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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8055 on: October 21, 2017, 04:24:23 PM »
I am going to pretend that Wattsup isn't here....nothing he has presented thus far will get you anywhere.... don't take my word for it, ask him to demonstrate his understanding of the patent...  I can not only demonstrate the patent as presented, I can demonstrate it as it was meant to be, I already have....while you were sleeping.... 

@Erfinder

I will pretend I am here and can read your responses and will also provide a rebuttal. We can build so many devices but none of them will show you understand the function. Building is not a free ticket to understanding so please do not equate either together as a force that allows one to fly above the rest. We have the best work bench right between our ears.

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I can appreciate the benefit of exchanging with one of so many words, and will stand on the sideline and watch the discussion which takes place between the two of you lead to nowhere....  I will interject my two cent when I feel it necessary. 

I have not posted at OU for months and now just for a few posts I get blasted for "so many words". Come on. If I felt your comments were worthless and trying to discuss with you was futile I would not have bothered and done what I usually do and that is just stay quiet while you guys run in circles, not me. Look, how can you sharpen your knife of knowledge if you do not have an opposing medium to work it on?

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So that its clear....I do not agree with this.....
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UH....WTF?!?

I also do not agree to this as it is obviously looking in the wrong direction.

Ahhhhh, at last we will get into some nuts and bolts talk we can get our teeth into. I will respond but first confirm here that we are talking about the Ozone patent and not the Ignitor patent.

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When the switch closes, it, the switch, places the motor across the supply, simultaneously, it places the cap across the primary....  focus..... we are looking at two circuits during the instance of switch closure, the motor and supply representing one circuit, and the cap and primary representing the other, the switch (controller) being common to both.

First we have to agree that we are talking about a running device and not at the initial startup. We also agree that the fan motor commutator brushes overlap across more then one segment so it is always connected. I remember we had a spat about this about a year ago so let's just assume this to be the case like in most DC motors today.

So, as you say when the switch closes it radically places the supply positive potential to the motor. Just that connection itself will cause a spike that cannot be construed as a capacitor discharge but can simulate that a capacitor is being discharged without it actually happening. The capacitor is there to help attenuate that spike while some is sent back to the source and forward as I will discuss further down..

When the switch closes, the capacitor is still in series with the battery positive so how can it only "discharge" through the primary and even this sentence is so full of blindfolds because you do not explain what that discharge is, how does it leave the capacitor, what are the polarities and how did they land in the capacitor to charge it. You cannot just say "it discharges through the primary". I have provided exactly the potential relations in how this works while most people, including you accept that just saying the former is acceptable. How can it be acceptable if you are not describing how the discharge occurs, especially when a battery positive is in series so why is the capacitor not discharging into the battery instead of into the primary? Inferring something like "wattsup you're a crackerjack will not do it". Get down to the micro second how too otherwise all these discussions have a free ticket to use any form of freebase out there without justifying the statement. Everything I put up I went though step by step. We will see this further down.

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The motor and primary become a "functioning series circuit" when the switch opens, when the now empty capacitor is allowed to complete the circuit to the supply through the series connected primary and motor. 

Let's just confirm that we are talking about a dc source with identifiable polarities.
We are also talking about a working primary of near zero inductance so it's no better then a length of wire. Agree?

So ahhh, this is what I wanted to read from anyone. A key. You are confirming and agreeing that the capacitor in series with the primary and the motor does in fact COMPLETE the circuit when the switch is open. So you have to try and figure out the answer to one question. When the switch is open what is the polarity between the capacitor and the primary? If we can easily see that the polarity from the battery to the capacitor is positive, what is it when it leaves the capacitor and hits the primary and what is it when it finally hits the fan motor?

If this was a class, I would imagine I should stop right there until everyone put up their answers, but I am not a teacher, just a curious OUer so I will assume that most will reply that the polarity of the capacitor is positive when it leaves the capacitor, it stays positive through the primary and to the fan motor. So if this is right then I would have to ask another question. How do you charge a capacitor? Most will answer, you apply a positive and a negative potential to the terminals and it charges. Right or wrong? Should wait again for your answer but will assume this is right and will continue. So then we can ask, when the switch is open, how can the capacitor charge up when we just agreed both sides of the capacitor are positive? If you want to solve a puzzle, you put all the pieces on a table. So which pieces are on your table may not be the same pieces on my table but I use logic to go even deeper then this.

