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Author Topic: Triumphans Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum (ONLINE)  (Read 13780 times)

AB Hammer

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Re: Triumphans Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum (ONLINE)
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2009, 06:04:09 PM »
Quote from: mindsweeper on February 11, 2009, 12:51:49 PM
One thing's for sure, the reception of a self perpetuating wheel will be very different from Besslers day.

All the counter claims and the "hey you stole my idea" groups will be fuming..

But I hope as I'm sure others do...



mindsweeper

 You brings up a very good point in this sue happy society. But there is one thing that has to be answered and can not be disputed. Why didn't you have a running wheel then? If the design was open sourced the designer has a claim of name only of the design, but not for building. And only if it is properly posted will that even have a chance for name claim. And if open sourced anyone can build it.
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DrWhat

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Re: Triumphans Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum (ONLINE)
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2009, 09:52:48 PM »
Very true Alan,

I do admire your enthusiasm.

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Re: Triumphans Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum (ONLINE)
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2009, 10:03:51 PM »
It may in fact be these types of web sites themselves that are used to provide evidence of "prior art".

When a design emerges (if ever!) there will be those that have posted who will contest the design saying "but that 5% of the device is based on my idea, and here are the previously posted images/details on Overunity.com or BesslerWheel.com" etc.
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mindsweeper

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Re: Triumphans Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum (ONLINE)
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2009, 11:37:45 PM »
Quote from: AB Hammer on February 11, 2009, 06:04:09 PM
mindsweeper

 You brings up a very good point in this sue happy society. But there is one thing that has to be answered and can not be disputed. Why didn't you have a running wheel then? If the design was open sourced the designer has a claim of name only of the design, but not for building. And only if it is properly posted will that even have a chance for name claim. And if open sourced anyone can build it.

AB Hammer,

I have no idea what the outcome of posting here a valid concept and a working design would cause. If some one can post to the forum a wheel that works, then another said organization patented that design, what the legalities would be.

Has it ever been done online before ??


I would hope that the original poster would have claim to the design but I just have no idea...

EDIT: sorry for my english, it's bad I know..

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hansvonlieven

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Re: Triumphans Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum (ONLINE)
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2009, 04:09:14 AM »
The one thing that kills a patent is prior art. If you can prove you have published the design before the patent application the patent will not be granted. If you publish under copyright you have rights to the design.

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AB Hammer

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Re: Triumphans Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum (ONLINE)
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2009, 04:30:45 AM »
Quote from: DrWhat on February 11, 2009, 10:03:51 PM
It may in fact be these types of web sites themselves that are used to provide evidence of "prior art".

When a design emerges (if ever!) there will be those that have posted who will contest the design saying "but that 5% of the device is based on my idea, and here are the previously posted images/details on Overunity.com or BesslerWheel.com" etc.

Greetings Damian

 5% is a wasted claim, but there are thousands of designs out there. How many designs have we come up with in the past that resembles something we find later? Lets say 80% But you would still have the strongest case by having a runner and they do not. Patents are made by just little changes of existing designs as well. So it would have to pretty close to make any claim for most of what most people can claim belongs to those long since dead as well, so  where do they stand now? Not so powerful.

Hans

 A copyright is of course another way to start with and it is allot less expensive but it is only a small part but it helps put dates where they need to be for security of the designers ideas.
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hansvonlieven

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Re: Triumphans Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum (ONLINE)
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2009, 08:59:22 PM »
G'day Alan,

Did you know that you can copyright a three dimensional work of art and get better protection than with a patent. Copyright expires 50 years after the artist's death.

Hans von Lieven
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Re: Triumphans Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum (ONLINE)
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2009, 09:20:50 PM »
Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 12, 2009, 08:59:22 PM
G'day Alan,

Did you know that you can copyright a three dimensional work of art and get better protection than with a patent. Copyright expires 50 years after the artist's death.

Hans von Lieven

I think it's the same for audio Hans.

But then doesen't it depend on the country of the author?
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AB Hammer

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Re: Triumphans Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum (ONLINE)
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2009, 01:24:07 AM »
Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 12, 2009, 08:59:22 PM
G'day Alan,

Did you know that you can copyright a three dimensional work of art and get better protection than with a patent. Copyright expires 50 years after the artist's death.

Hans von Lieven

Thanks Hans

 So when I finish one of my peaces of art, I copyright it. But I will still go for the patent due to a vast number of variation possibilities. ;)
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Re: Triumphans Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum (ONLINE)
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2009, 11:05:28 PM »
More Orffyreus online info.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/259189/Orffyreus-Wheel#

Please share any online info you find.
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hansvonlieven

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Re: Triumphans Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum (ONLINE)
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2009, 02:45:54 AM »
Perhaps you like this Bessler wheel. I found it on a German site and liked it so much that I translated it and put it on my own website.

The wheel only works if you offer it your bath water as the writer says. I kept the German text so you can see I am not making this up.

http://keelytech.com/besslerdoppelrad.html

Hans von Lieven
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