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### Author Topic: My Current Build  (Read 98677 times)

#### BAHammer

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##### Re: My Current Build
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2009, 03:41:57 PM »
@All,
This is what the wheel looks like going to 8 arms and weights.
If you look inside the cicrle, you will see a scissor type movement.
If you look inside the rectangle near the bottom, you will see 2 weights close together.
rlortie & AB Hammer have both said this is a Keel Effect. That by having weights close
together at the bottom, or more below the level of the axle than above it, it will prevent a wheel from working.
Myself, I would venture a guess that this is the design Bessler was refering to when he said he used scissors. With this design, 5 weights will be below the level of the axle for about 120 degrees of the rotation.
The cool part is that math states that even though this is so, the over balanced side will have more force than the side where the weights are at their starting position. I guess this means how many weights are above or below the axle doesn't matter much as long as the same side has a continues net force.
There are possibly some things that can be done to make this type of wheel more efficient. This would go back to some of the statements Bessler made. Such as using springs and metal plates.

edited to add; I do consider this drawing and image to be copyrighted
« Last Edit: February 28, 2009, 04:04:05 PM by BAHammer »

#### AB Hammer

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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2009, 12:39:33 AM »
Hay Jim

How long until you build it?

I am not sure if you know this, but the C inside of the circle means registered copyright. If it is not properly registered you need to remove the circle. If I am not mistaken.

#### BAHammer

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2009, 01:24:20 PM »
@Jim
Good Idea

@
If centrifugal force occures, it might be possible to work with same weights.
One must  work with same weights because otherwhise the setup will find its equilibrium very soon.
To shift the weight outside the balance one have to employ a extern force.
A centrifugal force might be such a force.
I guess, that Besseler used the pendulums to store and release these extern forces.

helmut

Helmut,
Tonight, I will be posting a drawing. It is something that hopefully you will say "Jim, I like it".
I do have a copy of your drawing I keep with my drawing pad. I know it helped me.
The way yours works is different and helped keep me from becoming fixated on one way of doing things.
I guess it will be Tuesday for you by the time you will see it. Hopefully, it will be a good start for your day.
Thanks for being a friend through all of this

Jim

#### BAHammer

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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2009, 03:36:47 PM »
Hay Jim

How long until you build it?

I am not sure if you know this, but the C inside of the circle means registered copyright. If it is not properly registered you need to remove the circle. If I am not mistaken.

@All,
And this from someone who said they were going to patent my self rolling wheel. Am I missing something ?

@Helmut,
I'll send you the drawing and a link to Stefan. I think he might like to see it.
Helmut, if you or a friend of yours like the idea enough to try it, it would be okay with me.
There are a few medical problems I need to take care of first. After that, I would be able to enjoy doing a build much more.

Jim

#### AB Hammer

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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2009, 05:20:57 PM »
@All,
And this from someone who said they were going to patent my self rolling wheel. Am I missing something ?

Jim

Quit the bull \$#!+ slander crap!!! Jim
I won't do what you do. I don't take others ideas and claim them mine. I have had over 600 designs. Why would I want something that was designed by somebody else? especially what you have come up with. You are not in the same class as I, when it comes to design. So build your design and learn what I have known for awhile. Only the build will teach you. Real life experience dood!!.

I knew you wouldn't check it out, and for those who would like to know about the copyright emblem question. Here is the link. I was partly mistaken. When I have a question, I look it up.

#### BAHammer

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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2009, 09:28:13 PM »
Quit the bull \$#!+ slander crap!!! Jim
I won't do what you do. I don't take others ideas and claim them mine. I have had over 600 designs. Why would I want something that was designed by somebody else? especially what you have come up with. You are not in the same class as I, when it comes to design. So build your design and learn what I have known for awhile. Only the build will teach you. Real life experience dood!!.

I knew you wouldn't check it out, and for those who would like to know about the copyright emblem question. Here is the link. I was partly mistaken. When I have a question, I look it up.

