After messing with the circuit, I see that when the cap gets charged, when the zener dumps, it is also pulling from the cap charging transformer, through the normal diode, and causing some serious input power issues.

I am not sure this is what we want.

Another reason I say this, Teets said in the latest tips,  coil caps diode zener and relay.  Well if the relay is the cap dumper then where does the zener go?  Is it just used to skim off of the top instead?  But then again, the zener has something to do with the spark gap portion, as teets claimed to me.

We have to think of something whacky.   

Im thinkin and Im a bit whacky!  ;]    I gota eat.

Magshungry

Well Glad to hear I can be funny.  =]

Ok boys, we have a new ingredient,  Aluminum plate     Man, this isnt going to get easier is it.

Ok hungrytits    I gota ask, and I know that the answer is going to be, well, just the way you always answer.

You say coil caps diodes  zener diode   Can you at minimum tell us how many of each would be required? Its confusing when you just say coil  and then extra coil, so that would imply 2, or more.   Not the values, but at least how many of each would be in the circuit.   Cuz like there could be 10 diodes in series, somewhere, and Im not asking where.  If we just at least had a component count, it would be of great assistance.  And now we have an aluminum plate. Not asking what for, but is it necessary.   Wut do ya say? Can we get this party started?  ;]

And for all

I did a bit of tuning, but I cannot say the out is totally more than the in. I put a cap on the primary of the input transformer to try and limit the input power while still getting quality output, and it helped reduce the amount of power getting from the input transformer to the output transformer.  Im not convinced that this is how its done.

But have a looky    The first scope is of the pulse gen directly to be sure of power consumed, and it shows the + and - power also.  Does that mean that the - power is power being input to it from bemf?  dunno, but the last 2 scopes are of the zener and the ouput load resistor. The zener seems to be consuming most of the output, but it plus the itty bitty resistor power look to be more than consumed input.

Mags and the 3kv zener    I have not even looked to see if they exist yet. Im afraid if they do. =]

Well Glad to hear I can be funny.  =]

Ok boys, we have a new ingredient,  Aluminum plate     Man, this isnt going to get easier is it.

Ok hungrytits    I gota ask, and I know that the answer is going to be, well, just the way you always answer.

You say coil caps diodes  zener diode   Can you at minimum tell us how many of each would be required? Its confusing when you just say coil  and then extra coil, so that would imply 2, or more.   Not the values, but at least how many of each would be in the circuit.   Cuz like there could be 10 diodes in series, somewhere, and Im not asking where.  If we just at least had a component count, it would be of great assistance.  And now we have an aluminum plate. Not asking what for, but is it necessary.   Wut do ya say? Can we get this party started?  ;]

And for all

I did a bit of tuning, but I cannot say the out is totally more than the in. I put a cap on the primary of the input transformer to try and limit the input power while still getting quality output, and it helped reduce the amount of power getting from the input transformer to the output transformer.  Im not convinced that this is how its done.

But have a looky    The first scope is of the pulse gen directly to be sure of power consumed, and it shows the + and - power also.  Does that mean that the - power is power being input to it from bemf?  dunno, but the last 2 scopes are of the zener and the ouput load resistor. The zener seems to be consuming most of the output, but it plus the itty bitty resistor power look to be more than consumed input.

Mags and the 3kv zener    I have not even looked to see if they exist yet. Im afraid if they do. =]

ok! in my latest experiment and that is experiment #12, I just use 3 blanks, 2 diodes, 2 caps and i got succeed in a controllable voltage i want.
 
note in this setup there is : no coil, no extra coil, no pulsing, no transformer.

This is very simple but dangerous in nature.   

in experiment #11 i made use of 1 primary 2 extra coil, 12 diodes  a computer fan  a lot of coils. bulky in nature thats why i'm not satisfied. so i made an improvement. but no spark gap, with silent explosion tech.

in exp #10 i used 4 zeners, 5 electrolytic caps, 2 diodes, alternate switching tech, with improved spark gap tech. with lots of bulky transformer

in exp #9 input is signal from atmosphere then amplified using 3 coils and 4
       caps. its like a tpu.

and the other previous experiments are just an improvement of different inventions of our fellow experimenters, i'm not interested with those. just made them for fun.

note in all: no free energy to all designs if the tesla energy amplifier is missing!
               I think the right term for it is "Controllable Uncontrolled Spontaneous action"
               
              It is like driving a car thousand times heavy than your weight, but by using a little energy, you can able to drive it where ever you want it to go ok.

i just made use of aluminum for safety reason and make the spark be divert and hit it.


p.s. forest your a threat 
               

Hmmm   teets Im surprised from your statement that you lied to forest. 

That kinda has us all sitting here wondering what is truth in your statements.

Not trying to be mean here,   But lets say we were room mates in an apartment and I told you how I took 10 dollars from my last room mate from his wallet.   Would you start distrusting me as a room mate? Would you hide your wallet from there on?  Get it?

