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Title: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: hartiberlin on February 09, 2009, 01:11:13 AM
Have a look at this new exellent video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIp9XwtTpPc


He probably did not show yet the selflooping
as he is applying for a patent.

Greg Watson would be proud of him! :) ;D

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: pese on February 09, 2009, 02:31:14 AM
Have a look at this new exellent video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIp9XwtTpPc


He probably did not show yet the selflooping
as he is applying for a patent.

Greg Watson would be proud of him! :) ;D

Regards, Stefan.

ANY WAY. It will be "stop" an te end of smot.

No ONE - go round amd roeund


GP
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: tagor on February 09, 2009, 09:08:15 AM
Have a look at this new exellent video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIp9XwtTpPc


He probably did not show yet the selflooping
as he is applying for a patent.


Stefan

yes he gets selflooping
but , today , it is not stable
we have to wait for new video

daniel

Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: tagor on February 09, 2009, 09:20:51 AM
ANY WAY. It will be "stop" an te end of smot.

no , you have to look at the HDD demo !!

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No ONE - go round amd roeund


you can look at this thread :

http://www.econologie.com/forums/des-news-fraiches-de-padawan-vt7040-30.html

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Posté le: Sam Fév 07, 2009 19:38:15    Sujet du message: Fernand Réno   

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si c'est possible ? pour l'instant
la physique te dira NON !
Mais l'univers quantique de la physique ou la recherche d'un nouvouveau matériau permettra peut être un jour un semblant de perpétuel qui ne durera que le temps de saturation du mobile ou
de sa magnétisation....!!!!
combien de temps = fernand Réno t'aurait bien répondu !!
un certain temps.....
The END
A+


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oui effectivement avec ma rampe flash je ne pense pas bouclé
c'est seulement un chercheur qui m'a parlé d'un matériau
et j'en ai fait l'essai sur ma rampe (film du début de ma video)
ensuite je l'ai enlevé car j'ai trouvé l'idée géniale mais que j'exploiterai dans un autre proto. en fait la bille a bien passée le piège d'ailleurs on voit un des aimants rectangulaire qui a bougé à son passage mais la bille ne fut pas stoppée le matériau a bien bouclé le champ mais en le réduisant de moitié en bout de course (je l'ai arrêté volontairement )!!! génial non !? c'est là que PRESQUE tout devient possible mais il faut encore travailler avec une combinaison "matériaux +aimants" car la bille ne franchit pas les 90% du parcours !!quoique c'est honorable!
il faut penser que la science nous doit encore des réponses!
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: sushimoto on February 09, 2009, 10:28:11 AM
ANY WAY. It will be "stop" an te end of smot.

No ONE - go round amd roeund


GP


Hi Pese,
have you noticed the "stopper magnets" at the end of his loop?
He seems to have them placed in order to brake it down.
But why?

best,
sushimoto
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: spinner on February 09, 2009, 01:06:07 PM
Have a look at this new exellent video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIp9XwtTpPc

He probably did not show yet the selflooping
as he is applying for a patent.

Greg Watson would be proud of him! :) ;D

Regards, Stefan.
Nice presentation. However, it shows a severe misunderstanding of the "energy loop" principle...

A hand is inputting the starting energy...

And, the loop is not closed....

It's interesting to see how the basic energy principles are getting abused over the years....
That's pathetic. The patent procedure is a shame... Otherwise we would not have so many worthless "achievements" through out the years/decades/centuries....
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: pese on February 09, 2009, 01:17:48 PM
Hi Pese,
have you noticed the "stopper magnets" at the end of his loop?
He seems to have them placed in order to brake it down.
But why?

best,
sushimoto


jes, but its not special stopper magnet  (an piece of rubber, make an better job- 
BUT in all smoth. and magnet wheels . (even "erfinder´s" wheel IT STOP on the latest (and stonges flux) magnet field - and is not enougt power behind the speed of moving part(s) to go over-limiting this "passage" to
do the next cycle - to "win" this way an selflooping device

(Bessler tried that - without magnet)- but te pricipe of working - that we look for - is the same
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: tagor on February 09, 2009, 02:38:52 PM
Nice presentation. However, it shows a severe misunderstanding of the "energy loop" principle...

sorry , but you have misunderstood the goal of this video !!

daniel


EDIT :
perhaps you does not look at the french link ? ...
if you looks at the comments of padawan you could understand better
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 10, 2009, 08:57:49 AM
I have to agree that he is imparting energy into the system by pushing the sphere into the field.  I also believe that he has placed the stopper magnet in that position, far enough away from the start point to allow us to think it was on purpose.  It was not. (again, in my opinion)  He could have placed it right next to where he started the cycle but, it would not progress past this point.  I hope he or someone proves me wrong on this, but I don't think so.