Alan,
You did post it in alexioco's private forum. You said you were goin g to keep your self rolling wheel a secret until you had the patent and money in hand.
If what you were working on was legitimate, you would have continued. Or when i posted the thread, self Rolling Wheel, you would have stated where your wheel was different.
What you said was, I should have known it was you. You used a different name on youtube.
What did it matter what name I used on youtube ? The thread is still on here. Anyone can look and see that you were upset about my using a different name on youtube and not because I said you were trying to steal my idea.
I mean, you did say in Alexioco's forum that it looked promising. This would mean that you know that when it comes to this type of understanding, that I do have a good idea what I am talking about. And this is why you have harassed me since. To try to take credit for teaching me what I've been learning by discussing things with people. Simply put, trying to take credit when you deserve none.
This would be one reason why you were upset after saying this is a new design I am working on. That I had said it wasn't didn't matter to you. You took the time to explain where I did not understand what I was doing. But the drawing I sent to John Collins was something you were not prepared for because as you pointed out, you didn't know I sent it to him.
Get your own build and post it Alan. That is if you are legitimate. But making claims is something anyone can do. But i have yet to see post and pursue a build.

#### erickdt

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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2009, 09:34:50 PM »
LOL at arguing over who came up with an idea that doesn't even work...

#### BAHammer

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2009, 01:02:15 AM »
LOL at arguing over who came up with an idea that doesn't even work...

He knows what you don't
Otherwise, he wouldn't bother with me     He wanted to play it safe in case things didn't work out.
Sad part is, if you walk on a fence long enough, sooner or later you're gonna slip and crush your nuts. I think that's what I've been eharing from him.

@Helmut,
These 2 drawings show the design I told you about. With bearings, 4 arms should work just fine.
If you or someone you like that lives in Germany doesn't want to give it a try, let me know.
I already have a basic build idea for it.
The first drawing is a basic explanation of the math that will show how an over balance is maintained.
The second shows how using a scissor type motion will move a weight to it's starting position.
And as was mentioned in your design, once the weights go past top center, they are basically over balanced as they will be hanging from their pivot points at the end of the arm.
With 6 or 8 arms/weights, the weights would work a little differently.

@erickdt, thanks for posting
I was hoping someone with a decent attitude would.

#### AB Hammer

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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2009, 03:11:38 AM »
Alan,
You did post it in alexioco's private forum. You said you were goin g to keep your self rolling wheel a secret until you had the patent and money in hand.
If what you were working on was legitimate, you would have continued. Or when i posted the thread, self Rolling Wheel, you would have stated where your wheel was different.
What you said was, I should have known it was you. You used a different name on youtube.
What did it matter what name I used on youtube ? The thread is still on here. Anyone can look and see that you were upset about my using a different name on youtube and not because I said you were trying to steal my idea.
I mean, you did say in Alexioco's forum that it looked promising. This would mean that you know that when it comes to this type of understanding, that I do have a good idea what I am talking about. And this is why you have harassed me since. To try to take credit for teaching me what I've been learning by discussing things with people. Simply put, trying to take credit when you deserve none.
This would be one reason why you were upset after saying this is a new design I am working on. That I had said it wasn't didn't matter to you. You took the time to explain where I did not understand what I was doing. But the drawing I sent to John Collins was something you were not prepared for because as you pointed out, you didn't know I sent it to him.
Get your own build and post it Alan. That is if you are legitimate. But making claims is something anyone can do. But i have yet to see post and pursue a build.

Well lets see here
1st The toy in question that jim claims is his is the same one that Scott Hall showed. A peace of junk.

2nd Jim would say anything or do anything " IMO " to see what I am doing.

3rd the walking wheel that I did, didn't work as predicted perpetually,  but for other uses it went beyond expectation. So hell no! I won't show it yet.

4th I said my wheel looked promising not yours. Yours was another Scott Hall peace of junk. You also stated that you would backdate your post and take credit for my wheel. So of course I am not going to show it.

5th >>Get your own build and post it Alan. That is if you are legitimate. But making claims is something anyone can do. But i have yet to see post and pursue a build.<<

FDROLMAO I have posted several wheels and videos on youtube. Some where of my earlier post but they were low hits so I deleted them but there will be more to come. and if people want to see the earlier ones I will be glad to e-mail them to them.

So Jim! any more BULL \$#!+? Or you understand you have been making mistakes and swallow a little pride so things might get better.

#### broli

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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2009, 03:50:22 AM »
And this folks is why ideas need to be shared freely. All this fighting leads to nothing FOOLS!

#### BAHammer

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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2009, 03:22:33 PM »
Well lets see here
1st The toy in question that jim claims is his is the same one that Scott Hall showed. A peace of junk.

2nd Jim would say anything or do anything " IMO " to see what I am doing.

3rd the walking wheel that I did, didn't work as predicted perpetually,  but for other uses it went beyond expectation. So hell no! I won't show it yet.

