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My Current Build
« on: February 24, 2009, 01:13:36 AM »
  @ Helmut,
 This is what I've been working on.
 It's pretty simple. If the starting position ( cg ) of a weight is 85cm's, it can roll out to 1 meter.
A line is attached to the lever the weight is in 75cm's from center.
 If the lever drops 20cm's (rotates 15 degrees), the weight's cg will be 96cm's from the center line of the wheel.
This will lift the weight in the lever near bottom center 15cm's. This will be because the line goes under the weight and basically cradles it. When the line is pulled by the dropping lever, the weight can roll against the inside of the lever because the weights are round.
Basically, one weight and lever will perform 2 functions at one time.
 I'm not sure when I will be finished with it.
 

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2009, 02:33:26 AM »
Jim

 That is the best one I have seen you come up with that I have seen. Keep working at it.

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2009, 02:40:33 AM »

1. On the down side the object must be heavier than the same object on the up side.
2. At the bottom the object must change from being heavier on the down side to being lighter on the up side.
3. On the up side the object must be lighter than the same object was the down side.
4. At the top the object must change back from being lighter on the up side to heavier on the down side.



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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2009, 03:03:30 AM »
Very exciting thanks for sharing BAHammer. (are you Ab's evil/good twin? :P)

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Re: My Current Build
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2009, 08:51:46 AM »
@Jim
Good Idea

1. On the down side the object must be heavier than the same object on the up side.
2. At the bottom the object must change from being heavier on the down side to being lighter on the up side.
3. On the up side the object must be lighter than the same object was the down side.
4. At the top the object must change back from being lighter on the up side to heavier on the down side.


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If centrifugal force occures, it might be possible to work with same weights.
One must  work with same weights because otherwhise the setup will find its equilibrium very soon.
To shift the weight outside the balance one have to employ a extern force.
A centrifugal force might be such a force.
I guess, that Besseler used the pendulums to store and release these extern forces.

helmut

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Offline BAHammer

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2009, 01:25:59 PM »
   @All,
 The reason I drew the design this way, it is simpler to see how it can work.
What I was intending on doing was putting a pulley that acts as a hoist at the end of the arm.
This will allow for the weights to be the same.
 If you notice, the end of the lever can drop 20cm's. And this only lifts the weight at bottom center 15cm's.
This would be using the same principle as a hoist. I have used one before to manually lift a 12,000 lb. rotor assembly for a steam driven turbine. Needless to say, I weighed 195 lbs. Gearing has everything to do with it, just like on a pendulum clock.
  Glad y'all like the design  :)

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2009, 09:30:03 PM »
Jim

 That is the best one I have seen you come up with that I have seen. Keep working at it.

  Alan,
 Normally, I would say thanks.
The problem is, this is the same build I was harassed for doing about 6 months ago.
I've always maintained that ideas need to be developed over time. This is an
example of that.
 This means that this build originated with the wheel and the pendulum concept
which everyone rejected. This means about 1 1/2 years on the same idea.
 If you check, everyone in these forums abandon their ideas well before 18 months.

                                                                               Jim
 

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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2009, 01:30:42 AM »
Greetings Jim

 A similar concept in different ways can be different wheels. This one did not show until now, but some of your ideas building up to this you may well have been talked about but until the proper frame of reference comes to play it would not be clear.
 I have scrutinized your wheel and have cum up with a few improvements that might help. But I am not sure if you want to here them.
 Most of my wheel designs since I got started have been unity operation/effects. How they truly react to each other makes it a good idea or not and no guarantees. I would call this wheel a unity operation/effect.

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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2009, 04:47:57 PM »
Greetings Jim

 A similar concept in different ways can be different wheels. This one did not show until now, but some of your ideas building up to this you may well have been talked about but until the proper frame of reference comes to play it would not be clear.
 I have scrutinized your wheel and have cum up with a few improvements that might help. But I am not sure if you want to here them.
 Most of my wheel designs since I got started have been unity operation/effects. How they truly react to each other makes it a good idea or not and no guarantees. I would call this wheel a unity operation/effect.

>> A similar concept in different ways can be different wheels. This one did not show until now,<<

 The way the weight is retracted is different. Otherwise, it is the same wheel and the same principle.

edited to add;
 Alan,
 With all of the harassment I took over the previous build of myt interpretation of the Wheel and the Pendulum, I can understand why you would wish to say this is a different wheel. This would negate the development of the same wheel. And this would justify the ridicule about my previous efforts.
 Unfortunately, those who ridiculed me were wrong for doing so. If anything, I might have realised this modification sooner.
 I can't say for sure yet, but this might lead to Bessler's 60 rpm wheel. If so, I think German historians will get a good laugh from everything said about me  ;D
 And they'll be glad I stood my ground and continued on.
 