So this tells me the capacitor is just there because if you remove it, everything shorts out so it is there as a landing spot, again, because the capacitor does not have to discharge for the patent to work. The primary/secondary wind ratios take care of that because that cannot be left to circuit variations. Just give the primary a conveyance and the secondary will convey at high voltage output. So those are some of the questions that no one can fault me for having. Saying it's all bunk just does not answer the questions.

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I have tried to paint the significance of this picture time and time again, but am constantly opposed by those whom I am positive have yet to truly immerse, and lose themselves (literally) within this subject.

I agree with that and thank you for that which pushed me to look into it even further with SC and man, EE just takes the fun out of circuits. SC gives you a feel of the atoms themselves, they who do all the work and are just taken for granted while we again venerate electron flow and fields. We are missing such a fun interplay of electric conveyance and we are just thinking "wizzing around". What did you do today? Oh I just wizzed around all day. Too bad. It's like trying to paint a Masterpiece with only two colors.

So here is your final paragraph. Most of what I said above holds here. But I will cut it up so I can hone in on precise matters.

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When the switch opens allowing the cap to charge to the supply potential,

The cap is not charging to the supply potential. The cap cannot charge because the negative potential is too busy trying to run a fan motor and the circuit is always connected so the negative can never rebias the primary or the capacitor circuit. You need both to charge a cap but the cap is positive biased all the time. It never saw the negative potential in all the operation of the device. That cap is now trying to conduct-convey-pass the positive because all the positive wants is to convey to the fan motor that is holding the negative source potential.

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the current, manifesting out of opposition to change in voltage, moves through the serial connected motor and primary, causing the motor to rotate, and exciting the primary. 

OK, here I provided clear micro mechanisms. Can you do the same?

Current, the only current when the switch is open will be the conveyance throughput of the capacitor for the positive to hit the fan motor, not its charging because it is in series with the load fan motor and the fan motor is never mechanically loaded so its interruptions will be quick and steady. There is no real chance or time for the cap to load when the switch is open because it will then close again. The device works because the cap wants to be charged but it never really is so the need to be charged becomes a focal point.

So consider this. The feed supply has an amperage and voltage level (power) that will be 1000s of times greater then anything that will be in the capacitor when the switch closes. The capacitor in that closure will be insignificant but the capacitor will see expansion from the closure from the higher amperage through the primary side and that's why its there as a landing post because when closed, the positive now has direct access to both the fan motor and the other side of the capacitor but to get to the capacitor it passes the primary as the real conveyance pulse but now with stronger amperage then the rebias when the switch is open. That "inrush" of conveyance through the primary lands in the capacitor and creates a momentary spike but does not charge it to any higher level because anything higher then the feed supply will be fed back to the feed source.

When the switch opens, the capacitor is now already loaded to the feed supply because of the switch closed primary inrush so when open the rebias of the primary is done completely through its length because it will be heading again past the primary and into the fan motor but there will be an added effect when that happens that I will provide further down.

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The fact that both motor and primary are excited during the cap charging cycle is overlooked by all! 
Another overlooked aspect, the cap charging current is not motivated entirely by the supply potential, it is motivated by the induced potential generated by the collapsing field of the coil.

My haunting view is there is no collapsing field needed because the motor is always connected. But if Tesla wanted a collapsing field he would have put a make/break on one of the the motor feed lines so it's completely disconnected from either end while the remaining polarity will reclaim the total motor and that will give you flyback on half the inductance but fast but not from anything collapsing. Why would you want to collapse when you just need to reclaim?

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This "mixing" of energies, (for lack of a more descriptive way of formulating it)  how and when it is to be accomplished, and through which circuit(s) it is to propagate through is one of the primary lessons taught by this patent. 

I agree but maybe not for the same reasons. If you ask me the ozone patent was a hidden OU device or a unity device. Imagine having instead 4 or 10 primaries in series or in parallel what you could produce and not much more overhead. Look, Tesla could have recited Little Red Riding Hood as the function and they would have given him the patent. Who would or could counter Tesla on the technology in those days? So he made the ozone patent the way he did and described it like he knows the electron crowd wants to read it while he hides the real function in plain view. Call me crazy but this was one of Teslas' secret patents. He must have done the same hiding in many more of his patents as his way of helping posterity by secretly beating the clutches of the New World Order he knew about in the form of Morgan Stanley. He knew he could never discuss free energy in public because of the financial stranglehold he was held under. He is showing how to rebias a primary from one end and biasing it from the other, all with the same polarity that has nothing to do with the power consumption of the fan motor.

