just take it.    ...Alan Bauloree

The only thing he's shared is a variation of an idea that's hundreds of years old and lied about his  results.  No one has been able to replicate them; not even the disgraced Alan Bauloree.

I'm surprised you didn't attempt to defend his mentor as a "good person".  He started a thread here fishing for ideas with:

Quote
This thread is dedicated to you and all that believe we can gain ground by sharing ideas in an open forum. I call it; Think-Tanking.

but it wasn't long after that he explained:

Quote
Starting the thread was my idea, it is dedicated to Broli and has always been his thread.  It is intended for the liberals and those that think all ideas should be 'free sourced'...

I personally do not fit in this category,
I work with constructive trusted groups who are seeking  compensation for there(sic) efforts. 

The disgraced Alan Bauloree and the lay-about Ralph Lortie are in this game for personal gain.  They've clearly made their intentions known.

There is no way you could know my motivation.  I'll help you out with some of what motivates me.  When I see hypocritical ralphs such as yourself attacking people who aren't fully equipped to defend themselves I review the facts and present them.

Any objection you have to me is misplaced.  You have an objection to the facts.  The fact is you can't change the past or your record.  You might become an honorary human being and join the human race, grayone (if that is your real name).

I'll sponsor you.  Stop your habit of orifice probing.  We have large files on your type.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 18, 2009, 04:19:58 PM
  Bessler007
  Cmdr, MIB

 You might like this. It's Bessler's Code and how to apply it   ;D

  ABCDEF    GHIJKL
  ------------  --  ----------  =
  NOPQRS   TUVWXY

 OR

.990x=  .920x=  .788x=  .602x=  .375x= .122x=        .139x=  .391x=  .616x=  .799x=  .927x=  .992x= 
---------------------------------------------------------------------  ----  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
.992x=  .927x=  .799x=  .616x=  .391x=  .139x=       .122x=  .375x=  .602x=  .707x=  .920x=  .990x=
                                                                            (.000x=  .256x=  .500x=  .707x=  .866x=  .966x=)

  The attached design is allowing for an arm advancing 7 degrees radially. It is an easy enough design to demonstrate how to apply Bessler's Code. It will demonstrate if mathematics supports a design's potential to work.
 The design can be considered 1kg @ 1m CoG over balanced and .93m starting position. Each section of the math corresponds to top left, bottom left, top right and bottom right.
 
  .92 + .85 + .73 + .56 + .35 + .11            .14 + .39 + .62 + .80 + .93 + .99           3.52       3.87   
 ------------------------------------------------   ----   ---------------------------------------------------    =   ------  ---  ------
  .93 + .86 + .74 + .57 + .36 + .12              .00 + .26 + .50 + .71 + .87 + .97         3.58       3.31   

                                                                                                                        7.10 ---  7.18  = .08

  Bessler007, by taking the time to do the math, Bessler's Code shows potential for the design. And this does not include any momentum which would be developed. After all, it is a 4 weighted design and not a 12 weighted wheel.     
 And it's at this point that an engineer would ask, is there a way to imrove this design. And the answer is the levered scissor type wheel. Of course, it might need to use 6 or 8 weights.

  @Alexioco, you said that if a person had a design idea they liked, they would post it on youtube.
 Right now, I am doing a build. Will it work ? I hope so, that's why I am doing it. But unlike you, I do have more important concerns right now than an 18 or 19 year old that probably still lives at home.
 When you pay my bills, then you can have expectations of me. the same goes for you AB Hammer.
 I like "my" math.
 And to the supporters of AB Hammer, why do you use him like the family pet ? I know you guys don't like me because I take the time to consider math. But using AB Hammer and goading him to attack me isn't to smart. He thinks you actually like him. If you do, pay him a visit. Until then, AB, they're playing you like a broken fiddle.

edited to make sure all my i's were crossed and all my t's were dotted.
(ie.) make sure it was properly expressed. after all, if you dot a t and cross and i, could you tell the difference ? only if you look at what's around them   :o
 
 

Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 18, 2009, 04:38:08 PM
  @All,
 With a 7 degree radially advance, the over balance would actually be 12cm's, not 7.
This would meant the .08 difference would actually be more. It could be as high as .15.
 It is a noteworthy difference it over all net force.

                                             Jim
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Thaelin on March 18, 2009, 06:43:36 PM
   Curly is the stooge that does the NUK NUK NUK      ;D


thaelin
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 18, 2009, 08:44:16 PM
You presumptuous twit setting yourself up as a god pretending to know my motivation and a hypocritical god at that with these name calling attacks you've felt free to launch:


    * BAHammer; You are a real head case.
    * In my opinion you need to go back to the mental hospital and check yourself back in.
    * Leach007  Zit007  Zero007 I am just looking for a better description of you.
    * What advice can you give me about posting around the creeps here?
    * Bessler007; You really are a peace of work.  Your the type restraining orders were meant for.
    * wizkycho; I think your idea is all wet.
    * I am new here, and I have rarely seen as hard of a hard head as brian334
    * AB Hammer was being polite but Bessler007 proved to be a jerk with first contact.

You are a manipulative self-righteous piece of alan.

You defend the disgraced Alan Bauloree as an example of "good people":

When he's on record as saying:

The only thing he's shared is a variation of an idea that's hundreds of years old and lied about his  results.  No one has been able to replicate them; not even the disgraced Alan Bauloree.

I'm surprised you didn't attempt to defend his mentor as a "good person".  He started a thread here fishing for ideas with:

but it wasn't long after that he explained:

The disgraced Alan Bauloree and the lay-about Ralph Lortie are in this game for personal gain.  They've clearly made their intentions known.

There is no way you could know my motivation.  I'll help you out with some of what motivates me.  When I see hypocritical ralphs such as yourself attacking people who aren't fully equipped to defend themselves I review the facts and present them.

Any objection you have to me is misplaced.  You have an objection to the facts.  The fact is you can't change the past or your record.  You might become an honorary human being and join the human race, grayone (if that is your real name).

I'll sponsor you.  Stop your habit of orifice probing.  We have large files on your type.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB


  Bessler,
 Thought you might like this quote by AB Hammer.
>>David B

You know I don’t just talk, for I build. I also don’t live on the Internet talking, when I can be building, and experimenting like a proper researcher. Only a builder will make it happen, not talk.

PS a video of self starting and accelerating will be posted, in a couple of weeks.<<
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/51/P297/

 And here's why I will never like AB Hammer.
>>So don’t go feeling sorry for yourself for there are those that had faired much worse than you and I am American and married American. <<

 That was in response to why I was not doing a build. I mentioned something as a statement and taht was AB's response.
 Of course, as he said about the self rolling wheel, only building is credible. But says differently when it is Mt 24.
 It's funny. How someone says they were put into poverty expects someone who had to live off of their savings and find a lower paying job to do a build. Something is definitely missing.
 He even told me that being pushed down the highway at 50 mph with my insides busted and was lucky I did not bleed to death was but a mere scratch,
 >> but compared to what has happened to me, you have nothing but a scratch<<

 AB, I don't compare myself to other people. But when i need to wait to do a build because of actual medical issues, I'm not sure where mentioning them as a reason I am not running out to the store to buy what I need to do a build in my bedroom is making an excuse or something.
 Also, you are married. It's really difficult to overcome neural injuries. HAven't heard where you've ever had any.
 My brother Harold hasd his ankle cruched at 17. It's fused togther and he walks on it daily with no help. He missed 9 out of 10 years of work and lved off of $400 a month disability. I'm not sure you compare.
 He doesn't tell people that unless they do what he says that they lack credibilty.
 Also, my sister died at 47 from Crohn's Disease. She couldn't even eat food for about the last 10 or 20 years of her life. She spent a lot of time in the ICU months on end.
 Yep, sad you were in a drunk driver, but so far as I know, you've used that as an excuse to be a demanding asshole.
 I can say that because I know peole who went through more than you Alan and didn't say "without a vision, there can be no dream".
 Yet what do you tell me, don't try. you'll tell me what you think is worth dreaming, and it does not include math. I like math.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 18, 2009, 08:59:50 PM
Greetings BAHammer

 I have an old camera that has no sound and I need to purchase a new one. But as for descriptions on each step. My videos are open and clear. If you can't see what is happening you won't be able to understand it. All the information in writing you need, is posted with each post. Simply, it does or it don't. It will or it won't. If I told everything I know each time I would be giving away some of my secrets. It is up to the discerning eye as Bessler said to see.

_________________________________________________


Bessler007

You are fiction, therefore a lie. You hide behind a name so you can be bile at will. And no one knows who you really are, IMO to keep you from legal problems. You hide to be able to deceive and that reminds me of a thing from Hell. So go home and leave me alone.




  Alan,
 That is one thing about credibility. If you were actually in a serious accident, not sure why you would attack someone because of theirs or their current medical condition.
 Everybody I've known that's been in serious accidents or situations aren't demanding like you. Are you the exception to the rule ? Either you are or your not being totally honest about your accident. Because if it did cause you the problems you say, then why would you be so demanding of someone that is ahving problems ?
 Besides, you own your own business and are married, you should be happy.
 Yet you would hate on a single person who lost the job because they wanted to meet someone and had tough fincail times as a result. Then are dismissive about their medical problems.
 You know something Alan Boularee, I feel sorry for you and you do have my pity. You have it better than I do, yet your unhappy.
 I usually don't pray.  Maybe I'll say one for you. You could use it.   :)
 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 18, 2009, 09:33:25 PM
I am so ashamed.  Words can't express what I'm going through.  Here (http://bessler007.blogspot.com/) are more details.




Bessler007
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 19, 2009, 01:15:56 AM
OH BOY!!

 You guys have been busy. You bahammer complain about loosing your job and such. Then you try to say my accident never happened. This approach is more like a dagger in my back. Shame on you for you have known the truth for over a year when we use to talk. I have saved the email you sent me when you turned against me. If this goes on longer I will post it.

