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Offline MarkSnoswell

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2009, 11:47:20 PM »
Magnon - do you have a recommendation for Al, Ni and Ferrite powders to use?
I am set up for making composites and can fit this into my scheduled research program.

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2009, 05:59:46 PM »
Magnon - do you have a recommendation for Al, Ni and Ferrite powders to use?
I am set up for making composites and can fit this into my scheduled research program.

As you know, a very stable ( homogeneous ) magnetic field is needed to have a high Q.
Use very fine powder, that has very small grain size. When a small paramagnetic particel is in a stable magnetic field, there is not much eddy currents that can easily destroys this weak microwave emission from wobbled electron precession.
Al and ferrite is needed, but instead of Ni you can use some other magnetostrictive material. The highest known magnetostictive constant you can have with Terfenol-D.
If you use electrostriction for acoustic wave generation, you can use lead magnesuim niobate, that has a high electrostriction constant.
Or you can use ultrasonic transducer for acoustic wave input, like echosounder. For example 50 kHz and 200 kHz units are available, just find the right core dimensions that match with a frequency with a phonon calculator.
Instead of urethane or epoxy core base material, you can use some other dielectric and elastic material that has a good sound conductivity, like silicone rubber. You have to know / measure the sound speed in a core material, do a sample and measure how long time it takes for acoustic wave to travel through the sample. Because of the sound absorbtion in a electron-phonon coupling, the speed of sound is slightly decreased, that you must correct in a calculation.

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2009, 06:05:08 PM »
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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2009, 06:18:07 PM »
With the SEG original magnets, there was a composite material used also, the powders was mixed with a dielectric thermoplastic. See the analysis about the materials.

http://oriharu.net/eseg1.htm

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« Last Edit: February 27, 2009, 07:09:43 PM by Magnon »


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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2009, 08:33:47 PM »
@Mark,

As you know, also free radicals can be used as material that has a unpaired electron.
For example polyacetylene black melanin has a unpaired electron.

" melanin is the best sound-absorbing material known[22] due to strong electron-phonon coupling."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanin

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2009, 12:42:56 PM »
Sorry to interrupt guys -

I've been searching my system to find a link I had previously - all to no avail.   :-[
(Probably) around 2 years ago, there was a video from an older guy (American I think) who had a (form of) gravity engine.
From memory he had a working version in his shed, which turned very slowly (maybe 30-40Hz).
Then the video went on to show it in his pickup (moving slowly over a length).
(Possibly on Google Video).

AFTER this, he went on to give His Explanation of how Gravity worked.
It was all in relation to rotations etc, and his explanation was excellent.
I have a Vague feeling that you had to wait until approx 27 minutes into his video to get to this (I think it was 35-40 min long, but can't say with any certainty).

Does this ring a bell with anybody ?
Can anybody point me in the right direction.  ???
I believe I originally got the video link from these forums, and figure that one of you guys would probably know exactly what I'm after.
Can you help ?

Thanks,
Jeff.

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2009, 05:14:53 PM »
Sorry to interrupt guys -

I've been searching my system to find a link I had previously - all to no avail.   :-[
(Probably) around 2 years ago, there was a video from an older guy (American I think) who had a (form of) gravity engine.
From memory he had a working version in his shed, which turned very slowly (maybe 30-40Hz).
Then the video went on to show it in his pickup (moving slowly over a length).
(Possibly on Google Video).

AFTER this, he went on to give His Explanation of how Gravity worked.
It was all in relation to rotations etc, and his explanation was excellent.
I have a Vague feeling that you had to wait until approx 27 minutes into his video to get to this (I think it was 35-40 min long, but can't say with any certainty).

Does this ring a bell with anybody ?
Can anybody point me in the right direction.  ???
I believe I originally got the video link from these forums, and figure that one of you guys would probably know exactly what I'm after.
Can you help ?

Thanks,
Jeff.

Yes. He has long curly blonde hair and doesn't wear a shirt or it's open. But I can't remeber either what his specs are.

There is another another one: A guy is in a little white GM car. It is about the size of Ford Echo. The base is flat like a skateboard and the bodies are interchangable. All drive power are in this 6" thick platform. There are no foot pedals and all controls including the rearview camera are in the steering controller. The steering control slides left to right for driving in different countries This vehicle needs no charging and has no combustion properties in it. He is driving it on the top floor a parking garage type ediface. Youtube, Anybody?

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2009, 06:52:11 PM »
Magnon

I decided to build some core for testing purpose. I plan to use polyurethane foam for the core material, aluminium , ferrite, and nickel powder.

