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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2009, 09:11:17 PM »
The shavings are comprised of curved, flat or jagged sides or edges. The shavings will emit condensed energy off the edges. The field will be distorted in the air space between the shavings. The wire is cylindrical or smooth. The wire is cheaper. Better field shape.
What makes more sense?

The second event I had was when I placed 1 TPU between 2 aluminum discs. The sharp edges ejected high speed emmisions from that side of the compression. The outer most parts of the field had no where to return to and shot off the sides. It stung me for an instance and I turned it off. But if you wait, you get the headache. Did that on a previous test. :o
After this I realized my tests were better off spent trying to get away from danger. ;D

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #61 on: April 21, 2009, 09:52:53 PM »
The shavings are comprised of curved, flat or jagged sides or edges. The shavings will emit condensed energy off the edges. The field will be distorted in the air space between the shavings. The wire is cylindrical or smooth. The wire is cheaper. Better field shape.
What makes more sense?

The second event I had was when I placed 1 TPU between 2 aluminum discs. The sharp edges ejected high speed emmisions from that side of the compression. The outer most parts of the field had no where to return to and shot off the sides. It stung me for an instance and I turned it off. But if you wait, you get the headache. Did that on a previous test. :o
After this I realized my tests were better off spent trying to get away from danger. ;D

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Microwave interference that run with a gain in between two reflecting mirrors.
This a reason, why open TPU has two reflecting plates..or better said half reflective plates.

--Magnon
« Last Edit: April 22, 2009, 06:50:47 AM by Magnon »

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #62 on: April 21, 2009, 09:57:18 PM »
The shavings are comprised of curved, flat or jagged sides or edges. The shavings will emit condensed energy off the edges. The field will be distorted in the air space between the shavings. The wire is cylindrical or smooth. The wire is cheaper. Better field shape.
What makes more sense?

The second event I had was when I placed 1 TPU between 2 aluminum discs. The sharp edges ejected high speed emmisions from that side of the compression. The outer most parts of the field had no where to return to and shot off the sides. It stung me for an instance and I turned it off. But if you wait, you get the headache. Did that on a previous test. :o
After this I realized my tests were better off spent trying to get away from danger. ;D

--giantkiller.

I had also thought to use a solid aluminum rod in a copper tube but solid aluminum wire will work better - it will be easier to get the right sizes..

Also, good reminder that the forces in our TPU's are forces to be reckoned with.







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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #62 on: April 21, 2009, 09:57:18 PM »
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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2009, 06:01:55 AM »
Hello all,

Im the next 15 or so days on vacation. No internet at home so I will be quiet for a time.

ITS TPU TIME for me.

@Tito....

its good to try the copper but ......just use a lamp wire, place it along the copper core as a collector and pulse this collector with 3 frequencies. Of course in paralel with the pulses on 1 side and the + 24V on the other side, connect a 100W bulb.

Then, another collector......then maybe a 3. collector.......enjoy in the light.

Otto


Wow  :o
 Thank you very very much sir !  ;D

God bless
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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2009, 07:12:56 PM »
Hello all,

@GK

Hurt??? Whats going on??

I have only burned fingers. Nothing more.

It seems you have profi oscillators???

With my hand made oscillators there is nothing dangerous.

As Im now on vacation Im all the days long working on my TPU.

Is in a TPU a negative resistance working??

When I pulse my TPU without a load at say 24V/4A and the connect my 100W bulb I see the same voltage from my power supply but the current is then only 1A or 2A!! Hmmm....it depends of course how the coils are connected.

Otto

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« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2009, 07:12:56 PM »
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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2009, 07:32:27 PM »
Magnetostrictive vibration of electrical steel sheets under a non-sinusoidal magnetizing condition
Sasaki, T.; Takada, S.; Ishibashi, F.; Suzuki, I.; Noda, S.; Imamura, M.
Magnetics, IEEE Transactions on
Volume 23, Issue 5, Sep 1987 Page(s): 3077 - 3079
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Summary:

Magnetostrictive vibration of some electrical steel sheets magnetized with a pulse width modulated inverter has been presented. Magnetostrictive deformation was measured by a semiconductor strain gauge applied to specimens. The content of higher harmonics in the vibration was found to be more than that included in the magnetic flux. High frequency magnetization superposed on that of low frequency yields a relatively large amount of the deformation in the specimen. In spite of a change of magnetizing frequency of the PWM inverter, some components of the vibration remained at particular frequencies. The cause of these high frequency vibrations was experimentally confirmed to be a shape resonance of the magnetostrictive vibration. Resonance modes were detected in a ring specimen and discussions were made with reference to theoretical mode analyses using finite element method. These results allow us to confirm that the magnetostriction in electrical steel sheets is one of the main causes of high frequency vibrations in electrical machines.