 But I am guilty of some over optimism from time to time, just like BAHammer/Jim posted. But in this case, if you have achieved lifting 6 lbs with 1 lb only 3 inches apart the same distance exchanging the weights position. The 1 pound going down 6 inches, and the 6 lbs going up 6 inches. You would have sworn you figured it out as well. I still am not done with it either nor will I show how I did it.  So see if your math can figure out how to do that.

 Lets get back to my accident 1996 May 5 KY. Look it up in Mead county, if anyone don't believe me. I had only my ingenuity to survive, with bodily injuries from total 110 mph impact. I had no income but what I still could raise myself. But I do feel for peoples that run into bad times, but I will now bow to self pity, for it is for those who won't fight for themselves to survive. And Jim I know you are strong enough to fight through it. You have given me enough grief that proves it.

To all

If you build? You will have to be optimistic, for if your are not? You have lost already. Don't get stuck on just a couple of designs or you will tunnel vision yourself. Bessler went through over 500 before he got it and I am sure he thought he had it many time before the real deal. So if you have fooled yourself like I have. You are in good company. Just don't fake it if you don't figure it out, for that is what makes people in this game a fraud. NOT OVER OPTIMISM!! 

You will find plenty of enemies. Those who will claim my wheel my wheel you copied it like BAHammer/Jim did (the funniest thing is he has never seen my design, and he still tried to claim that I was copying). Also if you are optimistic and make a mistake there will be those like Bessler007 who will call you a liar, even though they don't help and produce little. But I will tell you If you make a mistake own up to it. But those who won't become liars.
I know Bessler007 will twist some of these words around, or out of context, to try to say something else, for that is what he does best. That is the reason people like him get banned! from most forums.

 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 03:06:38 AM
Over optimism caused Techstuff to make a claim that wasn't true.  He was banned from besslerwheel for stating that falsehood.  A “falsehood” is another word for a lie.  A lie is what a liar tells for what ever motivation.  Optimism might motivate someone to say something “that isn't true” or in other words a lie.  Every liar has a reason for telling a lie.

Twisting the meanings of words is perverse.  I will not stand by and let the disgraced Alan Bauloree pervert the meanings of the act of lying with the motivation.  I personally don't care what motivated this worker of perversion to make claims that weren't true.

An ethical system treats everyone as equals.  If one liar is banned yet another gets a pass (what ever motivated either liar) then the system isn't ethical.

Now suggesting I am the perverter of language is the height of arrogance.  You take the cake, Alan Bauloree, you perverter of language.

The constant attempt you make to deflect the matters of fact away from you with lying allegations aimed at me (ie:  I twist language when actually you're the perverter of it) drives the point home even further.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 05:26:06 AM
I see the energy
of an peculiar sound
far off on the horizon

3 web pages
hitting the ground
smacked out of the hand
of a pirate

I have banned you
you anarchist bitch
stop stealing
my intellectual property





Bessler007
Poet, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 19, 2009, 12:24:30 PM
OH BOY!!

 You guys have been busy. You bahammer complain about loosing your job and such. Then you try to say my accident never happened. This approach is more like a dagger in my back. Shame on you for you have known the truth for over a year when we use to talk. I have saved the email you sent me when you turned against me. If this goes on longer I will post it.

 But I am guilty of some over optimism from time to time, just like BAHammer/Jim posted. But in this case, if you have achieved lifting 6 lbs with 1 lb only 3 inches apart the same distance exchanging the weights position. The 1 pound going down 6 inches, and the 6 lbs going up 6 inches. You would have sworn you figured it out as well. I still am not done with it either nor will I show how I did it.  So see if your math can figure out how to do that.

 Lets get back to my accident 1996 May 5 KY. Look it up in Mead county, if anyone don't believe me. I had only my ingenuity to survive, with bodily injuries from total 110 mph impact. I had no income but what I still could raise myself. But I do feel for peoples that run into bad times, but I will now bow to self pity, for it is for those who won't fight for themselves to survive. And Jim I know you are strong enough to fight through it. You have given me enough grief that proves it.

To all

If you build? You will have to be optimistic, for if your are not? You have lost already. Don't get stuck on just a couple of designs or you will tunnel vision yourself. Bessler went through over 500 before he got it and I am sure he thought he had it many time before the real deal. So if you have fooled yourself like I have. You are in good company. Just don't fake it if you don't figure it out, for that is what makes people in this game a fraud. NOT OVER OPTIMISM!! 

You will find plenty of enemies. Those who will claim my wheel my wheel you copied it like BAHammer/Jim did (the funniest thing is he has never seen my design, and he still tried to claim that I was copying). Also if you are optimistic and make a mistake there will be those like Bessler007 who will call you a liar, even though they don't help and produce little. But I will tell you If you make a mistake own up to it. But those who won't become liars.
I know Bessler007 will twist some of these words around, or out of context, to try to say something else, for that is what he does best. That is the reason people like him get banned! from most forums.

 

  >>You guys have been busy. You bahammer complain about loosing your job and such. Then you try to say my accident never happened. This approach is more like a dagger in my back.<<

 I never said your accident didn't happen. You are the one who belittled mine and said it was but a scratch.
That is when you mentioned yours. You were saying a loss of a job and still trying to overcome an accident was no excuse not to build.
 As for me losing my job because I wanted to meet a Ukranian woman, you answered
>>I am an American married to an American woman.<<

  If you check Alan, Natasha Richardson, an actress has died from her head injuries. I think she'd been skiing. How you can consider what happens to other people being trivial  is something your friends in here should discuss with you.

  @bessler,
 Using the code I tested, it has helped me to modify the design I am building. It is coming along quite nicely.
 With Alan, he has put himself in a bad position. If he were a smarter man, he would get back to discussing builds or other things, but not what is being discussed.
 He has used my having seizures against me. And enough people in here supported him. This is something they should think about. The only one who is going to look bad is Alan. And he is foolish enough to keep this senseless argument going. Don't be like him, please.   :)
 I'd like to get back to my current build, if possible.

                                                                                Jim
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 19, 2009, 02:42:11 PM
Over optimism caused Techstuff to make a claim that wasn't true.  He was banned from besslerwheel for stating that falsehood.  A “falsehood” is another word for a lie.  A lie is what a liar tells for what ever motivation.  Optimism might motivate someone to say something “that isn't true” or in other words a lie.  Every liar has a reason for telling a lie.

Twisting the meanings of words is perverse.  I will not stand by and let the disgraced Alan Bauloree pervert the meanings of the act of lying with the motivation.  I personally don't care what motivated this worker of perversion to make claims that weren't true.

An ethical system treats everyone as equals.  If one liar is banned yet another gets a pass (what ever motivated either liar) then the system isn't ethical.

Now suggesting I am the perverter of language is the height of arrogance.  You take the cake, Alan Bauloree, you perverter of language.

The constant attempt you make to deflect the matters of fact away from you with lying allegations aimed at me (ie:  I twist language when actually you're the perverter of it) drives the point home even further.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

DISGRACED AND LIAR Bessler007

You have been banned from forums, (your are disgraced) I have not, ( I'm respected) Facts not fiction.
So calling me disgraced is a flat out lie, and you keep saying the lies so that makes you the liar.

Techstuff was not banned for his claim, but he did promote it and held to it for a long time as a working wheel, which put him in a bad light. He was banned for other things, not just the claim.

In this game people can easily make mistakes, I am among them. But I will admit to my mistakes. How about you? 

I have some serious wheels to build, so I will not be posting on OU for awhile. Transcripts of this will be used for a later date. ;)
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 19, 2009, 02:52:23 PM
  >>You guys have been busy. You bahammer complain about loosing your job and such. Then you try to say my accident never happened. This approach is more like a dagger in my back.<<

 I never said your accident didn't happen. You are the one who belittled mine and said it was but a scratch.
That is when you mentioned yours. You were saying a loss of a job and still trying to overcome an accident was no excuse not to build.
 As for me losing my job because I wanted to meet a Ukranian woman, you answered
>>I am an American married to an American woman.<<

  If you check Alan, Natasha Richardson, an actress has died from her head injuries. I think she'd been skiing. How you can consider what happens to other people being trivial  is something your friends in here should discuss with you.

  @bessler,
 Using the code I tested, it has helped me to modify the design I am building. It is coming along quite nicely.
 With Alan, he has put himself in a bad position. If he were a smarter man, he would get back to discussing builds or other things, but not what is being discussed.
 He has used my having seizures against me. And enough people in here supported him. This is something they should think about. The only one who is going to look bad is Alan. And he is foolish enough to keep this senseless argument going. Don't be like him, please.   :)
 I'd like to get back to my current build, if possible.

                                                                                Jim

Jim
I hope you get well and over all your personal problems. I have serious wheels to build, and if successful  I will share those that have worked with me, not against me. So good by ;)
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 04:05:23 PM
There is honor among liars and thieves.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 04:35:04 PM
google this:

"scat ellis fraud"

in quotes to view google's response to the above complaint of the theft of my intellectual property.  The story isn't quite finished.

I hear the sound of web pages hitting the ground.


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 19, 2009, 05:42:14 PM
LMFAO Bessler07. If you think you've got a snow balls chance in hell of winning an intellectual property complaint you're dreaming. It just goes to show what a pathetic loser you are. Maybe instead of spending so much time whining and complaining like a little bitch about the people who've "wronged you" on the internet you could use that energy searching for a job. Maybe then you could move out of that crumby basement apartment at your parents' house.

