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iflewmyown

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #390 on: October 03, 2010, 05:45:46 PM »
What I have done below is very dangerous. Do not do it my way unless you work with these DC voltages every day and KNOW what you are doing.!!!!!!

Mags,
I did replicate your circuit this morning. I used 1200V 165A diodes with line voltage (120vac) rectified to full wave DC and 250mfd total oil filled motor run capacitors and a 130 vdc 2 hp motor to test your circuit. I used these components to minimize the percentage of voltage drop across the diodes. When I close the switch to the line the motors spins a couple revolutions one way ( this way I have to pay for) then when I move the switch the other way the motor spins the opposite way ( this time for free? ). I tried for a long time to get the simulator to run a relay in parallel with the resistor but it never would. This would allow the switch to be automated. I will build this in the shop now. Thanks for all your hard work.
Garry

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #391 on: October 03, 2010, 07:01:04 PM »
Hey Iflew
Very cool. If you add a few switches to reverse the polarity(for the dc motor) of the cap, the motor will always go in the same direction.  I had suggested an AC motor to make the switching as simple as the circuit shown. and if the relay can handle the current and operate around 60hz, we should be able to run the motor at half the power needed normally. Many modern motors run nearly 90%eff.   So if we can do it correctly, we should be able to get well above 100% eff.    I will not speculate from here till I test and know anything solid.

I experimented a bit yesterday, and I also see that the cap, transformer(or what ever load ) need a balance, as in cap not too small, etc.  It seems to work better if the cap and load are matched. Like and LRC, some values give varying results.

I dug out my AC induction fan (from a microwave oven, just the cooling fan) for todays play.

Thanks for the info on your experiments, and please keep us updated Iflew.  And be careful.  =]

I also started an lrc setup of my first circuit. Im going low power, using diodes and other parts that are available locally as that anyone will be able to put it together at a reasonable cost and technical knowledge.

I know that some are looking more towards HV cap discharges and white spikes coming off of door knobs in the next room, but Energy Amplification can be in any amount, as long as we get more out than in.

Just as in your experiment above Iflew, you charged a cap, and once charged the energy in that cap is related to the voltage it holds. That voltage and charge capability, had to flow through the motor, to get that charge, and we got work done, Now we can get very close to the same work done from the cap alone, and start the cycle over.  Simple,  The reason I say "very close"  is, we may get some variance due to the source being part of the circuit during our power from source cycle.


Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #392 on: October 03, 2010, 07:06:03 PM »
Oh Yeah   Iflew?   Can you show your circuit in the sim you had trouble with, maybe we can help. =]

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #393 on: October 03, 2010, 07:47:55 PM »
I agree. There are two issues needed :

1. effective charging of capacitor,instantly recharging the missing little charge
2. very fast taking part of energy from capacitor using not much charge from it
3. by 2 we generate very big magnetic field very abruptly disconnected so collapse is very fast and produce high difference of voltage
4. we repeat 2 while capacitor is immediately recharged by magic method using coil (I'm not sure how it works but a few videos indicate it is possible, maybe if capacitor sees a different potentials between terminals it immediately charge?)
5 energy gain is in collapse of magnetic field abruptly cut
6. some says that that collapse should be doped with HV discharge as per kapanadze but I doubt it is something different, it's just another method to shake magnetic field  which I do not understand yet

This is an effect like when arrow or proper length and elasticity knock in a wood shield with a loud "brrrm" sound due to oscillations of air. It happen not always but when speed and other parameters are correct and I suppose it happen when arrow speed is at max peak just before it knock in the wood...

there   are probably all or most of the puzzles but not arranged yet into any working idea and still missing part is the output and all related
I may be mistaken ,surely I don't know how coil of self-induction works : does it recharge capacitor or rather allow for very short spike from capacitor so do not discharging it (Bearden idea of S-Flow and degenerate semiconductor) or maybe both ?

Tito, do you know which way coil work ?



Disruptive discharge can be tried by anyone, and I think you will see door knobs spark if done right.   