« Last Edit: February 25, 2009, 05:14:11 PM by BAHammer »

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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2009, 05:21:35 PM »
  Alan,
 This is the drawing I sent to John Collins.
 If you look at the picture of my last build, the arms are the same.
I just modified how they work.

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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2009, 07:07:48 PM »
>> A similar concept in different ways can be different wheels. This one did not show until now,<<

 The way the weight is retracted is different. Otherwise, it is the same wheel and the same principle.

edited to add;
 Alan,
 With all of the harassment I took over the previous build of myt interpretation of the Wheel and the Pendulum, I can understand why you would wish to say this is a different wheel. This would negate the development of the same wheel. And this would justify the ridicule about my previous efforts.
 Unfortunately, those who ridiculed me were wrong for doing so. If anything, I might have realised this modification sooner.
 I can't say for sure yet, but this might lead to Bessler's 60 rpm wheel. If so, I think German historians will get a good laugh from everything said about me  ;D
 And they'll be glad I stood my ground and continued on.
 


Jim; I have had to Indore 50 times more harassment and threats from you. You have said that I had said many thing that I have not, so of course I would dispute them. Also don't confuse constructive criticism with harassment. I never said your design would work, nor have I ever seen what you sent to John Collins either. I simply said

>> That is the best one I have seen you come up with that I have seen. Keep working at it.<<

and later

>>I have scrutinized your wheel and have come up with a few improvements that might help. But I am not sure if you want to here them.<<

The main reason I am not spouting out improvements is because you tend to take it as harassment and go off the deep end. So simply said, you will have to want what I have seen before I will post any improvements.


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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2009, 01:11:43 PM »
  @ Helmut,
 This is what I've been working on.
 It's pretty simple. If the starting position ( cg ) of a weight is 85cm's, it can roll out to 1 meter.
A line is attached to the lever the weight is in 75cm's from center.
 If the lever drops 20cm's (rotates 15 degrees), the weight's cg will be 96cm's from the center line of the wheel.
This will lift the weight in the lever near bottom center 15cm's. This will be because the line goes under the weight and basically cradles it. When the line is pulled by the dropping lever, the weight can roll against the inside of the lever because the weights are round.
Basically, one weight and lever will perform 2 functions at one time.
 I'm not sure when I will be finished with it.
 
This will work only if the wheel stands still (!). As soon as the wheel start spinning, the weights will be forced outwards due to centrifugal forces. The line will therefor "feel" other forces than you calculated, and the balls will automaticly counterforce rotation. I don't know other ways to explain this. But you can try to imagine all forces as the wheel is spinning.

The angle of the lever on the right side will also be reduced due to the centrifugal force.

Br.

Vdar

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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2009, 01:19:46 PM »
This will work only if the wheel stands still (!). As soon as the wheel start spinning, the weights will be forced outwards due to centrifugal forces. The line will therefor "feel" other forces than you calculated, and the balls will automaticly counterforce rotation. I don't know other ways to explain this. But you can try to imagine all forces as the wheel is spinning.

The angle of the lever on the right side will also be reduced due to the centrifugal force.

Br.

Vdar

  Hi Low,
 Helmut mentioned something similar when he mentioned inertia. I have thought of a modification I can make to the arms to help compensate for inertia wanting to move the weights back out again.
 What I'm kind of hoping for using bearings is that I will need to limit the amount of over balance. If not, changing the ratio that the lever action lifts the weight is always another possibility.

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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2009, 01:37:30 PM »
  Hi Low,
 Helmut mentioned something similar when he mentioned inertia. I have thought of a modification I can make to the arms to help compensate for inertia wanting to move the weights back out again.
 What I'm kind of hoping for using bearings is that I will need to limit the amount of over balance. If not, changing the ratio that the lever action lifts the weight is always another possibility.

                                                                               Jim
Hi,

You can make it a try, but I whish to "warn" you that a solution to one thing, will be a drawback for something else as long you do this inside the same system. So you will probably end up in ground zero - like paying yourself a lot of money from your own pocket. You simply don't get any richer :) But don't let this stop you from trying, it is at least worth trying for learning purpose. :)

Br.

Vidar

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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2009, 01:22:20 PM »
Hi,

You can make it a try, but I whish to "warn" you that a solution to one thing, will be a drawback for something else as long you do this inside the same system. So you will probably end up in ground zero - like paying yourself a lot of money from your own pocket. You simply don't get any richer :) But don't let this stop you from trying, it is at least worth trying for learning purpose. :)

Br.

Vidar

  Hi Pi, er, Vidar,
 Always possible it won't work. That's okay.
After all, the first rule of perpetual motion is that it's not possible. After that, all other rules are meaningless.
 I will be testing a specific mathematical idea.

                                                                            Jim         

 

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