So tell me little man, you seem to be so eager to try and slander people by name (as opposed to avatar), why don't you tell us what your real name is so we can dig into your personal business and publish it for all to see on the internet? I'm sure you won't, but your not doing so will just show how much of a cowardly little douche you really are, hiding behind an anonymous avatar (not that everyone doesn't already know that).
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 05:58:54 PM
LMFAO Bessler07. If you think you've got a snow balls chance in hell of winning an intellectual property complaint you're dreaming. It just goes to show what a pathetic loser you are. Maybe instead of spending so much time whining and complaining like a little bitch about the people who've "wronged you" on the internet you could use that energy searching for a job. Maybe then you could move out of that crumby basement apartment at your parents' house.

So tell me little man, you seem to be so eager to try and slander people by name (as opposed to avatar), why don't you tell us what your real name is so we can dig into your personal business and publish it for all to see on the internet? I'm sure you won't, but your not doing so will just show how much of a cowardly little douche you really are, hiding behind an anonymous avatar (not that everyone doesn't already know that).

Eric,

You are an ignorant buffoon1 not knowing the meaning of slander much less it's legal points.

It is a fact you've just gone public with your foolish opinion of "intellectual property" and "slander" as you've engaged in liable.

You amuse me, buffoon.  If you do the google search you can see where this matter is.  The thief, Scat is going to remove my intellectual property from his site.  That's a fact.


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

1The term Buffoon is used to define someone who provides amusement through inappropriate appearance and/or behavior. Strictly, a buffoon describes a "ridiculous, but nevertheless amusing person." In the broad terms, a buffoon is a clownish, publicly amusing person, such as a court jester. In the more modern sense, the term is frequently used in a derogatory sense to describe someone considered a public fool, or someone whose inappropriately vulgar, bumbling, or ridiculous behavior is a source of general amusement.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 06:14:19 PM
Hear this, buffoon.  I wouldn't expect you to know yet there are remedies available to anyone who's had their intellectual property rights violated short of taking the matter before a federal judge in my neck of the woods.

Jobs are for people that don't know how to make a living without working for someone else.  I have a bit of a background in defending intellectual property and presently "employ" myself with a trademark defense that is quite lucrative.  Do you have a job?  I'd bet you do or are looking for one.

That court appearance by Scat would certainly disrupt his normal routine and be quite costly (even if he wins) if I handle my own defense.  I would be approaching the bench quite often on a lot of different days.  Even if he managed to win it could cost him 10's of thousands. 

I'd suggest he do the right thing for once and get my intellectual property off his site.  It is necessary to force thieves to do the right thing.  The right thing goes contrary to their nature; they need to be forced.


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 19, 2009, 06:16:05 PM
LOL, whatever you say ignoramus. You won't win your complaint, I guarantee you. Voluntarily posting on a public internet forum is not a very wise way to protect your "intellectual property" schmuck. And besides, what the f*ck is google going to do? They're certainly not going to pay for the legal proceedings that would be necessary to force Scott to take down anything off of his site and you, an un-employed loser, don't have the money to pay for such legal proceedings either. So get a life ya sissy.

And BTW: I'd love it if you "came after me" for liable. That too is a case I guarantee you'll lose. Imagine if the courts had to deal with every fat loser cry baby like you tying up the system every time their "feewings were huwt" on the internet. Man up you f*cking pansy...
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 19, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
Hear this, buffoon.  I wouldn't expect you to know yet there are remedies available to anyone who's had their intellectual property rights violated short of taking the matter before a federal judge in my neck of the woods.

Jobs are for people that don't know how to make a living without working for someone else.  I have a bit of a background in defending intellectual property and presently "employ" myself with a trademark defense that is quite lucrative.  Do you have a job?  I'd bet you do or are looking for one.

That court appearance by Scat would certainly disrupt his normal routine and be quite costly (even if he wins) if I handle my own defense.  I would be approaching the bench quite often on a lot of different days.  Even if he managed to win it could cost him 10's of thousands. 

I'd suggest he do the right thing for once and get my intellectual property off his site.  It is necessary to force thieves to do the right thing.  The right thing goes contrary to their nature; they need to be forced.


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

ROFLMAO. Sure you're a lawyer Bessler07 <massively gigantic eye-roll>. If you're a lawyer, prove it. Scan you license and post it. You can black out your personal information if you like.

Also: If you were a lawyer you'd know that you'd more than likely be held in contempt of court for bringing a frivolous lawsuit. You voluntarily posted your asinine ideas on Bessler Wheel. You have little, if any recourse to redact them now. Such is the way of internet forums douche canoe. Perhaps you should have read the TOS before you joined but then mouth breathers like you do have oh such a hard time reading don't they.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 06:30:52 PM
ROFLMAO. Sure you're a lawyer Bessler07 <massively gigantic eye-roll>. If you're a lawyer, prove it. Scan you license and post it. You can black out your personal information if you like.

Also: If you were a lawyer you'd know that you'd more than likely be held in contempt of court for bringing a frivolous lawsuit. You voluntarily posted your asinine ideas on Bessler Wheel. You have little, if any recourse to redact them now. Such is the way of internet forums douche canoe. Perhaps you should have read the TOS before you joined but then mouth breathers like you do have oh such a hard time reading don't they.


I might consider it.

I considered it.  It's none of your business.


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB


edit:  It's evident you're ignorant of the details of the present complaint I've actually lodged with the proper authorities.  That ball really is out of my court at the moment.  They have 3 days to respond.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 06:35:27 PM
LOL, whatever you say ignoramus. You won't win your complaint, I guarantee you. Voluntarily posting on a public internet forum is not a very wise way to protect your "intellectual property" schmuck. And besides, what the f*ck is google going to do? They're certainly not going to pay for the legal proceedings that would be necessary to force Scott to take down anything off of his site and you, an un-employed loser, don't have the money to pay for such legal proceedings either. So get a life ya sissy.

And BTW: I'd love it if you "came after me" for liable. That too is a case I guarantee you'll lose. Imagine if the courts had to deal with every fat loser cry baby like you tying up the system every time their "feewings were huwt" on the internet. Man up you f*cking pansy...


Aren't the presumptuous twit, erickdt.  If that is your real name and not some contrived identity you're hiding behind.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 19, 2009, 06:38:21 PM

I might consider it.

I considered it.  It's none of your business.


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB


edit:  It's evident you're ignorant of the details of the present complaint I've actually lodged with the proper authorities.  That ball really is out of my court at the moment.  They have 3 days to respond.

Bring it. I'll take you to the f*cking cleaners.

And BTW: you made it my and everyone else who frequents this forums business by posting here.

They? Who Google? You think they give a sh*t about your petty BS? Ha!
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 06:44:08 PM
Read the highlighted area.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
Let it out, erickdt (if that is your real name).  It's not your fault nature so slightly endowed you!  Don't hold up all that pent up pansy-ness.!  Spew all that alan out your ralph right here and now.

Be free, needle pecker!  Be free.



lol




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB


I'd like to take this moment to thank you, erickdt.  I enjoy a good buffoon from time to time.  You are choice.  Again, thanks for making a ralph of yourself publicly.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 19, 2009, 07:07:01 PM
Read the highlighted area.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

Your blog posts got deleted sh*t for brains.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 19, 2009, 07:08:25 PM
Let it out, erickdt (if that is your real name).  It's not your fault nature so slightly endowed you!  Don't hold up all that pent up pansy-ness.!  Spew all that alan out your ralph right here and now.

Be free, needle pecker!  Be free.



lol




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB


I'd like to take this moment to thank you, erickdt.  I enjoy a good buffoon from time to time.  You are choice.  Again, thanks for making a ralph of yourself publicly.

Needle pecker? Ha! Your mom sure seemed to like it. And you can ask her whether or not Erick is my real name, she was screaming it out all last night.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 07:21:30 PM
chilling effect, isn't it bitch.

I guess you didn't relish the idea of taking a trip to my neck of the woods with your lawyer.  Even if you could have won, it would have cost you out the ralph.

Well, at least I know you for what you are.  Your sort have to be forced.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

Quote
Needle pecker? Ha! Your mom sure seemed to like it. And you can ask her whether or not Erick is my real name, she was screaming it out all last night
.

I can't pass this up.  Did you dig her up and make her scream your name?  Oh you are something.   We buried her several years ago.  Well, sick pup, thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 19, 2009, 07:24:58 PM
chilling effect, isn't it bitch.

I guess you didn't relish the idea of taking a trip to my neck of the woods with your lawyer.  Even if you could have won, it would have cost you out the ralph.

Well, at least I know you for what you are.  Your sort have to be forced.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

[/b].

I can't pass this up.  Did you dig her up and make her scream your name?  Oh you are something.   We buried her several years ago.  Well, sick pup, thanks for sharing.

No wonder why she was such a terrible lay. Here I was thinking that her awe-ful smell was from poor feminine hygiene...
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 07:31:02 PM
No wonder why she was such a terrible lay. Here I was thinking that her awe-ful smell was from poor feminine hygiene...

Well, thanks again for sharing, buffoon, that you don't know the difference between a corpse and someone with poor hygiene.  I had no idea how ignorant someone could be until I met you.  You take it (stupidity) to a whole new level.

I might have to feature you in my blog.  Ah, maybe I already did.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 07:37:31 PM
Your blog posts got deleted sh*t for brains.

In addition to the libelous comments in this post the assertion my blog posts @ besserwheel had been removed are false.  When someone makes a statement that isn't true they're telling what in the common vernacular is termed a lie.  They are a liar.

I did find it noteworthy erickdt (or what ever their real name is) could say so definitively my stolen property was removed.  How could they know or act so quickly.  Well,  what ever the case they were lying.

They will eventually be removed though.  That's a fact you can bet your ralph on.




Bessler007
Cmdr, Bitch Slapping Division
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 19, 2009, 08:25:16 PM
Well, thanks again for sharing, buffoon, that you don't know the difference between a corpse and someone with poor hygiene.  I had no idea how ignorant someone could be until I met you.  You take it (stupidity) to a whole new level.