For example, if you charge a cap of small farad to 50kv and discharge it into a large inductance, many turns and finer wire, the intial inrush wont happen as we need. But dump the cap into only a few turns of very stout wire, you will get a huge field pulse. Now if you have a secondary inside that coil, it will receive that pulse with a vengeance, whether it just produces a spark from end to end, or is controlled properly and stored for use.

In automotive, capacitive discharge ignition works the same, but not air core.  The primary is stout, but the secondary is of large inductance.  Maybe an MSD ignition system would be a good experimental device.  But make your own coils.  My suggestion would be to have a primary the same as what is in the coil recommended for the MSD module, and secondary can be the experiment, just be sure to have the secondary inside the primary, as this seems to be the common way, even in an ignition spark coil.   =]   The reason I say to use the same primary as the presrcibed coil, is that it is most likely matched to the MSD modules cap discharge.

This is all just ideas, so play at your own risk. 


So the secret I imagine is getting that cap charged easily.  The rest is just transformer.

Was thinking about my first circuit, and Im seeing that we can induce the LRC with a primary over the LRC coil and pulse the primary.  But Im not there yet.

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #394 on: October 03, 2010, 07:56:50 PM »
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So the secret I imagine is getting that cap charged easily.  The rest is just transformer.

I agree.
I mean it is what Tito described (I believe)  : how to convert one kick into many
but it's only part of secret

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #395 on: October 03, 2010, 08:16:55 PM »
Whether Tito hands over any solid info is but to be seen.  I think that the references to Tesla and what he discovered, and the Ice Stone are needed to be found.  I Have read a lot, but it seems tesla dicovered many things, which one?

Dont worry forest, I think we are beginning to pick up steam here and others are joining in, and many are watching.


Im not trying to go off on a tangent with new ideas, these things just pop in my head. So I tell as they are interesting.

Ok   time for lunch and back to the bench.

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #396 on: October 03, 2010, 08:28:14 PM »
Just a quip

What if in Teslas Peirce Arrow, 80hp ac induction motor, and a tiny cap across its leads, and give it kicks.
Would the LC oscillate? Would the AC motor run while oscillating?   

If a pendulum looses distance with each swing, a tiny kick on each cycle, will enable the pen to increase in height.

That kick needs to happen when the pen reaches top of the climb and stops. The smallest amount of kick will add to the system.

Ok lunch.

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #397 on: October 03, 2010, 08:45:56 PM »
Just a quip

What if in Teslas Peirce Arrow, 80hp ac induction motor, and a tiny cap across its leads, and give it kicks.
Would the LC oscillate? Would the AC motor run while oscillating?   

If a pendulum looses distance with each swing, a tiny kick on each cycle, will enable the pen to increase in height.

That kick needs to happen when the pen reaches top of the climb and stops. The smallest amount of kick will add to the system.

Ok lunch.

Mags





The LC(R), will not oscillate if no power will comes additionally
to  fill up all power-losses !!


2.

If you will take out Power from
the LC resonating circuit ..
(equally over transorming coil or mechanical via motor rotation.
IT IS NECESSARY . To put (at minimum!) equivalent POWER as
INPUT to the Circuit device.

3.
ALSO TESLA have take an "extern" power in his "Pierce Arrow"
Car, even he have not explained the "working" of the 1,80mtr
Antenna , and not of the used Vacuum tubes.

Gustav Pese

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #398 on: October 03, 2010, 09:05:57 PM »
Just a quip

What if in Teslas Peirce Arrow, 80hp ac induction motor, and a tiny cap across its leads, and give it kicks.
Would the LC oscillate? Would the AC motor run while oscillating?   

If a pendulum looses distance with each swing, a tiny kick on each cycle, will enable the pen to increase in height.

That kick needs to happen when the pen reaches top of the climb and stops. The smallest amount of kick will add to the system.

Ok lunch.

