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« Reply #8535 on: June 02, 2020, 07:25:08 PM »
   But, regardless of personal issues, when I see some one trying to say that they can run their car, and house, on 12v through an inverter circuit, all from an outside antenna as the power source. It makes me laugh,  or cry.
   Lets see it... so much talk, but, so little OU.  You can't light your house from crumbs, or rat traps. If you know what I mean.
       NickZ
If tito really has 'it', I cannot confirm that. I dont think anyone here can confirm that. But if he does, in a way that you describe, then what he said about a single stage just provides a small amount of COP and then you have to run it through consecutive stages to have a final greater cop. So if it is his way then crumbs could turn into a bakery. I like blueberry pie. Have not had any in a long time.

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« Reply #8537 on: June 02, 2020, 09:49:42 PM »
   But, regardless of personal issues, when I see some one trying to say that they can run their car, and house, on 12v through an inverter circuit, all from an outside antenna as the power source. It makes me laugh,  or cry.
   Lets see it... so much talk, but, so little OU.  You can't light your house from crumbs, or rat traps. If you know what I mean.
       NickZ

You have to believe destinations are possible, or otherwise you have to ask yourself why you traverse the road.

I never thought I could do this with 12v using 6 Watts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLlF4R6aUfE

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« Reply #8538 on: June 02, 2020, 11:43:54 PM »
You have to believe destinations are possible, or otherwise you have to ask yourself why you traverse the road.

I never thought I could do this with 12v using 6 Watts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLlF4R6aUfE
What is the actual working wattage of the led bulbs? Can you post a pic of the diff in brightness?Can you charge a cell phone with it? And lastly, could it all be reduced to fit in your pocket?
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« Reply #8539 on: June 03, 2020, 03:00:18 AM »
  Oh, guys I know why I traverse the road, alright. It's not just to charge a cell phone or dimly light some bulbs.
  It's showing nothing more than an ordinary inverter circuit. You can buy them ready made, Tesla coils, boaster circuits, etz...
  But, that's not "energy amplification", not free energy, nor even OU, either. The battery drains, or the grid power goes out, and that's all she wrote. Right?
   Energy amplification, is more than a voltage increase, at the expense of a tiny bit of current.   In the Dally thread we are discussing the Roma device, that outputs 4000w using just a simple oscillator circuit and some coils, no ground line. No you can't put it in your pocket... And you can't buy it on Ebay, as yet.
It does need a battery to connect to, but the output is amazing. At the expense of just what the Tesla coils and oscillator consumes.
That is some OU,   if true.  I wish it were, it would make things so much easier, simpler, and better.
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« Reply #8540 on: June 07, 2020, 07:07:34 PM »
You can see Tito's point a bit here.

I can't tie it neatly with a bow, even if I could run your house with a match box. I will be honest and say, I can't do that yet. However maybe your expectations of people might be skewed thinking people can do that off the bat.

The problem with collaboration, is that once you introduce poop in your pie, it's the only flavor people remember, regardless of the good ingredients and excellent skills you have.

I am sharing what I have, and you can take it or leave it. My video doesn't have OU engineered as a requirement. People think resonance is OU, but it's just an ingredient from what I theorize. If you are just making arbitrary devices and not answering the question how you are amplifying energy, then I think you reduce your chance for any success.

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« Reply #8541 on: June 07, 2020, 09:09:27 PM »
Yeah... Just use a big wire and bypass the power meter. Free. Free free free. Run everything on that.

But, we all know what kind of circuit or device we all hope to achieve..  Self running for starters. There shouldnt be any question as to what 'self running' means.


If for example there is a way to take a small energy input and create a larger energy output, then it should be able to self run once started. Ok, we have say a crystal radio... It uses that small signal from the station to produce enough audio to hear.  So we could capture that. So if Tito has a way to amplify that, then that is what is missing from the tips and all we are left with is not self runner we would like to achieve. What if all the radio stations were shut down for whatever reason? Cant say its not possible.

