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Offline Tito L. Oracion

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #525 on: October 23, 2010, 04:15:14 AM »
Using some what?    Nature timing?

Would this be more correct...   i'm just using a very simple components as much as possible like what tesla is using in his days. but for the sake of size i'm using some Nature timing.   =]


Mags

yES! of course, cause we have to use in our device were it is behaving better ok;  ;)

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #525 on: October 23, 2010, 04:15:14 AM »

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #526 on: October 23, 2010, 09:26:57 AM »
@forest

             CHEEEEEEERS!  :)

   just teach mags what you have bud.  ;)

That is what i'm saying, in time you got it, then thats the time you realize what i'm saying is right. isn't it?

i think what you need now is a refinement of your design and some correct  materials and places for components and that is i think where we have to be differ if whose the best design ok;  ;D

Just last tip: it is better for our device that it can able to receive or detect signals easily so that the source is stable ok  ;)

No more tips now, just try and think which is best or correct materials ok.


now you have the version one of tesla's amplifier.
the second one is more brilliant. => rolling stone ice just notice how nature works.


sir wattsup is very correct for we have 1 volt forever but that is a long method.
but here is what i say "THERE IS ALWAYS A BETTER WAY" ;D AND "THERE IS ALWAYS A VERY GOOD SOLUTION OF ATLEAST ONE " ;D


bye.  >:(

SO LONG FEL;D


Tito
I think you are talking about "ring twice" version as a second one ,right ?
My device is not working as I wish right now ,no OU, the speed of motor is not stable and I have problems to make it like Adams motor nature timing  ;D  because my magnets are glued on top cd disc not on edge, have to build wood handle for pushing coil above disc.
also reed switch that one with inert gas inside is not good  >:( sparking probably to weak for my 400V capacitor discharge.
but... I have so many ideas ....  :D

have to find a nice big cap maybe 10000 uF 50V hmm ???
also would that be nice : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC8-o1jm5Zo ?

damn I'm so slow in building anything  >:(

Offline Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #527 on: October 23, 2010, 10:43:53 PM »
Ring Twice?   Is that refering to how many cycles that we let hapen before we kickit again?

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #527 on: October 23, 2010, 10:43:53 PM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #528 on: October 23, 2010, 11:38:07 PM »
Here is a sim circuit that I just put up for Gyula on another thread.


It uses my precharge circuit from early on with the addition of a diode to let the inductors flywheel action pump a cap to higher voltage than the source, without the extra that is above the source voltage coming from the source, as I described it earlier.

Its a very simple circuit. If we hold the switch till the cap is full, all of the energy comes from the source, even if the cap is higher in voltage than the source, because of the inductors flywheel effect.

But lets say we release the switch when the cap is at 20v, the inductor is not done yet, flywheel action, and starts to pull the charge from the other side of the cap instead of the source, through the additional diode near the source.  The amount of energy to charge the cap to 20v in this manor is equal to charging the cap manually to 20v. But here we use the inductors inertia, to pump the cap to a higher voltage than the source AFTER cutting off the source,  anything higher than 20v in the cap is free. Guaranteedy.  =]

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #529 on: October 24, 2010, 01:05:46 AM »
Almost same setup I have on the desk right now(the triger is mosfet and timing is variable by me), and i can say: that intertia of the inductor will charge teh capacitor better (higer value) when you keep it flow acros batery like clasical joulthief, it suck more charges from the batery, tension of the batery+ tension on the inductor.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #530 on: October 24, 2010, 01:16:19 AM »
Mags,
Over here post # 24 from allcanadian
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=261.msg6042;topicseen#msg6042

Interesting excerpt

" Now if as many believe, the input must be equal to the output then why do I get two equal outputs from only one input?"
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Sounds like what you are saying?
 Their Trying to get a schem.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #531 on: October 24, 2010, 01:27:40 AM »
Almost same setup I have on the desk right now(the triger is mosfet and timing is variable by me), and i can say: that intertia of the inductor will charge teh capacitor better (higer value) when you keep it flow acros batery like clasical joulthief, it suck more charges from the batery, tension of the batery+ tension on the inductor.

very cool IWD

Can you show some pics?   All my stuff is in boxes.  It will probably be some of the first things I unpack. Soon.

Mags

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Offline IWD

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #532 on: October 24, 2010, 01:38:33 AM »
Well I do not have camera right now, so I can only post a scheme. so here it is. In that schema is already recorded another device which periodicaly dischrage the capactitor, for reason of automation.

-Now I am tested diferent coils, and it seems that the another diod do not have big influence, when I decrease the time of the pulse, the voltage on the capacitor is also smaler and smaler.Stil is best when you keep the pulse width, which cover all proces in the inductor.(like when you conect it manualy.)

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« Reply #533 on: October 24, 2010, 01:57:48 AM »
Hmmm IWD   I will have to look at this a bit to figure what is going on. 

I will give you a schematic of something you can try, and I will include the items you present to design it.

