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Author Topic: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION  (Read 3509923 times)

forest

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #315 on: September 27, 2010, 09:26:42 AM »
GOOD DAY!  ;D


Well, i must admit that you're all doing a great job!.

though your work seems so complicated to me, but still good.  :)

we actually need only coil, caps, diode, zdiode and relay to complete the working device that will last for 11 years :)
 

Note: A.) Electricity is dual in one "CRON". so separate them then, Walla, we have controllable 
              energy!
        B.) We can actually re-use the collapsing magnetic field to make an extremely strong magnetic
              field. 
 
remember: how the nature work as tesla say about the rolling stone ice.

I think the next time i return here is, i will just congratulate all of you.

bye!

;D

Eh Tito! Still so mysterious ?   This is basic Tesla method of conversion with one clever trick. The every try here and in youtube is missing what Tesla stressed -  break at the peak of the wave ! not before not after not longer!!! You would ask : "but in DC we have no wave " ?? think about it what remain!?

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #316 on: September 27, 2010, 09:31:14 AM »
Simple is what we need and simple works great. Replace the transistor with a spark gap... like in Tesla times...
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/reson.html

forest

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #317 on: September 27, 2010, 09:58:00 AM »
Simple is what we need and simple works great. Replace the transistor with a spark gap... like in Tesla times...
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/reson.html

NO NO NO

not transistor, something else  ;)

P.S.  damn close

forest

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #318 on: September 27, 2010, 10:28:21 AM »
Something like that. Just replace spark gap with appropriate part.
There is no load at output here. I doubt any simulation will help.Does it properly simulate BEMF with total responding of parts ?

ramset

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #319 on: September 28, 2010, 02:14:09 AM »
SSsssooo Mags,
Hows Tings??

Chet

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #320 on: September 28, 2010, 04:24:11 AM »
Tings?   I hoid some tings!

Baa   had people over this weekend and just couldnt get down to it.

Actually just really sitting down now to do some work.   Time is of the essence.    I just aint had no essence.  lol

Im still fired up about this.  Heck i spent almost a year tinkerin with Whipmag, after most others had a year in already.
Its funny, in the end we may say, wow, is it that simple?  I am beginning to to get a feel for these circuits.
For a bit I was just tossin diodes and coils on every leg. Just to see what it would do.

But now down to the switching.   I am going to go the route that Tito proposes using a relay.  He also said zener diode and has said it before.  I had asked him once, on a whim, if he was using a zener in place of a spark gap, and he said YES.   But it was a whim thought. Im still not clear in how.
But since he said it in his last post, it seems to be an area to concentrate on.
My first thoughts of how to use it, thinking while doing other stuff, is to use the zener to control the relay? But how?  Or is it used like the diode I put across the discharge cap to get it to stop discharge at zero, or near.

I find the diode on the cap probably does near to what the magnet quenching spark gap did for tesla.  We will call it a discharge cutoff.  But its is not finished yet, cuz Im still pullin the switch. 
I dont think a relay will give great accuracy here, but with the diodes, it might not have to be accurate in cutoff time. As to say, if we used the zener some how to control the operation of the relays solenoid, would the physical switching action be timely to the event.
So maybe it is used in some way to provide cutoff directly, and, through its cutoff action, provide a control signal for the relay.

Again, just thoughts over the last couple hours since I read Teets post.

Anyway,  Im guna do some electron flow on the table over here for a bit and see what I can see.   =]

Thanks for the Tips Teets.  I know you think its easy, but you have given a puzzle that doesnt make a picture yet, if you know what I mean..   If I told you that you need flour, water, eggs, yeast and salt, to maka de fresha italiano breada, How many trys would it take for you to maka de nica tastya breada, without clear instructions? =]

So I have made a lot of bada breada.  I still eat it and grow from it.

Mags

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #321 on: September 28, 2010, 05:38:37 AM »
Please don't use spark gap anymore ok! make a silent explotion ok!  ;D

Like an auto engine, The power is pure but silent in nature. ;D

The very fast bouncing point inside a cap is the direction if it is neg or pos bounce and from there we can collect all pos and neg bounce and from there also we develop a strong pressure, and if we have that pressure we want then thats the time we connect and distribute water to the consumer, ha,ha,ha sorry. i hope you can decipher it, its fun. ;D

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #322 on: September 28, 2010, 07:21:19 AM »
Hey Teets

I get the bounce and the high pressures that are happening here.  The smaller the cap, the higher the voltage, the stronger the bounce. The inertia that is built up in the coil, is like pouring a swimming pool into a cup.

I have a few ideas of how it can be done. But I dont get the zener. It conducts both ways, one way depending on the zener voltage, and the other like a diode. I know that I presented the question of the zener as a spark gap, but honestly, I cannot guess why. The only clue that made me think of it was that the zener has a threshold voltage that could possibly be used some way.  And its been a while since I asked you that question, i still dont got it yet.

But I am workin on it.  ;]

Mags

forest

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #323 on: September 28, 2010, 10:37:46 AM »
Mags

I feel it is like using pressure from a tank without allowing water to escape. You got a kick of pressure which moves water inside hose like squeezing hose while water in tank is in tank so pressure is still there.got it ?
you have to have very and I mean very fast valve with cutoff as sharp as a razor-blade . Tito also mentioned something about one-way valve but here I'm not sure exactly how it works.
Hmm..maybe it is like having a special tank when pressure can escape only in one direction ? Not sure how to do this .High-self induction coil ? Hmm.. for dead battery  such coil from igniter patent, it should not have any difference except you would have troubles to disconnect battery  ??? See my hairs ? Horrible ,I do not want to be electrocuted ! Have to find a coil to protect my dead battery

forest

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #324 on: September 28, 2010, 01:05:04 PM »
Ok, guys , search all Tito tips .. there was one very useful about capacitor.
What element kind is capacitor to the DC circuit ? I think Don Smith said it too -
it is a sink while empty but then when filled it is a GAP.No energy is taken from power source when capacitor is charged! So we must have it charged all the time,right ?

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #325 on: September 28, 2010, 03:08:04 PM »
Don't know if I have this right or wrong.

If you use a zenor diode on the flyback line that returns to source, the flyback will have to load the zenor to a minimal level before the zenor opens. Flyback is usually a very reactive energy form showing high volts but minimal amps so maybe the zenor is recompressing the reactive energy to a more usable recharge energy.


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #326 on: September 28, 2010, 06:02:54 PM »
zener in series? to get higer open voltage?

forest

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #327 on: September 28, 2010, 06:51:28 PM »
zener in series? to get higer open voltage?

to get silent spark gap very fast ;D clever way

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #328 on: September 28, 2010, 07:02:33 PM »
Just home for lunch

Thanks for all the input. We can use all we can get.

I have thought of quite a many ways to use the zener.  In the beginning, Teets said to use at least 3v zener.  Seems small dont it.  But it does not mean it doesnt have a useful purpose here.  Just thought I would put this out there for those who are thinking about it. =]    In his circuit with the 24/220 transformer using the secondary as a primary, it had shown a regular diode in series with a resistor, but he said to remember to use a zener.  I dont know if it is the one in the drawing or additional and not shown.

Mags

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #329 on: September 28, 2010, 07:03:58 PM »
Oh    what is a CRON?     Teets?     I looked it up but not getting notable results in search.

Mags