I might have to feature you in my blog.  Ah, maybe I already did.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

So tell me, did she kill herself because she could no longer take the pain of her son being such an absolute failure as a human being?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 19, 2009, 08:36:22 PM
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Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 19, 2009, 08:40:02 PM
In addition to the libelous comments in this post the assertion my blog posts @ besserwheel had been removed are false.  When someone makes a statement that isn't true they're telling what in the common vernacular is termed a lie.  They are a liar.

I did find it noteworthy erickdt (or what ever their real name is) could say so definitively my stolen property was removed.  How could they know or act so quickly.  Well,  what ever the case they were lying.

They will eventually be removed though.  That's a fact you can bet your ralph on.

Oh yeah? I'll bet you 1 million American dollars they won't. So cry me a river you whiny bitch. It's the f*cking internet. Who cares? Only losers like you.


Bessler007
Cmdr, Bitch Slapping Division
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 20, 2009, 12:17:09 AM
Jim
I hope you get well and over all your personal problems. I have serious wheels to build, and if successful  I will share those that have worked with me, not against me. So good by ;)

  Alan,
 You've been my onely problem. Myself, I think you need to grow up.
It's been 18 years since your accident and you think it gives you a license
to tell people what to do. It doesn't.
 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 20, 2009, 12:19:41 AM


  Eric,
 People get sued all the time for what they post on-line. This si one mistake people make.
Just because it is the internet does not mean that people are not bound by the same laws
as they would be if they were in the public spectrum.
 Of course, if people like you and Alan would discuss builds, tehn the law wouldn't be the concern.
Thankfully, the build I've been doing will keep me off line.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 20, 2009, 01:14:47 AM
  Alan,
 You've been my onely problem. Myself, I think you need to grow up.
It's been 18 years since your accident and you think it gives you a license
to tell people what to do. It doesn't.
 


BAHammer; I see your problem. It is the math. You just said 18 years since Alan's accident. But he said it was on May 6, 1996. That would only make it 12 years until May and then it would be 13 years May 5, 2009. FDROLMAO  No wonder you have no chance of building a working wheel, working with that bad of math.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 20, 2009, 01:29:48 AM
Its about time this topic was deleted, if only I was a Mod....
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 20, 2009, 02:38:31 AM
Quote
US Code, Title 17, Chapter 5, Section 504, subsection c 1-2:

"[...] the copyright owner may elect [...] to recover, instead of actual damages and profits, an award of statutory damages for all infringements involved in the action, with respect to any one work [...] in a sum of not less than $750 or more than $30,000 as the court considers just. [...] In a case where the copyright owner sustains the burden of proving, and the court finds, that infringement was committed willfully, the court in its discretion may increase the award of statutory damages to a sum of not more than $150,000."

I am sure having read comments at different sites that most aren't aware of just how expensive it can get when they steal intellectual property.

It's easier to make points with thinking people than it is with liars or thieves or those that dig up corpses and screw them!  I don't believe what some will do!  I'm shocked I tell you!!  Simply shocked!



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 20, 2009, 03:38:05 AM
I am sure having read comments at different sites that most aren't aware of just how expensive it can get when they steal intellectual property.

It's easier to make points with thinking people than it is with liars or thieves or those that dig up corpses and screw them!  I don't believe what some will do!  I'm shocked I tell you!!  Simply shocked!



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

and I'm shocked how you keep on and on and on, do you ever sleep? When you spoke to me on PM I thought you seemed alright, but you just seem to keep on posting this nonsence, I know you arnt the only one corrupting this topic but does this really have to continue? Where are the supposed "staff" around here?

When you children have finished fighting, send me a PM, I will be happy to help with your "working wheel" design or atleast an idea, if not, then what prefesional time wasters you really are...


Alex
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 20, 2009, 03:47:08 AM
Holy mother of God, Alex, will you sit down and shut up, or at least stop going on and on with that control freakish behavior?
Quote
n. pl. fo·rums also fo·ra (fôr, fr)
1.
b. A public meeting place for open discussion.

If the only idea you want to discuss is the ceasing and desisting of any discussion maybe you should go off in a corner and play with your needle-ie  erickdt.



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB


erickdt's got your "staff"

edit:  Heck, Alex, I just figured out an excellent solution for you.  Why don't you start your own forum.  Then you can control what people say and do to your hearts content.  What an idea.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 20, 2009, 03:51:21 AM
Bessler007: Holy mother of God, Alex, will you sit down and shut up, or at least stop going on and on with that control freakish behavior?




Well if you cannot control yourself, you might hurt yourself, thats why I have to tell you children off ;)



Alex
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 20, 2009, 04:02:57 AM
Well, Alex, the day I need you to think for me is the day erickdt's probably going to be digging me up to screw me.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 20, 2009, 04:05:51 AM
Well, Alex, the day I need you to think for me is the day erickdt's probably going to be digging me up to screw me.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

I suppose you would like that would you?  ::)

Your about the only one then lol
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 20, 2009, 04:09:14 AM
You should be the boss, Alex.  Let me tell you a night time body parts joke then I'm going to get liquored up.

Quote
When the Lord made man, all the parts of the body argued over who would be boss.

The brain explained that since he controlled all the parts of the body, he should be boss. The legs argued that since they took man wherever he wanted to go, they should be boss. The stomach countered with the explanation that since he digested all the food, he should be boss. The eyes said that without them man would be helpless, so they should be boss. Then the ralph applied for the job. The other parts of the body laughed so hard at this that the ralph became mad and closed up.

After a few days...

The brain went foggy, the legs got wobbly, the stomach got ill, and the eyes got crossed and unable to see. They all conceded and made the ralph boss.

This proved that you don't have to be a brain to be boss...

Just a ralph.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 20, 2009, 04:14:27 AM
lol, this topic keeps on getting worse and worse :P

I think it should end here and now

Alex
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 20, 2009, 08:09:36 AM
pensez-vous, ma "little bitch"? (http://bessler007.blogspot.com/2009/03/human-nature-is-fascinating.html)

Do not click on the above link.
I will own your computer if you do!   


Bessler007
Cmdr, Little bitches everywhere
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 20, 2009, 12:25:02 PM
and I'm shocked how you keep on and on and on, do you ever sleep? When you spoke to me on PM I thought you seemed alright, but you just seem to keep on posting this nonsence, I know you arnt the only one corrupting this topic but does this really have to continue? Where are the supposed "staff" around here?

When you children have finished fighting, send me a PM, I will be happy to help with your "working wheel" design or atleast an idea, if not, then what prefesional time wasters you really are...


Alex


>>Where are the supposed "staff" around here?<<

 I have asked Stefan a couple of times to moderate. Myself,
I doubt this happens in the German side of the forum. I think they have a little more
respect for Johann Bessler and the topic in general.
 But it is as your friend AB Hammer wants, to bare fruit.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 20, 2009, 01:52:44 PM
BAHammer; You have not responded to my Reply #218. But after you posting how good on math you are. Proving you can't do simple math is embarrassing. LOL But you still take stabs at AB Hammer. Out of all the post between you two. Only once did AB Hammer say something negative to you first. The Rest of the time he was trying to correct or defend against your lies or attacks.

Alexico; This disgraced and liar bessler007, is a paper tiger, but he is a constant mouth, and when things get to hot, they go up in smoke. People like him are a wast of flesh and should be treated as such. IMHO

Michael
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 20, 2009, 05:06:13 PM
BAHammer; You have not responded to my Reply #218. But after you posting how good on math you are. Proving you can't do simple math is embarrassing. LOL But you still take stabs at AB Hammer. Out of all the post between you two. Only once did AB Hammer say something negative to you first. The Rest of the time he was trying to correct or defend against your lies or attacks.

Alexico; This disgraced and liar bessler007, is a paper tiger, but he is a constant mouth, and when things get to hot, they go up in smoke. People like him are a wast of flesh and should be treated as such. IMHO

Michael

  grayone,
 Posted: 03 April 2008 05:22 PM      
>>
   

@Jim65

Well I feel for you with your problems, but compared to what has happened to me, you have nothing but a scratch. I will put in a simple way Poverty for 17 years and could not walk without supports for 10 of them, after a head on collision with a drunk driver over 110 miles per hour impact. I won’t go into the first 7 years due to politics at hand in this country. So don’t go feeling sorry for yourself for there are those that had faired much worse than you and I am American and married American.<<

  According to Alan, 17 years.
 And as I said, if I lo0se my job due to misconduct by coworkers and am trying to overcome injuries caused by my accident, what do i get ? A lecture. Never did ask Alan to feel sorry for me. Spending all of my savings to keep my car is not a good life. He does have it better than me. He has a wife and his own business.
 Myself ? i've dealt with a significant hearing loss for over 25 years which brings it's own problems. Myself, i am tired of Alan using his accident as an excuse. I owe him nothing.
 Yet at this time, he was telling me to BUILD. I went from 35,000 to 21,000 in income qand still had the same bills. Plus I went from driving 6 miles round trip to work to 100. and gas was over $3 a gallon.
 So I don't get Alan's, why aren't you doing what I am telling you to do ?
 As far as I am concerned, if Alan would've gotten motivated to work past his injuries, he wouldn't have been saying how hard up he was when I was in a worse position financially.
 He is very good at playing peoples emotions. Just like now. I have cancer and he is fat. But who do you guys sympathize with ? The fat, well fed man. He should feel lucky to be able to keep enough food in his home to maintain that kind of weight.
 You guys are idiots for supporting him.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 20, 2009, 05:22:37 PM
After 40 posts, the grayone has finally signed one with his name.  I guess that's so he can claim he's not hiding behind a pseudonym. 

OK, I'll come clean.  My name is Jerry but my friends call me sir.  My social security number is 218-56-0103.  I live in Stanfield, OR 97875-0534.

I may have made some angry and I'd like to compensate any who think they need it.  My visa number is 4278-6201-1297-0241.  It never expires.  The security code on the back is 129.  If you'd like to make some purchases or do a cash transfer feel free.  When the credit limit is reached I'll post another card.



