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Author Topic: Knitel's InfinityPump  (Read 91446 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2009, 09:18:49 PM »
Broli, I've done a few hydraulic experiments in my time. And I've pointed this forum to analyses that explain exactly why these devices cannot work. Nobody has refuted the analyses. Nobody has constructed one of these devices that works, even though they are pretty simple. Everybody who has done an experiment in these directions discovers that they were mistaken.
The unescapable conclusion is that these devices cannot work and the people who think they can, are mistaken, and the people who reject conventional explanations of why they cannot work, like you, without providing actual refutations, are just flaming.

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2009, 09:18:49 PM »

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #76 on: February 18, 2009, 09:30:42 PM »
Well said TK,

I am a mechanical engineer with over 40 years in the field. During my career I have moved liquids in any which way with dozens of different devices. Ever since I studied the subject I have not seen one instance where actual observation and field data varied from the textbooks.

I don't know of any engineer either who has observed variance from the textbook explanations.

Engineers are not bound by the rules of academia and by having to defend everything textbooks say, engineers use what works, textbooks are only a guide to us.

However the rules of nature cannot be overruled by fancy postulates or wishful thinking. In the case of hydraulics the textbooks describe exceedingly well what nature presents us with. Study them.

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #77 on: February 18, 2009, 09:36:54 PM »
Hi Stefan,
are you willing to spend some of the "overunity prize" in order to build it?
This is just my humble question if you are so confident with it.
The concept does not seem to be too hard to build by a professional craftsman.
.... At least as an imperfect proof of concept.

My contribution offer is to deliver professional blueprints and 3D drawings if it helps.
But as lazy as i am, i dont want to calculate dimensions.
So please put some numbers on it.

 8)

regards,
sushi

PS. At this point, I get tired beetwen all the "Religion" and "Science" here.
Lots of people simply dont see the "open Valve" text and just steering at the pixel of always closed valves.
At least, a better animation should take place.

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #77 on: February 18, 2009, 09:36:54 PM »
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Offline broli

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #78 on: February 18, 2009, 10:21:07 PM »
Tk,Hans...It can take a toddler to point out something that you would not have noticed in 1.000 years.

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #79 on: February 18, 2009, 11:00:25 PM »
Not in something as fundamental as this in science. For over 2000 years the best engineers and scientists have researched hydraulics. There is no chance they would have overlooked something as simple as this.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #79 on: February 18, 2009, 11:00:25 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #80 on: February 19, 2009, 12:12:46 AM »
Tk,Hans...It can take a toddler to point out something that you would not have noticed in 1.000 years.

How is this device fundamentally different from the Sinclair Siphon, and what is wrong with the analysis given here? Please be specific, and I don't mind if you have a toddler do it. JUST DO IT.
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm#sinclair
Give some experimental data that supports the contention. Point out exactly where the flaws are in Simanek's analysis of self-driving pumps like this one, and buoyancy devices in general.
And we won't even mention that fundamental physical laws, which have NEVER been shown to be wrong, prohibit the functioning of these devices. Will we. Because that toddler probably hasn't thought that far ahead, yet.

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #81 on: February 19, 2009, 12:18:50 AM »
TK. I will not waste any more time or breath on your closed mind. The fact you approach everything skeptically shows you do not belong on this forum. "I did X and found Y instead of Z...thus I declare Z impossible". No it just means that's as far as you're willing to take it. If you can't do it leave it to someone else, but by all means stop the crap spreading of your own limitation. We're not here to fight over how we can embarrass physicist with their theories although they will leave no chance to ridicule us. We or me are/am here for the purpose of free abundant energy for the whole world.

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #81 on: February 19, 2009, 12:18:50 AM »
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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #82 on: February 19, 2009, 03:21:43 AM »
This thread has given me ideas... So I just had to pimp it  ;D

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6859.new#new

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #83 on: February 19, 2009, 03:55:58 AM »
The problem is water does not just suck up a tube by itself there is a point of equal to get past water will not just keep getting sucked up...

This is where the problem lies I think.

Defeat the point of equal and you have a winner...

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #83 on: February 19, 2009, 03:55:58 AM »
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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #84 on: February 19, 2009, 04:03:11 AM »
This thread has given me ideas... So I just had to pimp it  ;D

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6859.new#new

I love it!

PIMP MY PUMP, BABY! --- YEAH!!!

LOL!!!  --  ROFL!!

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #85 on: February 19, 2009, 08:07:13 AM »
hi stefan,

your comment

"This way you will have enough "sucking power" to suck
up all the water through V1 through the small pipe ( also helped via the external 1 bar air pressure
of the environment and push-press down the water beneath it."

is not all true.  the air pressure you refer to is on both sides of the water via "swimmer" (in your words).  if it were not, your swimmer would be in water and swim.

tom

Tom,
the 100 Kg or 1000 Kg ( or whatever weight it needs) swimmer is only swimming, when both upper and lower valves are closed and V3 valve is opened.
Then there is no external air pressure happening inside the water cylinder.

If you open up the whole lower cylinder case bottom, sure all the water will just splah out,
so just imagine V2 being much bigger in diameter.
Then the whole weight has no force up anymore ( No more swimming) and pulls down
with all its weights (100 Kg or 1000 Kg ( or whatever weight it needs))
the upper water above it.

I still see no real calculations from the skeptics to show that it does not work...



« Last Edit: February 19, 2009, 01:52:49 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #85 on: February 19, 2009, 08:07:13 AM »
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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #86 on: February 19, 2009, 08:12:44 AM »
How is this device fundamentally different from the Sinclair Siphon, and what is wrong with the analysis given here? Please be specific, and I don't mind if you have a toddler do it. JUST DO IT.
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm#sinclair
Give some experimental data that supports the contention. Point out exactly where the flaws are in Simanek's analysis of self-driving pumps like this one, and buoyancy devices in general.
And we won't even mention that fundamental physical laws, which have NEVER been shown to be wrong, prohibit the functioning of these devices. Will we. Because that toddler probably hasn't thought that far ahead, yet.

This is quite different, as this is only a siphon with different heights and the Sinclair Siphon can not work.

But it is a totally different principle than the Knitel pump.

So please all skeptics let us know your calculations why the Knitel pump can not work
and please don´t try to explain it with other devices...

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #87 on: February 19, 2009, 08:15:42 AM »
Not in something as fundamental as this in science. For over 2000 years the best engineers and scientists have researched hydraulics. There is no chance they would have overlooked something as simple as this.

Hans von Lieven

Hans, I am  still missing your calculation, why you think it will not work ?

Maybe we should now put some numers to it and calculate it on an expample ?

So with what size should we start ?

Just lets have some numbers please...

P.S: Before I will put any money into this, I really want to see some calculations pleeeeeeease.

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #88 on: February 19, 2009, 08:43:50 AM »
OK Stefan,

I will try to do just that. Give me a day or so, because I will have to teach the fundamentals of fluid mechanics to a group of people who evidently don't understand the first thing about it. I will start with the hydrostatic paradox and then lead into the specific case here and prove why it cannot work.

I'll start finishing the drawings now.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Knitel's InfinityPump
« Reply #89 on: February 19, 2009, 09:03:08 AM »
Okay, I just looked it up again,
had to refresh my memory:

With 1 bar normal air pressure you can lift water 10 Meters up.
So in our case when the 100 Kg swimmer weight is at the top of the cylinder,
the right pipe can be maximum 10 Meters above the lower bassin water level.m
So we have 10 Meters to play with the height parameters.

 

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