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Offline onepower

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8760 on: August 07, 2020, 04:35:56 PM »
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For your informations atheists dont exists, but you need brain to conclude that.
You believe in God, but you never saw him in person.
Scientists believe in Corona virus, but they never saw it in person or been in same room with virus.
In both cases you have believers.

Ah, the tu quoque or appeal to hypocrisy fallacy, well played.
Below is a picture of the Corona virus taken by scientists, found here with many others https://www.cdc.gov/media/subtopic/images.htm, so in fact they have seen it.

As well, an Atheist is a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of gods. Many theists like to peddle the hypocrisy fallacy by claiming Atheism is also a belief like theism however it is not, it is a lack of belief therefore we do exist, lol.

However I get it and when one lives in an imaginary world where beliefs dictate reality and not facts it would be hard to imagine not having beliefs. Not unlike how a long term alcoholic might find it hard imagining what being sober feels like. They become trapped in abnormal habitual behavior to the extent that they have no comprehension of what normal or reality looks like. As such we should be very careful about what we believe and why... we should question everything.

In my opinion this is part of the reason why many like myself can understand FE because we are willing to accept the natural world and the facts we know for what they are in reality. I simply have no need for beliefs or imaginary things and it's enough to understand the natural world as it is. I would suggest spending more time outdoors away from other people to cleanse your mind. Many become so immersed in society with all it's false beliefs, more so in highly populated area's, that they quite literally have no sense of what normal or nature is.

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Tito can come back when ever he wants.
Problem was that he pull around members for 10 years,
while he was creating his own religion and church here.

Just like the good old days when the church sent it's missionaries out to every corner of the Earth to "spread the word". However when conversion didn't work the soldiers were often sent in to convert them by force. I like how Tito always integrates theism with FE, as if to say all you have to do is believe in god and FE could be yours. The missionaries used the same techniques to bait others into believing and once people were converted they would convert there family and friends. It's a remarkable system of mind control because it's so subtle and few question it... we should question everything.

I once read an article written by a former priest who claimed they had quota's on how many new people they needed to convert just like Amway. The more people they converted and the more money they brought in the faster they moved up the ladder like a pyramid scheme. As such theism/organized religion may be the oldest pyramid scheme in history with a net worth in trillions of dollars partly due to there wonderful tax free status. Imagine a multi-trillion dollar business/pyramid scheme which pays no tax, provides no tangible goods or services and there customers feel morally compelled to convert others into more customers... fascinating stuff.

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« Reply #8760 on: August 07, 2020, 04:35:56 PM »

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« Reply #8761 on: August 07, 2020, 07:10:30 PM »
There are also many paintigs of God.
So, if I show you painting with God on it, you imediatelly know that He exists?
But only few claimed that they saw Him. Prophets.

To see virus on picture is not the same as work with it.
Only small number of scientists are actually working with Corona virus.
And there are many kinds of scientists. Not all of them are working with viruses.

You are scientist too. Otherwise, you would not be here on this forum.
Did you saw Corona virus in person? Or been in same room with virus?

So, you can only believe what others tell you about that virus.

Believe is key word here.

Scientists believe what other scientists or persons tell them, or not.
But they believe just as religious man believe in God.

At the end everyone believe in something.
Everyone.


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« Reply #8762 on: August 07, 2020, 07:59:27 PM »


 I like how Tito always integrates theism with FE, as if to say all you have to do is believe in god and FE could be yours.



Do you also like how religious people cut heads of journalist.?
Or how they teach kids to carry machine gun and kill they neighbours.?
Or how religious man in middle ages burned people on stake?

Everything in the name of God.

They also integrate theism with their lives.

Why scientists does not do that horrors?

So, you can believe in Tito as much as you want.
He integrated theism in his life, and do not want to help the world with his FE,
and you like that?


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« Reply #8763 on: August 07, 2020, 10:00:19 PM »
onepower,

