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Offline Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8475 on: May 15, 2020, 03:21:55 AM »
Here is the trifi coil. Made the bobbin with a Creality ender 3 pro 3d printer. For the Ecore I have, the printed bobbin length is short to fit a second thin bobbin for a secondary output, and or even a drive coil to fit the inner core length snug.
8 layers 3 wire 26ga. While playing one day, my scope on the output had shown some very good output in a particular config. But after a few seconds it would drizzle down and stay down. But if I shut it down and power it up later, it was great output then drizzle. I found that in that config, the coil capacitance was charging and privided diminishing output as it charged. I have 3 windings. So I wasnt sure what was happening yet.  So for some reason I pulled a pin out of the circuit and happened to touch another pin of the 3rd winding, and the scope jumped back up.  So that lead me to charging the coils capacitance first, just 2 open ended windings, then just short the 1 series ends and it gives a nice high voltage oscillation. Doesnt take much to charge the coil capacitance as it is a pretty small value, so ive gotten into using a large inductor of much higher ohms than the bifi or trifi coil and pulse the large inductor and use its field collapse to charge the bifi capacitance to a high voltage and short the ends in a timely manner. I was surprised actually how long the bifi capacitance would hold its charge before I would short the pins when I first got on to this.
Not saying it is anything yet, but it is a cool deal to integrate the Tesla Igniter circuit and the Coil for electromagnets bifi coil.
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8475 on: May 15, 2020, 03:21:55 AM »

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8476 on: May 15, 2020, 02:31:11 PM »
"Measure the distance in centimeters between the electrodes in the spark gap with the ruler. For a spark plug, slide the gapping tool into the gap until it fits snugly, then read the gap distance on the tool.

Key in the number of centimeters into the calculator. Press the multiply key. Enter 30,000. Press the equals key. The result is the voltage required to produce a spark in the gap. For example, if you measure 1 millimeter, first convert to centimeters. At ten millimeters per centimeter, you'll have .1 centimeter. Multiply .1 by 30,000 to get 3,000 volts".

It looks like Magluvin's setup is generating "Stun Gun" mega range voltage! I bought a solid state 12 volt to 500,000 volt transformer from China that works that way.

The limitation to this circuit is the lengthy charge rate of the primary capacitor and the low frequency of operation. My transformer operates at or below one 1 Hertz frequency. The "Gray Tube" predicament.

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« Reply #8477 on: May 16, 2020, 02:07:26 AM »
In my vids I used a capacitor bell ringer config on the relay to create a purposeful time delay so for each spark event we could see that there were multiple sparks in the conventional points circuit, using an actual points condenser to enable the coil to oscillate as an LC once the points open. I can change the timing for much faster spark events but the pics and vid would show it more like a stream wandering around the spark terminals. The large inductor as long as there is periodic (points closed) current, it basically keeps conducting in the same direction throughout the  operation period at faster switch losing speeds. The large inductor is not like 5kohm. The one in the vid is 46ohm compared to 1ohm spark coil primary. So once the circuit is going, the inductor loads up the caps pretty quick.  Its a .2uf ignition condenser used for the standard points circuit and the Igniter circuit. At these freq shown would be very low rpms compared to an actual spark timing event on an engine, so the inductor is charging the cap to full potential before the spark event occurs. When it gets up in freq, the inductor is conducting more continuously. Without the condenser in the standard circuit, the spark is 1 thin pip only sometimes.  So possibly many guys that just go with electronic ign modules in place of points may not know that the condenser was bad. ;) Both the original point system with a good condenser and the Igniter circuit produce real multiple spark ign due to resonance of the LC in each case. The main difference is the 46ohms of the large inductor in series with the 1ohm spark coil primary.  So that reduction in current compared to the standard points circuit that holds 12v batt across the spark coil primary at 1ohm for a longer period that the points are open is big. So calculate the input power for each case and that is where you see the advantage of the igniter circuit. In my measurements the cap in the standard circuit reaches near 100vac when in oscillation with the primary when the points open. So the igniter circuit, you find a large inductor that will charge the cap to near 100v then when the points close, that charged cap is across the spark primary giving virtually the same conditions to produce the nearly same oscillations and spark, but for a small fraction of the input in comparison.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8477 on: May 16, 2020, 02:07:26 AM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8478 on: May 16, 2020, 02:36:56 AM »
a magnet in the core of the large inductor should amplify the flyback charge to the capacitor like brad's magnet core coils.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8479 on: May 16, 2020, 03:03:45 AM »
a magnet in the core of the large inductor should amplify the flyback charge to the capacitor like brad's magnet core coils.
Using a magnet to bias a coil makes the coil act differently depending on the direction of current. If the current creates an opposing field compared to the bias magnet, the coil will have to produce more field strength before reaching saturation. If the current is in the other direction where the coils field is in attraction to the bias magnet, the coil will reach max current sooner. Sort of a say soft rectification action.  There are magnet biased cores(example Hitachi) that the magnet added allows the coil to store more energy with a smaller core. Like a simple boost converter switching supply. There is no extra energy by adding the magnet. It takes more input to reach that new upper level of energy stored, same as with a larger core. When the magnet is biased in attraction with the coils field, the coil sees a much quicker saturation due to the 'added' magnet flux that already exists..
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8479 on: May 16, 2020, 03:03:45 AM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8480 on: May 16, 2020, 02:51:10 PM »
"The use of permanent magnets for introducing bias magnetization in DC inductors is a known technique for extending the saturation current limit and accordingly reducing the required inductor´s size".

