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Offline ayeaye

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8340 on: December 09, 2018, 11:34:15 PM »
I agree with that one, the Gorchilin's circuit looks like quite conventional, and when also using conventional equations to calculate it, the result possibly cannot be overunity, unless one did a mistake.

I don't think that the F6FLT's claim that he built MEG, is correct though. I don't think that MEG works and i have not found a single reason whatsoever to build it. But most likely his claim that he built it is wrong, he did not. Thus it is also true that he lacks scientific rigor.

I also don't agree with his claim that the bifilar coil model in LTspice can be used everywhere instead of the real coil. He also didn't properly analyze the model and doesn't seem to be capable of critical thinking that it requires.

I'm sick of the endless argument with him, he offends me all the time for no real reason. I proposed him to have this personal argument in private, as it doesn't interest anyone, but he didn't respond.


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8341 on: December 11, 2018, 11:53:53 AM »
End this madness - you cannot have overunity in equations or simulations - BECAUSE it is external field, just that easy !  >:(

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« Reply #8342 on: December 11, 2018, 02:02:20 PM »
forest, please tell you me how I have to calculate here_-------------------------------------------------------------------------_--------------------
http://rexresearch.com/flynn/flynn.htm "paradox" result
http://rexresearch.com/flynn/Ppfigure3.gif  linear maths, pure addititon ,would give
"1721 units + 1091 units = 2812 units " and  not "3845 units" as physical measureable result !----------------------------------------------------------------------------
The same "phenomen" measured by Jack Hilden-Brand by his R&D experiments.                  Open/closed parallel magnetic path :
70 emf units + 70 mmf units not 140 "linear" mmf units  but dynamic 280 mmf units-----------------------------------------------------------------------------emf input: instead DC,AC  power saving pulsed ( duty cycle) AC ="inverter process"

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8343 on: December 11, 2018, 03:34:02 PM »
End this madness - you cannot have overunity in equations or simulations - BECAUSE it is external field, just that easy !  >:(
I wholeheartedly agree.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8344 on: December 12, 2018, 06:35:25 PM »
This is real world application that was used for automobile ignition. It was also re-discovered by Stan Meyer to Split water into its component parts of hydrogen and oxygen and run a dune buggy. This is not a simulation.


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8345 on: December 14, 2018, 01:37:51 PM »
End this madness - you cannot have overunity in equations or simulations - BECAUSE it is external field, just that easy !  >:(

Yes it comes from outside, this is what by definition overunity is, energy comes from an unknown source. Or if not completely unknown, then at least not well known. I think when there is overunity, most likely it comes from zero point energy, and most likely it is the power that keeps the electrons orbiting the atom. Like what Bedini said, that it comes from resistors or whatever, i don't think it makes sense. So it's really nonsense to try to find overunity, using equations that are made assuming unity, that is no energy coming from outside source.

Comes from zero point energy, and then goes back to there. Which likely always happens, like when we drop and object, and then rise it again to its previous height, the energy comes from zero point, and then an equal amount of energy goes back to zero point again. Zero point is nothing outlandish, it is always there, it is a part of which everything consists of.


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« Reply #8346 on: December 14, 2018, 09:54:31 PM »
Zero point energy - stupid excuses for people who do not want to see clearly. Like a cargo cult![/font][/size]

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8347 on: December 15, 2018, 04:46:40 AM »
Zero point energy - stupid excuses for people who do not want to see clearly. Like a cargo cult![/font][/size]

No, as i see it. Zero point energy is about what the space is. It is a dynamic 3D grid of nodes, or particles, that is in a constant movement, and forms a 3D space. It is that continuous movement that is zero point energy. It is inevitable, as everything consists of movement. By the law of vibration.

One may see it differently, such 3D grid has properties of liquid, and has properties of waves. Like wave is a propagation of a cyclic process, and most processes are cyclic, because of the law of rhythm. We should discuss such things under theory.


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« Reply #8348 on: December 15, 2018, 04:03:10 PM »
I kinda hate people that give lectures and keep talking about zero point energy devices, because it is cool now. Like there is still movement in absolute zero, so there must be energy, so there must be devices that use this somehow. I think it is just a lack of a better term or actual solution. The same way as saying "I will just use an antenna to pick up the background radiation from the big Bang". Ok. show me the antenna and the device that puts out 5kW?

But I also do believe, that Moray had a working device. TK does not even let people see everything inside those boxes. Moray just removed one component and the rest of the machine he let everybody inspect. I am just wondering if the device used nuclear material in the valves or did he figure out a novel crystal radio. I know the output was HF, because he said it had to be run in "gravity mode" to power other than resistive loads

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8349 on: December 15, 2018, 04:32:40 PM »
I kinda hate people that give lectures and keep talking about zero point energy devices, because it is cool now. Like there is still movement in absolute zero, so there must be energy, so there must be devices that use this somehow. I think it is just a lack of a better term or actual solution. The same way as saying "I will just use an antenna to pick up the background radiation from the big Bang". Ok. show me the antenna and the device that puts out 5kW?

Yes it is true that overunity, if there is any, is energy coming from unknown source. We don't know that much about zero point either, so yes it is unknown source. Yet we know something, like the Casimir effect, between two plates there is less energy than outside, because there can be less waves between two plates, than outside of them. The same we may think, if we make things more organized, the energy at zero point should decrease, because then there are less possibilities left. Like when a field does work, causing a directional movement, this should decrease energy at zero point. Thus field does work, the energy at zero point decreases, this can be seen as energy coming from zero point. When we work against the field, we likely cause some disturbance, and this may cause the opposite, the energy at zero point increasing.