Thanks for the drawing.  everything counts.  =]

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #533 on: October 24, 2010, 01:57:48 AM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #535 on: October 24, 2010, 03:39:44 AM »
:) it is instructive, but explanation is easy, on the outuput of the bifiliar every time when you see a spark, is discharged a capacitance which is in bifilar coil very high in contras of inductance, point is: that output have lower discharge frequency than input because charging the capacitance take time, so we can say it is frequency transformer. But power is same or smaler on the output like on input.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #536 on: October 24, 2010, 12:48:38 PM »
Hi Mags,

Thanks for the circuit list, it works in the Falstad simulator (I have only the online version but it is ok) and gives indeed higher than 20V in the capacitor after the switch is off at near the 20V charging level.

I would like to suggest to replace the 20V source with a 15uF capacitor, precharged to 20V also and then see how the LC circuit swings energy...
Perhaps the LTSpice circuit simulator used by IWD could be a better choice for simulating it?  I included your Falstad schematic here for IWD in case he could enter it with a 15uF precharged cap instead of the 20V voltage source.  This way can get closer to the real behaviour of the interesting circuit, obviously the final proof is to build it and test.
Nevertheless, if LTSpice simulations give promising results and optimization is also performed in it by adjusting switch on time etc then hands-on tests are done more readily.  Use realistic loss resistor for the 1H or other value coil in the simulator.

Thanks,  Gyula


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #537 on: October 24, 2010, 01:26:17 PM »
Each

Step-Up-Converter
(Boost Power Stages)
is made this way.

only Choke  Diode Condensor and switch is needed.

(look Wikipediia or electronc forums.

NOT any Overunity.

The step up of volgage , bring the same (as losses) in amperages !!

The wattage (Energy will not amplified ! , tey will
allso lossing 5 to 15% typically)

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #538 on: October 24, 2010, 06:47:03 PM »
Hey Gyula

Ya know, adding that diode just came to me yesterday as we were posting each other. You are right about needing the resistance added for the inductor. Today I dont have much time, but will be back in the bench this week some time. It was just another idea that I have to add to all this.
I will be on the computer over the next few days till I get settled.

Hey Pese

The circuit was put up yesterday in another thread just to demonstrate that in reality, the collapsing field of a coil does not necessarily produce bemf. In order to produce bemf, the coils field would have to change polarity.  Like in an ac generator, as the field builds on the coil, a positive voltage increases to peak, then as the field declines, slow "collapse", the positive voltage declines to zero then when the field reverses, only then will we get a negative voltage. Make sense?   So how does the collapse if the field in a coil produce bemf?  ;]

Then I had the idea of if when we disconnect the source, how could we loop the circuit to let the coil continue to charge the cap further without the source.   Hence the looping diode.

Lets face it, even in a perfect world of inductors and caps, we still dont have overunity, in standard demonstrations, just unity, err infinite running.   So if in a perfect world, where the coils have no resistance, my circuit with the looping diode does show overunity. Thats a good start.

As I explained to Gyula yesterday,  lets say we were to charge the cap to 20v directly from the source, there would in theory be an equal transfer of energy, unity, same out as in.  But in my circuit, if the source is 20v and we cut off the source during the incline at 20v, and the inductor continues to pump the cap to a higher voltage   than the source, with the looping diode, that extra is free. 

I have a lot going on here with the move, but I am always thinking and visualizing as I go, multitasking. =]
As to how to utilize that extra is the key now.  Even if it were only 21v gotten to the cap via the loop, that 1 extra volt is free.  Any thing free is a good thing, no?  Im sure there is room for improvement.  =]

Im not saying this is Titos way, it is a form of energy amplification, even if it is .5% thus far, of which I am lowering it to that value of increase to show an example.

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #539 on: October 24, 2010, 08:02:21 PM »
hm...Mags, in reality the caps wil do not charge more when you open the switch, I test it. (even with another charged capacitor as source) I mean not more, than when you keep it without the diode, and leve the curent stop by himself. The LT spice simulator I am using only to make schematics and to confirm measured data from osciloscope. When you know how to set it, it is very precise simulation. But Reality is always original. So I say it once again, if you have let say batery 12v and conect capacitor in series with induction and diode, the capacitor will charge about 19-21 volt but in case when you use another diode and open the switch early before current stop by himself, the voltage will be smaler than 19v.
Only usefuly point is What to do next whit capacitor easily charged higer than source.

-one more thing, When you use charged capacitor to 20v as source instead using batery. that Lets say if second capacitor will have same capacity, then in best case you will have first capacitor almost empty let say about 1,4v and the second will have 18,4. Of course  you can end wit half votage on both capacitors or any other combination which depednd mostly on size of inductance in clasic case, or on time of opening switch on case presented by you,(in that case you can also end for example: first on -7v and second on 13v) It does not matter, because energy will be always same.In case which first capacitor will be bigger than second you can end with letsay, first on 15v and second on 30v. for example is first 15uf second 100n, but still is same energy with little loos.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2010, 08:49:10 PM by IWD »

 

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