Yeah, brainwashed as in indoctrinated into a ludicrous set of beliefs. Let us first agree in what God means. God is a universal symbol for the Limitlessness essentially, don't you agree? The different religions of the world which were brought about by great civilizations simply express this idea symbolically using stories. Not all of them told it in human and mythical stories, some of them actually wrote directly about the metaphyics. But Religion as well as language are imperfect, they are imperfect symbols which connect to some idea. Since God is a symbol of the unknown we have no choice but to tell it and reduce it in terms of known, easy objects. For instance, the movies the Matrix, Interstellar, Avatar etc.. are founded in subtler wisdom traditions which are boring or incomprehinslbe or insane if expressed directly. God is simply the Universe , manifest or unmanifest. You have to realize your tiny, limited, and impotent nature in this existence. The stories and myths about God are only palpable descriptions of this same reality that scientist are trying to dissect. Modern scientists too have imaginary friends(symbols) and angels; the photon particles, protons and electrons, quarks. Black hole? Haha the hindu God Krisna literally means black. Big bang theory, like what the heck is that? I mean there are cosmologies in the ancient world way more advanced than that and congruent. All symbolic language has its imperfection but it doesn't mean its wrong, we have to recognize the the fundamental effort which is to understand. What is proof to you? Proof is imperfect, it can be misinterpreted, your assumptions decide what kind of proof you require. And yes WhatIsIt mentioned it but basically most atheits are not really atheists, they always believe in something. They believe anything "science" sayd, scientists are priests today although nobody knows something that deeply. Although i suspect the inventions of the world came about from some type of mystical insights into the universe. Tesla's fascination with the esoteric and i read today that Da Vinci for instance was deeply interested in "proportion", which is the Logos or the Word that Jesus uniquely represented. A divine proportion or a balance between soul and spirit.

 

WhatIsIt,

I have very little knowledge in electricity and magnetism and FE but i really believe it is possible. And some experts here seem to believe that there is merit in what Tito is saying.

Yeah, atheism cannot exist. It's simply impossible. Most atheists are just angry and resentful about the injustices(personal otherwise) their past religion seems to be causing.


onepower,

Who exactly is not living in an imaginary world? What is your clear criteria for dividing the real and the unreal? Are you sure that criteria is true and not indoctrinated?
Yes, people seem to be religious or atheists to escape a certain confusion or pain like an addict. The higher way is understanding and transcendence. This is different from escape in the fact that you are not running away from anything, you are actually getting close to yourself, and to the source of your hurt. This central theme runs through all religion. 

You may not need "imaginary friends" as you call them but your mind is undeniably full of imaginations or creations, its simply a necessity. You need balance and a higher state of mind in your life wherever you may be now, and the religions merely echoed this message for the masses. Yeah, i totally agree about the benefits of the "hermit lifestyle", there is no distraction and your attention will become more subtler. This sort of the reason why people who live in the jungle have more keen senses and how sometimes deaf/blind/slow people tend to be prodigies in some field.


Religious dogma the behaviours of missionaries or how people exploited religion, is separate from the general message. All in all, ideas about God have probably benefited mankind out of our dark selfish energies. Religion was a natural development of societal awareness.

I will learn how to quote later but someone said this:  I like how Tito always integrates theism with FE, as if to say all you have to do is believe in god and FE could be yours.

Actually, Tito is exactly right, FE requires a subtler understanding of our physical reality which is connected to the spiritual. The foundation of all of these is God. I am slightly familiar with Walter Russell, Itzhak Bentov, Jacob Boeme etc.. and these people have actually perceived the world in different ways as did tesla. They understood the aether and other subtler bodies. This is not a new thing but it requires some sort of perfected consciousness. James clerk maxwell who was kind of pivotal was also a deeply religious person.


Do you also like how religious people cut heads of journalist.?
Or how they teach kids to carry machine gun and kill they neighbours.?
Or how religious man in middle ages burned people on stake?

Yes, these are all collateral damage by imperfect people and society. Attachement to belief is not unique to religion actually. False ego is the root of all that you mentioned.


Why scientists don't murder people? First of all, this is wrong. Christians today don't murder people, normally. Christians are much more genial and loving usually, you seem to ignore this fact. Chrisitans are more peaceful and athiestic countries seem to be filled with serial killers, murder, crime cause there is no consequence. Christians lashout at some intolerable extremity but that usually is because many chrisitans are not sincere and they get attached to wrong doctrines of hate/division. Scientists today may be attached to their theories and actually murder whole generations by stopping progress and this is what seems to be happening nowadays.


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8764 on: August 07, 2020, 10:40:04 PM »
Why do you claim that all scientists are christians?
Only christians are scientists?

I said that scientists does not cut heads of journalists.
I did not mention christians.

But then again who made atomic bomb?

You wrote lots of things. Mostly true.

And Tito is right. He does not share his FE. Lots of people die from hunger and they become spirits and that is Titos connection to spirituality.
Thats true.