Forest does not deserve that, he just wants to heat his house because he is cold. I dont find threat in that.

Anyway, I hope you are not misleading us, otherwise there are a lot of people putting a lot of time money and effort, trying to do what you propose.

And thanks for answering my question.  =]    But can I trust that info?   Really?

And to all

I am going to go back to my original LRC with the series diode regulator strips.  I got a bit distracted by Neives circuit. Not that it is not a possibility, but I see better things in my first circuits.  No zeners for now, unless I see a potential for them as I continue.

I was messing with parallel LRC last night, but input power, some of of it gets involved with the load directly, and Im not liking it so far.

My weekend is free so Ill be working on this with a vengence!  ;\        =]

Mags

I thought on Teet's last post today, as one part of it I posted before this.

The other parts were the answers to my question. Now granted, I had to take it to heart that Teets is being truthful in order to come up with any conclusions on his tips of component count.

The first was  # 12  3 blanks 2 caps and 2 diodes       Blanks?    hmm     Zeners?   Coils, just not specified?  Relays while using the coils built in?  Ion receiver plates?  why 3?      Quarts crystals plated with platinum?

Maybe 3 pancakes 2 caps and 2 diodes on the side.   Thats where I am with that at the moment.  =]
The 3 blanks, does not fill the criteria of the question, so this answer is kinda bogus.
 
# 11    1 primary   2 extra coils   12 diodes   computer fan   and a lot of coils     Yep sounds bulky, no caps, maybe we leave that for later.   No real idea other than maybe a half wave operation of my first circuits diode strips.

I just dont see much there on that one. Not that it would not be important to know it, of the so many ways to get fe ;]   But, I feel confident to say that the possibility that my diode strip circuits and such, brought Teets out for a "Its For The World" statement" in lieu of his contribution here.      So I think some of what I have shown is close. I dont get the many coils, and I remember him saying it a while back.   Would it be that you have a pulsating coil setup and receivers(many coils) that, stacking the coils "electrically" series parallel  whatever, Stacked, and when placed around the Transmiter, the total out is more than in?  This would be scalar, yes?
Still here, failure to give no. of the many coils fails the criteria of the question.

# 10   4 zeners, 5 electrolytic caps, 2 diodes, alternate switching tech, with improved spark gap tech. with lots of bulky transformer
The 4 zeners are interesting.   Series or parallel.  That he need not answer, as that would not be within the criteria of answering the question. ;]    But I would venture to say that maybe in parallel, that even if the zener voltages tolerances were close, that the one that gets triggered first, would pull the voltage down as to not let the others switch on, due to their zener voltage was never reached due to the one pulling the voltage down when it turned on.  Now, If he said also 4 resistors, then I could confidently say, yea, like an led with resistors on each, all will conduct at approximately the same time. Where 4 blue or white leds, at 4v drop, with only 1 resistor to limit their currents, and the leds are in parallel, only one should light, maybe 2.   The first one on pulls down the voltage and the others get nothing.  The one with the lowest on voltage(voltage drop) gets it all. 

Series sounds more reasonable, to increase the zener voltage of the total in series.   I would put my money on series unless they are used individually throughout the circuit.
Other than that, his answer had no component count on the bulky transformers. So , I cannot comment any further.  Criteria of question was not met =]


#9 input is signal from atmosphere then amplified using 3 coils and 4
caps. its like a tpu.

Just 3 coils  4 caps  ?   No antenna? No Wire?   No coil?  No diodes?  No controller box?  We have a TPU champion here folks.
I cannot comment any further on this one other than maybe it can be built and run resistive or inductive loads that use these kind of energies. 


And what Ram said,  Im not feeling bad about what I stated to Teeto about forest. I was making a point of how what he said reflects on all here.   It would have been better to pm Forest about it if he were really sorry   I feel a bit distrustful at this time, a bit, and for good reason. But I am willing to go on from here and listen, but I am wary.  Im not stupid.
Sorry Teets   We reap what we sew.   Hopefully there will be no more fibs in your posts Teets.
Its not nice to mislead.  Many here, not all, consider you a leader of sorts, waiting maybe weeks to see if you have posted the things that you said you would.   Hey I didnt say that you would, you did.

Thanks again for the answers. They are a mystery as usual.  As I said that they might be when I asked the question. ;/     =]     But any little bit helps, as long as it is true.    So be True Teets. Ya dont have to give anything, but if ya do, be fair.   Deal?


Ok  all for tonight

Mags

Are you saying that if we have a pulse circuit to slowly build a charge in a cap, like a camera flash circuit, litle buts of current at a time, that the input used over that time will be less than the output of the cap? Add extra coils?  Rolling Stones,  I like them, Shes my little rock and roll.

Mags

 

sorry guys.