Thus you cannot say that when one talks about zero point, then this is just because one doesn't know where the energy may come from, and then says zero point, pretending some knowledge. It remains true that what exactly happens at zero point, remains largely unknown. Yet the reason why it's said is because of modeling and analytical thinking, there is some reason to say, not because of pretending to know or because it looks cool.

That there is movement at absolute zero, and this is the only reason why anyone may say that the energy comes from zero point or goes to zero point. No this is not right, this is not the only reason, something is omitted, and thus the conclusion is not exactly right. That there also is the logic, things being more organized, like having two parallel plates, decreases the energy at zero point, and vice versa, things becoming less organized, like removing the two parallel plates, increases the energy at zero point.

Who doesn't restrict oneself with only reading from pages of the textbooks, but also thinks oneself, goes a dangerous road, yes. Because he goes away from the safe paved road. One is not protected, whatever may happen, some always attack. This is what i always feel, it doesn't matter how well i think or how well i explain, they don't even listen, not to talk thinking about what i say. Instead they say, read what is written on these pages of the textbook, and see that this differs from what you say, right? With that they show their complete inability to understand. Who only reads from the pages of the textbook, goes an easy road, yes. and all is good. The only small thing is that he can never discover or invent anything, but this is not a big problem, when everything is really good.


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« Reply #8350 on: December 15, 2018, 06:02:31 PM »
I also think that active suppression going on. I mean if you seek free energy then you must believe it exists. After all this time it is probably already in use and it coming out would the end of oil and other crap. So free energy automatically means there is suppression.

That is done by entities that make money on energy. That means unlimited resources to do so. That means all schools, textbooks and theories are tainted. Naturally our tech still works and there is always plausible deniability. Something is not told, something is told the wrong way, something is not researched at all and as a bonus they push out theory after theory of just theoretical crap to keep you busy. I mean you can create a theory, use math to prove it, but is doesn't mean it exists in reality.

Sure education is important and it saves a lot of time in your experiments, but if the secrets are hidden you cannot find them in any textbooks. Guru in sanskrit means a person who uses his intuition to ignite another persons intuition. Haven't seen much of those in the schools I went to... They were more like "This is how I was taught. I will teach you the same. You will learn this equation and you learn to create these machines, that you plug into the wall" so passing down the ignorance

Universities live on grant money and those grants are passed from energy companies to universities. You will get a research package, but that package tells you exactly what you can research and nothing else. So they pay you to invent a gasoline engine, that uses 10% less gasoline. Then they raise the gasoline price by 15%

I think education, intuition, accidental discoveries and unconventional heretic mind will lead to miracles. Like penicillin

Two easy Don Smith devices to test were the coil+core that goes through 2 cap plates and the one where plasma tube covered with a coil creates current. I am trying to use every method that comes to mind. I mean free energy is crazy! So why not even crazy methods to try to find it?

You do this until you get it self looped with a load. anything else is just a debate and hell even that will be a debate, since people always see wires everywhere and batteries under tables.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8351 on: December 15, 2018, 08:40:48 PM »
Why I'm against the term "zero point energy" ?  Because you have the reality here, around you ! It's the real field , real field force . It's called Earth magnetic field.
May the force be with you...

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« Reply #8352 on: December 15, 2018, 09:24:07 PM »
There is no-where free energy but " free energy" ,Gibbs theorem conditionized.There is not a Celsius,Fahrenheit or Kelvin "Nullpunkt,Zero point" mentionized in quantum mechanics but the XYZ-SPACE-TIME -Null/Zero-Koordination/Coordination-Punkt/Point.-------------------------------------------------------
Understanding Casimir/Sparnay = the conditionized  "free energy" in the XYZ-RAUM-ZEIT-Koordinationssystem.More about this : Herman Minkowski works," Father from the Quantenphysik", one of his students : Albert Einstein.The most Estates in our World are over-dept, not to speak about the " hidden debt".Clearly that these administrations do not want to loose this great mineral and electricity  tax sum in their budget balance.For example Germany: the endconsumer are paying in average 25 Eurocents per KVAh, the average electricity production costs are, here the ministerium of economy numbers, in the mix 8 Eurocents per KVAh , actually the international electricity auctions of wind and solar energy plants are in the 3 to 2,5 Eurocents per KVAh range and in some years we are in the 1 Eurocent per KVAh electricity production scale.
Here the numbers  from the Fraunhofer-study for free standing PhotoVoltaik parcs in the relatively sunny south of Germany: 2030- the solar energy generation in the 2,5 € cent per KVAh range.https://www.recknagel-online.de/aktuell/publikationen/20-03-2018-studie-zu-stromgestehungskosten-strom-aus-photovoltaik-am-guenstigsten/

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« Reply #8353 on: December 20, 2018, 03:52:20 PM »
Hi everyone :)
i want to share this to all of you
"http//anengineersaspect.blogspot.Com"
So good to read :D
Then search "new power source"

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8354 on: December 20, 2018, 07:16:24 PM »
Thanks Teets!
Not sure if this is the article or not:
http://anengineersaspect.blogspot.com/2011/07/nikola-tesla-new-source-of-energy-and.html

Interesting that he states: "My power generator will be of the simplest kind--just a big mass of steel, copper and aluminum, comprising a stationary and rotating part, peculiarly assembled."  [/font][/size]This has been mentioned so many times by people developing TPU-like devices.  Just don't have time to source them on my lunch hour.[/size]

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