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Offline Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #585 on: November 09, 2010, 01:06:54 AM »
Well.  Im not being impressed with what I have. Actually this transformer is not performing anything like I thought it would.  Ive been trying different things, but maybe Ive been doing it wrong.

Was thinking at work today, and came up with 2 things that lead me to a possible finish line.


First thing, I built a relay pulser circuit for my boss, as his brother in law wants flames to come out of his exaust with a sparking mechanism.  The relay was set up so that the normally closed contacts sent power to the relay coil to switch the contacts, and oscillates at about 60hz with a 10 uf cap across the coil to elongate the relay activation time, so when the relay is fully activated, it sends gnd to the spark coil as would an ignition system.  My sparks were very weak.
So I tried a condenser across the contacts and bam! big 2 in sparks.  But thats not the interesting part, when I applied the spark to a spark plug, without the condenser, a very fine line spark was visible, but with the condenser, there were many sparks next to each other, as if the condenser, cap, was oscillating with the coils primary and producing multiple sparks.   So the cap across the points, or contacts are not just for rf interference purposes, or just for preserving the contacts, though it does both, but mostly its to produce oscillation in the primary.  So in the Igniter pat, I see the cap and primary oscillating after(during) discharge, not just simple discharge.
In my spark coil project, the primaries in those coils are about 1 ohm.  Seems like a bit more ohms than we are possibly seeing in Kapanadze wiring, or even Don Smith or even Tesla.  I was amazed to visually see it. 1 thin quick spark vs multiple sparks that was over a greater course of time vs thin spark.

Second thing.  Bifi coils.  I have done some experiments with a few with results that had shown no difference. So I set that idea down for a bit. Something came to me on something I had read a while back.  Tito has claimed trifi and bifi, with his last statement that the bifi gives greater magnetic field than a normal coil, of which is also what I had read.  As for what came to me was that tesla said that the higher the voltage discharged into the bifi, the better the effect was in the advantages of using bifi.  So this is where and why we will need high voltage discharge from the cap, because the bifi is a non linear amplifier of sorts. The higher the input the greater the multiple applied to the bifi effect.   A normal transformer is probably just that, normal as we know it.

So with both things in mind, I would say that we would want the cap to remain across the coil for some time to oscillate, no?  Charge cap, discharge cap, hold and oscillate, then kick again.

Im working on that tonight. The transformer I have , I will try separating the secondary pairs to try and convert it to bifi, of which I think it will work. If not, I will post results and a vid to show wuts uP and move on to a home made transformer with a bifi primary.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #585 on: November 09, 2010, 01:06:54 AM »

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #586 on: November 09, 2010, 02:24:52 AM »
.....Second thing.  Bifi coils.  I have done some experiments with a few with results that had shown no difference. So I set that idea down for a bit. Something came to me on something I had read a while back.  Tito has claimed trifi and bifi, with his last statement that the bifi gives greater magnetic field than a normal coil, of which is also what I had read.  As for what came to me was that tesla said that the higher the voltage discharged into the bifi, the better the effect was in the advantages of using bifi.  So this is where and why we will need high voltage discharge from the cap, because the bifi is a non linear amplifier of sorts. The higher the input the greater the multiple applied to the bifi effect.   A normal transformer is probably just that, normal as we know it......

Hi.  Is this what you are referring to;

http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/bifilar_electromagnet.htm

If so, it doesn't work - tried it!

Jean Louis Naudin even referenced this link in one of his articles, (which was the reason I tried the 2-nail experiment to begin with) and as I subscribe to his Yahoo group, I tried posting about this but seems to have been 'moderated' out of existence...  Strange group, you get no posts for months, then a flood of them will come, then nothing again...

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #587 on: November 09, 2010, 02:46:26 AM »
Here is a vid my friend made a while back.  It is a quad fi coil. He shows the effects described.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbFqVh7GdGk

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #587 on: November 09, 2010, 02:46:26 AM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #588 on: November 10, 2010, 12:14:02 AM »
Ive been studying a bit.   
I have this pat. from Tesla    http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/00512340.htm
Its a short read.  Right now Im looking for the debate, i think, of Tesla on the subject.  This is where he claims the higher the voltage, the effect becomes greater.

The pat explains the bifi coil.  He claims that it increases the self capacitance greatly and reduces self inductance.
Now I can see the capacitance thing working out, as each turn has a 50% difference in source potential to adjacent windings.
But decreasing self inductance, this must mean reducing the Henries of the coil as a whole. How would we calculate that? I suppose we would have to measure it to see where she rings.
And I would assume that lower self inductance means more instantaneous discharge current from the cap.

So this coil should ring shorted, once kicked, like an lc, but with greater capacitance than just a normally wound coil by itself.  Now I can see why we would need to disconnect the discharge cap at peak, to get the best results.

Im working on getting a larger discharge cap up to 50v or so to pulse the transformer. In my vid running the ac induction fan, I was just charging 5600uf cap to 12v.  I figure at 50v, the fan should really take off.
I need to do this to post the part 2 vid as some are waiting, and then make hard changes..

So I think the bifi is a key ingredient here.

After these projects I want to rewind a dc motor bifi.  Get 2, convert 1 and test.   Something my Great grandfather did has me thinking.  If the motor gets a stronger mag field on the coils than a regular winding, then it should produce more torque at no extra expense.  If the motor normally is 90% eff. maybe we can get something here.