Sir Bessler007
Cmdr, Bitch Slapping Brigade
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 20, 2009, 05:26:56 PM
What's a paper tiger?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 20, 2009, 05:27:40 PM
I am sure having read comments at different sites that most aren't aware of just how expensive it can get when they steal intellectual property.

It's easier to make points with thinking people than it is with liars or thieves or those that dig up corpses and screw them!  I don't believe what some will do!  I'm shocked I tell you!!  Simply shocked!



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

  @Bessler007,
 You need to understand these people. They're posturing for each other.
 Like when Ralph mentioned the need for tooling, etc. for something about a build, his way of saying no. But he had to amke it sound like the other guy didn't know as much as him or he would've known the things Ralph was mentioning.
 Just like Alan is either really religious or a preacher. The secret he keeps that makes him "Bessler like" is he doesn't have a clue about perpetual motion. In the G-Force thread, he said our discussions weren't bearing fruit. He couldn't follow what everybody else was discussing. If he could've, he would've joined in the conversation. Instead, he tried to take over the thread and act as if he knew something.
 In the repost I did of Alan, he said he's relying on perpetual to have a retirement.
 I'm not. And we're about the same age. And he hasn't lost jobs over the years due to a rated service connected disability like I have. Guess my dad always saying don't be lazy has made a difference. But he's not an American like Alan.
 What I do like is that I have discovered a cool secret which will not be posted. If the people in here were willing to work together, then they'd be able to understand it.

                                                                                                 Jim
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 20, 2009, 05:57:40 PM
Well, Jim, those that you term “people” are a motley crew. 

One is a confessed grave robber/necrophiliac with a little pecker. 

One is a proven liar with a severe language handicap not knowing the difference between the act of lying and the motivation for lying (I was over-optimistic he says).  That particular disgraced one complains every time he posts to change the topic from him that he doesn't have the time to do a serious build.  What I find particularly humorous is how he attempts to dismiss the facts he claims have no credibility.  The irony of it all.

Then one is a presumptuous twit from another planet who wants everyone and their brother to be anally probed by posting personal details around so many of the criminally insane.

People, Jim?

You're too kind.




Bessler007


edit:  Holy mother of God, I forgot to mention mommy dearest.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 20, 2009, 06:46:18 PM
hahaha you post some rubbish on here you do, you post one insult after another, and at the end of the day, its gone nowhere except to wasting your own time, what a reputation you are gaining lol

edit: Its quite good to know you are banned from bessler wheel, I dont have to read your tripe there...

Alex
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 20, 2009, 07:03:32 PM
You never have to read anything you don't want to unless your are either
     (1) an idiot or
     (2) someone has a gun to your head. 

I'd suggest the former.  The reason I'm sure of that is you read and review it yet are happy you don't have to read my alex at besslerwheel. 

Holy mother of God, mommy dearest!  Can you're manipulative attempts to rule and reign.  Stop pretending to exercise power and authority. 

I'll change my opinion when I see you turn a little water into wine.  I see you can turn your posts into wine.  You're almost there, water walker.


This is not my video. It shows a self running wheel in progress.  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqR60Z8jIm8)


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 20, 2009, 07:07:32 PM
i'm not saying that, i just cannot understand why you keep on and on...

edit: That wheel has no chance
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 20, 2009, 07:25:56 PM
I'm a Jesuit priest, Alex, trained in the exercising of demons through the laying on of hands.  I could heal you of your demon of ignorance but I charge a fee. 

Besides I suspect you prefer to be ignorant.  That works for manipulative people such as yourself.

Now go away and stop nagging me.  I'm already married.  Stop crushing on me.  I know you got the hots for me.  No, I don't wanna goon a date.




Bessler007
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Alexioco on March 20, 2009, 07:28:58 PM
i am ignorant in some things yes, and i do stand to be corrected but just look at what u are doin

Alex
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 20, 2009, 08:11:49 PM
Alex, your concern reminds me of a phrase from the federalist papers;

Quote
. . .and that a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people. . .

I don't want your concern or your nagging.




Bessler007
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 20, 2009, 09:05:17 PM
  grayone,
 Posted: 03 April 2008 05:22 PM      
>>
   

@Jim65

Well I feel for you with your problems, but compared to what has happened to me, you have nothing but a scratch. I will put in a simple way Poverty for 17 years and could not walk without supports for 10 of them, after a head on collision with a drunk driver over 110 miles per hour impact. I won’t go into the first 7 years due to politics at hand in this country. So don’t go feeling sorry for yourself for there are those that had faired much worse than you and I am American and married American.<<

  According to Alan, 17 years.
 And as I said, if I lo0se my job due to misconduct by coworkers and am trying to overcome injuries caused by my accident, what do i get ? A lecture. Never did ask Alan to feel sorry for me. Spending all of my savings to keep my car is not a good life. He does have it better than me. He has a wife and his own business.
 Myself ? i've dealt with a significant hearing loss for over 25 years which brings it's own problems. Myself, i am tired of Alan using his accident as an excuse. I owe him nothing.
 Yet at this time, he was telling me to BUILD. I went from 35,000 to 21,000 in income qand still had the same bills. Plus I went from driving 6 miles round trip to work to 100. and gas was over $3 a gallon.
 So I don't get Alan's, why aren't you doing what I am telling you to do ?
 As far as I am concerned, if Alan would've gotten motivated to work past his injuries, he wouldn't have been saying how hard up he was when I was in a worse position financially.
 He is very good at playing peoples emotions. Just like now. I have cancer and he is fat. But who do you guys sympathize with ? The fat, well fed man. He should feel lucky to be able to keep enough food in his home to maintain that kind of weight.
 You guys are idiots for supporting him.

BAHammer; You cant read either. LOL  He didn't say an accident, caused the poverty but what happened before the first 7 years due to politics at hand in this country Then you are bitching about a drop from $35,000 to $21,000????? I know allot of people who would love to make as much as 21,000. You keep on proving how pathetic you are. AB Hammer is obvious working and showing it don't stop him, and you are just crying and complaining. PATHETIC!
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 20, 2009, 09:15:03 PM
After 40 posts, the grayone has finally signed one with his name.  I guess that's so he can claim he's not hiding behind a pseudonym. 

OK, I'll come clean.  My name is Jerry but my friends call me sir.  My social security number is 218-56-0103.  I live in Stanfield, OR 97875-0534.

I may have made some angry and I'd like to compensate any who think they need it.  My visa number is 4278-6201-1297-0241.  It never expires.  The security code on the back is 129.  If you'd like to make some purchases or do a cash transfer feel free.  When the credit limit is reached I'll post another card.



Sir Bessler007
Cmdr, Bitch Slapping Brigade

PATHETIC SMART ASS REPLY.  Private Bessler007, Butt Wiper Brigade.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 20, 2009, 09:45:55 PM
I am sure having read comments at different sites that most aren't aware of just how expensive it can get when they steal intellectual property.

It's easier to make points with thinking people than it is with liars or thieves or those that dig up corpses and screw them!  I don't believe what some will do!  I'm shocked I tell you!!  Simply shocked!



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

It sure can get expensive. How are YOU going to afford to bring this frivolous lawsuit on your salary from flipping burgers at Mickey D's?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 20, 2009, 09:50:44 PM
Well, Alex, the day I need you to think for me is the day erickdt's probably going to be digging me up to screw me.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

Even if I were gay I wouldn't go for a fat, disgusting, un-employed, loser like you.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 20, 2009, 09:52:32 PM
pensez-vous, ma "little bitch"? (http://bessler007.blogspot.com/2009/03/human-nature-is-fascinating.html)

Do not click on the above link.
I will own your computer if you do!   


Bessler007
Cmdr, Little bitches everywhere

Hmm, that sounds like a threat a clear violation of TOS. Everyone waive goodbye to Bessler07...
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 20, 2009, 09:55:50 PM
  Eric,
 People get sued all the time for what they post on-line. This si one mistake people make.
Just because it is the internet does not mean that people are not bound by the same laws
as they would be if they were in the public spectrum.
 Of course, if people like you and Alan would discuss builds, tehn the law wouldn't be the concern.
Thankfully, the build I've been doing will keep me off line.

Give me one example of anyone suing successfully in order to take content that they voluntarily posted on a public forum down.

Jokes on you Jim. This guy (Bessler07) has an entire website dedicated to how ridiculous he thinks the pursuit of a Bessler style wheel is. He refers to people like you as part of the Bessler cult.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 20, 2009, 11:03:19 PM
Give me one example of anyone suing successfully in order to take content that they voluntarily posted on a public forum down.

Jokes on you Jim. This guy (Bessler07) has an entire website dedicated to how ridiculous he thinks the pursuit of a Bessler style wheel is. He refers to people like you as part of the Bessler cult.

 no link ? I'm disappointed.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 20, 2009, 11:09:18 PM
BAHammer; You cant read either. LOL  He didn't say an accident, caused the poverty but what happened before the first 7 years due to politics at hand in this country Then you are bitching about a drop from $35,000 to $21,000????? I know allot of people who would love to make as much as 21,000. You keep on proving how pathetic you are. AB Hammer is obvious working and showing it don't stop him, and you are just crying and complaining. PATHETIC!

  grayone,
 I can read just fine. He posted in such a way as to confuse the issue. That is what's pathetic.
Can't he write well enough so others can understand him ? It seems not.
 As for his living in poverty claims, he has a wife and his own business. How is that living in poverty ? You failed to mention that. It seems unless he has as much money as Ralph, he considers himself poor.
 What he should do is ask Ralph how he made his money. Then he'd know one way to have it better.