Not sure today, but back when the phone line used finger wheel dialup, ther was 90v across those red and green wires. You could charge batteries. Ring the phones bell. Well people were doing it and the phone co didnt like it that much. Dont know if the power companies were involved.
What would be nice is if we had the answer to the magnification electrically, we should be able to also translate that to mechanical.  But I have not seen either yet.

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« Reply #8542 on: June 08, 2020, 12:34:21 AM »
Yeah... Just use a big wire and bypass the power meter. Free. Free free free. Run everything on that.

But, we all know what kind of circuit or device we all hope to achieve..  Self running for starters. There shouldnt be any question as to what 'self running' means.


If for example there is a way to take a small energy input and create a larger energy output, then it should be able to self run once started. Ok, we have say a crystal radio... It uses that small signal from the station to produce enough audio to hear.  So we could capture that. So if Tito has a way to amplify that, then that is what is missing from the tips and all we are left with is not self runner we would like to achieve. What if all the radio stations were shut down for whatever reason? Cant say its not possible.

Not sure today, but back when the phone line used finger wheel dialup, ther was 90v across those red and green wires. You could charge batteries. Ring the phones bell. Well people were doing it and the phone co didnt like it that much. Dont know if the power companies were involved.
What would be nice is if we had the answer to the magnification electrically, we should be able to also translate that to mechanical.  But I have not seen either yet.

Mags

I do see your point Mags, but what if you can't achieve the self sustaining energy from a low level, or that natures governors don't permit you to feedback the charge potential within it's system construct, however  ...you do have more energy you can harvest then you actually input. We maybe setting a self defeating finish line. Why I say this, is that Tesla doesn't mention that his device is a "self-runner" however he makes numerous references to continually running devices that the energy is always flowing down hill. The problem for us, is we don't even have iterative results that are helpful, or a working theory to promote experimentation.

I think in the examples you gave, it is a perspective we must start cultivating. You must get energy from the outside, and bring it within the system. That energy can be a resonant state that you develop and maintain, but it is not measured in your "Power Meter"

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« Reply #8543 on: June 08, 2020, 07:23:28 AM »
The problem is that "energy is neither created nor destroyed" -- is usually misapplied, as well as "the total energy of an isolated system remains constant."


I say misapplied in that everyone expects these to apply outside of their working peramiters. Outside? What? All physical laws apply only if specific conditions exist.


Energy can be transformed, which can appear as created from nothing if only one form of energy is considered and another ignored. The second is hard to accomplish, in that truly isolated (closed) systems are rare in actuality. For instance, shielding is required within any sensitive electronic shielding just to isolate stray fields from adding energy where undesired into that system.


What you need to know is that energy is not just one "thing". A perfect example of an overunity system is the solar cell, where one form of energy (light) is transformed directly into another (electricity). This may not be considered as overunity since people understand the process, but in fact it always has been an example. It is a perpetual motion device in the sense that human beings need not add ANY energy into the system for it to produce energy, possibly for centuries or until physically damaged. A waterwheel is another form. modern science is stuck on electricity, batteries, electromagnetism, and heat as energy sources.


Where you will not find overunity is within the same system using the same exact form of energy. For instance, using electricity to produce electricity will produce less than unity. Some energy is always lost in most any system imaginable. Perfect conversion is even unity. So, how does a person try to achieve overunity?


Actually, that is easy in concept, though VERY difficult in practice.


You have to find a natural energy source of high potential and cause/allow it to flow to an area of low potential, converting if necessary to another form of more usable energy (such as electricity) so that the energy can be harvested.


To get overunity, this energy surce will either have to be unknown or unrealized, in that it cannot be presently considered a viable form of usable energy. You don't even have to know exactly what the unknown energy form is, I just advise not making stupid claims if/when you find one, such as automatic claims of "zero point energy" as a for instance. Don't make any claims at all unless you know for a fact what you are converting, lol, or you will look stupid.