P.S.  Note the following:  
1)  The content of higher harmonics in the vibration was found to be MORE THAN THAT included in the magnetic flux.
2)  High frequency magnetization superposed on that of low frequency yields a relatively LARGE amount of the deformation in the specimen.
3)  In spite of a change of magnetizing frequency of the PWM inverter, some components of the vibration remained at PARTICULAR frequencies.
4)  The cause of these high frequency vibrations was experimentally confirmed to be a SHAPE resonance of the magnetostrictive vibration.

... so, different shapes, e.g. larger rings compared to smaller rings, will have different frequencies at which they resonate. Shape matters ! But use the mixing mentality to excite any ring diameter.

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #66 on: April 22, 2009, 09:29:57 PM »
Magnetostrictive vibration of electrical steel sheets under a non-sinusoidal magnetizing condition
Sasaki, T.; Takada, S.; Ishibashi, F.; Suzuki, I.; Noda, S.; Imamura, M.
Magnetics, IEEE Transactions on
Volume 23, Issue 5, Sep 1987 Page(s): 3077 - 3079
Digital Object Identifier
 
Summary:

Magnetostrictive vibration of some electrical steel sheets magnetized with a pulse width modulated inverter has been presented. Magnetostrictive deformation was measured by a semiconductor strain gauge applied to specimens. The content of higher harmonics in the vibration was found to be more than that included in the magnetic flux. High frequency magnetization superposed on that of low frequency yields a relatively large amount of the deformation in the specimen. In spite of a change of magnetizing frequency of the PWM inverter, some components of the vibration remained at particular frequencies. The cause of these high frequency vibrations was experimentally confirmed to be a shape resonance of the magnetostrictive vibration. Resonance modes were detected in a ring specimen and discussions were made with reference to theoretical mode analyses using finite element method. These results allow us to confirm that the magnetostriction in electrical steel sheets is one of the main causes of high frequency vibrations in electrical machines.


P.S.  Note the following:  
1)  The content of higher harmonics in the vibration was found to be MORE THAN THAT included in the magnetic flux.
2)  High frequency magnetization superposed on that of low frequency yields a relatively LARGE amount of the deformation in the specimen.
3)  In spite of a change of magnetizing frequency of the PWM inverter, some components of the vibration remained at PARTICULAR frequencies.
4)  The cause of these high frequency vibrations was experimentally confirmed to be a SHAPE resonance of the magnetostrictive vibration.

... so, different shapes, e.g. larger rings compared to smaller rings, will have different frequencies at which they resonate. Shape matters ! But use the mixing mentality to excite any ring diameter.

See also this paper,

http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0038-5670/35/2/R03

The resonance effect can be very strong, and therefore the TPU core must be made of elastic material, that allows the material strain without broken into small pieces.
Harmonics frequensies are used in a TPU. To transfer energy in between generated nested cylindrical EM walls, there must be same frequensies running in a cores circumference than there are in a generated harmonics EM walls around, because only same wavelenght and same phase can move energy in between each other. This is why SM used 3 different frequensies running around the TPU core : Each of those 3 base frequensies generates harmonics, and can also run with a gain when energy from the outer harmonic EM walls can move into cores circumference ; there are always same frequensies running around the core and in a nested EM wall outside, a perfect method to collect and compress energy. Use TPU phonon calculator to see those needed resonance frequensies and the core dimensions.


--Magnon
« Last Edit: April 22, 2009, 10:15:44 PM by Magnon »

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #67 on: April 22, 2009, 10:36:15 PM »
Magnetostrictive vibration of electrical steel sheets under a non-sinusoidal magnetizing condition
Sasaki, T.; Takada, S.; Ishibashi, F.; Suzuki, I.; Noda, S.; Imamura, M.
Magnetics, IEEE Transactions on
Volume 23, Issue 5, Sep 1987 Page(s): 3077 - 3079
Digital Object Identifier
 
Summary:

Magnetostrictive vibration of some electrical steel sheets magnetized with a pulse width modulated inverter has been presented. Magnetostrictive deformation was measured by a semiconductor strain gauge applied to specimens. The content of higher harmonics in the vibration was found to be more than that included in the magnetic flux. High frequency magnetization superposed on that of low frequency yields a relatively large amount of the deformation in the specimen. In spite of a change of magnetizing frequency of the PWM inverter, some components of the vibration remained at particular frequencies. The cause of these high frequency vibrations was experimentally confirmed to be a shape resonance of the magnetostrictive vibration. Resonance modes were detected in a ring specimen and discussions were made with reference to theoretical mode analyses using finite element method. These results allow us to confirm that the magnetostriction in electrical steel sheets is one of the main causes of high frequency vibrations in electrical machines.