4th I said my wheel looked promising not yours. Yours was another Scott Hall peace of junk. You also stated that you would backdate your post and take credit for my wheel. So of course I am not going to show it.

5th >>Get your own build and post it Alan. That is if you are legitimate. But making claims is something anyone can do. But i have yet to see post and pursue a build.<<

FDROLMAO I have posted several wheels and videos on youtube. Some where of my earlier post but they were low hits so I deleted them but there will be more to come. and if people want to see the earlier ones I will be glad to e-mail them to them.

So Jim! any more BULL \$#!+? Or you understand you have been making mistakes and swallow a little pride so things might get better.

Alan,
Scott's wheel had 3 arms with no weight at the axle.
This picture is what you were building. An over balanced arm causes rotation and a weight in the center stores momentum to lift the weight moving towards top center the last 30 degrees.
According to trig, the arm at the level of the axle and moving downward 60 degrees should generate more force than what a weight moving 30 degrees up would need.
Not sure where you get off being nothing but a F^%\$ing liar.
If it works it would be a neat trick, having a wheel roll over a weight once it is on the ground. Of course, I did say the over balance is 1/8th the radius, or 1/2 inch of over balance for every 4 inches of radius.
And that is why you slam me like Ralph does for using a different psuedonym on youtube. You did not know it was me who posted it to someone. And you got caught as a result.
Can it work ? Possibly. But as I have said before Alan, if you did get it to work and claim it as your own, people on youtube, including the person the design was given to might have said something. Somerthing like someone posted that idea and it wasn't you.
This is why I think that people like you and Ralph that do secret builds should not be allowed in here.
I've not seen you post a legitimate build. Putting one lever on a wheel is n0ot a build. That is something so basic it is meaningless. And you did say you have done 600 builds. You and Ralph both, what a laugh.
You sound like a clear case of being jealous Alan. I take the time to analyze what I am working on. This means I need toi work slower. Something that upsets you.
After all, when you tried saying I couldn't do something then being supportive of my current project was nothing but an attempt to emotionally control me. Sorry, that won't ever happen.
Read the 4th statement under abuse Alan. It doews fit your attitude towards me.
http://eqi.org/eabuse1.htm#What%20is%20Emotional%20Abuse?

#### AB Hammer

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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2009, 03:27:45 PM »
And this folks is why ideas need to be shared freely. All this fighting leads to nothing FOOLS!

So broli

If someone was stating false witness against you would not defend yourself? Who would be the bigger FOOL?
So simply if you have a for sure runner design and you show it, just think how many people will be out there saying MINE! MINE! MY IDEA!.  It will be bad enough when it is protected, and Jim's actions are just an example. IMO For some reason he has so called convinced himself, that I am doing a design/toy that he claims is his, which it is not, but if I show what I am doing even though it is not a runner either but it has other attributes that may get me a retirement. My retirement possibility in this one will become lost. It is no longer to do anything with perpetual motion so give it up Jim. People are so looking at the end goal, they miss so much in between that can be valuable as well.

#### BAHammer

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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2009, 03:36:00 PM »
And this folks is why ideas need to be shared freely. All this fighting leads to nothing FOOLS!

broli,
It can be expected for Alan to be abusive towards me. Ralph was in Besslerwheel. He said I am an idiot because of my spelling and that my head injury or speaking English as a second language matter.
And Scott ellis supported that kind of attitude. I have no need to tolerate abuse.
If you notice, Alan said nothing about the Bessler design I posted. Why ?
It's a control issue. He wants to claim he mentored me. This is why he was jealous when i was discussing different things in the G-Force thread. He isn't familiar with science and was jealous when other peole were willing to discuss things with me that he couldn't be in control of.
That could be why Ralph was abusive towards me in bessler wheel. I was discussing things that they're not capable of. And they do promote the idea that they are accomplished builders.
This is engineering. And as such does take time to develop. Neither have the patience.
If they supported bessler, then they would be willing to discuss ideas that might lead to an understanding of how his wheels work.
Mt 25 will work. Ralph has said it won't in the thread he posted for you. It works on a similar principal as mt 24.
With mt 25, when the lever advances, it has a line going through the weight hanging from the fixed arm. This goes to a hoist mechanism that is geared between 2:1 and 3:1. This lefts the weight at the bottom.
This means that the weight that hangs from a fixed arm would be something like 5 lbs. and the weight on the lever 2 1/2 lbs. It would take some fine tuning of the math, but that is the basic idea.
Part of the problem could be the lack of belief that Bessler actually built a working wheel let alone 4 or more

