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Offline Tito L. Oracion

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #660 on: December 03, 2010, 06:38:06 AM »
http://www.zen22142.zen.co.uk/Circuits/Power/1230psu.htm
 

BUT! take note for the balance ok!

so looong fel   ;)

ps: i'm wondering why this thread of mine become ossie motor thread, hmm.  ???
i think ossie is crossing just to say 'hi i'm also better design hmmmm'.  :D

;D



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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #661 on: December 06, 2010, 05:17:26 AM »
Something I thought of that doesnt make sense to me.

Considering a transformer, lets say step down,  say 10 to 1,  with 100v in and 10v out.
If ya think about it, on the secondary, the voltage is stepped down, less motive force, less pressure, yet the amperage capability is relatively high.  Or the other way around, 100v, high pressure, but low current content.  Sounds like something is wrong here.  I just really never looked at it that way before. Sounds like basic info, but when we consider the pressure(voltage) capabilities in each situation, something doesnt seem right.

Is it only related to the AWG size of the wire for the pri and sec? 

If we looked at a step up as if it were gears and the teeth were turns, The sec, larger gear with more teeth, has more pressure, force, voltage, and low current, low current as in the gear moves slow, things are moving slow on that side, where as the smaller gear, the primary, can be driven with little pressure, voltage, but great amount of movement, current.

I dunno.   It seems as if there were a way to make a transformer that had gain, we may be able to apply that idea to gears in some fashion.   weird

I just have these crazy visions of it has to be done another way.   Its like havin a name you cant recall on the tip of your tongue.   

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #662 on: December 06, 2010, 07:03:44 PM »
Hi Magluvin,

That is something that has always got to me. You can take a 10Awg wire make a 20 turn coil and spin a diametric magnet next to it with a Dremel and get 8 amps out but the voltage will be in the micro-volts. Take the same weight of coil in 22Awg and you will get 10+volts but very little current. The copper mass, the magnet and speed hasn't changed but the B-Fields linking the coils has increased. So if we want to get amps we have to lessen the B-Field interference. If we want voltage we need a higher linked B-Field.

Could it be possible to get a 10ft conical wire that start from 22Awg and ramps up to 12Awg? If two of these are wound opposing each other tapped in the middle it might be possible to get both the voltage and the current from the same speed magnet? I'm not really sure how a non-linear wire would work or how to calculate it.

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« Reply #662 on: December 06, 2010, 07:03:44 PM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #663 on: December 06, 2010, 08:03:03 PM »
..oh...just go, and measure the inductance. of these two coils, and mystery will be gone.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #664 on: December 06, 2010, 09:02:55 PM »
Hi IWD,

Yes for linear we can measure the inductance but for non-linear wire wrapped as a coil would it still be calculated the same? A cone shaped wire going from 12Awg to 22Awg, the circumference of the coil would change based on the change of diameter. The B-Field will expand towards the top and shrink towards the bottom the way I visualize it.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #665 on: December 06, 2010, 10:12:46 PM »
-Electricity flows around the wire, not in the wire
-smalt izolation is adjusting spacing betwen two wires, in sense of two waies current.
-and also size of wire is adjusting spacing betwen pair of two current path.
-more path with moving charges in same particular space and time, will ressults as bigger inductance.
-More possible ways off current is concentrated in smaller space, and thus that, is more intensive magnetic field, and of course induced current is also creating more intensive magnetic field, with opozite polarization.
-And of course with decreasing of rate(balance) betwen electric and magnetic field, one type of energy will supply the other type(magnetic for current, and electric for voltage)

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #666 on: December 06, 2010, 10:33:04 PM »
@Magluvin

A few years ago I asked myself the same question and came up with this idea.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg136972#msg136972

I am sure such a core laminate would save tons of copper wire to achieve the same step-up or step-down coupling effects and maybe even to increase gain. lol

@DreamThinkBuild

Doing it with a conical wire itself should make no difference to the coupling. You will still be regulated by the thinnest part of the wire.

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« Reply #666 on: December 06, 2010, 10:33:04 PM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #667 on: December 07, 2010, 02:00:46 AM »
Something has open.
 oh boy its so exciting hmmmmm....... 

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #668 on: December 07, 2010, 03:08:15 AM »
Hey Teets

Im right huh?  Something is wrong with the conventional way, and many other ways that that the same theory of mutual induction applies.

I remember Agent Gates coil.  The angles had my mind hanging outside the box for a bit. 
Before Gates appeared, I had an idea that if the conductors were at some angle to each other, that there could possibly be an acceleration or form of gear ratio thing in primary and secondary. I had the idea from just visualizing a spinning field around the conductors that acted like gears when interacting with each other, the primary and secondary.  But I had dropped the idea and proceeded with other projects.
But as I began into Gates thread, he said something that sparked my memory, and I think I posted about it there.
I cant remember, and just spent some time looking for the original thread that was posted as applied for ou prize. Gone?
But it was something to do with the spinning around the conductors, that if you pulsed it the right way, the spinning became large and continued to spin beyond the pulse, and when pulsed timely, it would produce dc output on the sec.