Respectfully,

Bill
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: tagor on February 10, 2009, 09:44:02 AM
He could have placed it right next to where he started the cycle but, it would not progress past this point. 


sorry Bill , he pasts this point , you have to look at the french to understand what he is doing

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I hope he or someone proves me wrong on this, but I don't think so.


i have nothing to prove , you have to wait for the next video

regards
daniel


PS : sorry I can not translate all the padawan s comments
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: konduct on February 10, 2009, 10:07:28 AM

sorry Bill , he pasts this point , you have to look at the french to understand what he is doing

i have nothing to prove , you have to wait for the next video

regards
daniel


PS : sorry I can not translate all the padawan s comments



Well...I can translate comments and this was translated from the french forum link...

"

Now, if we loose before the start of the ramp, will be strongly attracted by magnets aligned.
Good acceleration and kinetic energy as it rolls by adhering to the ramp, it will go to the end of the ramp, but may go back until the middle of all ramp which is considered overall a magnet.

That is why in the video, there are magnets on the end, so that the ball remains on the end of the ramp and does not come back in the middle ...

From there, continue to do so and leave the system is the quest of this search for the Grail surunitaire."
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: sushimoto on February 10, 2009, 10:09:46 AM
<SNIP>

PS : sorry I can not translate all the padawan s comments


Hi daniel,

you dont need to translate all.
But maybe you could give us a short resume?
French is not such a universal language and online translators cannot follow a thread...

Thanks,
sushimoto
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: konduct on February 10, 2009, 10:11:51 AM
And this was posted by Padwan himself ...

 "Becareful ALL ...... But I never talked about perpetual motion .... for now! I will speak the time on another manip always magnets"
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: tagor on February 10, 2009, 10:19:57 AM
And this was posted by Padwan himself ...

 "Becareful ALL ...... But I never talked about perpetual motion .... for now! I will speak the time on another manip always magnets"





yes it is not so easy but you have to look at this


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Well...I can translate comments and this was translated from the french forum link...

can you translate this important part ?

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mille excuses GEGYX
j'avais mal lu !
oui effectivement avec ma rampe flash je ne pense pas bouclé
c'est seulement un chercheur qui m'a parlé d'un matériau
et j'en ai fait l'essai sur ma rampe (film du début de ma video)
ensuite je l'ai enlevé car j'ai trouvé l'idée géniale mais que j'exploiterai dans un autre proto. en fait la bille a bien passée le piège d'ailleurs on voit un des aimants rectangulaire qui a bougé à son passage mais la bille ne fut pas stoppée le matériau a bien bouclé le champ mais en le réduisant de moitié en bout de course (je l'ai arrêté volontairement )!!! génial non !? c'est là que PRESQUE tout devient possible mais il faut encore travailler avec une combinaison "matériaux +aimants" car la bille ne franchit pas les 90% du parcours !!quoique c'est honorable!
il faut penser que la science nous doit encore des réponses!
on ne sait jamais !
tu dois connaitre:
Des chercheurs qui cherchent , on en trouve !
Mais des chercheurs qui trouvent , on en cherche !
A+ bon courage
_________________
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: konduct on February 10, 2009, 10:22:49 AM
might as well post the rest of Padwan's comments since I'm translating them...

   
"Bravo for your insight!
actually there is 1 job for me that my ramp and acceleration works to perfection because I was too confident in my simulation software and "crack" I realize that this is not reality when I experiment? ?
So yes we can vary the speed with permanent magnets using a configuration hyper accurate (to + or - 1mm of Pecis) yes it is very accurate! is not it!
with regard to close the ramp waiting to see the spiral ramp and steps on my Flash Ball Magnet "
I will explain something that old to me by researchers saw my pad .... it's very interesting! but
A + patience
The materials do not all have proved their ability! c all that I can say!
well you
A +"

"   
Bravo Gregyx
You have included 1 / 4 of the song as you say!
this principle is actually adopted, but the scope of this small accelerator with HDD is just the beginning then to realize my ramp because flash ... there! there is a combination of several types of magnet to be sure the ball at any point in the circuit will undergo a gradient of increasing magnetic field ^ and attention I used magnets Cube 5 * 5mm for basic accelerator therefore easier for combine faces (remember the famous montage Halback) there are several
way to end a "RubiCube "!!!.... I told you that we could grow and decrease the field in the ramp.
actually it is not extraordinary model hard disk!
although with my combination is selected as one of the ideas
to patent.
For your old dream of all taken to cross the "wall of eternal" then it must reflect the intrinsic property of materials, because a magnetic field MUST ALWAYS closes .... it is a law of physics of these materials but!
think about the materials that we shall not be combined at the moment (the Galodonium (fridge magnet), new rare earth materials ....!)
Me at the moment trying several things and notes slowly and then my progress even though the ball was round, it will surely after several days or months or the ball will change gradually demagnetize or spins of the miracle material "that will allow the famous passage of the" holy grail! "
Go for the moment remain in the feasible
iNova but always a little more!
in fact I do not know if all you see in the beginning of the video I show my ramp flash (live just after the title)
nobody noticed a detail on what I said about the famous materials look good or the ball lands !!!!????
it does not go beyond the famous trap and stop net ????!!!! hihi!
A +"