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #589 on: November 10, 2010, 12:31:53 AM »
Bifilar wound coil simply can contain more energy than normal coil, Thus that also bigger magnetic field. But it simply take the energy from source, as you are charging the capacitance betwen wires. That is the point of that patent, you simply can deliver more energy to that coil, which is not possible in normal coil.

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« Reply #589 on: November 10, 2010, 12:31:53 AM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #590 on: November 10, 2010, 01:38:29 AM »
Here is a vid my friend made a while back.  It is a quad fi coil. He shows the effects described.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbFqVh7GdGk

Mags

Seems I'm easily confused, are these bi-filar or ordinary coils? -  the guy doesn't mention bifilar at all!  And his description at the end is less than clear - why didn't he just state the battery voltage & current for both setups.  Also, with regard to the link I posted, that guy states that a bifilar-wound coil (double the wire length, so twice the resistance) will result in a doubling of the magnetic field (the way he winds it, it doesn't!), whereas your guy states that quadrupling (or times-eight if they're bifilar) the length results in only a doubling of the magnetic field...

At least it's good to see a working example of an increase in magnet field when the coil resistance also has increased.  Of course I have yet to figure out how to wind a coil that displays this myself...

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« Reply #591 on: November 10, 2010, 02:28:09 AM »
I am working on it sprocket.  Maybe the mag field is just during charging then comes to rest at standard level. Duno yet. That vid is kinda old and he is still working on it.
But If I get a working example going, I will bring it to the table.  Like I said, I played with a couple examples and didnt care for the results. So I am entering this again with as little as I can tell ya.

It says in the pat. and looks like, the conductors have a fair amount of insulation on them. Teets has mentioned using speaker wire, of which can make winding a bifi a bit easier, and just stupid simple if its just 1 layer. I dont really imagine a 500 turn bifi primary here, but who knows. ;]

As for discharging into a primary that is part of a transformer that is a step uP transformer, there must be some efficiency in doing so, as many claims seem to follow this routine. Then we use step down to get user voltages.  That is the ONLY thing I can come up with as for a reason to charge a cap to a high voltage, then dump it into a primary of a step uP transformer.

Maybe it has to do with how the secondary affects the wind down oscillations of the primary. Example, if it were a step down, the primary will oscillate for a shorter time according to how much the step down is. 

This is me just thinking here. Im trying to put all these clues together to make sense of why they say or do this in the circuit.  But there must be reasons..   


I watched a Don Smith vid explaining his table top setup.  Some of the things he says, at times has ya thinking, hmmm, he dont really know how it works.  But maybe thats his way of explaining without divulging too much on tape.  But he was certain that it was important to step up the voltage at the transformer first, then reduce for use.

Any thoughts?

Mags

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Offline forest

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #592 on: November 10, 2010, 08:58:27 AM »
Don Smith knew how it works.Simply disconnecting cap-coil at peak in proper way makes long running oscillations and repeating the same at the correct moment makes it continous. It took Tesla a few years to make it continous so we should be kind to ourselves.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #593 on: November 10, 2010, 09:00:21 AM »
Questions: how we can shift phase of electric wave ? I have to move it forward by 90 degrees for example . I would explain it later what I'm trying to do

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #594 on: November 10, 2010, 09:54:41 AM »
Guys,
would you like to examine this short thread once again, it's only 17 replies; it could be quite beneficial:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7513.0

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #595 on: November 10, 2010, 10:21:59 AM »
OK EVERYONE PLEASE LISTEN  :'(

In this thread, the questions should be:

a) How to convert small kicks into big kicks, this is known already ok? now!

b) The second is How to convert one kick into multiple kicks  ???

Now! that is simple ok, if you can't get that!, I don't know to you!!!!@!@#@#$#@

sample of one kick into multiple kicks :=> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hm3O3jRKW4&feature=related
i am sure that no one is prohibiting us to add many more disk ok?.

Like this one=> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fldu5l8_Ips&feature=related
oh gussssssh this is ovious!  :o

sprocket! i'm independent here, i don't have groups, i don't know everyone.
     if you can't make it run by you then don't be very suspicious ok, your very wrong my friend we are all basing everything here from tesla, so its not my word ok. don't believe me but tesla!

Goodbye! astalavista baby  ;)


ps. my footstep are being watch ;D

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #596 on: November 10, 2010, 08:57:26 PM »
damn

Tito , you mean many in series yet still parallel ?
Trifillar used in non common way ?  :o  :o  :o
'Atta way baby!

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
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« Reply #599 on: November 11, 2010, 08:04:01 AM »
damn

Tito , you mean many in series yet still parallel ?
Trifillar used in non common way ?  :o  :o  :o
'Atta way baby!

@forest
          Hmmmmmm........   
          your really gettin good ha.  ;D

Try to imagine if every kick has let say for example at least one gain then, how much more if more and more. got it?  ;D
 as i always say your imagination is the limit ok.

see, stprue saw at least one gain thats correct. and that is really exist right?

Always don't forget that there is always a better way of at least one absolute and efficient way ok?


ps: Ok!, we don't actually need a spark gap. or else we will develop a memory gap ;D lol
remember :> silent explosion!


Tito mateti reporting ;D

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