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Offline forest

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #105 on: October 01, 2009, 02:53:42 PM »
@Tito L. Oracion

OK, thank-you for your kind reply. I understand everything you are saying and it does make sense. Of course it makes more sense for you since you are the maker, but I really do understand the general idea.

Funny you should mention those Tesla patents which are variations that also include the Tesla Ozone Patent No. 568,177. That patent is a prime step that any OUer should know about as a basic method. The only part is the end usage to concentrate the high voltage into lower voltage higher amperage. That is where the battle will be won.

So creating a short (Relay, Switch, Rotary, Transistor, Mosfet - or other) over a DC supply and disconnecting that via one or more high inductance coils, one or more charge capacitors, one or more (series or parallel) working transformers and you can do what Tesla always said did not waste energy, and that is working with damped waves permits you to return most all the energy back to the source. I think that is what you mean by using small energy. You can use small energy at a time, but you can use bigger energy and give most of it back and that consumes the same as the small energy. lol

Meaning, you can run a very small circuit using a battery and consuming only .1 amp at 12 volts and never returning this energy back, or, you can use 12 volts at 4 amps with the Tesla method and put back into the battery 3.9 amps. Both ways you are consuming only 1.2 watts but the second way you are running a much bigger device hence you have a better chance of getting more output. Makes perfect sense.

So I gather by indicating an inverter, your main device output is 12 vdc with good enough amperage to run an inverter and get your 220vac at 5 amps 50hz output. OK sounds logical but only if the 12vdc production is clean and steady otherwise most commercial inverters will go into an automatic shut-down. Hmmmm.

Also, regarding wasting time on the TPUs, in a very big way you are right that it is a waste of time because anyways, we will never be able to prove whatever we make, even if it follows the style of an SM TPU, will be exactly like the original, but again, who cares. Some are close enough and I am also especially working on and learning from the FTPU. But it does not stop us from doing other things in between. lol


wattsup,

While you are perfectly right about returning most of energy back to source in such way as to not deplete it but recharge, that will not explain all those devices which are self-runners with power source disconnected after first kick-start - vide Kapanadze device

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #105 on: October 01, 2009, 02:53:42 PM »

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #106 on: October 01, 2009, 03:02:53 PM »
There is another excerpt from Tesla interview which surprised me.

"Counsel

And would it also be necessary to provide for the high potentials of the order of which you have named in order to insure maximum direct currents and minimum electromagnetic wave radiation?

Tesla

No sir.  The currents are proportionate to the potentials which are developed under otherwise equal conditions.  If you have an antenna of a certain capacity charged to 100,000 volts, you will get a certain current; charged to 200,000 volts, twice the current.  When I spoke of these enormous potentials, I was describing an industrial plant on a large scale because that was the most important application of these principles, but I have also pointed out in my patents that the same principles can be applied to telegraphy and other purposes.  That is simply a question of how much power you want to transmit.

Counsel

In Colorado, which did you use?

Tesla

I used the so-called Tesla transformer.  I did not have the high frequency machine with [me] which I could develop as much energy for the experiments, but with my transformer I could get any amount of energy I
needed.  That is why I used the transformer."


If that is not a statement about free energy then it must be a lapse of speech...

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #107 on: October 01, 2009, 03:52:48 PM »

wattsup,

While you are perfectly right about returning most of energy back to source in such way as to not deplete it but recharge, that will not explain all those devices which are self-runners with power source disconnected after first kick-start - vide Kapanadze device

That would be the next step once your device works without lowering battery voltage, then using a high uf capacitor would be a choice to start removing the battery from the system.

Would the following be correct or possible as my EE acumen stinks.

If I take good uf capacitor and send on side through a zenor diode of let's say 5 vdc to run a circuit. The zenor gives the 5vdc from the capacitor to the circuit and the capacitor falls to let's say 2 or 1 vdc. The circuit then returns this energy as very high voltage back to the capacitor bringing the voltage back up and permitting the zenor to provide a next 5 vdc to the circuit. So the question is can a zenor diode be used in this manner. Almost like a voltage gain sensing diode relay. if so, man, that would be great.

