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Author Topic: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION  (Read 2391979 times)

Offline forest

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #330 on: September 28, 2010, 07:41:28 PM »
Don't know if I have this right or wrong.

If you use a zenor diode on the flyback line that returns to source, the flyback will have to load the zenor to a minimal level before the zenor opens. Flyback is usually a very reactive energy form showing high volts but minimal amps so maybe the zenor is recompressing the reactive energy to a more usable recharge energy.


almost, remember what Tesla said : we could have many currents flowing in circuit simultaneously and even in the same wire !

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #330 on: September 28, 2010, 07:41:28 PM »

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #331 on: September 28, 2010, 08:35:26 PM »
Oh    what is a CRON?     Teets?     I looked it up but not getting notable results in search.

Mags
Since Tito once mentioned, he's a computer science student, it woudn't be unusual for him to use a computer science nomenclature. Here is one example: http://www.scrounge.org/linux/cron.html

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #332 on: September 28, 2010, 09:08:55 PM »
Towards zener diode as sparg gap:
As voltage rise the zener diode begin open up and the current rise too, but when the possible source is not able to give more current, the diode stop opening and stay open on some level, where the current from source is able to keep the voltage. (stabilize) but always is passing som little current thru even with voltage about 1-2 volts.(always is acting like big resistor) so ..is no way to close the diod.
Simply told by: when the input voltage drops, even just little, the resistivity of diode or transil rise at once.
The component named "transil" can operate at higher open voltage and can works with bigger current, also used for stabilizing voltage, but he have much sharper VoltAamper charakteristic, and  have zero current until is open voltage very close. Ont he other hand...
About sparg gap we can say he have infinite resistance until arch is sparked, (until the dielectricum are perfored) till then is acting like small capacitor.
But we can say the arch have intertia, in time when is sparked, it does not matter on voltage on the input, and the ionized gas will create very conductive path, his resistivity is even little increase in time.
So almost all current aviable from source (kapacitor or output of transformer) is moved, which is not possible with any semiconductor, very close is mosfet transitors, and many people have thinking it is sufficient.(we all see the big spikes on osciloskope)
So, for disruptive discharge is probably better relay, or there is not going about disruptive discharge.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #332 on: September 28, 2010, 09:08:55 PM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #333 on: September 29, 2010, 01:15:06 AM »
Just a thought
What about using a cap and zener to give the wave shape instead of spark gap. Titos silent spark gap.
Gsm

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #334 on: September 29, 2010, 04:33:16 AM »
Holly Zenor Batman.

I know that when you put your volt meter on a battery, you will read the voltage, let's say 3 volts, but when you short the battery terminals, the volt meter will read zero volts. So if you put a 3v zenor in series with a coil and a 3v battery, that coil should pulse. The zenor sees the 3 volts, closes hence shorts the coil and the battery where the voltage falls to zero volts and the zenor opens and the cycle starts again. Could it be that simple.

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« Reply #334 on: September 29, 2010, 04:33:16 AM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #335 on: September 29, 2010, 04:43:00 AM »
Oh    what is a CRON?     Teets?     I looked it up but not getting notable results in search.

Mags

I'm going with Copper iRON cause that's been my kick lately. ;D

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #336 on: September 29, 2010, 06:21:52 AM »
Hey Watts
Thats an interesting theory. But can a zener absorb that current? Well, common little ones anyway. Also would this constitute a disruptive discharge as compared to what we might believe we need? Or just an oscillator?
But i get your drift and its a good one. 

These are the ways we have to think. Tesla didnt just give it all away.  I imagine many have read and investigated his stuff for years, and probably only a handful in comparison saw the light.
So if we pick it apart, tip by tip, we will get there.

Zener zener zener,    what if the zener is just in an on state when the relay is on and the discharge ends at 3v, before it gets to zero?  But above there was a statement that the zener still conducts some below threshold. Will have to try and see.  From my experience with them, they are used to stop spikes above the zener voltage and as regulation devices, like after a resistor to hold the output at 5v steady.
But even if it were inline, would power be coming back through the zener? being that it is a diode from another mother.  =]

When I asked Teets about the zener /sparkgap, I had looked up some and there are some big ones.  And teets said they can take a lot of voltage, if that was correct in saying.   Riddles. He also said that he wasnt using zeners anymore but instead was using caps.  ?    Remember cap gap?  I had thought spike arestor. But I think they are 1 shot devices.   
But if we can get the zener working, Ill be good with that, and so will all of you, im sure. ;] Then we can try to graduate to cap gaps.

As Forest says, "something better"   well a relay is good as long as the sparks are directed away from the contacts.  I have put some circuits together that I could not fully eliminate all the sparking from the contacts and some that I could.   But Teets says 11 years, so. 

Now that I think about it, maybe in those contact burning circuits, it wasnt bemf crossing the contacts gaps, it could very well have been femf from the coil the switch was breaking contact from.  Like in my precharge circuit above that charges a cap to near twice the source.  hmm,  thats why my diodes in series with the contacts didnt help, because the current was allowed by the diode, cus it wasnt bemf.  I always wondered about that.  Now I know.