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I hope you read this and it clicks...I hope you read this and realize how mistaken you are in thinking that you can perform the tasks which need to be performed without the motor....
Regards

I share the same sentiment but to understand it we have to again cut the fan motor into its active constituents. So the fan motor has a least two high inductance stator coils (HISC) and a rotor with a set number of field coils (XFC) and XFC x 2 number of segments on a commutator. The commutator brushes overlap 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 segments wide so you will always have two field coils in action at all times to push the rotation.

The fan motor has a permanent negative feed supply connected to one of the HISCs. The other HISC is connected to the positive circuit because the negative from the supply will never pass the center point of the rotating field coils.

OK when the switch is open while the rotor is turning, the lower throughput of the capacitor will rebias the primary but the turning rotor will also act as a micro second generator as well that will recharge both the negative of the supply as well as the positive of the supply but to the level of throughput of the capacitor again to then recharge the positive of the battery. This you cannot do with a simple inductor to replace the fan motor. Also the motor rotor acts as a regulator because it has almost no load on the shaft so it turns very fast thus dissipating any excess build up in the fan motor.

To simulate the fan motor electronically in this patent to 90% fidelity, you would require two high inductance coils and in between that at least three small coils A,B and C with switching means to parallel and inline connect and repeat AB, BC, then CA, but you will never have that become a generator at switch off.

Look.......... what is in the patent is for the kindergarten EE crowd of the 1890's. What Tesla hid in the patent was only there for those who really looked. This way he is passing a message to those who want to look deeper. There are ways and effects standard EE will not understand. If you only look at the patent with the standard EE electron flow crutches, you will always stay on the superficial function but if you start taking it apart and using another construct it suddenly comes to life. The Masterpiece shows its true colors and not this bland two color image he hid it behind.

Some smart people hide things on paper where you need special glasses or a UV light to see the hidden writing or message. The same is true if you use another construct as your glasses to see previously ignored functions. You will see the hidden parts come to life. Standard EE electron flow and fields that collapse are like putting on glasses that have only a small hole in the center to constrain your view of our effects to a commercially functional level. I just discovered Spin Conveyance that opens it up full tilt. I could talk about the DC electron flow misnomer in a dc motor such a this one and show you that electron flow is impossible but this would be off topic to the patent discussion, for now.

Sorry again for long winding but I wanted to put this here now and refer others to this part of this thread when required. Yes some will say @wattsup is a crackass mouthpiece, but I don't care anymore. I had to work damn hard to prepare this post and have said what I HAVE to say and for me, even though it may fly above many heads or bang on impenetrable walls, it is my duty to do so, just for the record. This is not to undermine or disrespect @Erfinder or anyone else because he came into our midst at a pivotal time, but I cannot blame myself either for what I see today as how our circuits really work. I just added a full host of colors on my palette and just want to show the full color of our effects. I know the way I am going about it is not academic or a well thought out teaching process with levels of complexity and grading but I am not an academic. @MH may think I am a waste of time. Well, only the future will show and maybe, just maybe these threads will become part of our technical history one day when they finally realize the pertinence and ask "What screw brain half assed flunkie came up with Spin Conveyance and how the hell was he able to see this then?".

But I am not looking for enemies and will no longer entertain undue discord where egos are the main driving force. So don't just say I am an ass. Show your objection with logic, get into the parts, the micro movements, put your finger on the where it does not click and maybe this will even help yourself click more.

@Mags

About the wire blowing in the center, I will have to use the same tactics as Standard EE and provide a discourse using an "Ideal filament" as the example. Maybe that will help because you did not catch the premise. Anything directional, water, air and also if electron flow existed will cause a shift from center point regardless if the ends are somewhat cooler by mass dissipation, that should favor one side more then the other to blow. So again why does it blow in the middle? The light bulb filament is in a vacuum so it will not blow so easily and yes the filament will glow to the limits of the arms holding it but if electron flow was true that glow should also reach one of the arms more then the other because of the piling on effect of electron flow on the exit end of the filament. But it does not because DC hits both ends and glows in the center. AC is total different but the same effect happens and I could get into that at another time.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8055 on: October 21, 2017, 04:24:23 PM »

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8056 on: October 22, 2017, 04:18:00 AM »
Hi Mags.