But the spin interaction, while the conductors are at an angle to each other, I envisioned a sort of way to change the gear ratio, depending on the angle and distance of the pri and sec conductors.  The word I believe he used that got me was accelerate.  I was hooked for a bit. 
I began to think Gates was holding back on correct info along the way, and my evidence was pretty strong on the conviction, as there was inconsistency here n there.

EDIT  I believed he didnt want anyone to get it done before him, at the time.  Many were fumbling from design to the new design.  I think the sec definitely needed to be heavy wire, but also the primary should have been larger than prescribed, as shown in his gift to Stefan, of which was suppose to be a working model in progress. =l

From what I have heard, they are still working on it.  Grapes

Anyway, Im rambling.

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #668 on: December 07, 2010, 03:08:15 AM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #669 on: December 07, 2010, 03:17:44 AM »
Good stuff Watts

Hmmm, maybe somehow have more core volume toward the tip of the cone, and thin out toward the open end.

Im glad you and Dream have had the same thoughts.  Its strange how this idea eluded me for so long.

Back in the days, they studied 1 wire against 1 wire.  and strange looking simplistic experiments.  Maybe we need to dig into such things.   I had suggested to Gates that maybe testing just 2 wires crossing each other to find optimal angle.
 
hmm  wonder how AGs coil would react with trisil shmacks from da caps.   Maybe it can deliver a big spinfest as compared to the transistor switch.  Still got my AG coil.  Will give it a go.

=]

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #670 on: December 07, 2010, 03:29:50 AM »
Hey Teets

It would be very cool if at least when we ask a question that IS in the right direction, that you let us know with a big YES! when we do get something right. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :-*


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #671 on: December 07, 2010, 08:24:16 AM »
Oh  :o

Well, YES! thats one door but there are other doors and sometimes we Need to combine those doors to make pretty smoothly cool running engine.

Let say for example: to have a cool running engine it needs some water, air , gasoline, oil and a good heavy duty materials okay?

Now, what happens in our thread is that in different days we get discover water, the other day oil. etc, got it?  ;D The target is moving, then to solve its movement we have to check its every move to point it out.

So therefore we conclude that free energy can achieved by means of good combination of different working ideas, right?  8)

That's why what Tesla did was to scater all of his work into separate pieces and gave it to his different friends.

and so now those different tech are already in the WWW then our only task now is to solve the puzzle ok.

Tesla is genius but we are more genius now than tesla ok  ;D


Now wakeup!  ;D

ps: do you know how frankenstine is made? we can do it more better ok  :)
   : There is always room for improvement :) :(

Tito mateti reporting  ;D

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #672 on: December 07, 2010, 09:38:49 AM »
Tito

You really do not know how complicated it is to found even simple thing  :(
Some are blessed but accidentally finding a working device and can learn from this, but others have a lot of ideas like a many gears from watch but they haven't ever seen a watch so they have no such blinking moment : "AHA ! That's a part of the watch!"

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #673 on: December 08, 2010, 03:15:42 AM »
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Doing it with a conical wire itself should make no difference to the coupling. You will still be regulated by the thinnest part of the wire.

Thank you Wattsup and IWD for the explanation.

Hi Tito,

In one of your post you mentioned two coils, one large, one small, with a cap. Do you spark gap the small coil into the large coil or are they flux linked? :)

Hi Magluvin,

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Back in the days, they studied 1 wire against 1 wire.  and strange looking simplistic experiments.  Maybe we need to dig into such things. I had suggested to Gates that maybe testing just 2 wires crossing each other to find optimal angle.

I still keep thinking we can capture the B-Field that is setup around a conductor. Take a 1ft 10Awg wire which will run our input signal. Take a 12Awg steel electric fence wire as the core now coil the 22Awg wire onto the 12Awg core. Now take that candy cane and wrap it around our conductor. Put a square wave into the 10Awg wire and measure the output of the 22Awg which is coiled around it. If we get even in the milli-watts all we should be able to calculate how long a cable we need to get the desired watts. It might just turn out to be a inefficient heater though (melted). :)

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #674 on: December 08, 2010, 08:37:03 AM »
Thank you Wattsup and IWD for the explanation.

Hi Tito,

In one of your post you mentioned two coils, one large, one small, with a cap. Do you spark gap the small coil into the large coil or are they flux linked? :)

Hi Magluvin,

I still keep thinking we can capture the B-Field that is setup around a conductor. Take a 1ft 10Awg wire which will run our input signal. Take a 12Awg steel electric fence wire as the core now coil the 22Awg wire onto the 12Awg core. Now take that candy cane and wrap it around our conductor. Put a square wave into the 10Awg wire and measure the output of the 22Awg which is coiled around it. If we get even in the milli-watts all we should be able to calculate how long a cable we need to get the desired watts. It might just turn out to be a inefficient heater though (melted). :)

Yes, its from small -> large coil but I eliminated the spark gap anymore, don't use it pls. And they are flux linked also.  :)

 

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