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Offline ramset

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #930 on: March 03, 2011, 06:35:55 PM »
OK, Teestla said a cap charging senario!
These fellows at OUR ,seem to be discussing this
A snipet bellow



Core
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In the book 'Tesla on his work with Alternating Currents' by Leland Anderson does anybody know what device the cover diagram is for. It is pictured next to the Magnifying transmitter but I do not think that is it. The diagram shows capacitors charged in parallel and discharged in series. I might be missing the patent that this one is for. Any help would be great.

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Core


Cover diagram.

""""Image posted below"""""

 
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Core,
That was the driver for the single wire primary that went around the perimeter of teslas lab. It allowed him to walk around the lab with tuned devices that would run off the primary discharge.
 
     
 
 
Core 

 

Darkspeed,

  As far as you know is there any additional data on this? This is one of the very few diagrams that show a core material. Also to power a tuned device would one end need to be grounded?

Respectfully,

Core
 
       
 
 
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The first transformer with core is a low frequency step up transformer like a neon sign transformer.
It feeds resonant charging inductors, then capacitors.
When the rotary gap fires the long single wire is in LC with the capacitors and a high frequency is established.
No ground is needed, however a ground will increase the output of the tuned receiver.
Adding a ground allows you to use the electrostatic component between the top of the receiver and ground
 
     
 
 
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@Core

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As far as you know is there any additional data on this? This is one of the very few diagrams that show a core material. Also to power a tuned device would one end need to be grounded?
This is Tesla's hairpin circuit with a mechanical break or a better term would be rotary spark gap which disrupts the circuit. The capacitors are charged in series through chokes to limit current from the secondary and when the break fires the capacitors are discharged through this same path. The changing potential on the capacitors produces a sharp impulse in the loop (a single turn coil) which induces the device(the receiver) in the center of the loop which has a break as well fired at a rate in proportional to the primary break. A variable inductance can also be seen in the loop for tuning the device to resonance.
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #930 on: March 03, 2011, 06:35:55 PM »

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #931 on: March 04, 2011, 02:07:38 AM »
More Comments from the boys at OUR
Reguarding Parallel to series cap stuff!

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Core

I found this little write up regarding the picture you posted:


"Figure 35.
Apparatus with mechanical break as installed on a large scale in the laboratory at South Fifth Avenue and subsequently at 46 East Houston Street.  Described in U.S. Patent No. 645,576 of March 20, 1900.  Application filed September 2, 1897.


This [Fig. 35] is the apparatus I had at 35 South Fifth Avenue and also Houston Street.  It shows the whole arrangement as I had it for the demonstration of effects which I investigated.
•This cable you see [square loop in top half of Fig. 35] is stretched around the hall.  These are my condensers.  There is the mechanically operated break, and that is a transformer charged from the generator.  That is the way I had it for the production of current effects which were rather of damped character because, at that period, I used circuits of great activity which radiated rapidly.  In the Houston Street laboratory, I could take in my hands a coil tuned to my body and collect 3/4 horsepower anywhere in the room without tangible connection, and I have often disillusioned my visitors in regard to such wonderful effects.  Sometimes, I would produce flames shooting out from my head and run a motor in my hands, or light six or eight lamps.  They could not understand these manifestations of energy and thought that it was a genuine transmission of power.  I told them that these phenomena were wonderful, but that a system of transmission, based on the same principle, was absolutely worthless.  It was a transmission by electromagnetic waves.  The solution lay in a different direction.  I am showing you this [diagram] simply as a typical form of apparatus of that period, and if you go over the literature of the present day you will find that the newest arrangements have nothing better to show.

Counsel

What was the make and break frequency that you got from that apparatus?

Tesla

It was 5,000, 6,000—sometimes higher still.  I had two oppositely rotating discs which I will show you and with which I could have reached, probably, 15,000 or 18,000.

Counsel

What wave frequencies did you develop?

Tesla

I could operate from a few thousand up to a million per second, if I wanted.

Counsel

What did you actually use?

Tesla

In these demonstrations, which I showed these effects, these most powerful effects that were the sight of New York at that time, I operated with frequencies from 30,000 to 80,000.  At that time I could pick up a wire, coil it up, and tell what the vibration would be, without any test, because I was experimenting day and night."

 
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #932 on: March 04, 2011, 03:22:07 AM »
adding my 1.5 cents :)

take care.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #933 on: March 04, 2011, 05:42:33 AM »
what is this ..
it looks like a highly adjustable tesla hair pin..
but has two air coils coming off the high tension side of the input transformer..
what are those for.. ?? would they mate together.. to help feed the caps with b.e.m.f.  ??


??
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #934 on: March 04, 2011, 07:23:12 AM »
That is were energy is being suck.

An open door to get energy in the environment

A vacuum effect for energy outside.

That is how i see it  ;D
 
;D

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #935 on: March 04, 2011, 10:36:03 AM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #936 on: March 04, 2011, 02:05:00 PM »
Choke coil are charging caps from backEMF

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #937 on: March 04, 2011, 02:32:46 PM »
delboy posted these Tesla circuits in a hairpin thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7978.msg232723#msg232723

i've added the notes to them.

take care.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #938 on: March 04, 2011, 05:40:56 PM »
The only thing is that what you are showing as the spark gap "T" are actually probes that you hold on to. These are drawings of his medical device. People would hold on to these probes to send the high frequency through their bodies.