Maybe we are detracting from @Tito's subject. Hmmmmm. Always happens. lol

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #107 on: October 01, 2009, 03:52:48 PM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #108 on: October 01, 2009, 05:15:04 PM »
@ Tito,

I apologize for intruding into you thread: of course I am following your very interesting project!
anyway if any problem just let me know as I could create a new thread  (I did not that in order do not create too many threads).

@Wattsup

Hey, nice to meet you again.....always intrigued by retro-engineering TPU?  To answer your question, Yes what you posted is exactly what I did...and it works. To cut it short I checked TRUE the following:

- Presence of a 'near field' (around the Tx unit and within a space of about 1.5 meters) where the Maxwell equations does apply.

- Presence of a 'far field' ( distance > 3 meters from Tx) where the Maxwell equations does not fully describe the EM behavior

- In the latter point I have been unable to shield the Rx unit: if it does go in synch (with Tx unit) it stays synched whatever shielding action you do!

- The Tx and Rx unit even if connected only trough ground does appear like fully connected and if you load the RX you obtain a DECREASE on the load that the TX poses on the input exciter.

- The additional power gathered by the Rx is amazing: where does it comes from...the environment?

The minimum topology tested makes it difficult to deal with data so I am building additional Rx units to check easily on the power I/O numbers.

ronotte

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #109 on: October 02, 2009, 01:57:37 PM »
Hello all,

@Tito

why to let the TPU die?

Dont you see it?

Its the same principle as you use it. Its "only" a conversion device like Tesla, Mory, Sweet....and others had done it many years ago and now we are again "inventing" them. To say it in this way.

So, I see no reason to stop my work on a TPU. And I will NEVER give up because I see no reason why to stop.

Otto

hi sir good day

well sir that is just a wild advise, because tpu the way i see it is an old topic that wasting precious time of its fans, well i'm one of them  ;D

but sometimes, for me it is better to do some work originated by yourself because it gives a better pleasure.  :)

i even made a tpu version of mine, well it works but its too much complicated and i believe sm's design is not the same as mine. because my tpu works even in inverted position  ;D i don't know why? lol   ;D  ;D  ;D

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« Reply #109 on: October 02, 2009, 01:57:37 PM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #110 on: October 02, 2009, 02:18:21 PM »
Hello all,

@Tito

trust me you will again work on your TPU.

The newer versions of the TPU are made in that manner that they can be in an inverted position and work.

Yes, the work on a TPU can sometime be boring for some people but for me its fascinating. Every day a new discovery. Fantastic.

Otto

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #111 on: October 02, 2009, 02:30:10 PM »
@Tito L. Oracion

OK, thank-you for your kind reply. I understand everything you are saying and it does make sense. Of course it makes more sense for you since you are the maker, but I really do understand the general idea.

Funny you should mention those Tesla patents which are variations that also include the Tesla Ozone Patent No. 568,177. That patent is a prime step that any OUer should know about as a basic method. The only part is the end usage to concentrate the high voltage into lower voltage higher amperage. That is where the battle will be won.

So creating a short (Relay, Switch, Rotary, Transistor, Mosfet - or other) over a DC supply and disconnecting that via one or more high inductance coils, one or more charge capacitors, one or more (series or parallel) working transformers and you can do what Tesla always said did not waste energy, and that is working with damped waves permits you to return most all the energy back to the source. I think that is what you mean by using small energy. You can use small energy at a time, but you can use bigger energy and give most of it back and that consumes the same as the small energy. lol

Meaning, you can run a very small circuit using a battery and consuming only .1 amp at 12 volts and never returning this energy back, or, you can use 12 volts at 4 amps with the Tesla method and put back into the battery 3.9 amps. Both ways you are consuming only 1.2 watts but the second way you are running a much bigger device hence you have a better chance of getting more output. Makes perfect sense.

