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Offline bringdownthezog

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8325 on: December 08, 2018, 06:02:38 PM »
For sure a high side switch will fit better to your needs on this subject, but again it depends on what you are trying to accomblish.

My personal opinion on Tom Bearden.
His transforrmer as a stand alone unit, will never give something more than a simple conventional transformer. As F6FLT said it needs energy to do parametric changes and this is really NOT "free" to do it. I am not saying that Bearden is a fraud. He just protects his work as any logical researcher who gave his arm and leg to discover something of a value. Don't seek his secret on his drawings or else you are doomed to repeat again and again the same and wrong approach to the subject. The same applies to all of the researchers the last 100 years who applied a patent for a "free" energy device. Their secret is never showed on papers or else everyone now would have a maschine of this kind. Experimenting with your own ideas and gaining personal experience is the only way out..

Regards

Dont back peddle Jeg. Words are not enough to discredit Bearden.  You have nothing on Bearden. Nought, nil, nada, nothing, zero, zilch and zip.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
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Offline forest

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8326 on: December 08, 2018, 06:04:35 PM »
High side switch is the only way for Tom Bearden method :-) which is I believe Titot original method which is what I'm working on.... ;-) In 2005 I found other method but was unable to progress because it require careful and precise experimenting with HV and I was not experienced to do so and still have no tools. It's a matter to skin the cat - various methods exists to skin the ether ;-)

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8327 on: December 08, 2018, 10:45:02 PM »
By just easily saying tom bearden's meg won't work.
My friend you are not thinking ;D
You think his 30 years research just give it to you as simple as that! ? >:( :o ???
Of course there is a small part there he is not disscussing to the audience. Got it?
The keys are "plenum, vacuum ,doping,  dipole"

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8327 on: December 08, 2018, 10:45:02 PM »
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Offline ayeaye

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8328 on: December 08, 2018, 10:47:00 PM »
« The elite minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, the mediocre minds discuss people. »

I'm sorry but, the people here refuse to take your ideas instead of experiments. Maybe they did if you did belong to the category of elite minds, which you evidently think you are, but unfortunately you are very far from it, and evidently are not capable of analytical thinking, which certainly doesn't enable you to be an elite mind and come up with any valuable ideas.

My advice to you, good advice, believe me, is to learn rhetoric. Did you ever do that, do you even know what it is? Once they taught it in schools, for thousands of years, in ancient Greece and even long before. Not any more, as they don't want people to learn to think. This may teach you analytical thinking, why not to learn what you don't know?

You show your laboratory as if it proves your very high level or something. You have great tools, but you yourself are not great. I have only an old analog oscilloscope. But what's the use of your laboratory as you don't use it? This here is not the first time when you replaced experiments with your ideas and arbitrary conclusions. With my experiment too, you just found that LTspice has a bifilar coil model, talked about like you made a discovery in science. Without critically analyzing it at all, which you evidently cannot as you lack critical thinking.

There are many kind of bifilar coil models, some are just two coupled coils with a capacitor between the terminals of two coils. Which i suspect the LTspice model is, unless shown that it is anything more sophisticated. Capacitor between terminals of the coils is *not* the same as capacitor connecting the middles of the coils, not to talk many such capacitors. Not to talk that when researching overunity, we are after effects that the conventional equations may not include, an example if you like was the Marinov generator. But you wrote some arbitrary musings based on casually trying the LTSpice bifilar coil model, and replaced them for experiments, you didn't do experiments.

Thus evidently even the most expensive laboratory equipment is useless when it is used by a person with a poor mental capability who also lacks scientific rigor.


Offline F6FLT

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8329 on: December 08, 2018, 10:56:48 PM »
Not MEG. This is just piss pond.  ;D
I am very impressed by your argument. Obviously, Maxwell is wrong. I haven't seen such a solid theory since the Hollow Earth theory.


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Offline F6FLT

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8330 on: December 08, 2018, 11:00:57 PM »
I will agree here as all my tests of circuits using parametric inductance and capacitance have been conservative up to this point in time.  However, Gorchilin claims gains are possible with parametric inductance using partial cycles.  See-

http://gorchilin.com/articles/energy/RLC_5?lang=en

Unfortunately my calculus skills are lacking so I'm unable to determine if his theory is correct and I haven't attempted any type of build.

I'm curious to know if you have ever considered the TPU by Steven Marks?

Pm
Hi Partzman,

I don't like math but Gorchilin's equations are not too hard.
The voltage at the inductance terminals is usually noted (1) UL=-L.dI(t)/dt when L is constant.
Here Gorchilin considers that L depends on I, so he writes :
UL=L(I) It    "It" with a dot above  means the time derivative dI/dt, and t an index because I is time dependent, so we retrieve the right equation (1) with L depending on I, in occidental notation:  UL=L(i).dI(t)/dt  (Gorchilin doesn't care the sign which normally is negative. I suppose that he want to calculate the energy which is proportionnal to UL² so the sign would not be important).

But when L is not constant, equation (1) is false. We can't just replace L by L(I). When L is not constant and depends on I which depends on t, then L depends also on t and we have :
UL=d(LI)/dt = L(t).dI(t)/dt + I(t).dL(t)/dt  (see here)

Gorchilin makes the same mistake with the capacitor, using a voltage dependent capacitor C(U) so he writes UC=C(U)dU(t)/dt, instead of :
UC=d(CU)/dt = C(t)dU/dt + U(t)dC/dt

However I'm not totally sure that his method couldn't fit the traditional method, I think he's wrong but it's to be verified, but not necessary because there is a much obvious error after that.

