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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #180 on: February 20, 2009, 05:13:28 PM »
sorry about the image size, oooops. ;D ;D

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #181 on: February 20, 2009, 05:25:56 PM »
sorry about the image size, oooops. ;D ;D

hi,

i just downloaded it.  looks great!!  do you know if the pictures at the website are of a real working unit?

tom

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #182 on: February 20, 2009, 05:40:32 PM »
I got google to translate the page, it did a good enough job to work out that the machine was left to fall apart for a good few years then was rediscovered and renovated back to a working setup, seems like it is a working machine, not a closed loop one though, it continually pumps water from a well.

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #183 on: February 20, 2009, 05:46:46 PM »
I got google to translate the page, it did a good enough job to work out that the machine was left to fall apart for a good few years then was rediscovered and renovated back to a working setup, seems like it is a working machine, not a closed loop one though, it continually pumps water from a well.

could you tell if it could pump the water from the well itself?  or have to use grid power?

tom

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #184 on: February 20, 2009, 05:48:53 PM »
I got google to translate the page, it did a good enough job to work out that the machine was left to fall apart for a good few years then was rediscovered and renovated back to a working setup, seems like it is a working machine, not a closed loop one though, it continually pumps water from a well.

yes it is a real machine , but not a closed loop ...
a lot of water is flowing away

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #185 on: February 20, 2009, 06:25:21 PM »
yes it is a real machine , but not a closed loop ...
a lot of water is flowing away

So it is powered by a well where the flowing water is the input energy ?

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #186 on: February 20, 2009, 06:31:32 PM »
So it is powered by a well where the flowing water is the input energy ?

yes Stephan
the flowing water is the input energy

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #187 on: February 20, 2009, 08:11:42 PM »
it's built close to a river, the river enters at the middle (top of the diagram just under the tower that holds the lever thing) to fill up the left or right 'pan', they fall from the weight forcing the piston down, the water from the 'pan' drains away, they didn't pump the river water up just the water from a well (in the diagram, the box like item near the bottom inbetween the 2 pistons is the well). The funny thing is they kept the mechanical pump working as a model for visitors but replaced the water feed to the castle with an electric pump !! ???

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #188 on: February 20, 2009, 10:10:37 PM »
it's built close to a river, the river enters at the middle (top of the diagram just under the tower that holds the lever thing) to fill up the left or right 'pan', they fall from the weight forcing the piston down, the water from the 'pan' drains away, they didn't pump the river water up just the water from a well (in the diagram, the box like item near the bottom inbetween the 2 pistons is the well). The funny thing is they kept the mechanical pump working as a model for visitors but replaced the water feed to the castle with an electric pump !! ???

I am not surprised. As simple as the French pump is it has a number of drawbacks, the main one being the high maintenance of the system. Chief enemy is algae build up in the pans that operate the device.

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #189 on: February 20, 2009, 11:33:15 PM »
G'day all,

I have updated my paper on hydrostatics. The updated version contains the first part as well so everything is kept neatly together.

There is more to come as I get the time.

Have fun,

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #190 on: February 21, 2009, 05:04:03 AM »
Hi Hans,
many thanks.
I am just reading it.
Well done.

I converted it to PDF for those who dont have WORD installed.

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #191 on: February 21, 2009, 08:23:40 AM »
it's built close to a river, the river enters at the middle (top of the diagram just under the tower that holds the lever thing) to fill up the left or right 'pan', they fall from the weight forcing the piston down, the water from the 'pan' drains away, they didn't pump the river water up just the water from a well (in the diagram, the box like item near the bottom inbetween the 2 pistons is the well). The funny thing is they kept the mechanical pump working as a model for visitors but replaced the water feed to the castle with an electric pump !! ???


you can look also at :

La fontaine de Heron ( used in the flowing water of Versaille )


how it works in english
http://www.history.rochester.edu/steam/hero/

you can read the pic but text in french
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A9ron_d'Alexandrie

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #192 on: February 21, 2009, 08:41:45 AM »

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #193 on: February 21, 2009, 09:19:34 AM »
I gave a lot of thoughts to this fountain in my younger years (math calculations included) and I tried to make it run forever by combining two such fountains to get the water from one to another and vice versa, over and over again -  but I only got an oscillating system which eventually stops. If I have time I will draw a schematic on my computer - in those times there were no computers and I threw all hand drawn schematics back then when I realized it was no perpetuum mobile.


you can look also at :

La fontaine de Heron ( used in the flowing water of Versaille )


how it works in english
http://www.history.rochester.edu/steam/hero/

you can read the pic but text in french
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A9ron_d'Alexandrie


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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #194 on: February 21, 2009, 09:19:40 AM »
Here is a great explanation video in plain english:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VyNln0T6Jc

The water just flows from the top vessel into the lower vessel.
That is the energy source.

Regards, Stefan.