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Author Topic: Knitel's InfinityPump  (Read 130365 times)

turbo

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #165 on: February 20, 2009, 12:31:51 PM »
Your dreams are useless, what we need is proof of concept, repeatable results.
This begins exactly where dreaming ends so maybe it's time for you to wake up  :)

Marco.

wizkycho

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #166 on: February 20, 2009, 12:43:15 PM »
thanx to all for proposals on resolving pumping action problem due to hydrostatic paradox
- cappilar action (many capillares could help)
- reshapeing
...
this pic is another proposal of solving that problem
with two (as I can see it) drawbacks that V2 should be wider
and preassured air inside container allso would enter cilinder
and will make unwanted preassure from bellow on floater

we know much lighter then water and much heavier then air is wide wide range.

can X range fall into that range or is it outside in other or same paradox.

is there a range of X that device now works
I know paradox is strong (by prediction calculus, haven't seen experiment myself to be a believer)
would this help any ?
I'm not very at home with hydrostatic calculus

what do you think or calculate !

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #167 on: February 20, 2009, 12:45:02 PM »
Hi all !

My hope is back and my/our device is now more likeliy works over 100%
So All are invited and try to dissmantle it...
I wan't play boogie man and now even if you do.

C'mon and stop it.

Wiz
« Last Edit: February 20, 2009, 01:06:03 PM by wizkycho »

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #168 on: February 20, 2009, 01:30:20 PM »
.. You are right, it is becuse i'm trying to make King Hans and his Minions to teach to stop on time and not to make OVERRIDICULOUS every topic they apper in
not just mine, or on the other hand to leave and join another tribe that has less civilized ways. And You may allso as his devoted admierer
(based on who knows what) and lawyer join that tribe and together you'll find the ultimate truth you seek very fast using your very own methods...
do it on yourselves.

Wiz

THATS IT Wiz.
To speak in your words;

You with your minions are a "King of Creativity" and Hans with his minions is a "King of Academics".
So King Hans should help to find what is possible and King Igor should help to figure out what is impossible.
Somewere in beetween is the future of our World containing all the Kingdoms.

I am a Minion of both of you "Kings".  8)

best,
sushi

tbird

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #169 on: February 20, 2009, 01:48:57 PM »
hi hans,

nice start on your educational material.  will you cover flow relationships?

i think i may have given gravitator some bad info. 

question...if you double the diameter of the supply tube (in wiz's 1st design), will the travel time of the piston/weight be  longer, same or shorter?

since your time is limited, a 1 word answer will be fine.

thanks

tom

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #170 on: February 20, 2009, 02:02:21 PM »
calling Earth !

Anybody thea...?

or waiting in ambush again and then to LOL to ridiculosity.

C'mon dissmantle it

maximal preassure of air that can be applied on bottom of floater
still be able to go down is 49Kg (less then 50Kg) per 100cm2. right ? (lets say at first no friction on floater:))
.....

Wiz

tagor

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #171 on: February 20, 2009, 02:38:49 PM »

here is a real infinity pump ( for more than 100 years )

http://www.anpei.org/Le-balancier-hydraulique-de

how it works ?




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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #172 on: February 20, 2009, 02:41:33 PM »
I think you can understand it without reading the french legend

tbird

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #173 on: February 20, 2009, 02:42:30 PM »
hi wiz,

i'll take a shot.

what ever effect the air pressure has on the system will will stay until you change something.  say if the air pressure forces the supply water up, it will stay there until you remove (or redirect it) the air pressure.

still early for me, so short reply for now.

tom

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #174 on: February 20, 2009, 02:54:36 PM »
here is a real infinity pump ( for more than 100 years )

http://www.anpei.org/Le-balancier-hydraulique-de

how it works ?


hi tagor,

i'm sorry, but i don't have a clue.  can you write up something to explain?

tom


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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #175 on: February 20, 2009, 03:35:41 PM »
TinselKoala and Hans are banned from my topic...
Why have their posts been turning up? maybe you should repeat the banning process and save Stefan
a little data. The Lord knows we have a data problem on this web site.
Paul.

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #176 on: February 20, 2009, 04:01:15 PM »
Hi Igor,
the problem I see with the pressurized air is,
that the air will also come to the lower side of
the weight in the main cylinder and then you again have no
advantage, cause the pressurized air will also push against the weight
to not go down but to push it up in the cylinder...

So this does not help there..

Did you look in my proposal to use the hydrostatic paradoxon
and use the bigger tube at the lower watersurface for the pipe ?

Regards, Stefan.

wizkycho

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #177 on: February 20, 2009, 04:14:38 PM »
hi wiz,

i'll take a shot.

what ever effect the air pressure has on the system will will stay until you change something.  say if the air pressure forces the supply water up, it will stay there until you remove (or redirect it) the air pressure.

still early for me, so short reply for now.

tom

if V2 (bottom valve is closed) swimmer in start position
I now put air pressure of 490g/per cm2 in system 
I think now in pipe is pressure 10g/cm2 (height of pipe 5m and 1cm2) not anymore 500g/cm2

since swimmer has 100 bigger surface the min. weight of swimmer should be now only 1kg (10g/cm2*100cm2)
not 50kg as without air pressure.

so let swimmer to be 3Kg

now if V2 is opened will the pressure of air below swimmer (transfered with bubbles through water) immidiately create counter swimmer moving
force of 49000g/100cm2 ? this is counter 49Kg of pressure (so floater instead to go down goes up) and make it unworkable
or will fast water leak out take the main pressure...of air entering

somehow I'm hoping that water (under the swimmer) that goes down from container will take most of the outer air pressure "strenght" and not bump straight
with 49kg anti pump force. and cancel my 3 kilos.
somehow it is hard to imagine that preassure will immidiately be at a bottom of swimmer

in another words that air transfered as bubbles through water can not immidiately create counter preassure on swimmer and stop it
First some ammount of water must fall down and some ammount pumped up with swimmers height. Ithink

if that pressure does bump right in shouldn't that pressure make pumping in undesired direction

can it happen that way

I know its an delicate situation and question and I might sound illogicall but at least I made negative pressure lot smaller, at least at first.
still learning how to surpass this multiplication of preassure. maybe its impossible ...this way.


Wiz

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #178 on: February 20, 2009, 05:11:56 PM »
Minus valves and backchecks but drawing it out helped me get my head round this one.
(need a ciggie and a broo now) :-)

tbird

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #179 on: February 20, 2009, 05:13:21 PM »
hi wiz,

if you pressurize the supply tank, it will raise the water by itself.  you will need no weight in the cylinder.

with the cylinder full of water, still with a portion of your 49kg/cm2 (pressure will go down with increase of volume being pressurized), your 500g will fall thru v2, since the pressure is the same everywhere now.

at this point you are almost back to the start of the cycle.  all you have to do is pressurize the supply tank, without an external source, to original pressure and remove the pressure in the cylinder. :(

tom