Author Topic: Knitel's InfinityPump (Read 131066 times)

Tito L. Oracion · « **Reply #90 on:** February 19, 2009, 09:12:19 AM »

Hi everyone

I think we could use this to pump that thing

hansvonlieven · « **Reply #91 on:** February 19, 2009, 09:41:45 AM »

Quote from: hartiberlin on February 19, 2009, 09:03:08 AM

Okay, I just looked it up again,
had to refresh my memory:

With 1 bar normal air pressure you can lift water 10 Meters up.
So in our case when the 100 Kg swimmer weight is at the top of the cylinder,
the right pipe can be maximum 10 Meters above the lower bassin water level.m
So we have 10 Meters to play with the height parameters.

Correct Stefan, but in order to move the water column you have to exert a downward pressure greater than 1 kg/cm2 which is heavier than the water column. So how are you going to get it back up again?

Forget about the 100 kg, this is meaningless only kg/cm2 is important.

Hans von Lieven

wizkycho · « **Reply #92 on:** February 19, 2009, 09:54:36 AM »

Hi all !

this site is completely bad physics and calculus and it is not refreshed as new proofs comes in or
site claims that one setup can be reduced to something simmilar...well only sometimes.

I saw a film where boyant principle is made practical and works in its every part - has only technicall difficulties in quality sealing. this is greatly solved in InfinityPump

this works and it is prooven experimentaly:
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm#buoy4

they even claim half truts, that these perpetuummobiles when set in motion are gaining speed (indefinetly ??) forgotting to say ...gaining speed till energy gain equalizes with counter
energy(loss) of friction.

in that film eggolike objects lighter then water climbs in water column with diameter allmost same as floted object. (This means that V3 (on MP) doesn't have to be wide - small easy operable vent is sufficient and MP can go all the way to the bottom and then still be able to be displaced with heavier water).
when it comes to surface it drops (through air) back into water and back to climb up cilinder.
think is a china guy who made an experiment.
can someone find that link...the climb up cilinder and whole setup is 2 or 3 m high

so that unworkable site should really UPDATE it's false calculus and just "wannabe" nonworkable principle. Experiment is significantly first then mathematics must comply.

Wiz

sushimoto · « **Reply #93 on:** February 19, 2009, 11:29:00 AM »

yep, the museum must be updated.
... Or renamed to "Museum of Incredible Devices"

They describe the "Capillary wheels" as non working.
But look at the left sidebar of OU.com.
There is an "Incredible Water Motor".

Huhh.

tbird · « **Reply #94 on:** February 19, 2009, 12:49:45 PM »

hi stefan,

i can not believe you missed my numbers twice (reply 7 & 47). did you really read them? and you still say there are no numbers? what more do you want?

tom

wizkycho · « **Reply #95 on:** February 19, 2009, 01:35:50 PM »

Hi all !

anim_3 (the best anim so far)

@tbird

see in picture called WeAreMany. Input pipe stays the same diameter - but there are now four weights in air (can be 100),
therefore pump action must happen and if it does it is faster . the weigths are going down same speed.
but now One weight can be lighter and smaller so bouyancy action will be faster.

weights are "suspended" in air

this is obvious
to Hans and Tbird this is "Check Mate"="Sucction Must Happen"

so Welcome to Brave New Overunity World

Wiz

hartiberlin · « **Reply #96 on:** February 19, 2009, 01:37:14 PM »

Hi Guys,
I worked the last few hours to "pimp" the pump from Igor and added another Valve V4,
so here is my best design so far that should really work.

Regards, Stefan.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #97 on:** February 19, 2009, 01:38:43 PM »

And here the slow version,
step by step where you can see exactly how it works.

Regards, Stefan.

tbird · « **Reply #98 on:** February 19, 2009, 01:58:52 PM »

stefan,

again i see you have avoided me. have you read my post with the numbers yet? even if you think i am full of s**t, please acknowledge. what more do you want?

if i should rewrite my post, i will. if you give me your sizes for the parts you use, i'll reference them.

as you know from my position in the E.L.S.A. thread, i am not a naysayer. i am the first to be happy if something works. this one just can not the way it is given.