The choke coils are used to provide protection to the high voltage transformer from the high frequency spikes that are generated.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #939 on: March 05, 2011, 03:47:38 AM »
AMAZING !!!!!!
 ;D

CHOKE COILS are added as series aiding coils to add up strength for pulling and pushing.

so that energy at the other side of the cap is more stronger.   

and were ever the flow of current is, the variable coil is acting as a suction.
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #940 on: March 05, 2011, 04:48:52 AM »
AMAZING !!!!!!
 ;D

CHOKE COILS are added as series aiding coils to add up strength for pulling and pushing.

so that energy at the other side of the cap is more stronger.   

and were ever the flow of current is, the variable coil is acting as a suction.

The choke coils are not series aiding coils. They are only there to protect the high voltage transformer. They would probably have a relatively high self resonant frequency making it a large impedance to the high frequency spikes. This would stop the spikes from getting to the high voltage transformer.

Wow Teets, for someone who has discovered free energy I thought you would of known better. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sorry, had to edit, forgot the  ;D

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Offline Tito L. Oracion

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #941 on: March 06, 2011, 11:04:56 AM »
The choke coils are not series aiding coils. They are only there to protect the high voltage transformer. They would probably have a relatively high self resonant frequency making it a large impedance to the high frequency spikes. This would stop the spikes from getting to the high voltage transformer.

Wow Teets, for someone who has discovered free energy I thought you would of known better. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sorry, had to edit, forgot the  ;D

Oh gush  :o , you're better than me ?  ;D

So you mean they are not aiding connected in series coils to protect the high voltage transformer?  ;D
 
:P

You know sometimes. it doesn't need to know many thing for free energy, if you only knew the simple way.

i'm not forcing you to believe me okay and maybe you know better than me.

but one thing i am sure , I have it.  ;D

one more thing, this kind of people are sometimes the reason why i'm deciding to not giving.

THEY ARE NOT JUST PROTECTOR OKAY! ;

;D

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« Reply #942 on: March 06, 2011, 03:08:09 PM »
Just consider the make/break. At make capacitors discharge. At break, inductors (cokes) discharge. When the capacitor discharges it sends a pulse through the loop and also charges the inductors. When the inductor discharges it also sends a pulse through the loop and charges the capacitors. Make-pulse-charge, break-pulse-charge. You get a pulse, a discharge, and a charge at every make and at every break.

Usually in our devices we only get a pulse at make, then at break we hope to hell the flyback will go somewhere useful. But it usually does not.

Both capacitors and inductors are mutually dependent. Without the inductor, there is not enough to charge the cap. Without the cap, there is not enough to charge the inductor. The mH value of the inductor and the mF value of the caps is very important so the exchanged energies are as well balanced as possible otherwise your efficiency will be reduced proportionally.

So what you see in that Tesla patent is a pure example in the art of balancing applied energies.

wattsup

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #943 on: March 06, 2011, 06:18:44 PM »
Oh gush  :o , you're better than me ?  ;D
No, I never said that I was better then you or anyone else. Why do you worry one way or the other.
Just by you mentioning this makes me think that you are the one who thinks he is smarter then everyone else.

So you mean they are not aiding connected in series coils to protect the high voltage transformer?  ;D
 
:P
That's what I said, They are there to protect the HVT.

You know sometimes. it doesn't need to know many thing for free energy, if you only knew the simple way.

i'm not forcing you to believe me okay and maybe you know better than me.
Without you sharing this OU discovery, how are we to know it is the simple way.

but one thing i am sure , I have it.  ;D
Yes, we all know that you say you have it but I really don't think you do. Most people would be proud that they
made the discovery and would like to share it with the world, to save many lives. You remind me of IST.
He also claimed that he has made wonderful discoveries and just expected people to believe him.
I am just waiting for you to say that you are going into production but need investors. If you were scared of being harmed
because of your discovery, you wouldn't be on here bragging about having it. As far as I am concerned, I think that you are
a fake and a fraud and can't even be consistent with your lies. Prove me wrong and share your idea with the people here.
But you won't because you have nothing to share.

one more thing, this kind of people are sometimes the reason why i'm deciding to not giving.

THEY ARE NOT JUST PROTECTOR OKAY! ;

;D
OK good. Now you have another excuse not to share. If someone told me that I didn't have it and I was a fraud,
I would like to prove them wrong and show them. You can't do that because you have nothing to show.

Wattsup,
I understand what you are saying but I dissagree with you. The problem with both of our ideas is that until we know what value
the inductors are, it really is hard to confirm their use either way. All I know is that I have seen them in that location for the reason that I stated.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #944 on: March 06, 2011, 07:12:15 PM »
Well  who is to say that the above schem is about OU?  It might be.

If we look at what is going on, the rotor gapper is doing the same as in the Igniter pat.
It shorts the connection of the cap banks so they can be discharged(or just connected) to the output section, And at the same time, the rotor gap shorts the 2 "choke" coils with the secondary of the input. 
We seem to have a Shorting coil schem like Romeros experiments.

If we didnt have the 2 "choke" coils, we would be just shorting the secondary.

They are not Choke coils.  They are extensions of the inputs secondary.

The rotor must be in time with the inputs secondary to short the 3 coils while in phase with secondary while peaking, which causes a lot of current to flow through the 3 coils, (choke, sec, choke), then when released(rotor gap) that flow will charge the caps beyond what the sec can do on its own, even when shorted.

Extra coil. These are not just used to receive from a near by operating coil. Tesla used them many ways.  These "chokes" in my opinion are Extra coils.

Mags

 

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