P.S.  Note the following:  
1)  The content of higher harmonics in the vibration was found to be MORE THAN THAT included in the magnetic flux.
2)  High frequency magnetization superposed on that of low frequency yields a relatively LARGE amount of the deformation in the specimen.
3)  In spite of a change of magnetizing frequency of the PWM inverter, some components of the vibration remained at PARTICULAR frequencies.
4)  The cause of these high frequency vibrations was experimentally confirmed to be a SHAPE resonance of the magnetostrictive vibration.

... so, different shapes, e.g. larger rings compared to smaller rings, will have different frequencies at which they resonate. Shape matters ! But use the mixing mentality to excite any ring diameter.

Ok, I'm sold - Its clear that this effect occurs in a TPU - We have high frequency coils inducing high frequency flux which in turn induces magnetostrictive vibration in the core materials experiencing high frequency domain realignment

Its not 100% clear to me if a TPU is taking advantage of this effect but if thats the case then there are a couple of considerations - Firstly, the Self Resonance Frequency (SRF) of the cores is important (number 4 above). So, some of you guys are modulating the core material so as to achieve a desired SRF.

I think we can still achieve desired results by tuning a TPU to the core material's SRF and pumping 3 different coils with 3 different frequencies that are enharmonic with the core's SRF. I dont think we need really special cores if the coils are tuned to them... but I could be wrong.

Or are you guys trying to get 3 different cores to resonate at 3 different SRFs which in turn are enharmonic with eachother? If thats the case, couldnt you just use different length blocks of regular core material?

Secondly, if the harmonic interaction of the frequencies being pumped through the coils is intended to induce a magnetocoustic effect within the core material - I dont think this is correct but does that mean that coils of enharmonic frequencies are acting on the same core? That is to say that while there are 3 sets of coils each with their own harmonic frequency, are these frequencies heterodyned upon the same core material so as to induce resonance within the core? That cant be right..

Anyway, sorry to be conservative on this issue - I just think there'd've been some mention by SM about custom core material - I'm not saying it wouldnt work or that it wont achieve the desired results, I just want to make sure that its necessary to have custom cores. If there is a viable alternative available that is more simplistic, I'm for it.

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One thing I'd like to know more about though is how the energy in the higher harmonic vibrations within the cores is harnessed - You mentioned something about microwave emission in the direction of the magnetic flux?

« Last Edit: April 23, 2009, 07:22:47 AM by Phantasm »

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #68 on: April 22, 2009, 11:10:23 PM »
See also this paper,

http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0038-5670/35/2/R03

The resonance effect can be very strong, and therefore the TPU core must be made of elastic material, that allows the material strain without broken into small pieces.
Harmonics frequensies are used in a TPU. To transfer energy in between generated nested cylindrical EM walls, there must be same frequensies running in a cores circumference than there are in a generated harmonics EM walls around, because only same wavelenght and same phase can move energy in between each other. This is why SM used 3 different frequensies running around the TPU core : Each of those 3 base frequensies generates harmonics, and can also run with a gain when energy from the outer harmonic EM walls can move into cores circumference ; there are always same frequensies running around the core and in a nested EM wall outside, a perfect method to collect and compress energy. Use TPU phonon calculator to see those needed resonance frequensies and the core dimensions.


--Magnon

It looks like youve answered my second question of my previous post here - specifically what coils/frequencies act on which cores - but I am confused by your terminology - what is 'the outer harmonic EM wall'?

"The generated nested cylindrical EM walls": Sounds like youre talking about the magnetic field lines (flux density?) in the cores? Is that right?

You said: "there must be same frequensies running in a cores circumference than there are in a generated harmonics EM walls around" So you mean just that the self resonance frequency of the core must be enharmonic with the frequencies induced by the coil wrapped around it in order to exchange energy from the EM field to the core or from the core to the field? is that right?

Then you said: "This is why SM used 3 different frequensies running around the TPU core : Each of those 3 base frequensies generates harmonics,"
Magnetocoustic vibration harmonics within the core? Or.. something else?


"and can also run with a gain when energy from the outer harmonic EM walls can move into cores circumference" here is where I'm confused about what you mean by outer harmonic EM walls - do you mean higher magnetocoustic vibration harmonics?

"there are always same frequensies running around the core and in a nested EM wall outside, a perfect method to collect and compress energy." Looks like you mean that each core has its own frequency - each core frequency is different but are enharmonic with each other. Yes? I guess thats the most important part anyhow..