Mags

You can put a capacitor across a motor and it will oscillate, some what. It will make the motor more efficient. What it does is change the phase between the current and the voltage. It's a very common concept. It's known as "Power Factor Correction".

Magluvin

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« Reply #399 on: October 03, 2010, 09:29:35 PM »
I know that there needs to be supplemental energy to keep the motor running.

1  We cannot leave out the possibility that the motor was not modified.
     We all should know that a bifilar coil creates a stronger field than a normal coil of the same wire and total length and resistance. If you wind a nail with 100 turns of 20 awg wire  then another nail with 2 of the same wire, 50 turns each alternating eachother, total of 100 turns, put those 2 coils in series from opposite ends, each nail will read the same ohms. And will pull the same from the source. But the bifi will have a much stronger field.  Try it.  And what of trifi?  Quadfi?  Teets claims Trifi.
If we could take any motor that runs 90%eff(some are better ;]), and rewind it bifi or trifi, will we be over 100% eff if what I said above is true?

2  One of the stories of the few about that car, there was a single 12v battery in the car. Others there were not.
    If it were in the car, lets say that the lights needed power, horn, box of 12 tubes and resistors under the dash?
    Not to say that the battery was not replenished as needed by the system. Maybe it is the SPRING of his design, as to one of my circuits above that eventually no power comes from the source, but as the circuit continues working, the source SPRING is still necessary to allow the circuit to continue.  Just speculating. =]

There are many ways we can go with this.  But Tesla was all about efficiency, and beyond.  If that car existed, you can guaranty that the AC motor was of his design, and maybe  1 of a kind.  I lean toward bifi mods if I had to lay my Aces on the table.  Lol  I wonder if those rods pushed into the box were tuned for delay in the box, if they were iron. Or the C of the lrc.   
remember what Teets said once, I use coil for coil, coil for capacitance, coil for resistor,  well there is resistance in a coil and in the leads of which all need to be added as the whole to come up with the R in lrc.  So an LC circuit could have a good R value without additional resistors. And The coil coild have a good C value if designed properly.

But hey,  these are just my thoughts not my claims.  Stuff to examine and work towards. Some new some old. =]

Mags

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« Reply #400 on: October 03, 2010, 09:41:27 PM »
Thanks Angs

Lets say that we get a bit more out of the motor by skipping the input during a few oscillations and then kick it again.  =]   If the first few oscillations are of good qualities, we may be able to reduce the input by just as much.  I believe that input should be timely to the oscillations polarity.


Iflew

1 thought.  Once you get it going, the switching circuit that is, the value of the cap will need to be enough so that during on times of switching, you want the cap to be fully charged and fully discharged.

Smaller the cap, the shorter the switch time.   

When you did your experiment above, the motor spins a few times. Does it seem like a descent start for that cap?
Like if it had a few more bursts really quick, does it seem as if it would come up to a good running speed?

Good luck  =]

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #401 on: October 03, 2010, 09:46:13 PM »
Tesla used the 12volt battery only
for the car-electric (lightning enz.)
possibly also need, for the electronic,
heating the tubes
(but there was type with 70volts filament
heating voltages !! Very mysteriosly!)

The car battery was not used for driving the
car motor or to use  to charge power for the motor.

Pese

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #402 on: October 03, 2010, 10:05:14 PM »
Well Pese    None of us can say anything for sure.   

The antenna is interesting, as we have the length. Would that not correspond to the freq of operation in some way?
Could the story have been modified , by the "S" people, some where along the way and it should really be 1.93m  ?
We cannot say at all for sure.   I had seen on Rex website that they did a calculation on that, but I was not sure they went about that calculation properly.  "s" people?   lol   Something just seemed misleading to me, i may be wrong.

From Tesla, what we have available are just the seeds, his later work that we dont have are the icing on the seed cake.

Mags
« Last Edit: October 03, 2010, 10:31:34 PM by Magluvin »

Tito L. Oracion

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« Reply #403 on: October 04, 2010, 03:56:37 AM »
Wow everyone. GREAT JOB!  ;D

I'm very happy for what is happening here in this thread though i'm not receiving anything.