He has an integral on U for the capacitor, an integral on I for the inductance, and an integral on t for the resistor.
Now the worst : he sums the three energy integrals as they were independent, instead of summing first (UC+UL+UR)I(t) so that the sign of UL becomes critical, and integrating on t after, to get the total energy and compare it to the integral of U(t)I(t) of the generator. So I'm not surprised he can find OU!


Offline leonelogb

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8331 on: December 09, 2018, 02:15:18 AM »
Tito L. Oracion  :-* Did you see my post? how many primaries and secondaries more I need  ::)  ::) Two?  ;D ;D ;D  8)


No! :o  but multiple primaries and multiple secondaries in the  legs, these legs are primaries and secondaries ok. :)
its up to us then if what we want to do to the secondaries, if we want parallel or serie, thats basic ok. :)
and for me its not the best design though. :(  sorry bud. :(


@ all
 i cannot be here always anymore, cause i'm busy. sorry. cannot reply more.


remember: the way to the truth is don't kill the dipole.  :) 8)
how to do that?: well just make a strong charge separator. thats it. ;)
OF COURSE: THE MANY THE BETTER. 8)


bye everyone
God bless and GOODBYE AGAIN ;D
ETIOTS ;D

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
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Offline seychelles

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8332 on: December 09, 2018, 04:03:17 AM »
The best energy amplification is Mr Skinner gravity machine.
So simple yet nobody have replicated it as yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEat-8zOjlE

Offline bringdownthezog

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8333 on: December 09, 2018, 04:06:25 AM »
I am very impressed by your argument. Obviously, Maxwell is wrong. I haven't seen such a solid theory since the Hollow Earth theory.

Imaginary MEG. Maxwell is not Bearden.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8333 on: December 09, 2018, 04:06:25 AM »
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Offline bringdownthezog

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8334 on: December 09, 2018, 07:45:11 AM »
https://overunity.com/17986/current-amplifier-as-key-to-the-free-energy/msg526593/#new
https://yadi.sk/d/dH-xE-qW3HFWDX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smPr7CFHGhw&feature=youtu.be
http://mazeto.net/index.php/topic,10002.msg96812/topicseen.html#msg96812

thanks to x_name41 :o :D
it's hard to hear the voice within consistenly and walk on it ... but i always try to trust it first
there's real fight between my carnal mind and the voice.

sorry 4 everything ...buddy

Fabulous. Thanks for the update.  ;)

Offline Jeg

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8335 on: December 09, 2018, 09:09:47 AM »

...see the photo of a part of my modest laboratory today, yes it is a mess, I don't have time to clean up.  ;D


I find it very clean and organized. Well done. ;)

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Offline Jeg

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8336 on: December 09, 2018, 09:46:05 AM »
Words are not enough to discredit Bearden.  You have nothing on Bearden.

It would be nice if you read more carefully my post.  :o
As i said Bearden has his secret very well protected. If you think that by his transformer alone you are going to make a "free" energy maschine then please...the stage is yours!






Offline forest

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8337 on: December 09, 2018, 10:18:21 AM »
Forget MEG, look at Bearden Final Secret of Free energy

Offline F6FLT

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8338 on: December 09, 2018, 12:31:43 PM »
...
I'm curious to know if you have ever considered the TPU by Steven Marks?

Pm

You are right that the TPU can be linked to our discussion on (pseudo) flux switching/modulation.
I considered it but did not test it for two reasons:
- competent people have tested it and failed.
- the explanations associated with its principle are inconsistent and do not include any new ideas.

Even if there was something behind it, which is unlikely, random experimentation without a guiding idea is futile.

Generally speaking, if after 2 or 3 years no one has noticed any particular effect, it is because there is none.
It is then time for scammers of free energy to make a buzz with lectures and books on the"secrets" of these kinds of device that they have never built and for which they invent crazy principles. Their goal is to make money with the naive or to draw attention to their egocentric person in need of recognition. And it works! The number of gullible people attracted by the word "secret" and who believe that they will become initiated into an open secret defying the laws of physics, it is amazing.  ::)


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8339 on: December 09, 2018, 04:50:00 PM »
Hi Partzman,

I don't like math but Gorchilin's equations are not too hard.
The voltage at the inductance terminals is usually noted (1) UL=-L.dI(t)/dt when L is constant.
Here Gorchilin considers that L depends on I, so he writes :
UL=L(I) It    "It" with a dot above  means the time derivative dI/dt, and t an index because I is time dependent, so we retrieve the right equation (1) with L depending on I, in occidental notation:  UL=L(i).dI(t)/dt  (Gorchilin doesn't care the sign which normally is negative. I suppose that he want to calculate the energy which is proportionnal to UL² so the sign would not be important).

But when L is not constant, equation (1) is false. We can't just replace L by L(I). When L is not constant and depends on I which depends on t, then L depends also on t and we have :
UL=d(LI)/dt = L(t).dI(t)/dt + I(t).dL(t)/dt  (see here)

Gorchilin makes the same mistake with the capacitor, using a voltage dependent capacitor C(U) so he writes UC=C(U)dU(t)/dt, instead of :
UC=d(CU)/dt = C(t)dU/dt + U(t)dC/dt

However I'm not totally sure that his method couldn't fit the traditional method, I think he's wrong but it's to be verified, but not necessary because there is a much obvious error after that.

He has an integral on U for the capacitor, an integral on I for the inductance, and an integral on t for the resistor.
Now the worst : he sums the three energy integrals as they were independent, instead of summing first (UC+UL+UR)I(t) so that the sign of UL becomes critical, and integrating on t after, to get the total energy and compare it to the integral of U(t)I(t) of the generator. So I'm not surprised he can find OU!

Hi F6FLT,

Thank you for taking the time to give your analysis of Gorchilin's math on his parametric inductance theory!  You have saved myself and I'm sure others from unnecessary build time which would have proven fruitless.

Pm

 

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