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Author Topic: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION  (Read 2166031 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8040 on: October 21, 2017, 01:07:33 AM »
Hi Mags,

I'll try to take a guess at your last question as to why a motor is different from a large inductor.  Erfinder can correct me if I am wrong.  If you disconnect power from a DC motor while it is still spinning what does it become?

Carroll

Not sure that is the case. Would it 'generate' HV for the cap charge?  Not sure about anything I suppose....

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8040 on: October 21, 2017, 01:07:33 AM »

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8041 on: October 21, 2017, 01:08:12 AM »
In the same spirit i would say that motor has a comutator. When switch opens, motor coils provide multiple "currents with great electromotive force." Inductor alone will give only one.

Not too sure there either.

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8042 on: October 21, 2017, 01:33:52 AM »
I am going to pretend that Wattsup isn't here....nothing he has presented thus far will get you anywhere.... don't take my word for it, ask him to demonstrate his understanding of the patent...  I can not only demonstrate the patent as presented, I can demonstrate it as it was meant to be, I already have....while you were sleeping.... 


I can appreciate the benefit of exchanging with one of so many words, and will stand on the sideline and watch the discussion which takes place between the two of you lead to nowhere....  I will interject my two cent when I feel it necessary. 

 
 

So that its clear....I do not agree with this.....

 
 
UH....WTF?!?


When the switch closes, it, the switch, places the motor across the supply, simultaneously, it places the cap across the primary....  focus..... we are looking at two circuits during the instance of switch closure, the motor and supply representing one circuit, and the cap and primary representing the other, the switch (controller) being common to both.


The motor and primary become a "functioning series circuit" when the switch opens, when the now empty capacitor is allowed to complete the circuit to the supply through the series connected primary and motor. 


I have tried to paint the significance of this picture time and time again, but am constantly opposed by those whom I am positive have yet to truly immerse, and lose themselves (literally) within this subject.


When the switch opens allowing the cap to charge to the supply potential, the current, manifesting out of opposition to change in voltage, moves through the serial connected motor and primary, causing the motor to rotate, and exciting the primary.  The fact that both motor and primary are excited during the cap charging cycle is overlooked by all!  Another overlooked aspect, the cap charging current is not motivated entirely by the supply potential, it is motivated by the induced potential generated by the collapsing field of the coil. This "mixing" of energies, (for lack of a more descriptive way of formulating it)  how and when it is to be accomplished, and through which circuit(s) it is to propagate through is one of the primary lessons taught by this patent. 


I hope you read this and it clicks...I hope you read this and realize how mistaken you are in thinking that you can perform the tasks which need to be performed without the motor....


Regards

Lol Im just not with it today or something is whack..  In your post above you quoted me but I cant find the post you quoted me from to look at the whole thing.  looked over the pages of today, of which the quote is dated oct 20 but I dont see it.. Do you?   I didnt delete any and looking in 'My Posts' list I can not find the "hey Forest" post..

Got a cust here at my shop..  Ill see if I can get it in a bit.  30min trying to find it and it doesnt seem to exist now.  I click on the link above what you quoted me and it should have taken me to my post. Now I have to say WTF!!! never had this prob before

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8042 on: October 21, 2017, 01:33:52 AM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8043 on: October 21, 2017, 02:14:16 AM »
Im a bit PO'ed.  Where is my post????  I just tried to click a link above another 'quote' from Watts and it takes me to that post. When I click on mine in your post it goes to my profile.  its not there..   Er  do you save posts? Like do you have that post of mine on record?  Some people do, just thinking. I want to see the whole content of what I said and I cant.

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8044 on: October 21, 2017, 02:35:12 AM »
Does this thread have a moderator???????????????????  if so Id like to know if and or why it was removed. I do not believe there was anything bad enough in any of my posts that it should have been removed. >:(

 I am moderator of the resonance circuits and devices topics only.  I can remove posts there. Here I can only do what anyone can do, edit my post to 1 character, as it wont let you delete the post fully, and the post should still be up, but it is not.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8044 on: October 21, 2017, 02:35:12 AM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8045 on: October 21, 2017, 02:43:39 AM »
ok. Im done.  Its totally gone. Ill ask Stefan who is the moderator or if he did it.  I have not seen anything like this in my years here. Er has the partial quotes but the post now does not exist. Im upset here.  Im going to chill a bit........