#### AB Hammer

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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2009, 03:56:21 PM »
Alan,
Scott's wheel had 3 arms with no weight at the axle.
This picture is what you were building. An over balanced arm causes rotation and a weight in the center stores momentum to lift the weight moving towards top center the last 30 degrees.
According to trig, the arm at the level of the axle and moving downward 60 degrees should generate more force than what a weight moving 30 degrees up would need.
Not sure where you get off being nothing but a F^%\$ing liar.
If it works it would be a neat trick, having a wheel roll over a weight once it is on the ground. Of course, I did say the over balance is 1/8th the radius, or 1/2 inch of over balance for every 4 inches of radius.
And that is why you slam me like Ralph does for using a different psuedonym on youtube. You did not know it was me who posted it to someone. And you got caught as a result.
Can it work ? Possibly. But as I have said before Alan, if you did get it to work and claim it as your own, people on youtube, including the person the design was given to might have said something. Somerthing like someone posted that idea and it wasn't you.
This is why I think that people like you and Ralph that do secret builds should not be allowed in here.
I've not seen you post a legitimate build. Putting one lever on a wheel is n0ot a build. That is something so basic it is meaningless. And you did say you have done 600 builds. You and Ralph both, what a laugh.
You sound like a clear case of being jealous Alan. I take the time to analyze what I am working on. This means I need toi work slower. Something that upsets you.
After all, when you tried saying I couldn't do something then being supportive of my current project was nothing but an attempt to emotionally control me. Sorry, that won't ever happen.
Read the 4th statement under abuse Alan. It doews fit your attitude towards me.
http://eqi.org/eabuse1.htm#What%20is%20Emotional%20Abuse?

FDROLMAO Jim

You are so lost, and have no idea but your imagination. I said I have designed over 600 wheels, not built. LOL

Back to the youtube thing. You had to tell me on forum that wh0wants2kn0w was you and here is the link for people to read.
Note
1 year ago ABthehammer /me
response 9 months ago wh0wants2kn0w/Jim
return response 9 months ago ABthehammer /me
final responce 9 months ago wh0wants2kn0w/Jim

This is the bases of you claim? FDROLMAO like I said it won't work. I have tried it when Scott Hall posted it and I even tried to improve it before I ever talked to you. It didn't work then and it won't work now, nor is it what I am doing. There is no lies from me. The only lies are your accusations. I will never give in and show my best designs before there time, so give it up.

#### AB Hammer

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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2009, 04:11:53 PM »
broli,
It can be expected for Alan to be abusive towards me. Ralph was in Besslerwheel. He said I am an idiot because of my spelling and that my head injury or speaking English as a second language matter.
And Scott ellis supported that kind of attitude. I have no need to tolerate abuse.
If you notice, Alan said nothing about the Bessler design I posted. Why ?
It's a control issue. He wants to claim he mentored me. This is why he was jealous when i was discussing different things in the G-Force thread. He isn't familiar with science and was jealous when other peole were willing to discuss things with me that he couldn't be in control of.
That could be why Ralph was abusive towards me in bessler wheel. I was discussing things that they're not capable of. And they do promote the idea that they are accomplished builders.
This is engineering. And as such does take time to develop. Neither have the patience.
If they supported bessler, then they would be willing to discuss ideas that might lead to an understanding of how his wheels work.
Mt 25 will work. Ralph has said it won't in the thread he posted for you. It works on a similar principal as mt 24.
With mt 25, when the lever advances, it has a line going through the weight hanging from the fixed arm. This goes to a hoist mechanism that is geared between 2:1 and 3:1. This lefts the weight at the bottom.
This means that the weight that hangs from a fixed arm would be something like 5 lbs. and the weight on the lever 2 1/2 lbs. It would take some fine tuning of the math, but that is the basic idea.
Part of the problem could be the lack of belief that Bessler actually built a working wheel let alone 4 or more

Jim you keep bringing up the same thing with MT24 and MT25. Over and over. We call this tunnel vision. I have posted and have show an overlay grid over MT24 showing the reasons why. KEEL FACTOR, KEEL FACTOR, KEEL FACTOR, the words you don't want to here, not to mention the weight shift will not over take the KEEL FACTOR.
Bessler never showed his working wheel design and yes he had 4 runners that he showed, but kept his secret and I believe he had other designs that he was saving for later that were more powerful. But he did say all you needed to know was in the MTs. So you might like to test reaction and see what Bessler was talking about.