TALK TO ME!!

tom

tbird · « **Reply #99 on:** February 19, 2009, 02:00:47 PM »

Quote from: wizkycho on February 19, 2009, 01:35:50 PM

Hi all !

anim_3 (the best anim so far)

@tbird

see in picture called WeAreMany. Input pipe stays the same diameter - but there are now four weights in air (can be 100),
therefore pump action must happen and if it does it is faster . the weigths are going down same speed.
but now One weight can be lighter and smaller so bouyancy action will be faster.

weights are "suspended" in air

this is obvious
to Hans and Tbird this is "Check Mate"="Sucction Must Happen"

so Welcome to Brave New Overunity World

Wiz

hi wiz,

where are your numbers too?

tom

hartiberlin · « **Reply #100 on:** February 19, 2009, 02:17:08 PM »

Quote from: tbird on February 19, 2009, 01:58:52 PM

stefan,

again i see you have avoided me. have you read my post with the numbers yet? even if you think i am full of s**t, please acknowledge. what more do you want?

if i should rewrite my post, i will. if you give me your sizes for the parts you use, i'll reference them.

as you know from my position in the E.L.S.A. thread, i am not a naysayer. i am the first to be happy if something works. this one just can not the way it is given.

TALK TO ME!!

tom

Okay, Tom,
so letÂ´s calculate,
what if the height is 5 Meters from the lower water surface to the top of the pipe ?
The pipe will be 1 cm in diameter.
So how much does the water weight in it ?

This is the only weight the 100 Kg weight must overcome.

tbird · « **Reply #101 on:** February 19, 2009, 02:25:49 PM »

Quote from: hartiberlin on February 19, 2009, 02:17:08 PM

Okay, Tom,
so letÂ´s calculate,
what if the height is 5 Meters from the lower water surafce to the top of the pipe ?
The pipe will be 1 cm^2 in diameter.
So how much does the water weight in it ?

This is the only weight the 100 Kg weight must overcome.

ok, but we still need to know the area of your swimmer. let's use a square so calcs will be easier to see. in use, round would probably be easier to seal.

sushimoto · « **Reply #102 on:** February 19, 2009, 02:27:32 PM »

Hey,

Why not adding a spring to store some of the gravitational energy
in order to support the buoyancy - upward motion?

best, sushi

wizkycho · « **Reply #103 on:** February 19, 2009, 02:39:36 PM »

Quote from: tbird on February 19, 2009, 02:00:47 PM

hi wiz,

where are your numbers too?

tom

my numbers are from -infinity to +infinity and that is range in which this device works.
You haven't given any real numbers or equations because, according to what you tried to explain pumping in any existing todays device is impossible.
You gave false numbers without diaemters, without density, without volumes.

...please can you comment my last animation and picture with Many weights cause I commented your numbers allready three times...
I made this last picture cause you claim that weight and no matter of its ammount "suspended" in air can not make underpreassure and make water go up.
Allso with Your numbers you claimed that diameter of input pipe doesn't matter.
We eventually agreed that diameter counts...so I lefted diameter constant and added 3 more weights and they can now be 3 times lighter (boyancy per each easier) and still be as whole heavier then initiall one and therefore more destin to be able to pump. do you really need drawing with 100 infinitypumps to see wide range in which this works.
would be nice if you would take one picture and make some arrow on it to point where exactly do you see problem in operation.

Wiz

hartiberlin · « **Reply #104 on:** February 19, 2009, 02:41:13 PM »

Quote from: tbird on February 19, 2009, 02:25:49 PM

ok, but we still need to know the area of your swimmer. let's use a square so calcs will be easier to see. in use, round would probably be easier to seal.

Why ?

Okay, the right 1 cm diameter pipe has about 15.7 Liters of water in it.
From Volume= Pi x r^2 x 5 Meter height= 15.7 Liters= 15.7 Kg.

So the weight must only be heavier than 15.7 Kg to suck up the water through the
pipe...
Or do you calculate somehow with the hydrostatic paradoxon ?

I guess this does not apply here.

Did you see my lastest 2 animations ?
There is no water beneath the 100 Kg weight, so it weights just 100 Kg and
this can fully overcome the 15.7 Kg weight of the 5 Meter high 1cm diameter water pipe at the right side.

News:

User Menu

Author Topic: Knitel's InfinityPump (Read 131066 times)

Tito L. Oracion

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

hansvonlieven

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

wizkycho

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

sushimoto

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

tbird

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

wizkycho

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

hartiberlin

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

hartiberlin

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

tbird

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

tbird

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

hartiberlin

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

tbird

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

sushimoto

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

wizkycho

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump

hartiberlin

Re: Knitel's InfinityPump