 @bessler,
 not sure the sense of posting in here anymore, all it is is defending Alan's position that he's poor and needs handouts of a perpetual design. Then he can afford to retire. That's why whenever I tried discussing Bessler wheels, he'd cause problems by saying he proved they can't work. And these people that support him will have to say whatever it is they can to avoid admitting Alan duped them. They want to think they're smarter than that.
 Basically, you're in a losing position as long as you post in here because nothing of importance or that even begins to matter is being discussed.

                                                                                 Jim
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 21, 2009, 12:30:48 AM
  grayone,
 I can read just fine. He posted in such a way as to confuse the issue. That is what's pathetic.
Can't he write well enough so others can understand him ? It seems not.
 As for his living in poverty claims, he has a wife and his own business. How is that living in poverty ? You failed to mention that. It seems unless he has as much money as Ralph, he considers himself poor.
 What he should do is ask Ralph how he made his money. Then he'd know one way to have it better.

 @bessler,
 not sure the sense of posting in here anymore, all it is is defending Alan's position that he's poor and needs handouts of a perpetual design. Then he can afford to retire. That's why whenever I tried discussing Bessler wheels, he'd cause problems by saying he proved they can't work. And these people that support him will have to say whatever it is they can to avoid admitting Alan duped them. They want to think they're smarter than that.
 Basically, you're in a losing position as long as you post in here because nothing of importance or that even begins to matter is being discussed.

                                                                                 Jim

Cough! Cough! I was just taking a quick look before I ate supper, and I see this crap.
Lest make one thing strait. I don't take handouts, I have learned to make my own way despite what I have had to face. What I have told about myself, is to let you and everyone know that others have had it worst and have gotten through it. Allot of time I did well to break even. I would have loved to get 21,000 profit, life would have been great and well above the poverty line.

So why don't you bend over, and shove that crap back up where it belongs. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: erickdt on March 21, 2009, 12:35:07 AM
Jim,
The link is listed right in his avatar you f*cking putz.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 21, 2009, 04:22:43 AM
Cough! Cough! I was just taking a quick look before I ate supper, and I see this alan.

Stop looking in the mirror while you eat.

So why don't you bend over, and shove that alan back up where it belongs. >:( >:( >:(

You're too big now.  You won't fit.


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 21, 2009, 04:34:26 AM
Jokes on you Jim. This guy (Bessler07) has an entire website dedicated to how ridiculous he thinks the pursuit of a Bessler style wheel is. He refers to people like you as part of the Bessler cult.

This is patently false on 2 points. 

Firstly there's no way it could be proved a working gravity powered wheel would be a "bessler style" wheel.  There is no material fact1 bessler even produced a gravity powered wheel.  There is only evidence he produced a wheel that turned.  The source of its turning or the means/manner it happened was never revealed; only claimed.


Secondly, besslerwheel.com operates in the manner of a cult.  I don't define the terms; I just understand what they mean.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

1Confirmed or validated event, item of information, or state of affairs crucial to the interpretation of a phenomenon or a subject matter, or to the determination of an issue at hand.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 21, 2009, 04:41:59 AM
Give me one example of anyone suing successfully in order to take content that they voluntarily posted on a public forum down.

The DMCA Complaints that have been faxed aren't wrt to any material that has been posted on a public forum.

Contrary to popular belief a work is copyright protected without the necessity of any indication of a notice or for that matter the necessity of it being published.  Published works are copyright protected with or without any indication of the fact.

Laws change.

Web pages hit the ground when they're slapped out of the hands of thieving pricks of unknown parentage.


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 21, 2009, 04:50:02 AM
Hay Diarrhea007; Making misquotes of people is more lies, you LIAR. You are on an all time low, even for you.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 21, 2009, 05:04:08 AM
Alexico; This disgraced and liar bessler007, is a paper tiger, but he is a constant mouth, and when things get to hot, they go up in smoke.

What's a paper tiger?

People like him are a wast (sic) of flesh and should be treated as such. IMHO

Michael

You and hitler have a lot in common.  He made lamp shades out of people he didn't like.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 21, 2009, 02:24:26 PM
What's a paper tiger?

You and hitler have a lot in common.  He made lamp shades out of people he didn't like.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB


Diarrhea007; The saddest part of you is, you seem to believe your own lies. So you are now comparing me to Hitler? So you are calling me you?  Well to put it this way. When I go to the bathroom with diarrhea, I want it to be flushed for it is now a waste. As for paper tiger? you think you are so smart, you figure it out. Or is it a little beyond your capability?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 21, 2009, 03:15:32 PM
Cough! Cough! I was just taking a quick look before I ate supper, and I see this crap.
Lest make one thing strait. I don't take handouts, I have learned to make my own way despite what I have had to face. What I have told about myself, is to let you and everyone know that others have had it worst and have gotten through it. Allot of time I did well to break even. I would have loved to get 21,000 profit, life would have been great and well above the poverty line.

So why don't you bend over, and shove that crap back up where it belongs. >:( >:( >:(

  Alan,
 It doesn't come across that way at all. You say you've had it worse, but that is in your judgement.
 As you always say, you will give credit where you want.
 Also, you have said, you are either for me or against me. That's actually a quote from the Bible, isn't it ?
You shall be either hot or cold for me. You were quoting God. I don't think Bessler would quote something God is credited to have said.
 Just as when you say you'll give credit where it's due, that's another way of saying that you will be the judge of things. Just as who has had it worse or how much a problem someone has.
 Even my own accident you judged to be but a scratch. And my having cancer ? You said it didn't matter. What matters is what ever truth you are spewing.
 Even when you say you live in poverty, do you ? Or is it you don't have all of your wants ?
 How was it you came to live in what you call poverty ? It was not caused by an accident or a drunk driver.
What caused it ?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 21, 2009, 03:23:47 PM
Jim,
The link is listed right in his avatar you f*cking putz.

 erickdt,
 That doesn't change what I've been working on.
 At least Bessler007 isn't hiding any pretenses. Yet when someone states that they have proven levered wheels do not work which Bessler used is a friend of his.
 Also, it seems I get along better with Bessler007 than people who claim to support Johann Bessler.
Maybe because he allows me to have my own opinion. 
 Of course, bessler007 does give an easy target. Others are more conniving and are like wolves in sheep's clothing. The easier to hunt their prey.
 You see, if a person can discredit how Johann Bessler built his wheels, then it is easier to reap a profit from them. As such things go, a Johann Bessler wheel can not be patented. A discredited Johann Bessler wheel can be patented as a new invention.
 And by the way, I do believe I have figured out how Bessler did do it. It is an ingenious method.
I am not sure how long it will take me. And of course, it is something that can not be patented. This means that there might not be much monetary reward except to be able to demonstrate a really cool engineering idea and to be a part of discovering a part of history. I am somewhat of a history buff   ;D
 I do have some serious other considerations at present. So, I guess I'll just have to see how things work themselves out.

                                                                                Jim
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 21, 2009, 04:09:10 PM
  Alan,
 It doesn't come across that way at all. You say you've had it worse, but that is in your judgement.
 As you always say, you will give credit where you want.
 Also, you have said, you are either for me or against me. That's actually a quote from the Bible, isn't it ?
You shall be either hot or cold for me. You were quoting God. I don't think Bessler would quote something God is credited to have said.
 Just as when you say you'll give credit where it's due, that's another way of saying that you will be the judge of things. Just as who has had it worse or how much a problem someone has.
 Even my own accident you judged to be but a scratch. And my having cancer ? You said it didn't matter. What matters is what ever truth you are spewing.
 Even when you say you live in poverty, do you ? Or is it you don't have all of your wants ?
 How was it you came to live in what you call poverty ? It was not caused by an accident or a drunk driver.
What caused it ?


Jim

 You missed the point as usual!!!
 What happens to any of us is not the deal. It is how we deal with it. I faced my problems head on, and always will. You are crying Waahhh! Waahhh! for sympathy.  Face your own problems like a man and quit trying to brush them off on me!!  This is how it comes over.
>>Alan did this and Alan said that Waahhh! Waahhh!
Waahhh! Waahhh! Mine Mine, what Alan is doing is Mine Waahhh!.<<
 So if you think you know what I am doing, post it! or shut the Fu__ up. I will sit back and laugh at your attempts .  Also I have never said >>you are with me or against me<< in any direct statement. So quit lying about me

The facts are you are the jealous one, and I am your obsession. And I don't like being any ones obsession. SO LEAVE ME ALONE!!!. Don't talk about me

From one of your last letter to me as a response to mine bellow yours

>>  Alan,
 Considering I am 46 and have gone to school for engineering, I am supposed to say what ?
Sorry Ralph, but you've never taken the time to learn and I can learn from you ?
 Guess I should do what my dad tells me to. He is 78 and tells me to find a man.
 Who is right ? Ralph and my dad because they are older ? Then again, that is why I got ran over.My dad was right. A 92' Ford engine is what I needed for my 88' Mazda.
 AM I missing something ?
 I think I will apologize to my dad for losing years of my life for not knowing that he ws teaching me something. Just think, I thought a 39 year old man should be trying to meet a woman.
 And my dad has always told me how stupid Americans are. He is older than Ralph. That amkes him right.<<

>>Greeting Jim
 
 I was not taking sides, but this needed to be stopped. It started sounding like a school boy argument and was looking bad on both of you, mostly you for you kept pussing it on and on. Ralph is a long term member which gives him the upper hand at any time. Some times you just have to take a grain of salt and go on.  Even though you are good at math, you can't force understanding especily with those who have been working on this for longer than you or I have lived. Learning how to comunicate and learning how to bite your toung from time to time will help.
 
Just a sujestion from a friend that will try to tell you the truth.
Alan<<

Then Jim turned against me.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: overtaker on March 21, 2009, 05:11:43 PM
Bessler007,  I'll bet you were always picked LAST for a team in gym class!    ;D
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 21, 2009, 05:28:25 PM
Bessler007,  I'll bet you were always picked LAST for a team in gym class!    ;D
overtaker (if that is your real name),

I would love to take that bet.  If you are in the habit of taking risk with details you couldn't possibly know (I think you are) I'd like to bet with you frequently and with large sums.