Tesla, for instance was working with every form of electricity imaginable, not just high frequency AC as many people falsely claim, nor was he solely concerned with resonance, though it was a major part of his experimentation. Tesla and those like him didn't "think outside the box" -- they were never in the box to begin with. If you want to be like Tesla, examine the common box from every angle to find the all of the strengths and flaws, throw away the BS, then form your own box.


Time will tell how well you crafted your box.






 




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« Reply #8544 on: June 08, 2020, 11:59:52 AM »
"energy": can this expression becomes defind ?

Is it ever in EE the "Lorentz force = EMF " !?
"energy" : old units  (kilo-)calorie,erg now Joule and eV(elementalcharge in Volt)
but force F or G : old unit dyn and now Newton



In a geral formula ? or is the "specific energy",based by quantum physics, the base :
 e= mc^2   m = by acceleration : M1-M2 !?   m= by deceleration : M1 + M2   !?

 

 and (by Tesla) e=tc^2    t = as speed/velocity in liquid,air,vacuum

                                                speed/velocity a. acceleration b. deceleration

straight line,ccw,cw

Friction/resistance !?

How is "time" in physics defind !? Is a light-year a "time unit : -year/cycle" or "range/distance/way unit : ..... Km "

Gravity : Wichte = specific weight strictly to differ from Ge-Wicht= weight

Importance,or example : horizontal motor-rotor lifted by two magnets



   Moment = Kraft = Force ,
vector (arrow)? scalar (arrow) ? positive (direction) sign ? negative (direction) sign ?
        "specific force" ?

Ruhe-/Lage-/potentielle Energie,Bewegungs-Energie,Reibungs-Energie : be-/ent-schleunigend :
"energy" in geral several different formulas,conditioning dependent, to "specific energy" !
Used in energy to work lever-aging devices/machine !?
Ridiculous :
Lavenami 40 Km/h velocity max:                                                                          1,5  KW nominal electric motor
to modify  to 80 Km/h max. we have to calculate : 80/40 = 2(v3)x1,5 KW= 12  KW nominal electric motor
to modify to 120 Km/h we have to calculate : 120/40 = 3(v3) x 1,5 KW =    40,5  KW nominal electric motor
~ Reva NRG : 37 KW nominal AC- motor, 12 KWh consume/100 km

In Germany average sped (A.D.A.C./Allgemeine Deutsche Automobil Clube  study) city,land/federal streets,highway :

                                                        56 km/h
                       

             24.02.2020

For 111 km VW-electric ID.3 - 2000 / two thousands -   participants had to pedal during 24 hours on 100 bicycles with coupled electric-generator

If the human average work-force per hour = 75 W x 100 bicycles x 24 hours = 180 KWh
         
 btw: human peak :                                        2000 W



e-car conversion from 95 hp combustion engine to 32 KW nominal electric drive

          Why ? 95 hp to KW and combustion engine max to combustion engine average !

                                                         Simple fact !

::) Not to include a next loss factor : calculatoric pure hp to KW directly to rotative and fixed/variable and DC nominal in torque  versus AC nominal in torque )




Question now : Haeusler Zsolt city car 1,5 KW nominal electric motor conversion of gasoline engine car

                           0-50 Km/h in city traffic,partial only more 0-30 Km/h,with/-out flywheel ?
                          Car weight,passengers/luggage weight ?
                          City with hills,plane !?

                          Parking-garage with many decks up with which velocity ?                          Or in future only more garage  " car-Paternoster-platform"- service !?

                          Michel Porquer 4x 500 Watt -speed amplifying- gear drive ~ 12 KWh nominal electric drive


We have sufficient studies and prototypes to develop the world  future anymore with " unecological big factories/companies/countries" !
Tesla Inc. is not an example for ecological "energy application", like VW,BMW,Toyota,Daimler-Benz great enough to die !