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« Reply #8765 on: August 07, 2020, 11:13:24 PM »
I didn't really claim that. It might just be my biased experience but from what i have seen and read, most scientists of the past weren't driven by "There is No God" sentiments. They were inspired by the mysterious workings of Nature. They were in love with God and trying to get closer. They knew that God referred to the infinite & divine universe. The reactionary hatred/contempt of atheists towards Christians is not directed at the central themes but other tangents & dogma. And dogma is not unique to religion.. its just a phenomenon when something stultifies or forgotten. For instance, Tesla said the following:

"Buddhism and Christianity are the greatest religions both in number of disciples and in importance."

Now both religions may have their dogmas but their beneficial central teachings are undeniable.

Alright i was trying to make a point since most people accuse religion of being just about war and destruction. The lower parts of my previous message was a response for both onepower and you.

Yeap, atomic bomb. And the education system nowadays seems like a pyramid scheme but we are not blaming eduction.

If Tito has discovered FE it will be revealed in time. There is a reason people don't share it, Tesla probably worked it all out among other people. Check this quote from tesla:

"Perhaps the most valuable application of wireless energy will be the propulsion of flying machines, which will carry no fuel and will be free from any limitations of the present airplanes and dirigibles.  We shall ride from New York to Europe in a few hours.  International boundaries will be largely obliterated and a great step will be made toward the unification and harmonious existence of the various races inhabiting the globe.  Wireless will not only make possible the supply of energy to region, however inaccessible, but it will be effective politically by harmonizing international interests; it will create understanding instead of differences."

Makes me wonder about the flying saucers. Tesla never wrote his "rational" & "complete" theories about energy and matter.  :(

EDIT: http://www.gongoff.com/nikola-tesla/who-is-god-nikola-tesla-explains

JOURNALIST: You said that I am, like all creatures, the light. This flatters me, but I admit I do not understand quite well.

TESLA: Why should you understand, Mr. Smith? Just believe it. Everything is light. In one of its ray is the fate of nations, each nation has its own ray in the great source of light which we see as the sun. And remember: no one, who had existed, is dead. They transformed into the light, and so still exist. The secret lies in the fact that the light particles restore their original state.

JOURNALIST: This is the resurrection!

TESLA: I prefer to call it: return to the previous energy. Christ and some others knew the secret. I did some research how to preserve human energy. It is a form of light, sometimes equal to the heavenly light. I have not done the research for myself, but for the good of all. I believe that my discoveries will make life easier and more bearable to people, and direct them to spirituality and morality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpAFVV-WxrM


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8766 on: August 08, 2020, 08:19:58 AM »
Whatisit
Obviously I have touched a nerve and ruffled some feathers however my intent was not to attack any given person or belief more so to point out the flaws in our reasoning. For example...

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There are also many paintigs of God.
So, if I show you painting with God on it, you imediatelly know that He exists?
But only few claimed that they saw Him. Prophets.

So if there were many paintings of bigfoot riding a unicorn but only supposed prophets claimed to see them would you know they exist?. Well no that is completely absurd yet that is what you would have me believe. This is a false cause fallacy in presuming there is a relationship between a painting of something, an unrelated false claim by supposed prophets and the true reality of the situation.

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To see virus on picture is not the same as work with it.
Only small number of scientists are actually working with Corona virus.
And there are many kinds of scientists. Not all of them are working with viruses.
You are scientist too. Otherwise, you would not be here on this forum.
Did you saw Corona virus in person? Or been in same room with virus?

Your using the special pleading fallacy and trying to move the goal posts. First you said "Scientists believe in Corona virus, but they never saw it in person or been in same room with virus" and I showed you a picture the scientists took of the virus. Now your saying a picture is not enough and they have to work with it. Next I imagine a picture and working with it is not enough and the the scientists would actually have to be infected, lol. Then you became so desperate you actually implied I would have to be in the same room and see it for myself. Exactly how far do you intend to move the goal posts?... Uranus?.

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So, you can only believe what others tell you about that virus.
Believe is key word here.

I like to think of it this way, 19,266,406 infected people growing by 279,000 per day and 718,530 dead can't be wrong can they?. I also know some people who were infected with Covid ... or I could believe your weak and almost unintelligible arguments. Not much of a choice is it?.

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Scientists believe what other scientists or persons tell them, or not.
But they believe just as religious man believe in God.

So your suggesting that a scientist with decades of first hand experience believing what another scientist with decades of first hand experience said and proved with facts is similar to joe blow on the corner saying he believes he has an imaginary friend?... got it.

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At the end everyone believe in something.
Everyone.

Nice conclusion, however your using the bandwagon fallacy incorrectly. Your supposed to imply because more people believe something it must be more true but somehow you managed to screw that up, kudos. To be honest, I believe you believe because your line of reasoning and justification is like nothing I have ever seen my friend. You are off the charts...

