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Offline brian334

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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2009, 11:49:19 PM »
Free speech is a good thing, even if it is nasty speech.

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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2009, 12:21:19 AM »
Free speech is a good thing, even if it is nasty speech.


There are many who would disagree with you there.

I'd rather be a help than a hindrance, unlike some who are just outright insulting, that don't cut it here as par the warning given.

But you can try if you want.

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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2009, 01:09:18 AM »
tinsel is right
if u were to believe half the posts claiming ou we would have hundreds of working devices
and tinsel has better input and more brains than 3 dozen of the average user here put together
what is it like 5 times a week a new thread is started saying here it is overuniity and free energy is solved
bunch of frikin $%#*&^
and the idea shown here is one of the worst yet
and he says it works but hes been too busy over the last 40 years to rebuild it and save the world and be declared the smartest greatest man in the history of the world
 >:(

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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2009, 01:09:18 AM »
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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2009, 01:24:06 AM »
G'day all,

Well, whatever else you may say about this device, it's an interesting approach I have not seen before. That in itself is something.

The fact that it runs in WM2D is also something, though this does not necessarily mean much. Many of us have devices that run forever in WM2D but have no chance in the real world. I'll attach one of mine just to show what I mean.

Altogether a valiant effort though, at least worth a closer look.

Well done Yortuk.

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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2009, 01:30:26 AM »
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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2009, 03:02:28 PM »
I agree with TinselKoala regarding the claimed working devices
There is too many stories about claimed working devices, with a quite incredible history about how this device was destroyed, missed in the well at grandpa's house in the summer of '56, how the crow stealed all the neo-magnets, and the drawing of a working device. How a man "forgot" to take with him Pandora's box - a working overunity wheel - to USA from another country.
And also claim he is not skilled enough to make two circles with a few springs and balls on it.
I agree there is too many claims of such kind. But also we must respect these claimers - we still do not have to believe them.

Btw, I have also made working simulations, but the reality is often too complex for a simulator to handle perfectly. I have also been tempted to tell people I have a working device, because I'm sitting here in front of a computer, and will never meet those other members in real life anyways - claimes that is based on a great conviction about how this device would work in real life. After a second thought, I found out the flaw with that design too, and are glad I didn't claim anything after all :)

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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2009, 04:09:39 PM »
Free speech is a good thing, even if it is nasty speech.
...and an attitude of value to the oil companies.

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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2009, 04:13:18 PM »
TinselKola,
calm down or I will put you on ReadOnly.
That's a good idea.....or a Yellow Card.

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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2009, 10:38:01 AM »
Yortuk, don't give up. It's thinking outside the box that gets results.

I would like to add that WM2D is not the best application to chase PM. Many of us have found a solution that cannot possible work in the real world, like Hans has posted.

Here is a model I worked on for a while.

Air resistance is high and rotates with any frame rate you want.

It shows a true bug in WM2D.

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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2009, 11:18:16 PM »
G'day all,

Well, whatever else you may say about this device, it's an interesting approach I have not seen before. That in itself is something.

Hans von Lieven

Hans,

The idea is similar to this.  There are some differences.



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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2009, 11:38:37 PM »
No one likes to be lied to.



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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2009, 12:31:01 AM »
Hans,

The idea is similar to this.  There are some differences.



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Nothing like it!

No one likes to be lied to.



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Parables are sure a Bessler secret, explain yourself or shut the **** up.

What a TROLL.

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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2009, 12:41:01 AM »
Cmdr,

VERY NICE!!

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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2009, 02:15:08 AM »
@

Hi, Yortuk. I believe you., why not.  It give more tan your inventin...

In 1941, a man , in my hometown,built a very strong, powering wheel (like Bessler) with hundreds of little cars in the wheel that rolled in tubes (inner half) of the wheel..
wheel was about 30cm  and 70cm in diameter mad from iron parts
weight approx 30kgsi

So it is just as possible as Bessler: this one or your solution.

But it’s some power that is used to which no attention is given - and it is not included in the programming of the software to try or find it. So Working Model simulations are not TRUE in relation to mechanical, hardware experiments!!

I am sure that resonance is the KEY!! I am also very sure that more than one resonance will be the source.

Source can only be if (in minimum) two different resonances are working together in HARMONIC within supra or sub frequencies:

1. Springs
2. Weight of Balls
3. Rotational Speed

We have three different FREQUENCIES! If one is changed, NOTHING WILL WORK!

So it is very hard to reconstruct them - because you have not given attention to think and "save" this knowledge!!

So no simulation software can "find this out," because no programmer has done such to provide "ports for INPUT" to change such (unknown) values.

ONLY hardware experiments can make it possible to find a solution.
Gustav Pese

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Re: Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2009, 03:22:57 AM »
Nothing like it!

Parables are sure a Bessler secret, explain yourself or shut the **** up.

What a TROLL.

Hello Mindsweeper,

Always a pleasure to explain something to those less fortunate in the grey cell area. 

Making a claim that isn't true is the same as lying.  The blatant example is the name of this thread, "Working Perpetual Wheel Using Springs".  It's a friggin lie.  That's one of the similarities between this device and the one I posted.  There are other similarities.

Weights suspended by springs is another as are weights moving along  a ramp.  A stationary ramp vs a moving one is a difference.  I mentioned there were differences.  There are others but the chief similarity is they both don't work yet both were attempted to be passed off as ones that do.  Both ideas were presented by liars.

Thinking people get tired of being lied to in that fashion but I wouldn't expect you to understand.

I hope you liked the explanation.

Since I quickly complied with your request of explaining or shutting the fuck up, I have one for you.

Bite my arse, you arrogant, lying piece of crap.  You're arrogant in thinking you can make demands of me.  Demanding honesty from people isn't arrogance.  Again I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Oh yea, bite it right there . . . Not so hard  ... ah yes, yes!!


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