So I gather by indicating an inverter, your main device output is 12 vdc with good enough amperage to run an inverter and get your 220vac at 5 amps 50hz output. OK sounds logical but only if the 12vdc production is clean and steady otherwise most commercial inverters will go into an automatic shut-down. Hmmmm.

Also, regarding wasting time on the TPUs, in a very big way you are right that it is a waste of time because anyways, we will never be able to prove whatever we make, even if it follows the style of an SM TPU, will be exactly like the original, but again, who cares. Some are close enough and I am also especially working on and learning from the FTPU. But it does not stop us from doing other things in between. lol

Added:

@ronotte

Just saw your post at same time as mine. Hmmmmm.

Good ideas.

I am putting a diagram I made a good while ago that I think is close to what you are saying.

hI SIR GOOD DAY!!!  ;D

BINGO!!!
 I intentionally not included that patent because that is where i am is working, your very good sir!  ;D

You always admire me with your post sir , your so kind  and i'm honored being  with you here sir. I also learned a lot from your post sir thank you very much.

i just want you to know that i'm an avid fan of your posts, they realy makes me to think and revised always my works!  ;D

all you've said are absolutely correct!

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #112 on: October 02, 2009, 02:40:27 PM »
@ Tito,

I apologize for intruding into you thread: of course I am following your very interesting project!
anyway if any problem just let me know as I could create a new thread  (I did not that in order do not create too many threads).


No sir its okay, your very much welcome !  ;D

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« Reply #113 on: October 03, 2009, 04:19:19 PM »
ello Tito

Perhaps you should contack Dr S Greer.   He has the infrastructure set up to see new energy is safely distributed.  That's if you are for real and not cohersing others to do your experiments for you.

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/29990/Dr__Steven_Greer_The_Promise_of_New_Energy/

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« Reply #114 on: October 04, 2009, 08:21:36 AM »
ello Tito

Perhaps you should contack Dr S Greer.   He has the infrastructure set up to see new energy is safely distributed.  That's if you are for real and not cohersing others to do your experiments for you.

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/29990/Dr__Steven_Greer_The_Promise_of_New_Energy/

hi sir good day!  ;D

Actually i'm thinking for that but i have to be very carefull of course its like making an experiment you have to consider many things ok.

i am not cohersing others, i want them to discover it themselves, i believe if your a researcher, you can notice if what i'm saying here has sence ok.

i'm telling you and i promise you that my system is very easy to replicate, very easy to do it really change the way we use a source !

i'm repeating what i am is always saying, the secret is in the arrangement of battery, coil, capacitor and diode.
 
did you realized a tesla switch? how easy and simple to replicate, ron cole even made an inovation for it using only 2 capacitor and 1 battery but still the result is the same ok. the only challenge is how to make a durable switching technique.
 
do you know that even in hardware store you can make a design of durable switch.
 
did you try in tesla switch pulsing a coil and feed that to inverter, ofcourse rectify it first!  8)
 

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« Reply #115 on: October 04, 2009, 02:14:17 PM »
hi sir good day!  ;D

Actually i'm thinking for that but i have to be very carefull of course its like making an experiment you have to consider many things ok.

i am not cohersing others, i want them to discover it themselves, i believe if your a researcher, you can notice if what i'm saying here has sence ok.

i'm telling you and i promise you that my system is very easy to replicate, very easy to do it really change the way we use a source !

i'm repeating what i am is always saying, the secret is in the arrangement of battery, coil, capacitor and diode.
 
did you realized a tesla switch? how easy and simple to replicate, ron cole even made an inovation for it using only 2 capacitor and 1 battery but still the result is the same ok. the only challenge is how to make a durable switching technique.
 
do you know that even in hardware store you can make a design of durable switch.
 
did you try in tesla switch pulsing a coil and feed that to inverter, ofcourse rectify it first!  8)
 

@Tito
Is your capacitor unconnected from power source during disruptive discharge and energy is recovered later or you found a way to sent part of energy not used back to power source directly while discharging capacitor ?
Lately I discovered something what Tesla surely realized when he was observing discharge from Edison HV DC generators ,when they were quickly powered on. All I need is information about radiant energy event which occurred when DC generators where switched on - was that a rare accident or very common ? 100% reproducible or rather random ?