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« Reply #8767 on: August 08, 2020, 08:50:41 AM »
If you did not see something with your own eyes, or touch it,
you have to believe others what they serve to you about it.
What ever that is.

Is this simple enough for your intelect?

And key word here is believe.

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« Reply #8768 on: August 08, 2020, 06:11:57 PM »
So your suggesting that a scientist with decades of first hand experience believing what another scientist with decades of first hand experience said and proved with facts is similar to joe blow on the corner saying he believes he has an imaginary friend?... got it.

Nice conclusion, however your using the bandwagon fallacy incorrectly. Your supposed to imply because more people believe something it must be more true but somehow you managed to screw that up, kudos. To be honest, I believe you believe because your line of reasoning and justification is like nothing I have ever seen my friend. You are off the charts...


The scientific community along with the receivers can rot into idea echo chambers highly disconnect from reality. Decades of firsthand experience is kinda irrelevant. "First hand experience" is not a good criteria to separate the weed from the wheat. It is understandable that many people are busy trying to live that they can't be true scientists(judges), as it's difficult for religious people to become true theologicians. Imaginary friend is a gross misrepresentation. We can basically call every concept human beings have come up with an "imaginary friend". I mean materiailisic science nowadays is filled with bizarre theories and concoctions trying to explain simple phenomena with its "holy" strictly-physical cosmos dogma. These theories are laughable and yet many people take them to be ultimate reality.

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« Reply #8769 on: August 09, 2020, 06:41:05 PM »
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The scientific community along with the receivers can rot into idea echo chambers highly disconnect from reality. Decades of firsthand experience is kinda irrelevant. "First hand experience" is not a good criteria to separate the weed from the wheat. It is understandable that many people are busy trying to live that they can't be true scientists(judges), as it's difficult for religious people to become true theologicians.

Your simply moving the goal posts again as well as using the appeal to purity fallacy to imply because knowledge, understanding and expertise are difficult to understand they must be irrelevant...really?.

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Imaginary friend is a gross misrepresentation. We can basically call every concept human beings have come up with an "imaginary friend". I mean materiailisic science nowadays is filled with bizarre theories and concoctions trying to explain simple phenomena with its "holy" strictly-physical cosmos dogma. These theories are laughable and yet many people take them to be ultimate reality.

In my opinion your simply kicking the can down the road. First you falsely implied knowledge and expertise are irrelevant and now your implying every human concept is somehow imaginary. Which is simply a strange way of arguing that ignorance is somehow a virtue when we know it's not. In my opinion it's just another logical fallacy because if every concept is imaginary and knowledge and understanding irrelevant the same line of reason must also apply to you and your beliefs. All of your conceptual understanding and supposed knowledge must be irrelevant as well.

Ah, there lies the problem doesn't it?. You would apply a set of rules to judge everyone else but never yourself.

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I mean materiailisic science nowadays is filled with bizarre theories and concoctions trying to explain simple phenomena with its "holy" strictly-physical cosmos dogma. These theories are laughable and yet many people take them to be ultimate reality.

I believe you may have just proven my point better than I could. Let's replace a few of your words and see what happens...

"I mean "religion" nowadays is filled with bizarre theories and concoctions trying to explain simple phenomena with its "holy" strictly "non-physical" cosmos dogma. These theories are laughable and yet many people take them to be ultimate reality."

It would seem to me your subconscious mind may know something you are not willing to admit to yourself. Why use the terminology of religion to falsely judge science which is simply the study of natural phenomena?. This is a common theme in theism, to accuse others of the thing we are because we cannot accept it, ergo we cannot accept ourselves as we are.

Myself, I'm cool with knowing I'm just another being on this planet drifting towards the constellation Orion in a seemingly infinite universe. I'm not a god superior to everything or everyone nor will I live forever in some imaginary place, my time here is finite. However I'm just a country boy at heart who would rather walk barefoot through the grass than across the marble floors of some mansion or church. Material possessions and beliefs don't impress me much, knowledge and understanding does.

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« Reply #8770 on: August 09, 2020, 07:19:48 PM »
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« Reply #8771 on: August 09, 2020, 07:30:52 PM »
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Your simply moving the goal posts again as well as using the appeal to purity fallacy to imply because knowledge, understanding and expertise are difficult to understand they must be irrelevant...really?.
No, i am not appealing to purity fallacy, don't just ignore my points. I was reminding you that your judgement about today's scientific knowledge requires a leap of faith since there's no universal criteria. There are many ways in which a school of thought can be corrupted. I can argue like you did that the original holisitic non-materialistic science had millenia of first hand experience.

