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Author Topic: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model  (Read 25106 times)

Offline Magnon

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Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« on: February 21, 2009, 04:16:08 PM »
Hi,

This new topic is started to discuss about acoustomagnetic effect in a TPU and SEG like devices.

There is a way to produce a rotating polarization ( helicons ) microwaves when a travelling acoustic pulse with a wavelenght equal to frequency of  electron spin precession in a applied magnetic field are in 90 degree angle with each other, this is called as magnetoacoustic effect. This is what happens in a TPU and SEG like devices.
The created microwave radiation is produced in a direction of applied magnetic field, and can be amplified by reflecting the signal back ( interference ) like MASER.
The microwave frequency is the reason that the one turn collector coil can be used.
In a case of TPU the magnetic field is first created in a direction h in a toroid coil.
The toroid coil is made of elastic composite material like a urethane foam.  This elastic composite material consists of magnetostrictive and paramagnetic powder like nickel and aluminium.
We can see this same phenomena with a SEG, the difference with a TPU is that the SEG uses deformation of material to produce an acoustic wave to travel around the stator, and uses permanent composite magnets for electron spin precession. Radial E-field must also be applied, with SEG this happens when the magnetic fields repel, in a case of TPU you must add a HV radial E-field.

There is a Excel file attach, that you can play with and see how acoustic and ESR frequensies are tuned in a TPU.


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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2009, 09:35:01 PM »
Any chance you could upload a version readable by something besides Excel 2007?

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2009, 10:00:52 PM »
Any chance you could upload a version readable by something besides Excel 2007?

Here is the Excel 97-2003  version.

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2009, 10:00:52 PM »
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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2009, 10:33:44 PM »
Here you can find some interesting reading about the subject.

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2009, 11:31:30 PM »
Here you can find some interesting reading about the subject.

--Magnon
Hey thanks, i have to digest it completely first ,but i would appreciate some more papers also before i could talk about it.

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2009, 01:29:22 AM »
Precession into inductance

or

High frequency discharge into capacitance. Slow draw through load.E. Timothy Trapp, Muller, Bedini, or spark gap.

or both models into 1 as in Hubbard.

Spank the capacitor and it absorbs it. Spank the inductor and it rings.

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2009, 12:51:01 AM »
I've found something really interesting about the frequencies.See it for yourself
"The magnetoacoustic emission is a consequence of the existence of magnetic domains in ferromagnetic samples. This effect is driven by an alternating magnetic field, which engages the increase or decrease of the favoured magnetic domains and thereby the domain wall movement. In the standing wave case, the domain wall motion is correlated with the displacements of portions of the elastic ferromagnetic medium from the elastic standing wave in the sample. In this case, the MAE effect becomes maximum, the domain walls perform a forced oscillation, and we can obtain information about the evolution of the magnetic domains in the sample by the analysis of the resonance curve. Certainly, in the case of standing wave method, the maximum effect is obtained for the natural frequencies of the sample. In the sample, in the case of longitudinal wave, on both sides of the nodes, the medium is subject of alternative compressions and dilatations, such as the interaction between the magnetic wall motion and the elastic wave will have the maximum effect. By comparing the effect for natural frequencies of the sample, for a free behavior, the maximum effect is obtained for the first eigenfrequency of the ferromagnetic rod. This can be explained by the fact that in this case, in the whole sample, the wave oscillations and the magnetic wall motion are in phase. For the second natural frequency, with an node at the middle of the bar , only for half of the sample the two oscillations are in phase. This explain why the effect is approximately fifty percent lower as the effect for the first natural frequency, and the analogism can be extended to the next natural frequencies. Reciprocal, by placing the sample in a constant magnetic field, and transmitting an ultrasonic wave into the sample at the locations, where the standing wave stress is maximum, a high frequency magnetic field is generated by the reciprocal effect of magnetostriction [9].Due to the fact that the magnetoacoustic effect is very sensitive to the internal stress or to magnetic modifications, this method can be used in the nondestructive evaluation of ferromagnetic materials."

I would love to see how the simplest test setup  for a tpu using this effect would look like.

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2009, 05:53:31 PM »
I've found something really interesting about the frequencies.See it for yourself
"The magnetoacoustic emission is a consequence of the existence of magnetic domains in ferromagnetic samples. This effect is driven by an alternating magnetic field, which engages the increase or decrease of the favoured magnetic domains and thereby the domain wall movement. In the standing wave case, the domain wall motion is correlated with the displacements of portions of the elastic ferromagnetic medium from the elastic standing wave in the sample. In this case, the MAE effect becomes maximum, the domain walls perform a forced oscillation, and we can obtain information about the evolution of the magnetic domains in the sample by the analysis of the resonance curve. Certainly, in the case of standing wave method, the maximum effect is obtained for the natural frequencies of the sample. In the sample, in the case of longitudinal wave, on both sides of the nodes, the medium is subject of alternative compressions and dilatations, such as the interaction between the magnetic wall motion and the elastic wave will have the maximum effect. By comparing the effect for natural frequencies of the sample, for a free behavior, the maximum effect is obtained for the first eigenfrequency of the ferromagnetic rod. This can be explained by the fact that in this case, in the whole sample, the wave oscillations and the magnetic wall motion are in phase. For the second natural frequency, with an node at the middle of the bar , only for half of the sample the two oscillations are in phase. This explain why the effect is approximately fifty percent lower as the effect for the first natural frequency, and the analogism can be extended to the next natural frequencies. Reciprocal, by placing the sample in a constant magnetic field, and transmitting an ultrasonic wave into the sample at the locations, where the standing wave stress is maximum, a high frequency magnetic field is generated by the reciprocal effect of magnetostriction [9].Due to the fact that the magnetoacoustic effect is very sensitive to the internal stress or to magnetic modifications, this method can be used in the nondestructive evaluation of ferromagnetic materials."

