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Author Topic: Knitel's InfinityPump  (Read 92645 times)

Offline wizkycho

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Knitel's InfinityPump
« on: February 16, 2009, 01:55:05 PM »
Hi all !

green - moveable part (MP)
1 condition : (weight of water)>MP(weight)>(weight of air)

Remmeber MP doesn't have to do action all the way to the top - that way weight of water (allready in upper part of cilinder) is doing pump action even if MP is very low weight.

what do you think !? COP=infinity
free water pump, free electricity - electrolysis, energy independancy ...can even be build underground (not to waste space), Sahara as fertile land possible...
works at night...

take it to production....I give it free

Wiz
Knitel Igor

this is so simple that it just can't work!?! can it ?

QuestionProblem: ...weight is pushing down water
A: weight is only sucking water up... I allow in this setup that air ,(while V2 is open), is entering through V2 at a same time as water comes out.
     (I have not animated air bubbles entering through V2)

P: Only problem that I see in it is, that the air will not lift the weight up. I think it will only move up through V3
A: air can not lift moveable part (MP) water can. MP has lower overall density (pe. stirfoam in metal box - like ship, tanker...) then water. if MP is in tank of water it gets boyancy force   and since there is no preassure from above (V3 is open - no preasure) water can lift the MP .Oil tanker can not float in air - but floats on water it is overall lighter than ammount water it replaced by its space. on the other hand tanker in air weights thousends of tons. MP is stirfoam filled "tanker". Of course when V3 is opened all the remaining air (if there is any) will escape through V3 to the upper part of cilinder.

P: if so then air after few cycles replace all the water needed for boynacy (lift up of MP)
A: then MP should be allowed to completely submerge to bottom and put all the air out before V2 closes.(cilinder tank in this case has flat bottom - not like in anim)

QP:...output water pipe should be connected with input water pipe for better operation...
A: if so than air can not enter through V2 (while opened) - if air is entering V2 then weight of MP is 100% cleared to fall down, If air is not entering boyncy may occur before it is nedded
and MP could stop. MP goes down only in air - and goes up only submerged in water (and no pressure from above - V3 opened).
« Last Edit: February 16, 2009, 05:26:31 PM by wizkycho »

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Knitel's InfinityPump
« on: February 16, 2009, 01:55:05 PM »

Offline Hugo Chavez

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2009, 02:07:01 PM »
I totally don't get it.

Offline wizkycho

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2009, 02:12:36 PM »
I totally don't get it.

what part ?
filling cillinder with water or MP going up ?

wiz

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2009, 02:12:36 PM »
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Offline Koen1

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2009, 02:23:30 PM »
I think it's an interesting idea.

The animated pic shows very clearly how this is supposed to work,
I really don't see what there is "not to get" about this.

Not sure if it really will work, but the idea is clear and quite nice, I think.
Water fills tank, weight floats up, weight is allowed to drop down while
pushing water out the bottom and sucking fresh water in at the top,
cycle repeats... 

Thanks for posting Knitel :)

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Offline Hugo Chavez

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2009, 03:31:59 PM »
I totally don't get it.
I've been thinking about a similar idea, I think, where the falling weight pumps air into a bottom compartment that releases to the weight/compartment which takes it up to the top releasing the air to fall again.  More to the whole idea but that part is similar to this, i think.  How is the air entering your system? where is it going out?  Maybe I'm just looking at it wrong or something.

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Offline Gravitator

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2009, 03:51:00 PM »
Hi wizkycho,

I think this a great idea. Only problem that I see in it is, that the air will not lift the
weight up. I think it will only move up through V3. One solution for this might be that
you lift up little V2 and leave some water at the bottom. And to V3 you add a tube that leads
the water directly to left water at the bottom. This will rise the bottom water and keep the air in
where it should be.


@Hugo Chavez

I think that the water will fall faster out than 100 kg weight moves down and because of this
the air will "bubble" into tank.

br,
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Offline wizkycho

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2009, 05:22:01 PM »

thanks for the input !

i have unswered some questions and possible problems where the anim is (the very first post).
the most interesting part would be not to allow air to accumulate in cilinder and that would be done if bottom of cilinder is flat - then all the air that has entered and was nedded to "release" MP to fall down will be pushed out by MP itself at the very bottom of cilinder. Then V2 is closed.
Will do the new animation tomorrow.

many thanks...don't you think this idea needs to be pushed further although it doesn't allow verticall take off and traveling through space :))) but it does allow
to build surface space station on any planet (but Sun of course):):)


Wiz

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Offline tbird

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2009, 09:49:03 PM »

Offline wizkycho

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2009, 10:25:33 AM »
hi all,

please see reply #59 here  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6660.50;topicseen

tom

again, if you think weight of MP is problem (too small) - (although you two havent even put diamters of in pipe or cilinder in your calculus)
Weight of water in small diameter pipe is smaller then Weight of water in large diameter pipe (same lenght). We have to agree on that that diameter matters ?!? it gives it Volume and then weight.
here is quick solution: again (allready written many times),
 MP doesn't have to go all the way up - this way weight of MP adds up with weight of water already in upper part of cilinder and make suction faster. this can be observed in every days pumping . at the begining pumping is harder cose there is no counter weight (only air) but when water passes the pump there is counterweight and pumping is easier to that extent that if output is lower (lenght and counterweight now bigger) then input pump can even be disconnected and counter weight pumps by itself (agree on that)
This is not situation in my setup that output is lower then input (but cilinder has larger diameter) conterweight of MP (and water) make it work(suction).

so initially weight of MP (in air) must be somewhat heavier than weight of water in input pipe since MP is not bellow surface of pumping water allso.
allso must be understood that water is initially allready in input pipe to the top - that is easily achieved.

InfinityPump has wide range in wich it still works by itself. so one should really mess up big time with calculus and/or mechanism if it doesn't work.

Wiz

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
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Offline jadaro2600

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2009, 11:54:57 AM »
It's all just utterly brilliant.

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2009, 12:13:27 PM »
Hi every one

its brilliant!

Let say this thing is working, where can we use this one?  ;D



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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2009, 12:34:56 PM »
i mean, how can we use it?


i think it cannot push itself up it should have other weigth to push it up.



sorry it cannot work, tried it already.  :(



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Offline wizkycho

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2009, 02:04:41 PM »
i mean, how can we use it?


i think it cannot push itself up it should have other weigth to push it up.



sorry it cannot work, tried it already.  :(



otits

...boyancy lifts it up...

if Floater(Weight) occupies 100dm3 of space but weighs(in air) only 99Kg then it is lighter then water and will have constant force up . If there is no presssure
on floater from above and there is none cause Valve 3 is opened resultant force is boyant force that lifts that floater up.

when it lifts up you have 99Kg but now in Air (cause bottom valve is opened) and this 99Kg is sucking up water from input pipe

wiz


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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2009, 03:31:37 PM »
Hi Knitel,
Super great idea, this design should really work !
Congratulations.
Maybe you can still post again an animation that runs slower, so that one can see it more slowly.

Who is going to build this and try it ?
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2009, 03:46:13 PM »
Hmm, what about valve V2 ?
Will the water really run out, when it is opened or does the external air pressure prevent this ?

 

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