When you open “ my messages “ there’s a tab marked “ sent messages “ you can then refer to the list.

However.... Only messages that you have “ checked/ticked in the box marked “ save a copy in my outbox “ will be available.

Cheers Graham.

Thanks grum.   This whole thing drove me nuts. Just talked to chet and he said he was never able to see his sent messages either. Just used to so many other formats and this one is different.   The whole issue began when I clicked on the location link above the quote and it sent me to my profile. I had been posting on a couple threads recently and I forgot that conversation was in pm.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8057 on: October 22, 2017, 04:43:49 AM »




There you go.....


Mags...


When we are on the same page, I will say so....I have no problem with that.  After reviewing your post, I am positive you will respond stating that you are saying what I am saying....it would be a mistake on your part.  Consider that my reply was focused at two specific points in your post.  All statements which followed the two statements I responded to were irrelevant. 



For the record, you quoted from a exchange I was having with web000x..... (link to the specific post) http://overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg511505/#msg511505
I was was talking to him and not the community.  I made a suggestion for him, one which would allow him to experience the motor rotating during the cap charging phase.  In his drawing he states:


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"Battery charges cap through an anti-series (anti-series is a term I used in offline discussions with him) coil configuration, creating a magnetic null condition.  No motoring during this charging phase."


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In my response I provided steps which "could" be taken which would enable him to experience motoring during the charging phase.   The first step would be to get the system configured right so that it would throw a magnet.  To assist him in understanding, I suggested he use a simplified setup (for ease of familiarization), the motor was to be replaced with a coil, the coil had a magnet placed on it.  When setup and operated correctly, the cap would charge through the coil and primary, throwing the magnet, and firing a neon placed on the secondary.  I concluded this by telling him to replace the coil with a proper motor.  I assumed that if he made it this far, this simple experiment would highlight where he went wrong, and he would be back on track with a motor that received motivating impulses during both charging and discharging cycles.


I am only offering my perspective on the subject.  I know what I can do.  I am only asking folk to "consider" as I always have.  Taking what I say out of context will not get you where I want you to be.



Regards

"I was was talking to him and not the community."

If it is in an open thread, there are a lot of people, including you, that interject within others conversations. Is this to say that maybe you should not have taken quotes from me in pm between forest and I and brought it out in open thread? It wasnt personal stuff, but you unknowingly put me in a tizzy for many hours on that.  But, what ever...

I can see how there will be currents to motivate the motor with the switch closed, and when its open. Are the currents when the switch is open, more than when the switch is closed? Is there an advantage there? Or is it that the motor is just mainly constantly powered?  Its not like I had said that currents in the large inductor ever stop flowing.   Along with the motor motoring and would have to say that you could use that output, is the secondary output used by you for other than ozone generation?

In my head, what I can see is when the switch is closed, the cap and primary ring at a high freq, and when the switch is open, being the large inductor/motor would now be the more significant inductance in the big loop, so the freq of oscillation would be lower during the open times. So is the switch time during the open session only as long as it takes to get the cap charged up to a desired potential and then close? Or is that time longer where there is some lower freq operation before it closes again. Either way there would need to be some critical timing in order to have the cap charged up for discharge when it is closed.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8058 on: October 22, 2017, 06:50:22 AM »
"I was was talking to him and not the community."

If it is in an open thread, there are a lot of people, including you, that interject within others conversations. Is this to say that maybe you should not have taken quotes from me in pm between forest and I and brought it out in open thread? It wasnt personal stuff, but you unknowingly put me in a tizzy for many hours on that.  But, what ever...

I can see how there will be currents to motivate the motor with the switch closed, and when its open. Are the currents when the switch is open, more than when the switch is closed? Is there an advantage there? Or is it that the motor is just mainly constantly powered?  Its not like I had said that currents in the large inductor ever stop flowing.   Along with the motor motoring and would have to say that you could use that output, is the secondary output used by you for other than ozone generation?