I would love to see how the simplest test setup  for a tpu using this effect would look like.

The goal is to create coherent microwave radiation from constant magnetic field by wobbling free or unpaired ( ESR ) charged electrons by an acoustic pulse.
This coherent microwave radiation can be amplified with interferece, by reflecting part of the microwave signal back in a direction h in a toroid core. This alone creates power for one turn collector coil, but there is also an other phenomena involved, created nested microwave patterns, that exist at manytimes of distances r ( tpu core radius ). Those nested em patterns around are able to collect and suck charges and other fields around. Prime number of waves are used to create a stable field, without subharmonics.

TPU core composite material consists of three material:

Ferromagnetic and magnetostrictice particles to create a magnetic field and magnetostrictive effect for ultrasound. Nickel powder is used here.

Aluminium particles for charge collection and for paramagnetic properties.

Ferrite particles for magnetic field and for ESR, ferrite has a low conductivity and therefore low eddy current loss.

Elastic and insulating base material, where powders are mixed with, urethane foam can be used here.
Urethane foam has a sound speed around 1500 m/s.

In a core a longitudinal acoustic pulse is launched by vertical wound coil around the core, that is pulsed with a given acoustic freguency.

The needed h direction magnetic field is created by horizontal coil. Only low field strenght is needed, around 0.22T

Collector coil is also horizontal.

Radial HV E-field is created by one turn horizontal coil in a midde of the core.

I ask those who are interested about subject to join to replication project, this time we know what we are looking for and the device is based to known facts.

--Magnon




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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2009, 06:12:37 PM »
You can also use electrostriction for acoustic wave generation, the setup is the same, but use AC high voltage. Electric potential difference of 10 kV / cm causes 0.1% deformation  ( strain ) in a urethane foam.
Advantage with a electrostriction is that the magnetic field can be stable all the time.
Use ferrite powder with permeability 2000, here is the list of manufacturers,

http://www.inductors.pl/polski/pm.php?lang=en

Adjust the magnetic field strenght in a core with a adjustable DC source, that is connected to horizontal coil, that exists around the core. If you have a constant magnetic field, it means that the ESR spectrum is very narrow but it gives coherent microwave radiation, when wobbled with a acoustic wave with a same wavelenght.

-- Magnon

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2009, 08:44:58 PM »


You might benefit by contacting Mark Snoswell as he seems to be trucking down the same road.  If you find success, be prepared however,  I'm quite positive that TPTB are well equipped to monitor the 'airwaves' for the calling card excitedly being waved by a successful magnetic OU device.


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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2009, 09:23:40 PM »

You might benefit by contacting Mark Snoswell as he seems to be trucking down the same road.  If you find success, be prepared however,  I'm quite positive that TPTB are well equipped to monitor the 'airwaves' for the calling card excitedly being waved by a successful magnetic OU device.


TS

Mark Snoswell is welcome to join this discussion.

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2009, 11:08:23 PM »

Then, I take it you know the man....


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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2009, 11:59:21 PM »
I got a message, that these Excel files might be infected with a Trojan horse ?

Could somebody please check into this and let me know by private email ?

Many thanks.

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There was recently and advisory sent out for infected excel spread sheets, if you recently opened an excel spreadsheet on your pc, particularly the one most recently uploaded in a thread about acoustic magnetodynamics (something or other) ..it contained macro's which my version of open Office decided weren't worth running, then you may have gotten a trojan horse.

the files I saw were on this thread:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6879.0  this is a point entry vulnerability.  The thread was started by a newbie.  Looks suspicious.

more info can be found here:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/02/24/Attackers_targeting_unpatched_vulnerability_in_Excel_2007_1.html

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2009, 12:53:39 PM »
Hi Magnon -- interested to know where you got some of your ideas? ...

Rods made of Ferrite + Al + Ni powder in an epoxy matrix are reported to emit microwaves in an OU device that generated 1-6KW power -- I am not at liberty to say more here. BEP will know what I am talking about.

You can also go the other way -- with a single frequency input (100 Khz range) to a simple MA (Magnetoacoustic) device you can get arbitrary low frequency output. This is predicted in theory and I have observed it in ferrite rods -- :) - but the effect has an equivalent Q of 100,000 - 1,000,000 so unless you have very good equipment and you know exactly what to look for you will never chance upon the effect. You may be able to reverse this to a degree - I have yet to do this.

I have MA effects working in steel rods as well - this is far harder than generating MA effects in ferrite rods (which is hard enough).

I already had Nataliya's paper regarding local flattening of fermi surfaces -- and it is interesting.

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Re: Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2009, 04:17:34 PM »
I got a message, that these Excel files might be infected with a Trojan horse ?

Could somebody please check into this and let me know by private email ?

Many thanks.

===============

There was recently and advisory sent out for infected excel spread sheets, if you recently opened an excel spreadsheet on your pc, particularly the one most recently uploaded in a thread about acoustic magnetodynamics (something or other) ..it contained macro's which my version of open Office decided weren't worth running, then you may have gotten a trojan horse.

the files I saw were on this thread:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6879.0  this is a point entry vulnerability.  The thread was started by a newbie.  Looks suspicious.

more info can be found here:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/02/24/Attackers_targeting_unpatched_vulnerability_in_Excel_2007_1.html


If you mean Phonon calculator Excel file, it is an open file for share and edit, the macro code is visible and contains no Trojan horses.. it can be that it does not run with a Open office.

--Magnon

 

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