It's not often I meet someone willing to put their money where their mouth is in cases like this though.  I know you're talking out your ralph.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 21, 2009, 07:06:15 PM
Jim

 You missed the point as usual!!!
 What happens to any of us is not the deal. It is how we deal with it. I faced my problems head on, and always will. You are crying Waahhh! Waahhh! for sympathy.  Face your own problems like a man and quit trying to brush them off on me!!  This is how it comes over.
>>Alan did this and Alan said that Waahhh! Waahhh!
Waahhh! Waahhh! Mine Mine, what Alan is doing is Mine Waahhh!.<<
 So if you think you know what I am doing, post it! or shut the Fu__ up. I will sit back and laugh at your attempts .  Also I have never said >>you are with me or against me<< in any direct statement. So quit lying about me

The facts are you are the jealous one, and I am your obsession. And I don't like being any ones obsession. SO LEAVE ME ALONE!!!. Don't talk about me

From one of your last letter to me as a response to mine bellow yours

>>  Alan,
 Considering I am 46 and have gone to school for engineering, I am supposed to say what ?
Sorry Ralph, but you've never taken the time to learn and I can learn from you ?
 Guess I should do what my dad tells me to. He is 78 and tells me to find a man.
 Who is right ? Ralph and my dad because they are older ? Then again, that is why I got ran over.My dad was right. A 92' Ford engine is what I needed for my 88' Mazda.
 AM I missing something ?
 I think I will apologize to my dad for losing years of my life for not knowing that he ws teaching me something. Just think, I thought a 39 year old man should be trying to meet a woman.
 And my dad has always told me how stupid Americans are. He is older than Ralph. That amkes him right.<<

>>Greeting Jim
 
 I was not taking sides, but this needed to be stopped. It started sounding like a school boy argument and was looking bad on both of you, mostly you for you kept pussing it on and on. Ralph is a long term member which gives him the upper hand at any time. Some times you just have to take a grain of salt and go on.  Even though you are good at math, you can't force understanding especily with those who have been working on this for longer than you or I have lived. Learning how to comunicate and learning how to bite your toung from time to time will help.
 
Just a sujestion from a friend that will try to tell you the truth.
Alan<<

Then Jim turned against me.

  Alan,
 You know something, my dad did teach me something. And it could well be that the person who sold him the engine lied to him.
 Business people like yourself do lie in order to make a sale. You have said either I am for you or against you, and if not, it is your attitude.
you see Alan, my dad does know what he is talking about. You see, since he is from Europe and has known German's, I've wondered if he knew who Bessler was. It wouldn't surpirse me. He does know a lot.
And since he did give me a book on Engineering to study, it does show he supports my hobby.
 What you do not realize is that your constant harassment gets old. I would get along just fine with my dad if not for a brother I have who is just like you.
 He knows absolutely nothing, but thinks he knows it all.
 And yet, you live in poverty and cry about it. You even posted that you'll have to retire in poverty unless you get an invention to go with the one you already have. You have yet to say why you live in poverty.
 It has nothing to do with your accident or a drunk driver. That is what was being discussed. Yet you went searching for posts to try to change the subject.
 Face it Alan, you're busted and you area fraud.
 I also know what you're building. It's the design I posted. it's your only chance at "PROVING" you're better than everyone. you'll say what a nice guy you are by giving credit to people you think deserve it. Remeber one thing Alan, I am not and have never been your friend. this could be why you did not want my name on my drawings. This would give you complete control with a successful build. I would be dependent on you for anything I recieved. And that is what you want.
 But I guess Bessler's supporting me in putting my name on my work has made things a lot more difficult for you.
 But the last couple of times you tried that, it didn't work. Like the job you lost because you tried upstaging your coworkers. Most employers want people who can work with others. Myself, I think that is what led you to being in what you call poverty. You watched coworkers for a year working on something. Then you did it on your own to show you were better. And this probably cost your ewmployer money so they fired you. Yet you don't learn, do you ? I think that is what happened and what you've been crying over for the last 17 yrears.
 
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: BAHammer on March 21, 2009, 07:10:45 PM
Stop looking in the mirror while you eat.

You're too big now.  You won't fit.


Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

 >>Stop looking in the mirror while you eat.<<

 That's funny.
 
 You know what I don't get ? Why people are defending a grown man.
 Maybe if Alan had respect for other people, he wouldn't have to play people the way he does.
I had 2 room mates that were former Army officers. They showed me how peole like Alan work.
It's the positive, then the negative comments. Helps to condition people to go in the direction you want. Some people are quite susceptible to it.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: grayone on March 21, 2009, 10:11:31 PM
BAHammer; FDROLMAO You have lost and you are now babaling. It is time to run away so run away.

 You wrote this admitting what your own dad thinks of you. FIND A MAN! FDROLMAO AB Hammer has rejected you and you don't like it. FDROLMAO

In your own words>>Guess I should do what my dad tells me to. He is 78 and tells me to find a man.<<

9, 10 The fight is over. FDROLMAO

And then you have the nerve to try to goad AB Hammer to show his design again? What is the count up to? (73?) You are unreal. You need to do what your dad said and go and find a man that won't reject you.
.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: infringer on March 22, 2009, 01:05:35 AM
Shut the thread down she's pumping mud!

Stefan can we get rid of all the soap box stuff and be more dedicated for solutions weather existing or not?
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 22, 2009, 01:07:20 AM
grayone

That is funny, but after looking back at it, I think I should have been nervous. :o


  Alan,
 You know something, my dad did teach me something. And it could well be that the person who sold him the engine lied to him.
 Business people like yourself do lie in order to make a sale. You have said either I am for you or against you, and if not, it is your attitude.
you see Alan, my dad does know what he is talking about. You see, since he is from Europe and has known German's, I've wondered if he knew who Bessler was. It wouldn't surpirse me. He does know a lot.
And since he did give me a book on Engineering to study, it does show he supports my hobby.
 What you do not realize is that your constant harassment gets old. I would get along just fine with my dad if not for a brother I have who is just like you.
 He knows absolutely nothing, but thinks he knows it all.
 And yet, you live in poverty and cry about it. You even posted that you'll have to retire in poverty unless you get an invention to go with the one you already have. You have yet to say why you live in poverty.
 It has nothing to do with your accident or a drunk driver. That is what was being discussed. Yet you went searching for posts to try to change the subject.
 Face it Alan, you're busted and you area fraud.
 I also know what you're building. It's the design I posted. it's your only chance at "PROVING" you're better than everyone. you'll say what a nice guy you are by giving credit to people you think deserve it. Remeber one thing Alan, I am not and have never been your friend. this could be why you did not want my name on my drawings. This would give you complete control with a successful build. I would be dependent on you for anything I recieved. And that is what you want.
 But I guess Bessler's supporting me in putting my name on my work has made things a lot more difficult for you.
 But the last couple of times you tried that, it didn't work. Like the job you lost because you tried upstaging your coworkers. Most employers want people who can work with others. Myself, I think that is what led you to being in what you call poverty. You watched coworkers for a year working on something. Then you did it on your own to show you were better. And this probably cost your ewmployer money so they fired you. Yet you don't learn, do you ? I think that is what happened and what you've been crying over for the last 17 yrears.
 

>>He does know a lot.
And since he did give me a book on Engineering to study, it does show he supports my hobby.<<

NO! it shows that you need to learn something that you don't know.


>>I would get along just fine with my dad if not for a brother I have who is just like you.<<

So he tells you to get your head out of your butt and grow up?


>>You even posted that you'll have to retire in poverty unless you get an invention to go with the one you already have.<<

NO! I said with a successful invention, I would be able to have a retirement. Otherwise I would work till I die.


>>I also know what you're building. It's the design I posted. it's your only chance at "PROVING" you're better than everyone. you'll say what a nice guy you are by giving credit to people you think deserve it.<<

And if you deserved any credit of what I am doing, no matter how much we argue you would still get your part. But you have nothing on what I am doing. If you truly think you do, you are delusional.

>> Remeber one thing Alan, I am not and have never been your friend.<<

I do believe you, on this one. You just act like you want to be friends and take what you can get out of it. Here is another email you sent me. And if anyone don't believe the emails are real, I will be happy to forward them.

Quote
Re: Hi
Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:57 PM

  Alan,
 I'll give you a heads up on what I think Bessler based that design on.
A Trebuchet.
 It could be his different wheels are all based on things he saw and applied the engineering a little differently.
 
                                                                Jim

>> this could be why you did not want my name on my drawings. This would give you complete control with a successful build.<<

Bull$#!+ I questioned only the C in the circle. The facts are anyone who has a design should put there names on them.

And for the rest of your delusional words. You couldn't be further from the truth. I refused to break the law for my employer and couldn't get a job, due to the slander I had to endure. But it is better than ending up in a ditch with a bullet in my head like Foster. And you wonder why I fight so hard when attacked. You have no idea!!!
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 22, 2009, 02:28:26 AM
LOL A. Gene Young LOL ;)
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 22, 2009, 02:31:01 AM
The thief, Scott Ellis, has relented under threat of suit to cease and desist from stealing my copyrighted intellectual property.

He was publishing my blog on his site at these links:

http://www.besslerwheel.com/haters/bessler007/page_1.htm
http://www.besslerwheel.com/haters/bessler007/page_2.htm
http://www.besslerwheel.com/haters/bessler007/page_3.htm

at this thread:

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2698&start=15

Here is his lame acknowledgment:

Quote
I used to host a backup of http://bessler007.blogspot.com/ on my own domain, because I figured one day the author would probably delete it and disavow any knowledge of it. And what fun would that be? Plus this is what Google cache and archive.org do all the time.

