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Offline The Eskimo Quinn

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #120 on: March 11, 2009, 09:21:54 AM »
yes as art it is protected, but under copyright laws, it simply means it cannot be copied in the actual sense of copy like a photocopy, but it can be re drawn just like an art reproduction, and it can be built. to prvent it from being copied in a reproductive manner it needs a design patent, many companies who make fabric patterns of a special nature do this and architects do it also for house designs.

unfortunately you are only protected from someone copying your actual drawing as in cut and paste manner and publishing it elsewhere becasue it is actually that picture or art, the same as general art work. as far as design goes, you have already missed the design patent boat, and drawings of structure do not cover construction unless they form part of a patent applied for item.

Don't panic though, i dare say it doesn't work yet, so the design as it is is not the working product. Once you build it and it works, I doubt credit will be an issue unless it mirrors a set of plans already on here or elsewhere.

they show no dimesions or weight or specific movement anyway, so there is no application, simply a drwing of an indian wishing ring minus the feathers.

Don't get too upset, I built and filmed the first over the top magnetic smot that self started, and had a dozen people say they had done it before or seen it before, yet none could show proof of prior claims. It is the nature of the game. as i said earlier, maybe you are not the first, maybe a dozen other people thought of it but never built it, maybe no one did. But stress is something that only ruins your thinking pattern.

If you belive you were the first, I belive you are being honest and that should be enough, if other feel the same, then I have no reason to belive they too are not being honest. So at the end of the day, i have to say when i used video, i thought video wins, but that also is not true for claims.

easiest solution is one thought, think only this

He is Me, we both believe the same thing and we are both working on the same project though we never met, fuuuuuuck me, how cool is that???? two people from different worlds maybe even different lands working on the same project and believe the same thing, twins should be so lucky. wait until you are out in the world of business and you are just looking for that one person who thinks the same way you do and belives what you do, and then you will see what a gift you are to each other.


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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #120 on: March 11, 2009, 09:21:54 AM »

Offline grayone

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #121 on: March 11, 2009, 02:06:29 PM »
The Eskimo Quinn; That is some very informative information. So simply put. If you want to protect it, do not show it, until you have proper registered protection. But if you don't mind giving it away. Go ahead and post it.

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #122 on: March 11, 2009, 09:15:48 PM »
Thank you for the informative information, The Eskimo Quinn.

I have an idea for a wheel that uses an olive branch and a coon ass I'm sure no one has tried.  If built with precision it goes round and round.  I won't post it just yet.




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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #122 on: March 11, 2009, 09:15:48 PM »
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« Reply #123 on: March 11, 2009, 09:48:24 PM »
Dont mean to step on anyone's thread but here's a wheel I thought of the other day, sorry about the poor art it was drawn in paint.

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #124 on: March 11, 2009, 09:48:47 PM »
Thank you for the informative information, The Eskimo Quinn.

I have an idea for a wheel that uses an olive branch and a coon ass I'm sure no one has tried.  If built with precision it goes round and round.  I won't post it just yet.




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LOL WRIGHT ::) Here is a more entertaining one.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCpCvID6XD8&feature=channel_page

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Re: My Current Build
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Offline BAHammer

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #125 on: March 12, 2009, 12:16:43 PM »
Being the king of wheels not just in drawing them, i would like to keep this one going, so completly out of character i will try to calm this thread down. A quick tip on patents and rights. you can publish anything once you have lodged a patent application, but if you publish it first then it is public domian and "can never" be patented by anyone not even the inventor, look it up.

so claims on ownership or restrictng other people from building something you published is a waste of time. Secondly this is to my understanding an open source forum, and the entire purpose is to discuss help and release the information free to the world. anyone with notions of patents should not even be here.

are there parts of other peoples design in each of our own? of course there are, a wheel by its very nature joins us all, the gravity concept of shifting weight joins us all, be it with levers or pendulums, magnets or pulleys, we all use the same basic principal. was the first mag wheel on a car simply a rim with holes drilled in it or the one that sucked the air onto the brakes?

if your device works, it is the first of its kind no matter how close others were, until then they are all similar, were you the first to think of it? who knows, if they can show a published work of it the yes, if not that does not mean no, simply that they were unable to do so or chose not to, the debate of the ages on this website.