In my head, what I can see is when the switch is closed, the cap and primary ring at a high freq, and when the switch is open, being the large inductor/motor would now be the more significant inductance in the big loop, so the freq of oscillation would be lower during the open times. So is the switch time during the open session only as long as it takes to get the cap charged up to a desired potential and then close? Or is that time longer where there is some lower freq operation before it closes again. Either way there would need to be some critical timing in order to have the cap charged up for discharge when it is closed.

Mags

You have said more than once earlier about the cap charging up to the input voltage.  Is that the level of charge you are suggesting we try to achieve? So if the input is 120v, is that the level we should see in the cap before the switch closes? Tesla shows in his diagrams,  on the schematic 2 turns on the primary and 3 turns it looks on the physical drawing of such device.  So yeah I could understand that the cap with 120v could induce the sec to produce ozone, similar to a standard car spark coil only requiring 12v input from a battery and its not even a cap discharge....

The cap only comes in after the points are released. And that cap in the points system is not just for protecting the points contacts. It becomes an LC with the primary after the switch opens and is absolutely necessary for the burning spark to be achieved, instead of the little pip you would get without the cap in place..

So is it that you would not look at the cap in this device as a high voltage discharge device? Just wondering. Like if the input were 12v and the cap would reach 12v before discharge, we would not consider that a high voltage discharge. Similarly I might not look at 120v in and to the cap as a high voltage discharge. I would think more in the lanes of thousands of volts.  Like Tesla connecting a cap bank with 40kv across a bar of copper would make all the metals in the room to emit coronas and sparks. Just want to know where you might draw that line as to what may be considered a HV discharge and a low voltage discharge. If it is a lower voltage discharge device when functioning, then cool, we dont have to get crazy with the voltages on the cap and switch circuits and only worry about the HV on the secondary end.
By the illustration of the cap by Tesla, it looks more massively descriptive as it is a larger capacitance and possibly not in the thousands of volts range and that it is more of a holder of more charge instead. 

Back on the 40kv discharge, I wonder if it is really the copper/ iron, whatever bar that releases the effect he had claimed, or was all that produced by the wires/conductors in the cap jars, connecting them in series/parallel, and then the conductors reaching over to the bar and the bar was just the switch. Like trying to run a power saw on a 100ft extension cord made of 18ga wire.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8059 on: October 22, 2017, 09:53:37 AM »

The point is, and I am sure you understand, I was talking directly to web00x......you took my comment out of context....I responded open as I knew both of you would read it here. 



Excellent...they are there...if you do the test I recommend web00x do, you will experience them.


The electronic savvy will say no....  I say it's more important to consider the difference in the rate of change.  When the switch is open, under ideal circumstances, the high inductance circuit can charge the capacitor at a rate equal to or greater than the discharge rate, here we come face to face with another of Teslas' lessons, where self-induction is not an obstacle..


The obvious advantage is the cap charging current motivating the motor, and exciting the primary!  Most only consider the cap dump across the primary!  To say that the motor is powered constantly is not accurate...  This motor is not connected straight across the supply.  It receives impulses during very specific instances. 


The secondary should not be made to double duty, so no, the output of the transformer is not being used for anything else.  When you recognize this circuit for what it is, when you figure out how to generate ozone in the motor, the transformer output can be used for other things!



You see it ringing...and that's where it all stops...you guys aren't listening to anything I say....and are quick to jump onto the useless crap that others have to say, knowing full well that they are nowhere near where I am on the bench!  It's not about single sine resonance.... look at the circuit, consider everything that's happening, and more importantly when it's happening....  there is a shit load of mixing going on, mixing implies directly or indirectly that we need to be aware of superimpositions, they change everything....  specifically, the cross section of the so called energy storage coefficient of the entire system.


You are thinking and that is refreshing, however, unfortunately, you are only considering those things which the tech savvy own you with.




Regards

"The obvious advantage is the cap charging current motivating the motor, and exciting the primary!"

It would seem as if the primary might be excited less than the direct discharge of the cap. But if the voltages are similar to the input then the only difference would be the freq of excitation of the primary due to the larger inductance in the mix now.  Just from thinking in the box im in for the moment.


"when you figure out how to generate ozone in the motor"

Are you saying the motor itself will produce ozone? The coils of the motor?