To dissolve multi-national  in national,and ex-mother-company independent,"baby"-companies !

The world is independent from their physical existence !
Especially about selling 10000 Euros worth new production costs cars for 50000 Euros and more !
Economical market abuse ! And ecology abuse :

1 Tesla car engine : 10,up to 100 conventional city cars  combustion to electric drive conversion kit-s material  !

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« Reply #8545 on: June 08, 2020, 03:47:50 PM »
The problem is that "energy is neither created nor destroyed" -- is usually misapplied, as well as "the total energy of an isolated system remains constant."


If we charge a 100uf cap to 100v and connect it to a 100uf cap with 0v we end up with 50v in each cap, we lose 50% of the total energy that was in the first cap to start. Calculate the energy total in 2 100uf caps at 50v each. Where did the energy go?
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« Reply #8546 on: June 08, 2020, 05:09:03 PM »
If we charge a 100uf cap to 100v and connect it to a 100uf cap with 0v we end up with 50v in each cap, we lose 50% of the total energy that was in the first cap to start. Calculate the energy total in 2 100uf caps at 50v each. Where did the energy go?
Mags
From capacitor/caps to cups :

You have two cups  in front,not caps  ::) ,one full with water and the other empty !
Now you fill the second = empty cup half-full by the full cup with water !


Now you have two halffull, or one halfempty and an other halffull cups :


I do not think that somebody has to explain where the water from the first cup became lost !?
100% same water content,in two cups now as 100% capacitance in Joule/Farad in 2 capacitors now !

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« Reply #8547 on: June 08, 2020, 05:13:37 PM »
If we charge a 100uf cap to 100v and connect it to a 100uf cap with 0v we end up with 50v in each cap, we lose 50% of the total energy that was in the first cap to start. Calculate the energy total in 2 100uf caps at 50v each. Where did the energy go?
Mags

Not sure what your expectation is here, if you take a full glass of water, and pour half of it in another empty glass now you have two half filled glasses. However if you raise the ambient potential of the first glass above it's equal potential... like a higher position, you can siphon all the water from one glass to another.

This is a classic problem with OU, we don't consider the "outside" and we don't integrate it with more water.

Consider this idea with capacitors, you have two plates separated by a dialectic. In this model however, the lower plate is attached to a mover, like a motor, so the plate can spin. Charge the plates, and you have difference in potential, now disconnect the upper plate so those charges wont move on the upper plate,  and place both plates in a magnetic field. Spin the lower plate, if you place an AV plug on the plate you should be able direct the movement through a load, back to ground. If you don't think this is possible, stick a tube in a pool fill it with water and spin the tube over your head. It creates that siphon effect. You push charges off with the mover, and the capacitor draws the charges back because the plates maintains an equal charge level between the upper plate that is stationary and the flow being generated by the mover on the lower plate.

It is a charge pump, with the limit of the Farads of the capacitor.

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« Reply #8548 on: June 08, 2020, 05:30:48 PM »
   Besides the limit of the capacitor, can you show just how any of this can produce OU? Or is it still less than OU?   Emptying the glasses requires additional energy. As well as raising the first glass higher than the second one.   So, still less than OU, when calculating the losses. Or not? Can you show a video of how you think that there is any actual gain.   NickZ

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« Reply #8549 on: June 08, 2020, 06:52:55 PM »
   Besides the limit of the capacitor, can you show just how any of this can produce OU? Or is it still less than OU?   Emptying the glasses requires additional energy. As well as raising the first glass higher than the second one.   So, still less than OU, when calculating the losses. Or not? Can you show a video of how you think that there is any actual gain.   NickZ
Ha , Ha, in a stable world what you say is so, but what happens if we tip the ballanc a bit supose i freez the water then i end up with more why because it expands.

Now how can we do that with electricity ? well what is electricity ? is it an electron or a magnetic component of existance and then there is the wire, so what quality has the wire got and how could we alter it if thats the problem but is it?

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