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« Reply #115 on: October 04, 2009, 02:14:17 PM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #116 on: October 08, 2009, 04:49:27 AM »
@Tito
Is your capacitor unconnected from power source during disruptive discharge and energy is recovered later or you found a way to sent part of energy not used back to power source directly while discharging capacitor ?
Lately I discovered something what Tesla surely realized when he was observing discharge from Edison HV DC generators ,when they were quickly powered on. All I need is information about radiant energy event which occurred when DC generators where switched on - was that a rare accident or very common ? 100% reproducible or rather random ?

BIG YES THAT IS 100% REPRODUCIBLE!.

Sorry i do not want to answer you in detail but your very near  ;D

Capturing radiant energy is easy, i beleive you can solve that.

be carefull sir because many died in that incident.

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« Reply #117 on: October 08, 2009, 08:56:45 AM »
The best way to store electrons is not by capacitor or batteries, it is by superconductors, neither could compare.

Using superconductors to capture and store the decay energy of Beta emitters is so far the safest civilian nuclear and would be very highly efficient, depending on the nuclear Isotope one could run for a decade or even hundreds or even thousands of years before it needed the isotope replaced, using Tritium the cell would stay charged for 12.3 years before half of the nuclear material needed to be replaced. if you are interested I could build a Beta decay Isotope list specifically for this purpose. but unless people are really interested I would be wasting my time.

lose not, waste not.
Jerry 8)

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« Reply #118 on: October 08, 2009, 08:59:48 AM »
Tito

So you are using high self-inductance coil to cut power source connection while capacitor is doing disruptive discharge into working circuit, meaning that in this step energy is not lost by heating power source battery.
That is I think what Tesla realized after seeing radiant energy discharge and investigating it. Quenching circuit which allows unidirectional discharge of capacitor (still oscillating but that another story). In case of Edison DC generators it was due to badly constructed commutator with dead spot which quenched discharge at spark gap (=power switch).
I yet have to find Edison patent to confirm that and also chronology of improvements. The most useful would be to know the list of issues that Tesla had to improve in Edison generators.
This is how I see it :

if electrical energy is condensed  and pumped into wire it has momentum.It is vibrating while flowing on inductance. If suddenly there is a gap in flow then it tries to return back. If return path exits that energy is dissipated by heat and light and other range EM radiation.

If return path is disconnected in correct timing energy has to be released into envinronment but it can't produce much electric field,due to missing back rush path - no EM radiation is possible or only a little.Energy is then radiated as ripple on magnetic field surrounding wires and further into ambient field, because stopped oscillation in every case has to release energy. I think we are near to find complete new science area of longitudinal magnetic waves.I'm not arrogant to state that only one kind of such phenomena is possible. I rather think it's a bunch of phenomena ,complete new spectrum of frequencies and waves.
Sorry,I tend to chatter...

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #119 on: October 10, 2009, 12:14:23 AM »
The best way to store electrons is not by capacitor or batteries, it is by superconductors, neither could compare.

Using superconductors to capture and store the decay energy of Beta emitters is so far the safest civilian nuclear and would be very highly efficient, depending on the nuclear Isotope one could run for a decade or even hundreds or even thousands of years before it needed the isotope replaced, using Tritium the cell would stay charged for 12.3 years before half of the nuclear material needed to be replaced. if you are interested I could build a Beta decay Isotope list specifically for this purpose. but unless people are really interested I would be wasting my time.

lose not, waste not.
Jerry 8)

Hi jerry good day!

this is new to me sir, i am interested  ;D

and this is great!!!

will you please demonstrate more sir.

 

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