Can you recommend a ratio for the powders?

Should I use any special method to mix the powders, or can I reach enough homogeneity with using kitchen robot mixer, when the the monomers are still in fluid state?

The core magnetic saturation point is important here, use TPU phonon calculator to determine the needed magnetic field strenght ( typically around 0.22T ). Then mix nickel and ferrite powder with a amount that makes it possible to achieve this calculated magnetic field strenght. Aluminium powder works here as a paramagnetic material. Use ferrite with a permeability 2000.
Use 2-component polyurethane foam, mix powders with 1 component, then add  2:nd component.
First build a sample to determine the speed of sound in a composite material, then calculate the core dimensions with a TPU phonon calculator.
Place 1-turn wire loop in the middle of the core for HV input.
Black melanin is the best known acoustic wave absorber, because of strong electron-phonon coupling. If you have available this material, add this to composite.


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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2009, 09:44:08 PM »
To build up a vortex like vertical EM cylindrical wall, we need to rotate the transmitting place.
With a TPU this happens, when an acoustic wave travels around the cores circumference and wobbles free and unpaired electrons spin precession axis -acoustomagnetic resonance, that creates microwave emissions.

For example, if you use urethane composite core material, it can have a sound speed around 1800 m/s.
If you design a core, say 34 cm diameter, the sound wave rotates around the core at 101886 rpm speed. In this case, there are total 37 acoustic waves ( wavelenghts 2,9 cm ) travelling around the core. This leads to system, where the transmitting places rotates also. Tune applied vertical magnetic field so that Electron spin precession frequency has this same 2,9 cm wavelenght- around 7,7 Ghz in a 0,28 T applied  DC magnetic field .The created vertical direction and cylindrical shape microwave emission has this same 7,7 Ghz frequency.

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2009, 08:42:33 AM »
Please forgive me for being critical of the great work you guys are doing in this thread but I must ask... And please correct me if I'm off base here (I very well could be) but...

Is this effect using the special core described herein necessary for the TPU to run? This isnt mentioned in SM's archive of forum posts.. Was it mentioned elsewhere by SM? I dont think he ever mentioned what kind of core to use for his collector toroids has he?

If a TPU needs to be tuned off frequency so as to avoid being overloaded is it even necessary to harness additional energy? Or are you proposing that this is how SM's TPU operated?

My reasoning here is that I would think he would have mentioned something about how it was necessary to tune the core's resonance as well as the coils no? I suppose its possible he just didnt mention it but considering the risks he took to divulge the what he WAS able to tell us, I dont see any reason why he wouldnt at least mention that the cores were special in some way and then hint about how we should explore the acoustics or w/e

Further to that point - In the video where he demonstrates his large TPU there is a section of it missing where you would be able to see a solid core there (I'm at work so I cannot confirm right now but) As far as I remember, it appeared that the torroid cores were separated slightly at the point where the leads came out... Wouldnt the internal core need to be uniform about the full circumference so as to allow for the acoustics to travel - if the continuity of the internal torroid (control coils) is breached shouldnt that impeed the travel of the necessary acoustics?

Dont get me wrong though, I'm not trying to discount how effective this effect could be for harnessing energy within a TPU, I just dont want to have more complication than whats needed for TPU functionality... (at least, in my TPU anyway...)

Please correct me if I'm wrong.. I really would appreciate your input, and once again - I hope I'm not coming across as being too critical of your efforts..

Cheers,
« Last Edit: April 17, 2009, 09:46:18 AM by Phantasm »

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2009, 05:51:01 PM »
Please forgive me for being critical of the great work you guys are doing in this thread but I must ask... And please correct me if I'm off base here (I very well could be) but...

Is this effect using the special core described herein necessary for the TPU to run? This isnt mentioned in SM's archive of forum posts.. Was it mentioned elsewhere by SM? I dont think he ever mentioned what kind of core to use for his collector toroids has he?

If a TPU needs to be tuned off frequency so as to avoid being overloaded is it even necessary to harness additional energy? Or are you proposing that this is how SM's TPU operated?