"Gregyx Bravo!
I'm sure you could find the system, but don 't forget
not control?
What is your feeling about the passing of the ball beyond the magnetic trap?
The helical ramp prochane is harder than we think ...
I am looking for a simulation software for magnetic Lab
may not materialize my system "too complicated"? t say it?
Bravo looking! Pfff!!
Finally, if you know of a Freeware 3D!
A +"

   
hello!
yes I have already conducted tests on a roll! çà marche mais
it's just good for the patent.
My preoccupation is to play with the materials!
For the spiral I've said that it was only a starting point ...
A +

   
miles GEGYX apology
I misread!
yes indeed my flash ramp I do not think bouclé
Only a researcher who told me about a material
and I have tried this on my ramp (movie from the beginning of my video)
Then I removed because I found the idea but I operate in another proto. in fact the ball has passed the trap also shows a rectangular magnet has moved to its passage, but the ball was not stopped the material has completed the field but in reducing it by half at the end of course (I 've stopped voluntarily)! génial non? this is that almost anything is possible but more work was needed with a combination "materials + magnets" because the ball does not pass the 90% of the trip! although it is honorable!
he must think that science has yet answers!
you never know!
you must know:
Researchers who seek, there are!
But researchers found, it is looking!
A + good luck

if possible? for now
physics will tell you NO!
But the universe of quantum physics or the search for a nouvouveau material will be one day a semblance of Perpetual, which should take the time to saturation of mobile or
its magnetization ....!!!!
how long fernand = Réno t'aurait answered!
some time .....
The END
A +
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: tagor on February 10, 2009, 10:52:24 AM
might as well post the rest of Padwan's comments since I'm translating them...


...

The END
A +


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Then I removed because I found the idea but I operate in another proto. in fact the ball has passed the trap also shows a rectangular magnet has moved to its passage, but the ball was not stopped the material has completed the field but in reducing it by half at the end of course (I 've stopped voluntarily)! génial non?


for me this is important to understand this part


<<then I removed because I found the idea >> GENIAL  = BRILLANT

<<in fact the ball has passed the trap >>

<<I 've stopped voluntarily>>

in fact ; I have stop the ball voluntary

... as he is applying for a patent.

... and you have to wait for the next video
 
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: ChileanOne on February 10, 2009, 01:45:37 PM
Have a look at this new exellent video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIp9XwtTpPc


He probably did not show yet the selflooping
as he is applying for a patent.

Greg Watson would be proud of him! :) ;D

Regards, Stefan.

Very nice and really precise work! Thanks for bringing this to our attention Stefan!

Perhaps the last two seconds are the most important, and I'd bet that Hans Von Lieven will be really interested in the concept. The Helicoidal path is surely going to cause more than a surprise because it can "extract" a lot of energy from the "pseudo forces".
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: TinselKoala on February 10, 2009, 06:41:54 PM
So the answer to the question "Looping SMOT ramp?" is still NO, then.
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: tagor on February 10, 2009, 07:00:06 PM
So the answer to the question "Looping SMOT ramp?" is still NO, then.

yes it is still NO ... you have to wait ...
not for years ... I think
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: hansvonlieven on February 10, 2009, 11:33:08 PM
Very nice and really precise work! Thanks for bringing this to our attention Stefan!

Perhaps the last two seconds are the most important, and I'd bet that Hans Von Lieven will be really interested in the concept. The Helicoidal path is surely going to cause more than a surprise because it can "extract" a lot of energy from the "pseudo forces".

You are right Chilean, I AM really interested in this.  ;D

It appears to me that by choosing a helicoidal path he is attempting to create some sort of vortex. There could indeed be some surprises there. I have not heard of anyone trying this.

I wish Padawan well. He seems to be very methodical, meticulous and imaginative in his research and appears to be well funded by the look of it. Altogether a pleasure to see.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: ChileanOne on February 10, 2009, 11:48:45 PM
You are right Chilean, I AM really interested in this.  ;D

It appears to me that by choosing a helicoidal path he is attempting to create some sort of vortex. There could indeed be some surprises there. I have not heard of anyone trying this.

I wish Padawan well. He seems to be very methodical, meticulous and imaginative in his research and appears to be well funded by the look of it. Altogether a pleasure to see.

Hans von Lieven


I  Knew it!!!!

LOL

I don't know if you have advanced in the experiments with the "decoupling" of the systems of reference, but I have been doing some thimking and tinkering and I have the suspicion that if you raise the ball in a vorticall path with, it "takes less energy" than rising it just at the same height but in a straight line. I have some fuzzy experimental evidence of that, too.

Now, combining  it with a smot, hmmm. Hmmmmmmmm..

;)
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: hansvonlieven on February 11, 2009, 12:52:29 AM
Great minds think alike  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hans
Title: Re: Looping SMOT ramp ?
Post by: spinner on February 12, 2009, 12:22:49 PM
The "SMOT" basic principle is >350 years old.
Nowadays, the complete energy transactions can be measured. (although the theoretical part is more simple. ;D...)

No constant "self looping", no OU...  In fact, it's a very inefficient setup.

If one would measure all the energy exchanges correctly, it would be obvious...

Cheers!