So the flyback is amplified because the coil stores more power with the magnet, and we pay for the amplification with additional input.

Nevertheless, the magnet should add power to the spark!

Have you thought about coupling the Igniter with a "Gray Tube"?

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« Reply #8481 on: May 16, 2020, 04:34:31 PM »
"The use of permanent magnets for introducing bias magnetization in DC inductors is a known technique for extending the saturation current limit and accordingly reducing the required inductor´s size".

So the flyback is amplified because the coil stores more power with the magnet, and we pay for the amplification with additional input.

Nevertheless, the magnet should add power to the spark!

Have you thought about coupling the Igniter with a "Gray Tube"?
or you could use a larger core for the same benefit.
Never messed with the Gray Tube.  Some blue ones maybe. ;D
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8481 on: May 16, 2020, 04:34:31 PM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8482 on: May 16, 2020, 06:53:46 PM »
Mags, where is the amplification to all these things you're showing?

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« Reply #8483 on: May 17, 2020, 02:17:22 AM »
Mags, where is the amplification to all these things you're showing?
Well Im not sure yet that things will work out as we might want them to. But trying.  First I think that there is amplification by way of resonance, just need a better more eff way to extract that energy, and we charge up the bifi capacitance via the igniter circuit, which is undisputedly more eff than the standard points system, and if the AV plug is an eff way to extract from the bifi oscillations rather than using a secondary(pickup coil) output coil, then may be it could be good.  need to see. Just finished putting a subwoofer in a cust car, lexus es350. The car is a sonic black hole to bass in the trunk. Open the trunk and it is louder in the car. Close it and doesnt seem worth it for what is invested and involvement. But it wasnt my work that was bad. Lexus makes a very sound dead interior environment, Moved the sub box left, right, flip it, move it closer to the rear seat, then to the far rear, which was best for what it was. The car is a loss for the system. like it needs more woofers and amplification.
Did a lexus some years ago and we made a vented box where the face of the woofer was aiming at the rear seat arm rest opening when the armrest was down and small walls that sealed the pressure to the opening of the armrest, and the ports of the box were directed to the same little camber opening of the seat armrest opening to the trunk.  Now that lexus made it so you need to use the bathroom soon after a jam session. All concentrated into the cabin and no pressures in the trunk.
So just like with this combobulation of coils and switching, etc, Im using things that I know and combining them for best efficiency and ways to avoid heavy losses like I did in the lexus years ago, to see what it might produce if anything. Hope to have time tonight to fiddle. 

In the 90s, some lexus had 2 front firewalls and the space between them was filled with sand. One of the installers back then was drilling the firewall to run an amplifier power wire to the battery. Like a cursed tomb in egypt, the sand slowly filled the driver side floor.  Lexus charged I believe it was 1700 to fix it.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8483 on: May 17, 2020, 02:17:22 AM »
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« Reply #8485 on: May 17, 2020, 03:03:33 AM »
In this vid I did some time ago, I express what I mean about belief in resonance. In switching power supply design books, they say to use an inductor or transformer that has a self resonance up to and beyond 10 times the freq of the circuit design. basically to stay away from resonance 10 paces or more!! ;D Manufactured inductors and transformers have specs on their resonant freq. So what would happen if we operated them at that spec freq instead? This is what this vid tries to inspire in the viewers mind. Watch the whole thing and listen.  Notice that any drive action that is not at or near the resonant freq of the pendulum vibrator, that this is all the output you will get from the input, just like a normal transformer....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVEmF_J_f3s

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« Reply #8485 on: May 17, 2020, 03:03:33 AM »
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« Reply #8486 on: May 17, 2020, 04:37:09 AM »
Yeah, but you need to amplify first before using resonance. Resonance is a way of adding efficiency in other to reduce loses. Resonance on it's own, is not an amplifier, but it aids amplification, and it's normally used in lc circuits.

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« Reply #8487 on: May 17, 2020, 05:15:54 AM »
Ok. Just tried the av plug with 1n5399g diodes and a 22uf cap. Pic shows the combobulation using magnet rotor and reed to do the switching at the moment. Made a half bridge mosfet driver for the cheap square wave gens i had bought. Working on 2 other dr boards to use here.
The 22uf cap charges fast surprisingly. dont think Ive ever seen one charge that fast. Will do a vid tomorrow if I have time. just a quick spin of the wheel and it was over 200v. 100v cap. Need to make one with higher voltage caps.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8488 on: May 17, 2020, 05:16:44 AM »
Yeah, but you need to amplify first before using resonance. Resonance is a way of adding efficiency in other to reduce loses. Resonance on it's own, is not an amplifier, but it aids amplification, and it's normally used in lc circuits.
So then what is your version of how to amplify exactly?
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« Reply #8489 on: May 17, 2020, 07:29:12 AM »
Let me still clarify something that I know. Resonance works well with circuits that have secondary, or circuits that have what we call second coil. It only bridge loses between the primary and the secondary coils. So if you're putting 100% in your primary, with resonance, you can take 90 something percent from your secondary, than when you don't have resonance, depending on how you build the circuit. But a circuit  that amplifies could be added resonance to bring out it's best, if it needs it.

 

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