I have design many wheels over the years, especially the last one, if you want a wheel that truns by weight shift without question or argument.


try this completely new and thought of it whilst writing this, one wheel 12 arms on each arm there is a glass tube  the tubes are filled with mercury, as the temp rises the weeight of the mercury shifts upward in each tube like a thermometer, as the wheel truns and the merc runs down to the bottom end the cyle repeats. does it work? I don't know but it is as likely as any other and we know that even on its side a thermomter will act that way. was i the first this instance to think of it? who knows.

settle grettle this is a published site, and all things being equal unless you have a patent for a working device lodged, it is already too late to claim ownership or patent rights

well thats enough being nice, back to my own to tell people where to go

   Quinn,
 There is one thing about a couple of designs I have worked on. If I say it is something Bessler built, and it works, doubt a patent would be allowed.
 Of course, they could say that the design was improved on and give one. That is up to the patent office.
 Also, if something is openly posted and is a new concept, it brings up one question, is this a publication ?
An inventor has one year of first publication of an invention to get a patent. And only the inventor can obtain a patent.
 But then, I see no reason to build because someone else is going to sit and judge every post I make. They should get their own life. But if they had something going on better than myself, they wouldn't be in my business. Yet they are.
 

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #126 on: March 12, 2009, 01:27:00 PM »
   Quinn,
 There is one thing about a couple of designs I have worked on. If I say it is something Bessler built, and it works, doubt a patent would be allowed.
 

Why would that be? No one knows how his wheel worked (if it worked at all) so therefore no one can/could patent which intern means that no one could prevent you (or anyone else) from patenting a similar mechanism. Since there would be no way of proving that whatever mechanism you've come up with is the same as Bessler's no one could make a claim that you've copied it.

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« Reply #126 on: March 12, 2009, 01:27:00 PM »
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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #127 on: March 12, 2009, 01:31:20 PM »
   Quinn,
 There is one thing about a couple of designs I have worked on. If I say it is something Bessler built, and it works, doubt a patent would be allowed.
 Of course, they could say that the design was improved on and give one. That is up to the patent office.
 Also, if something is openly posted and is a new concept, it brings up one question, is this a publication ?
An inventor has one year of first publication of an invention to get a patent. And only the inventor can obtain a patent.
 But then, I see no reason to build because someone else is going to sit and judge every post I make. They should get their own life. But if they had something going on better than myself, they wouldn't be in my business. Yet they are.
 

BAHammer; First off you have to get what is called a provisional patent that give you a year. If you want people to stay out of your business. Don't post in open forum. For if you do, it becomes every bodies business. Now quit crying about it. 

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #128 on: March 12, 2009, 05:13:44 PM »
LOL WRIGHT ::) Here is a more entertaining one.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCpCvID6XD8&feature=channel_page

haha lol I like it, the movement of the dogs leg causes the arm to scratch his back which causes him to move his leg haha :P Thats classic


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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #128 on: March 12, 2009, 05:13:44 PM »
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Offline BAHammer

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #129 on: March 12, 2009, 10:58:29 PM »
BAHammer; First off you have to get what is called a provisional patent that give you a year. If you want people to stay out of your business. Don't post in open forum. For if you do, it becomes every bodies business. Now quit crying about it. 

 It's someone else that is crying about it. And I do think it is as I said, if someone can figure out something considered next to impossible and says most likely it is Bessler's design, that would get consideration. After all, everyone that tried and failed couldn't be considered credible. A lack of understanding of this type of behavior would have been demonstrated.
 I notice the design I posted and bessler 007 reposted ( thank you  :) ) has gotten little notice. Possibly because everybody else didn't consider the pendulum and the wheel concept could lead to a capable design. With myself, it would be my willingness to have spent time studying math that would have made the difference. It does help.
 But it's not what you guys care to discuss, is it ?

