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Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #420 on: October 04, 2010, 07:08:03 PM »
Hey   forgot to upload the code

The first is of forests circuit modified a bit as told above.

The second is of how the igniter circuit is done.  Remember the switch is in series with the primary and the cap, so when the cap gets charged by the inductor, the switch shorts the cap to the primary.  =]

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #421 on: October 05, 2010, 12:37:20 AM »

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #422 on: October 05, 2010, 12:45:40 AM »
Man that guy got some hairy arms,  but not a sprig on his head.      lol

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #423 on: October 05, 2010, 01:46:10 AM »
Sorry forest

Your circuit does the same function as the igniter..  It was different in config but the same. Just realized it.
 Good go forest.


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Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #424 on: October 05, 2010, 02:35:09 AM »
Well I looked at it a bit more, and there is a difference. The difference is that the primary is involved in series with the switch as the large inductor is charging, where as yours is not. But it might not be a bad way to go either way.
It is possible that having the primary involved with charging the large inductor, may prepare the primary for discharge by having some of an opposite polarity before the switch is closed. Dunno yet. Is Teslas way better?
I will try some things to see what haps.

This is an interesting variation.  Actually I looked back at the Popular Electronics article and it is the same as you show, using the SIDAC as the switch. I am experimenting tonight with some zeners as the switch.  i think they might work as they do in the sim, not great for this application. Will find out.  I tried to put 2 zeners in series to make a SIDAC, but Im not sure yet if it is the same.


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #425 on: October 05, 2010, 02:37:03 AM »
Hey Watts
I will give it a shot.  Any values on them parts?   Also, it looks to be a switch and a push button to the right of the battery?
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@Magluvin

To the right of the battery is just a master switch. The real magic is happening when that center one turns on and off. The top left coil should have a high inductance. The coil to the right of it is a primary of low inductance feeding the secondary. Both this primary and secondary are considered the "working circuit" part of Tesla's Ozone Patent. The capacitor should be around 47mf.

This simple Tesla circuit employs damped DC pulses and the return to source is incredible. This provides the 2 for 1 bang. This is the only circuit I have tried that has actually given me some serious shocks so if anyone tries it, be careful.

When you do your simulation like this, is there a way that you can save it and export it as an animated gif so you can put it on this thread while still having the animation working.

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #426 on: October 05, 2010, 04:14:23 AM »
Sometimes I see a circuit that is just oriented differently, and it takes me some time to say hey, thats the same circuit.   Your right Forest, the igniter and ozone are very similar. There is that difference that I described just a bit ago.

Actually I did not see Watts circuit as the same at all till now.  I assumed that the 2 coils inline as the primary, well I thought it was all primary from left to right with a center tap.  lol   I would not have assumed that the coil on the left was a large inductance compared to the right.

Either way, Forests circuit is what you are looking for. As to whether the Igniter will produce the same exact result is yet to be seen, but they have all the same ingredients and functions, all with the exception of the position of the cap and switch. If the switch is across the large inductor/source directly, it is Ozone. Now change positions in the circuit, the cap and switch, to where you have the cap across the large inductor/source, and you have the Igniter circuit.   Hmmm   when ever I looked at the ozone pat, I couldnt get a grip on it. But if this is it, they are very close to being the same.  The igniter was simpler to recognize the functions within the circuit.

I have a screen capture prog that i can try to make a lil vid, and if it is small enough, Ill post it. 300kb, aint much.
If I squeeze the components and move it close to a stacked scope shot, Ill try to fit it if all works well.

I will try to do a circuit with your 47mf (is that micro farad, or milli farad?) and see what can be had.


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Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #427 on: October 05, 2010, 04:58:45 AM »
Ok   made a small vid,  It is very short to qualify for upload. Hopefully it replays faster on post than in jet audio

Lets see

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Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #428 on: October 05, 2010, 05:00:07 AM »
Hmm   not the way I planned it.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #430 on: October 05, 2010, 08:38:04 AM »
keep lips  ;D

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #431 on: October 05, 2010, 09:37:33 AM »
I'm not sure how to understand coil polarization during disconnection. Assume we have charged coil from DC source of high current then we disconnect + from battery to coil and coil energy collapse. We know that coil tries to maintain current flow and become a source. What is the polarity of coil-source then ? Is that the same a battery so we have + on disconnected coil end and - on the other ?


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #432 on: October 05, 2010, 11:38:09 AM »
I'm not sure how to understand coil polarization during disconnection. Assume we have charged coil from DC source of high current then we disconnect + from battery to coil and coil energy collapse. We know that coil tries to maintain current flow and become a source. What is the polarity of coil-source then ? Is that the same a battery so we have + on disconnected coil end and - on the other ?

hi,

I think you have to consider voltage across the coil and current in the coil.

Voltage polarity flips across the coil after the moment of switching off the battery voltage.

Current polarity does not change, only it starts decreasing from its earlier value towards zero, depending on the load across the coil.
IF there is no load and the coil is left on its own, the energy in the coil starts swinging as in a LC tank circuit (the C is the coil's self capacitance) until losses dissipate all energy.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #433 on: October 05, 2010, 02:38:33 PM »
hi,

I think you have to consider voltage across the coil and current in the coil.

Voltage polarity flips across the coil after the moment of switching off the battery voltage.

Current polarity does not change, only it starts decreasing from its earlier value towards zero, depending on the load across the coil.
IF there is no load and the coil is left on its own, the energy in the coil starts swinging as in a LC tank circuit (the C is the coil's self capacitance) until losses dissipate all energy.

Gyula

Thank you.
I'm not sure if I understood but if I connect coil to DC battery, charge it with current then disconnect coil squeeze trapped electrons and become source of voltage in opposite orientation then battery yet electrons flow in the same direction but slowing due to difference in potential across coils ?
Then if we immediately connect coil back to source battery what would happen ?

Could it be that coil having higher voltage then battery would recharge battery back (minus some lost energy during disconnection time )  ? Maybe we should place a diode which will redirect trapped electrons from - side of coil back to - terminal of battery ? Hmm ..or from + side of coil ? Anyway we really do not need those electrons, let them return back to source.

I'm wondering if Tito would be so nice to help here.We have two choices:
1. Somehow return back electrons from coil to the source battery
2. Let them stuck inside coil so the next time coil is shorted it won't take much of them from battery

hmm..Tito place your bet ... :P 1 or 2





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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #434 on: October 05, 2010, 02:56:03 PM »
I don't know if we can trust in circuit simulation programs.  :-[

Check this simple circuit. It shows that when coil is disconnected it become the source of energy and electrons try to escape from it.If we place zener diode it sees higher voltage then a battery source and open.
IMHO it should be just a spike coming from coil to the battery but simulation shows that zener diode is open for a long long time and remain open at then end of current flow.Simulation also shows that curren flow still from battery through the open zener diode to the coil and not from coil.That's strange indedd if coil is a source of higher voltage then battery.
Personally I would throw away simulations  >:(