Still working on it

Mags



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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #336 on: September 29, 2010, 06:21:52 AM »
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Offline e2matrix

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #337 on: September 29, 2010, 07:15:17 AM »
Holly Zenor Batman.

I know that when you put your volt meter on a battery, you will read the voltage, let's say 3 volts, but when you short the battery terminals, the volt meter will read zero volts. So if you put a 3v zenor in series with a coil and a 3v battery, that coil should pulse. The zenor sees the 3 volts, closes hence shorts the coil and the battery where the voltage falls to zero volts and the zenor opens and the cycle starts again. Could it be that simple.
Sounds easy enough to try if you have a Zener.   Looking .....

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #338 on: September 29, 2010, 07:26:03 AM »
Hey Slaps
So wutcha doin with the crons?    I had seen some things using copper and iron wire, but never tried.
I understand that there is a delay in iron, and I remember the reverb boxes with the long iron springs for the delay line.

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #338 on: September 29, 2010, 07:26:03 AM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #339 on: September 29, 2010, 07:32:00 AM »
I tried the zener cap and source in the sim. I didnt get any oscillation. Source was 5v, and zener starts at 5.6. As I edited the zener, it just showed the current increasing as the zener voltage was lowered. I had a resistor inline also so that the zener would see a drop, cuz I dont think the source has a current limiter, thus resistor.

I was hoping for some crazy thing to happen. =]

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #340 on: September 29, 2010, 10:36:58 AM »
  oh boy! a lot of good points   :o

There are times that we want only to permit voltage to pass just for the purpose of addition, cause sometimes current is not important and it plays a destructive force.

Yes! qwert your correct! your a good reader!  >:(

IWD : good!

forest says DAMN CLOSE!
         
Since we are now very close to the truth,
 i think lets just talk about Bedini project. ha!ha!ha!ha! ;D

There are lots of genius here i think i must be very careful.  ;D


remember: i have now 12 different designs of free energy and i am telling all of them here, only in jumble manner sorry.  :(

BUT THEY POSSESS ONE COMMON CIRCUIT AND THAT IS THE AMPLIFICATION technique.

 
Everyone ok!: used the YIN and YANG technique to dissipate a strong energy and instead used it in
                   divertion! now don't get mad ok?

       ;D  ;D  ;D
« Last Edit: September 29, 2010, 11:03:23 AM by Tito L. Oracion »

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Offline forest

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #341 on: September 29, 2010, 12:25:26 PM »
"In Chinese philosophy, the concept of yin yang ([yin – simplified Chinese: 阴; traditional Chinese: 陰; pinyin: yīn] [yang - simplified Chinese: 阳; traditional Chinese: 陽; pinyin: yáng] sometimes referred to in the west as yin and yang) is used to describe how polar or seemingly contrary forces are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, and how they give rise to each other in turn."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

Yin Yang example
"A zener diode contains a heavily doped p-n junction allowing electrons to tunnel from the valence band of the p-type material to the conduction band of the n-type material, such that the reverse voltage is “clamped” to a known value (called the zener voltage), and avalanche does not occur"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diode




" A medium which would merely 
crack when strained electrostatically—and this possibly might be the 
case with a perfect vacuum, that is, pure ether—would involve a very 
small loss in the gap, so small as to be entirely negligible, at least 
theoretically, because a crack may be produced by an infinitely small 
displacement. (...)" To return to the ideal 
medium; think, for the sake of illustration, of a piece of glass or similar 
body clamped in a vice, and the latter tightened more and more.  At a 
certain point a minute increase of the pressure will cause the ;glass to 
crack.  The loss of energy involved in splitting the glass may be  practically nothing, for though the force is great, the displacement need 
be but extremely small.  Now imagine that the glass would possess the 
property of closing again perfectly the crack upon a minute diminution of 
the pressure.  This is the way the dielectric in the discharge space 
should behave.  But inasmuch as there would be always some loss in the 
gap, the medium, which should be continuous should exchange through 
the gap at a rapid rate.  In the preceding example, the glass being 
perfectly closed, it would mean that the dielectric in the discharge space 
possesses a great insulating power; the glass being cracked, it would 
signify that the medium in the space is a good conductor.  The dielectric 
should vary enormously in resistance by minute variations of the E. M. F. 
across the discharge space. "

 Nikola Tesla "ON LIGHT   AND OTHER HIGH FREQUENCY PHENOMENA  "

So,we have it now.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #342 on: September 29, 2010, 01:51:20 PM »
Instead of Zener, can I use an avalanche diode?


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« Reply #343 on: September 29, 2010, 02:18:36 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_voltage_suppression_diode  ;D

Who now propose modification to Tesla igniter patent ? I'm trying and trying but every circuit has a flaw... :-\

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #344 on: September 29, 2010, 02:22:10 PM »
This is interesting : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowbar_%28circuit%29
I heard that Edwin Gray used thyratron

P.S. I hope you have the feeling of idea ? me too,however I doubt it is alone OU  :D

 

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