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #130 on: March 13, 2009, 02:24:45 AM »
It's someone else that is crying about it. And I do think it is as I said, if someone can figure out something considered next to impossible and says most likely it is Bessler's design, that would get consideration. After all, everyone that tried and failed couldn't be considered credible. A lack of understanding of this type of behavior would have been demonstrated.
 I notice the design I posted and bessler 007 reposted ( thank you  :) ) has gotten little notice. Possibly because everybody else didn't consider the pendulum and the wheel concept could lead to a capable design. With myself, it would be my willingness to have spent time studying math that would have made the difference. It does help.
 But it's not what you guys care to discuss, is it ?

BAHammer; Would you like a little cheese with that wine? So lets discuss it then. You have convened yourself, it is Bessler's wheel and you are the only one who knows anything about it. If so, why haven't you built it? That would be proof and put you on high demand. What I see of it is that you lack many controls and each movement will cancel each other out and will find equilibrium almost instantaneously. Your approach is interesting but to no avail. You do talk about how math will do it, but I find your math flawed. Just my opinion.

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Offline Bessler007

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #131 on: March 13, 2009, 05:21:29 AM »
On the planet Uroboros they cut cheese with their pointy heads.

Jim, the idea of Milkovek's double pendulum is in your design.




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Offline BAHammer

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #132 on: March 13, 2009, 12:14:57 PM »
BAHammer; Would you like a little cheese with that wine? So lets discuss it then. You have convened yourself, it is Bessler's wheel and you are the only one who knows anything about it. If so, why haven't you built it? That would be proof and put you on high demand. What I see of it is that you lack many controls and each movement will cancel each other out and will find equilibrium almost instantaneously. Your approach is interesting but to no avail. You do talk about how math will do it, but I find your math flawed. Just my opinion.

  Dude,
 you're slow. I've already posted that the build has been delayed because of medical problems.
I always notice that when people have nothing else to say, they say build it and prove it.
 Just as one idiot says the truth is important and they give credit where due. Such as my being banned from one forum because the moderator said that I could not say that math supports perpetual motion.
 Somehow, that last part always gets omitted. Not sure if I could trust somehow that uses half truth's.
 As for that design, it would work just fine. All the balance of the lever needs to do is be shifted over enough to compensate for inertia.
 I think this lack of understanding would be based on the lack of credible builds by the members of this forum. To build something and then say, it didn't work isn't much. Such as, why didn't the build work ?
 That part of the equation is usually missing. And this is where math helps to analyze the mechanics and lack of hoped for results.

 @bessler, I hadn't thought of that. It might be that trying pendulums is a common idea as a couple other people tried a variation of it.

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #133 on: March 13, 2009, 01:45:35 PM »
Greetings All
 This is what happened at Bessler Wheel dealing with who now calls himself Bahammer, who claims that he was banned due to his math. This post from the moderator Scott proves otherwise.


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P-Motion/Jim_L/Jim_Lindgaard, you are in direct violation of the Terms of Use.
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You explicitly agree, in using this web site or any service provided, that you shall not: ... Impersonate or misrepresent your association with any person or entity, or forge or otherwise seek to conceal or misrepresent the origin of any Content provided by you. E.g. sock puppet accounts;
Stop creating new accounts or you will be banned.

Your Jim_L and Jim_Lindgaard accounts has been banned.  If you want to continue to post you can use your original P-Motion account.

We'll see how that goes.

-Scott

And you never came back as P-Motion. On this subject no more needed.

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The post before is where Jim decided I was his enemy.

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Please give it a rest!! you are not achieving anything.
  Alan,
 Who is attacking who Alan ? Guess I miss your point.
 You are right, he wins because he is good at bull shitting people.
 I am glad you and him see eye to eye.

That is all I had to say for Jim to start attacking me.

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« Reply #134 on: March 13, 2009, 02:43:15 PM »
If somone really had a perpetual wheel that they "think" or "know" will work, then im sure a video would of been posted on here showing it running weather the mechanism would be hidden or not....

How long must this argument last? Its dominating this section of the forum, I mean come on now, isnt this a waste of time? or am I wasting my time trying to tell you its a waste of time?

Alex

 

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