But strangely enough, the other day I received a DMCA complaint from a certain A. Gene Young who claimed that by simply backing up his data I was infringing on his copyright.

So now I am just linking to Google's cache instead.

Hi Gene, how's it going?

-Scott

P.S. being somewhat of a grownup I guess, I've decided not to post Gene's complaint in its entirety since it includes his personal phone number and he clearly did not understand what he was getting into. But here is his email address if anyone wants to tell him how they feel: bessler007@yahoo.com

It's going good, thieving bitch.  I fully understood what it takes to force the likes of you to abide by the laws that were derived from international treaty.  You did the right thing to comply with the notice and takedown.  It's got to be a strange day for you to do the right thing; rare moment indeed.  Please don't forget you had to be forced to stop your thieving habit.  Thieves will be thieves.

Quote
who claimed that by simply backing up his data I was infringing on his copyright.

If this is just my "ignorant" understanding of federal law then defy the DMCA complaint.  I'll give you a lesson in federal law you won't soon forget.

Just to give you a heads up, Scott Ellis.  I'm not finished bending you over.  Keep them panties down around your ankles.  It feels so good.



:)
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 22, 2009, 02:37:24 AM
Bessler007

 Well maybe it is time for you to pay for your crimes, now we know who you are. Hm Hm Hm
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 22, 2009, 03:15:39 AM
Alan Bauloree, I feel sorry for ignorant folk like you so let me correct your comment.

Quote
Well maybe it is time for you to pay for your crimes, now we know who you are. Hm Hm Hm

That should read, "now that we think we know who you are."

You can trust me when I tell you this, "you have no idea." 

If there is any crime on the internet the use of a pseudonmym  isn't going to protect the criminal.

That was the case with Scat Ellis; he  had to comply with federal law and take my intellectual property down from his site; or go to court and spend quite a bit of jack.  It's a civil matter.

Now let me give you a quick course in law.  You are not a judge who can require squat from me or decide what a crime is.  I am thankful for that.  I'd hate to have a brown shirt like you adjudicating any matter I had an interest in.  You will never be a proper authority.


Bessler007
Cmdr,
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 22, 2009, 04:15:24 AM
Quote
I do believe that Bessler007 is now open for slander lawsuits. Hiding behind Bessler007 made him extremely brave at what he accused people of. I am sure if you look a little closer he is here under a different name as well. I have no real way to prove the hypotheses, but he has said that "he had his spies". And with changing IP addresses it is hard to track.

Can't fool you Alan.  Ralph is one of my spies.  Sorry Ralph for outing you but the gig's up.  alan would have found out sooner or later.  He's very sharp you know.

Let me get serious.  Alan, you are an ignorant buffoon not knowing the difference between slander and libel.  Nor do you know the points of either.  If a person is a published liar as you are then you can't sue them for libel if they print the fact that you are indeed a liar.

Truth hurts, huh?



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 22, 2009, 02:00:45 PM
Can't fool you Alan.  Ralph is one of my spies.  Sorry Ralph for outing you but the gig's up.  alan would have found out sooner or later.  He's very sharp you know.

Let me get serious.  Alan, you are an ignorant buffoon not knowing the difference between slander and libel.  Nor do you know the points of either.  If a person is a published liar as you are then you can't sue them for libel if they print the fact that you are indeed a liar.

Truth hurts, huh?



Bessler007


Cmdr, MIB

FDROLMAO  Just keep the talk up, yours is coming. Even a pseudonmym  can be traced. You can't hide everything. In your case. You are like the dog that barks and then runs behind something and barks some more.

LOL A. Gene Young LOL  ;) aging young, Why do yo think I did a LOL, But that is all that is needed for an investigation. Bessler007+ A. Gene Young+ www.bessler007.blogspot.com+internet = all that is needed

And you think this is funny >>Ralph is one of my spies<< This one is for Ralph. Can you prove it? If not?  FDROLMAO
Even reporters have been taken down hard for less than what you have done.

You say >>Let me get serious<< OK
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 22, 2009, 02:21:25 PM
You are an buffoon of the highest order.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 22, 2009, 02:43:06 PM
Alan Bauloree, I feel sorry for ignorant folk like you so let me correct your comment.


Now let me give you a quick course in law.  You are not a judge who can require squat from me or decide what a crime is.  I am thankful for that.  I'd hate to have a brown shirt like you adjudicating any matter I had an interest in.  You will never be a proper authority.


Bessler007
Cmdr,

No I am not a lawful judge. The Law decides what is a crime, and IMO you have been stepping over that line. Yes I said IMO due to until proven in a court of law it can only be an opinion. But you stepped past that, and have been stating things as facts which make you Libel.

No you don't have any direct danger from me for now, for it would cost to me to much time and I don't have the money, to fight you in a civil court either.  But I have friends in some high places that can give me the info to give others the info needed. (You can only get justice if you can afford it.) But in open forum I will still stand my ground for that I can afford.

For those who don't understand
>> brown shirt<<  This is a class statement like saying filthy peasant. Which say that he feels he has enough money to defend himself. You know you cant touch me I'm rich, type of statement. So it looks like to me that Bessler007 thinks he is better than everybody else for he has money. So all of us brown shirts need to bow and kiss his money. Or it is his big bluff to make us think so. ::)
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: sevich on March 22, 2009, 02:43:23 PM
I love this forum!

One thing I know for sure is this:

Besslerwheel.com  ((( http://besslerwheel.com/forum/ ))) is a "police state" of a forum, as compared to  ((( http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=forum )))  which is totally democratic in it's function!

I mean.....what forum would allow it's members to un democraticly vote out fellow members who seem to be indifferent ???

Unfair voting systems on forums can and do lead to fraud such as on http://besslerwheel.com/forum/
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 22, 2009, 02:54:55 PM
. . .(You can only get justice if you can afford it.) But in open forum I will still stand my ground for that I can afford.. . .

You are wrong.  You are mistaken.  You told an "untruth".  What the heck, you must be a congenital pathological liar (in my not so humble opinion).  It doesn't seem you can help yourself.  Maybe there's an other explanation.  You're stupid?  Just speculating here.  lol

I slapped 3 web pages out of the hands of a thief.  He stole my intellectual property by violating my copyright and I got rather swift justice with the cost of a fax.

Thieves have to be forced to mend their thieving ways.  They also have to be monitored.

If you'd like, Alan, I might be able to get you into the witness protection program.  We'd want to relocate that head of yours some where outside your ralph.



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB




Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 22, 2009, 02:56:58 PM
I love this forum!

One thing I know for sure is this:

Besslerwheel.com  ((( http://besslerwheel.com/forum/ ))) is a "police" state of a forum, as compared to  ((( http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=forum )))  which is totally democratic in it's function!

I mean.....what forum would allow it's members to un democraticly vote out fellow members who seem to be indifferent ???

Unfair voting systems on forums can and do lead to fraud such as on http://besslerwheel.com/forum/

sevich

No forum is perfect, but how do you get fraud out of Besslerwheel?  Heck this string should be locked pages ago.   
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: Bessler007 on March 22, 2009, 02:58:29 PM
For those who don't understand
>> brown shirt<<  This is a class statement like saying filthy peasant. Which say that he feels he has enough money to defend himself. You know you cant touch me I'm rich, type of statement. So it looks like to me that Bessler007 thinks he is better than everybody else for he has money. So all of us brown shirts need to bow and kiss his money. Or it is his big bluff to make us think so. ::)

Are you talking to yourself, buffoon (for those who don't understand?) ?

Quote
The term brownshirt tactics refers to the usage of fear, terror, and images thereof to make people vote for a specific party, notably the populist demagoguery party that promises to be tough on terror, while in reality being the one clandestinely instilling the fear in the first place.[citation needed] The name comes from the color of the uniforms of the Nazi members of the SA.




Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: sevich on March 22, 2009, 03:20:27 PM
No forum is perfect, but how do you get fraud out of Besslerwheel? 

Are you the only one that doesn't know 911 was an inside job ? ....come on!

>>> http://besslerwheel.com/forum/ <<< is run by the blind and supported by a clique

You were OK, before you signed up ???

There is an antidote. Stay well away for 3 weeks......trust me  ;D


Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: AB Hammer on March 22, 2009, 09:29:26 PM
Bessler007

 I forgot that the Nazis where called brown shirt. I was referring to 5 to 6 hundred years before due to the brown dirt on a peasants shirt. Same name, different times thus the filthy peasant. Don't forget I specialize with early history, it is part of my job.

sevich

 I was surprised at your statement about Besslerwheel for I have had no problems there. Also when people where banned, at least the ones I saw where getting out of hand and disruptive. It made for very unpleasant reading.
Title: Re: My Current Build
Post by: rlortie on March 22, 2009, 10:58:39 PM
Can't fool you Alan.  Ralph is one of my spies.  Sorry Ralph for outing you but the gig's up.  alan would have found out sooner or later.  He's very sharp you know.

Let me get serious.  Alan, you are an ignorant buffoon not knowing the difference between slander and libel.  Nor do you know the points of either.  If a person is a published liar as you are then you can't sue them for libel if they print the fact that you are indeed a liar.

Truth hurts, huh?
Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

I
Quote
f there is any crime on the internet the use of a pseudonmym  isn't going to protect the criminal.

Kind of contradictory here wouldn't you say?  This speaks libal, as I am not one of your spies! 

I believe that anyone that I care to associate with is laughing at such profound statements, we simply consider the source!  I understand that the modorator now has you in a read only mode and has canceled one of your pseudonmym's. That will only stop you until you post again using a new one, maybe five minutes to re-register.

The only way to stop you from getting your climax here is to completly ignore you and not respond. You will soon tire and move on to other forums with your abundant allotment of unproductive time.

I have no intention of making any legal claims against you, that would only give you the recognition you seek!  To reiterate I simply consider the source as any level headed person will do and ignore your unsubstantiated claims.

Ralph