I hope in my own little way of disgusted answers help you little awake in my simple discovery.

To everyone that i made you feel bad, so soooooory ok.  :)

i missed one person here = panos matragas (a.k.a.) bart#$%@#^ your absent!    ;D

To what i had read , i can say that you can now stand half of your foot guys and i'm very proud of that.  :D

I'm sorry guys but i have to leave you now in the road.   :(

Mags, Forest, chet are already there to guide you ok. your really a good guys bro. salute you.  ;)

Sir wattsup and sir pese thanks for the very good post where i learned a lot ok.  :)
 
Tesla used battery just for a stable source, and as what i always say is , just to minimize or save some modules.


Forest  : Tito, do you know which way coil work ?
answer : why our fingers do not same in size but when they do the job, they work perfectly. :D

A lot of people trying to see me looking any info in me, hahahaha, i'm not stupid to do that ok. i'm not just just hahaha  ;D


P.S. I am now concentrating in my singing career, cause i see some free
      energy in my throat, hahaha  ;D

Anyway GOD BLESS all of you my brother.

THE BEST EVER TIP I COULD GIVE TO ALL OF YOU
Here is what i want you to do if you really care for everyone.
Accept JESUS CHRIST as your personal savior and if you want to go further then read the BIBLE and always try to watch Charles Stanley's preaching.

Real repentance is the key to salvation of our soul.  :)


TILL THEN:  Merry Christmass! love you all!  ;D

Asta la Vista bro!
Tito L. Oracion  ;D

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #404 on: October 04, 2010, 05:21:17 AM »
Wow everyone. GREAT JOB!  ;D

I'm very happy for what is happening here in this thread though i'm not receiving anything.

I hope in my own little way of disgusted answers help you little awake in my simple discovery.

To everyone that i made you feel bad, so soooooory ok.  :)

i missed one person here = panos matragas (a.k.a.) bart#$%@#^ your absent!    ;D

To what i had read , i can say that you can now stand half of your foot guys and i'm very proud of that.  :D

I'm sorry guys but i have to leave you now in the road.   :(

Mags, Forest, chet are already there to guide you ok. your really a good guys bro. salute you.  ;)

Sir wattsup and sir pese thanks for the very good post where i learned a lot ok.  :)
 
Tesla used battery just for a stable source, and as what i always say is , just to minimize or save some modules.


Forest  : Tito, do you know which way coil work ?
answer : why our fingers do not same in size but when they do the job, they work perfectly. :D

A lot of people trying to see me looking any info in me, hahahaha, i'm not stupid to do that ok. i'm not just just hahaha  ;D


P.S. I am now concentrating in my singing career, cause i see some free
      energy in my throat, hahaha  ;D

Anyway GOD BLESS all of you my brother.

THE BEST EVER TIP I COULD GIVE TO ALL OF YOU
Here is what i want you to do if you really care for everyone.
Accept JESUS CHRIST as your personal savior and if you want to go further then read the BIBLE and always try to watch Charles Stanley's preaching.

Real repentance is the key to salvation of our soul.  :)


TILL THEN:  Merry Christmass! love you all!  ;D

Asta la Vista bro!
Tito L. Oracion  ;D

Well Teets, I have seen you say you will go away a few times, but ya keep coming back.  ;]

I think what we have here as a whole has a lot of experimental value.  I am getting my rotor, that I usually use, as a voltage source for my cap discharge..   In one of my YT vids, I charged a cap well above 100v very easily with a spin of the wheel.  I chose this method for my own reasons and I get that voltage charge easily that way. Caveman Special  =]  Now I have found a device that is called a "voltage switch".  SIDAC.  You pick the voltage that you want it to come on and she does until the voltage is lower. I found out about it in and old, April 1999 Popular electronics mag in an article on how to produce high voltage easily.  A very interesting device, of which I think the zener could work also, not sure.  Im checking them out now.

I would print the article but I dont have permission


Mags