My reasoning here is that I would think he would have mentioned something about how it was necessary to tune the core's resonance as well as the coils no? I suppose its possible he just didnt mention it but considering the risks he took to divulge the what he WAS able to tell us, I dont see any reason why he wouldnt at least mention that the cores were special in some way and then hint about how we should explore the acoustics or w/e

Further to that point - In the video where he demonstrates his large TPU there is a section of it missing where you would be able to see a solid core there (I'm at work so I cannot confirm right now but) As far as I remember, it appeared that the torroid cores were separated slightly at the point where the leads came out... Wouldnt the internal core need to be uniform about the full circumference so as to allow for the acoustics to travel - if the continuity of the internal torroid (control coils) is breached shouldnt that impeed the travel of the necessary acoustics?

Dont get me wrong though, I'm not trying to discount how effective this effect could be for harnessing energy within a TPU, I just dont want to have more complication than whats needed for TPU functionality... (at least, in my TPU anyway...)

Please correct me if I'm wrong.. I really would appreciate your input, and once again - I hope I'm not coming across as being too critical of your efforts..

Cheers,

I am not building a SM TPU, but a TPU that is based to known effects and observations and models. On the other hand, this mayby, just maybe is the same technology that SM used in his TPU.
As i know, SM never told anything more technical details about TPU, he only used words like "kicks", " squeeze the hose" " tune to magnetic frequency" etc... perhaps he has his reasons for that kind of description. I dont want to use time for that kind of quessing.. it is a never ending game.
It can be that this acoustomagnetic resonance technology is used also with SEG, and with some other devices that is claimed to produce OU effects, anyway some measurements and observations are creating effects, where acoustomagnetic resonance is detected.
To your question, does the device work, if there is a hole in a cores circumference? I think that it does not destroy the effect.

Please feel free to ask about this tecnology, it belongs to science that you can think critical way. On the other hand, you must technically claim against, why this tecnology does not work.. ;)
This way a science goes forward.

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2009, 10:26:35 PM »
I am not building a SM TPU, but a TPU that is based to known effects and observations and models. On the other hand, this mayby, just maybe is the same technology that SM used in his TPU.
As i know, SM never told anything more technical details about TPU, he only used words like "kicks", " squeeze the hose" " tune to magnetic frequency" etc... perhaps he has his reasons for that kind of description. I dont want to use time for that kind of quessing.. it is a never ending game.
It can be that this acoustomagnetic resonance technology is used also with SEG, and with some other devices that is claimed to produce OU effects, anyway some measurements and observations are creating effects, where acoustomagnetic resonance is detected.
To your question, does the device work, if there is a hole in a cores circumference? I think that it does not destroy the effect.

Please feel free to ask about this tecnology, it belongs to science that you can think critical way. On the other hand, you must technically claim against, why this tecnology does not work.. ;)
This way a science goes forward.

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@Magnon

Ahh ok :)

Actually I was thinking about it and you are right - even within the framework of what SM has said, there are a lot of ways this thing could be generating its output.. If you consider that SM has said that the kick comes from the interaction of the harmonic frequencies AND also he says they come from the first moment when you first allow current to flow in a wire... these are two entirely different principals of operation - though its totally possible that he is making use of both of these effects i expect other effects could be at work as well..

@ All

SM once said that the wiring closely resembled Pizeo stacks - I am still absorbing as much information as possible but I was not able to find out what a Pizeo stack is - im sure its something simple but could someone point me in the right direction?

Cheers,


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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2009, 07:51:34 PM »
Thank you. I will have to order ferrite with 2000 permeability.

I just read about the melanins, they are really interesting compounds. I really don't know where can I buy it, just checked on the net, found nothing, but I will make some research in what industry they using usually, maybe I can find somewhere locally. Anybody any idea?

Wikipedia :

"Melanins, in the synthetic sense, are "rigid-backbone" conductive polymers composed of polyacetylene, polypyrrole, and polyaniline "Blacks" and their mixed copolymers. The simplest melanin is polyacetylene, and some fungal melanins are pure polyacetylene."

http://www.panipol.fi/index51b7.html?option=content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=41

I think that it is best to use a non-conductive form of melanins, to avoid microwave absorbtion in a core.



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« Last Edit: April 19, 2009, 09:52:20 PM by Magnon »

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2009, 06:40:17 AM »
Hello all,

@Phantasm

No special core needed!!

In a TPU we have 2 cores. Im using copper as cores because Metglas cores are not good.
I can imagine that SM used 1 copper core + 1 Aluminium core.

Yes, the cores seperated but it depends on how you connect the collectors. In one way connected you dont have to seperate the cores and connected in the other way you have to seperate them.

 If you have closed cores you have to connect the collectors in one way, if the cores are open on one end you have to connect the collectors in another way.

As you see we have a lot of options. Better said only 2 options.

Otto

 

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