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In my opinion your simply kicking the can down the road. First you falsely implied knowledge and expertise are irrelevant and now your implying every human concept is somehow imaginary. Which is simply a strange way of arguing that ignorance is somehow a virtue when we know it's not. In my opinion it's just another logical fallacy because if every concept is imaginary and knowledge and understanding irrelevant the same line of reason must also apply to you and your beliefs. All of your conceptual understanding and supposed knowledge must be irrelevant as well.

Ah, there lies the problem doesn't it?. You would apply a set of rules to judge everyone else but never yourself.
Ah, man i didn't imply knowledge and expertise are irrelevant, what? And yes concept or to conceive **literally** means to create/imagine some thing in order to represent a pattern in nature. Oh my God, when did i say ignorance is virtue? This fallacy of twisting my points permeates your responses.

No, i fundamentally understand my imaginary conceptions are not Truth. The truth lies one step beyond my thoughts, imagination, conception.. and that is what materialisic science and atheists, and nihilists foolishly fail to see. If people are not indoctrinated this was a very simple first principle but unfortunately this is the zeitegeist nowadays. Pathetic.

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I believe you may have just proven my point better than I could. Let's replace a few of your words and see what happens...

"I mean "religion" nowadays is filled with bizarre theories and concoctions trying to explain simple phenomena with its "holy" strictly "non-physical" cosmos dogma. These theories are laughable and yet many people take them to be ultimate reality."
Yes, this was my point. Both are not perfect, but both have valid points for our existence.

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It would seem to me your subconscious mind may know something you are not willing to admit to yourself. Why use the terminology of religion to falsely judge science which is simply the study of natural phenomena?. This is a common theme in theism, to accuse others of the thing we are because we cannot accept it, ergo we cannot accept ourselves as we are.

Myself, I'm cool with knowing I'm just another being on this planet drifting towards the constellation Orion in a seemingly infinite universe. I'm not a god superior to everything or everyone nor will I live forever in some imaginary place, my time here is finite. However I'm just a country boy at heart who would rather walk barefoot through the grass than across the marble floors of some mansion or church. Material possessions and beliefs don't impress me much, knowledge and understanding does.
Well, yeah i try not to attach myself to bodies of knowledge cause there's more important/fundamental things than knowledge. The emphasis should be upon continous improvement as opposed to "i am only right" stasis. Instead of completely denying the other view and being attached to one's own, its better to really try and understand both viewpoints so that their imperfections can be highlighted and their truths synthesized. Nature requires continous changes of consciousness until there's an equilibrium or else she will wipe you out.

I am simply pointing out that true science and true religion are very complementary and even necessary to each other for growth and progress. Science is not exempt from the human patterns/changes and influences that corrupt religion. This is a common theme in theism? Accusing others? What do you mean?

You should work on the false popular assumption that religion is an escape to imaginary creations.  Religion is simply a distilled poetic body of wisdom regarding the workings of nature and the Absolute. Astronomy btw was very old and was caused by the same religiously inquisitve spirit that eventually changed into dogmatic science. You will not live forever in some "imaginary place", but the matter, energies and spirits that cause you to breath and see will live on for eternity in another form. Well, yes you are not that different from religous people, they are humble and all they want is communion with God which in other words is true understanding.


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P.S what do you think Tesla meant in the following quotes?

"Everything is Light.. Christ and others knew the secret."

"The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence."

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« Reply #8772 on: August 11, 2020, 08:58:43 AM »



It's a real shame that threads like this, have gone so terribly, badly, way off topic!

Such progress could be made if a thread like this was taken seriously! A hint in the correct direction: Standing Wave Mechanics in an Asymmetrical System.

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
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« Reply #8773 on: August 11, 2020, 09:42:07 AM »
Have you tried asking Paul Wallis a fellow countryman of yours?
He recons he has worked it all out

Anyway light is a very narrow spectrum of bandwidth try looking into the RED band
you will see much more the type of night scope used in early Vietnam war days.
with them on you see other stuff, take them off and it's all gone.

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« Reply #8774 on: August 11, 2020, 11:10:34 AM »
Have you tried asking Paul Wallis a fellow countryman of yours?
He recons he has worked it all out

Anyway light is a very narrow spectrum of bandwidth try looking into the RED band
you will see much more the type of night scope used in early Vietnam war days.
with them on you see other stuff, take them off and it's all gone.


Hi AG,

No, I do not know Paul Wallis. If he has worked it out, good on him! He will no doubt know what I am talking about!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

 

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