Magluvin

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« Reply #8046 on: October 21, 2017, 03:38:16 AM »
Ok. when I go to the list of threads in the resonance devices and systems topic list, I can see at the bottom of the list that Tinman, Grumage and me are moderators there. Under solid state devices topics list at the bottom there are no moderators listed.. Chet says then it could possibly only have been Stefan, unless Stefan has someone else overseeing the site. This is just wrong. Im like, how many other of my posts are gone also and I dont even realize it??? Or if it happens to anyone for that matter.... Wrong.. 

Do I have to make my own copies of my posts, or even all posts im interested in just to keep a reference?????  Thats garbage man... so in a way why do we even need this site if someone just can willy nilly start censoring posts , and without notice of doing so??? may as well just email each other instead.. Pissed man pissed.

I looked at my moderation list and I have not moderated anyone since I was set as a moderator.  Not one.   But some is....... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8046 on: October 21, 2017, 03:38:16 AM »
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8047 on: October 21, 2017, 03:47:00 AM »
Hmm, i dont see Forests post that I replied to in my missing post............ >:(

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8048 on: October 21, 2017, 05:57:13 AM »
@Magluvin

Look in your PM's. It was in one of my PMs as well so @Erf got a copy too but I don't think it was not posted on the thread. Can't say more.

Tomorrow I will respond to @Erfinder.

wattsup


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8049 on: October 21, 2017, 06:19:00 AM »
@Magluvin

Look in your PM's. It was in one of my PMs as well so @Erf got a copy too but I don't think it was not posted on the thread. Can't say more.

Tomorrow I will respond to @Erfinder.

wattsup

So that post of mine that ER quoted me from was in pm?  For some reason for I cant see pms that i have sent, only ones that are sent to me. Ive always wondered why that is.  So can you resend it to me if its there?  If that is all it is, then I have to question why it was brought out into the thread and not just replied to there by erfinder.  Ive been absolutely going nuts over this and for what?? To bring some of what I said out in the open???  Not that I really mind because i would not be hiding anything, but if it is there then that would be great.  Caused me a large freaking headache for the past 5 hours.

How can I see my sent messages?

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8050 on: October 21, 2017, 06:53:08 AM »
From what little ER quoted from me in his post....

"Hey Forest
 
 I dont think in this case inertia of the rotating motor has anything to do with it.. It was agreed upon in the thread that the motor could be replaced by a large inductor and the switching can be done in many of the different ways of doing so and get the same results."

Then he says...

"So that its clear....I do not agree with this....."

And here is the text from er that kind of impressed on me that an inductor could substitute for the motor. There is no reason posed as to why the motor is in some form better than just an inductor. But in the end er says to install a proper motor....

"If you build the circuit like it is in the patent, substituting the motor for a single coil (for ease of familiarization purposes) you will experience exactly what I said will happen.  Specifically, with the switch "OPEN", an empty capacitor is inserted in the circuit, it will charge to the supply potential, through the motor and transformer, a magnet placed on the coil can be thrown across the room when charging a capacitor of moderate capacity, and a neon will fire when placed on the secondary of the transformer.  From this point, you can replace the coil with a properly selected motor."

So the only thing I can think of where the motor is advantageous is that the motor has shaft output while the circuit is running?  But somehow Im feeling that is not the point he is making.  I dunno

Mags


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8051 on: October 21, 2017, 06:53:59 AM »
Ill need a copy of the Hey Forest post to reply to the rest of er's post

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8052 on: October 21, 2017, 08:50:28 AM »

How can I see my sent messages?

Mags

Hi Mags.

When you open “ my messages “ there’s a tab marked “ sent messages “ you can then refer to the list.

However.... Only messages that you have “ checked/ticked in the box marked “ save a copy in my outbox “ will be available.

Cheers Graham.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8053 on: October 21, 2017, 10:54:08 AM »
To end up with confusion here is what I understood from Tesla cryptic statements placed in many his high frequency patents : in case of DC the motor is slightly better then a pure DC choke, because the commutator action will allow to STORE MUCH MORE ELECTROSTATIC ENERGY IN MOTOR COILS DURING THE PERIOD WHEN COILS ARE SHORTED.
When it happens ? In the time when capacitor is discharging. More later.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8054 on: October 21, 2017, 03:51:27 PM »
Hi Mags,

I'll try to take a guess at your last question as to why a motor is different from a large inductor.  Erfinder can correct me if I am wrong.  If you disconnect power from a DC motor while it is still spinning what does it become?

Carroll

An energy storage device for a brief time.

If the Tesla Ozone device is built correctly,then the wave form across the motor should look like the scope shot below.


Brad

 

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