Sorry for the confusion :\

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2009, 05:24:03 AM »

When I pulse my TPU without a load at say 24V/4A and the connect my 100W bulb I see the same voltage from my power supply but the current is then only 1A or 2A!! Hmmm....it depends of course how the coils are connected.

Otto

@Otto

Is it possible adding the Resistance of the load either:
1. increase inductive reactance causing lower current from the power supply
2. connecting a load closes a circuit before as open without the load - causing a magnetic amplifier effect

?

 

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2009, 06:25:21 PM »
Phantasm, you got the right ideas, 
SM of course uses many different TPUs and his letters and advice most likely refers to the larger TPU on the table  (i.e., his reference to 3 different frequencies, etc..)

If you approach the TPUs from my point of view  (and I dare say, HIS as well)  the TPUs are not "free energy" devices, but "conversion" devices taking energy from the magnetic fields.

So, if you have a magnetic field at a particular frequency of lets say 6 kHz,  and have a ring that has a structural resonance at let's say 2.75 kHz,  you obviously will not excite it just by itself, you need something else, and this is where the multiple frequencies come into play.

This is how:    
We insert a frequency at either  8.75 kHz so that it mixes with the 6 kHz  and produces a sum and difference by product, so we get 8.75 - 6 = 2.75 kHz, now this byproduct will now fall exactly on the structural resonace and excite it.   Once that is done, due to the high Q of the structural resonance,  the resonace will be quite pronounced and noticable especialy if close to the source of the magnetic field, e.g.  power lines, transformers, lightning storm, etc..etc..  On the other hand, we can excite the ring with 3.25 kHz, and the difference will once again be 6 - 3.25 = 2.75 kHz, The only reason this mixing function works is because the nonlinear characterisitcs of the magnetic material (hysterisis) so we'll most likely need a DC biasing field, and that's where magnets come in (or just some coils with DC on them)  I built one device that I'm still experimenting with and when I tuned it realy close it vibrated like you wouldn't believe, but I'm not ready to demo it.  There is no DC yet, just AC,  so there might be more going on that we still don't understand.

EM
 

« Last Edit: April 23, 2009, 07:10:28 PM by EMdevices »

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« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2009, 06:40:37 PM »
Don't forget the Piezo  :)

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2009, 07:13:49 PM »
oh yeah, the good old piezo, that works great as well.    Here's something to try,  place a little piezo on the rim of a glass and excite it,  boy I tell you those things will sing !!  Now excite it from a tuned tank circuit, a bit more tricky but that would make one excelent high Q receiver. (untill it breaks  LOL)
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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2009, 08:18:51 PM »
It looks like youve answered my second question of my previous post here - specifically what coils/frequencies act on which cores - but I am confused by your terminology - what is 'the outer harmonic EM wall'?

"The generated nested cylindrical EM walls": Sounds like youre talking about the magnetic field lines (flux density?) in the cores? Is that right?

You said: "there must be same frequensies running in a cores circumference than there are in a generated harmonics EM walls around" So you mean just that the self resonance frequency of the core must be enharmonic with the frequencies induced by the coil wrapped around it in order to exchange energy from the EM field to the core or from the core to the field? is that right?

Then you said: "This is why SM used 3 different frequensies running around the TPU core : Each of those 3 base frequensies generates harmonics,"
Magnetocoustic vibration harmonics within the core? Or.. something else?


"and can also run with a gain when energy from the outer harmonic EM walls can move into cores circumference" here is where I'm confused about what you mean by outer harmonic EM walls - do you mean higher magnetocoustic vibration harmonics?

"there are always same frequensies running around the core and in a nested EM wall outside, a perfect method to collect and compress energy." Looks like you mean that each core has its own frequency - each core frequency is different but are enharmonic with each other. Yes? I guess thats the most important part anyhow..

Sorry for the confusion :\

The harmonic EM walls are nested cylindrical shape fields, that occurs around the core at distances 2 x r , 3 x r  etc... those fields are harmonics of the base frequency, that consists of spin waves.

--Magnon

« Last Edit: April 23, 2009, 09:36:03 PM by Magnon »

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #74 on: April 24, 2009, 01:46:30 AM »
The harmonic EM walls are nested cylindrical shape fields, that occurs around the core at distances 2 x r , 3 x r  etc... those fields are harmonics of the base frequency, that consists of spin waves.

--Magnon



 :o

Well, thats entirely different than what I was thinking - I had thought these things were confined within the cores as they vibrate... My previous post is incorrect according to your viewpoint - I will reiterate in a subsequent post as soon as I have a moment...

Thanks very much Magnon! This is very interesting

 

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