" there is a shit load of mixing going on, mixing implies directly or indirectly that we need to be aware of superimpositions, they change everything....  specifically, the cross section of the so called energy storage coefficient of the entire system."

Would have to build it and see what that means.  Sounds like mixing freq, but not sure.  Would this have anything to do with some of what is said of the tpu?


" you are only considering those things which the tech savvy own you with."

Well there is a lot of info and opinions out there that I have not experienced yet, and many could say the same for themselves. So we willl see how i turn out.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8059 on: October 22, 2017, 09:53:37 AM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8060 on: October 22, 2017, 11:10:09 AM »
Just a little different question ... I'm not an expert ,so please tell me which DC motor can be used in Tesla patents ? It has to be 230V or 120V DC brush motor so it can work directly with main voltage rectified. It has to have coils of armature and rotor connected in parallel. I tested universal motor with some 36V DC but their coils are built to be joined in series.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8061 on: October 22, 2017, 11:46:22 AM »

I'm no expert either....  in my experience, the motor can be as simple as a pulse motor...  I do not recommend you operate at mains voltage until you have burned a few machines at lower input voltages first....mains level operated machines are not toys, and are not a good place to begin your experience.....




Regards

So would we want a pulse motor that would say run decent enough to operate the switching, not a high torque low ohm style coil(s) for that 12v?  Just something that runs nice on it own along with switching friction?
Also, if it is a pulse motor, we should use all coils instead of magnets for a universal motor effect due to ac in the system loop to keep the motor going in all + and - phases of input to the motor?

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8062 on: October 22, 2017, 12:20:59 PM »
The clue lies in the ” flying magnet “.


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8063 on: October 22, 2017, 02:20:32 PM »

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« Reply #8064 on: October 22, 2017, 02:38:37 PM »
For me, personally. Yes.

He is questioning what your 'clue' might be.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8065 on: October 22, 2017, 02:49:10 PM »

No....  I didn't offer any clue....ergo the question mark....

Well if he think he has found one, I would be interested to hear it.   

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« Reply #8065 on: October 22, 2017, 02:49:10 PM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8066 on: October 22, 2017, 04:19:07 PM »

Uh.....I am not speaking in code....  no riddles.... I am not offering hints, or clues.....

Ok. I get it dude. Gees..

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8067 on: October 23, 2017, 08:33:17 AM »
Just a word here from the unwise. Whether you are making an actual Tesla Ozone Generator replica or a simile solid state circuit based on its switching principle, be very careful of the transformer secondary. It bites!

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8068 on: October 23, 2017, 02:10:00 PM »
Just a comment on charging a cap higher than the supply. It seems video displays that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVK84Z8BSnc

I was wondering would it be hard to use a transistor to do the switching and if you guys might have a schematic ready for the circuit?

Would it even require a transistor or maybe just a zener that shorts to the battery negative, when voltage rises in the cap enough?

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8069 on: October 24, 2017, 12:01:26 PM »
...your page was the cause of many sleepless nights....
Sorry I interrupted your slumber, I didn't mean to deprive anyone of their sleep. :(
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I wish you would allow me to return the favor.
I like my slumber,  :P  and pictures and diagrams, especially schematics, with lots of descriptive words. I'm a visual toad. ;)
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You are far from unwise
Hmmn, I'm not so sure about that....

A recent experience reminded me that safety comes first. I made an unwise bare skin contact with open secondary terminals. I made a stupid assumption about the secondary voltages being reasonably low, so I relaxed my usual HV protocol of 'disconnect the source' first before changing something. Why did I expect the voltage to be low? Because I substituted the low impedance primary / high impedance secondary step up transformer with a higher impedance primary / low impedance secondary step down transformer. The transformer's primary impedance/inductance was still small compared with the series choke used. I also only used a 2uf ceramic cap.

The rectified Stepped Down secondary voltage (unloaded) was still 49 VDC (according to my cheap digital meter). My supply source for the circuit was a run down 12v battery delivering 11 volts to the whole circuit when in operation.

The raw spikes that I felt on contact with the open terminals were likely to be 2 orders of magnitude higher in voltage, but without scopes etc, I can only judge by previous HV shock experience, which proves I didn't learn properly the first time... or the second time...!.

So, be wise all : be careful when experimenting with potentially high voltage circuits. Don't assume your safety and make an ass out of U like I did to me. Cheers.

 

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