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Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #630 on: November 26, 2010, 05:25:33 PM »
Forest
I know what you are saying.   Im waiting for some caps to come in.   I tried larger value caps and its dreadfully slow.


Kator 
Mainly I wanted to see if the av plug charging the cap had any expense on the input, and it does.
And the expense is very low in my opinion.


I think I can do better with the Igniter circuit, with the right inductor. Thats why I got the large roll of wire. =]

Mags



Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #631 on: November 26, 2010, 05:40:33 PM »
Forest

The Trisil seems to be the Shizzle my Nizzle. ;]    Foshizzle.

Mags

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #632 on: November 26, 2010, 11:56:17 PM »
Got my SIDACs in today, 20  for 12.99

Just ordered 50 TRISILs  as shown in the pdf above on ebay for 32 buck shipped, be here this week.

In the pdf, it shows 4 leads connected to each end of the diode, For an 8 pin DIP I would never imagine as much current handling till seeing this.

Cheap enough for experimentation. Can be put in series to raise the breakover voltage.

Cool stuff

Mags

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #633 on: November 27, 2010, 04:30:51 AM »
I have been experimenting with the av plug cap charging.

Im using a SIDAC to discharge the cap into a standard ignition coil primary. Im doing the vid in a bit. It might take time for it to load.

Im pretty happy with the results.   The primary of the coil is 1.25 ohms. The SIDAC is dumping 250v from a .33uf 275v cap.  It is producing a very good spark.

To run one of these coils normally with a 1ohm ballast resistor and points at 12v, the coil can consume 6 to 10 amps, with voltages above 14 when running.  All well above 50w

Here we are using max, 60ma 12v,  750mw using the av plug and a small neon transformer circuit.

I wonder how much power they use in todays ignitions..

Mags

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #634 on: November 27, 2010, 06:35:34 AM »
Started uploading the vid   It says there is 50 min to go.  Ill post when its up.

I have to say these SIDACs handle a lil juice.  Peaks.

The Trisil is the shizzle though   

I am going to try a couple experiments charging the 1uf 2kv cap using a bridge but with the light in series to limit the current to the boards normal running conditions.  The cap should go to 250 very quick for discharge into the spark coil.  I also wanna try 2 sidac in series for a 500v gap.   

I wonder if an AV plug would work in a house ac outlet?    Not that it would not consume power, but wonder.

Back when vids done.

Mags

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #635 on: November 27, 2010, 07:29:05 AM »

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #636 on: November 27, 2010, 07:51:19 AM »
Wonderful !

Now introduce an earth/ground connection

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #637 on: November 27, 2010, 11:58:35 AM »
Wow!

Great result Mags!

Yeah,it's time to connect it also to the bigger ground,bigger metal,something having a lot more free electrons.Maybe just grounding a case is enough ?

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #638 on: November 27, 2010, 08:35:11 PM »
Ground

How can we avoid using ground and get the same effect.   I get the concept of using gnd. It is the same as using a suspended metallic object as a gnd for a crystal radio set. It works, but the earth is larger.

Like when I touch the casing of the spark coil, I simulate a stash of free electrons, in the form of a capacitive connection to the primary coil in the casing, thus giving our charge caps something on the other side to work with , giving the ability to charge quicker. When I touch that casing, charge flows in and out of me as fast as the polarity change from the neon transformer.

But,  in each case, whether it be earth gnd, human ground, or just rigging the neon transformer to directly charge the cap via bridge rect, we increase the current input. No free lunch yet. And of all, the direct method will give us a very very fast charge, at .6a 12v  7.2W    Just the av plug one ended to the neon transformer, max power is .75w tot
and we have to wait for full charge.

I am doing another vid in a bit.  Using 2 SIDACs in series, putting 2  275v caps in series(.33 and .22 = bout .13uf)
So now she is gapped at 500v.  I am also using more capacitive winding to the casing. Some of it will be bringing the input above 100ma. So about 50ma is being consumed after the neon circuit.   These sidacs are fun to mess with. I was afraid they would not handle much, but they are exceeding my expectations.  Ebay  Cheap  Obsolete parts.  So the trisil should blow me away. 

I have tried to run the spark coil from the neon transformer directly and with spark gap alone, due to the neon is a couple kv, it produces a starting spark at about 1mm or so. But it cannot produce the spark from the coil alone.

Maybe the AV plug can be used to kick an lrc.   


Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #639 on: November 27, 2010, 09:28:45 PM »
I forgot to mention That effeciency of av plug can be also raised by adding selfinductanc serialy connected with capacitor.

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #640 on: November 27, 2010, 09:52:57 PM »
I had thought about putting a lil inertia in there. But if the plug only affects 1 side of the cap per phase, hmmm
Maybe.  A coil in series between each diode and the cap.  Once it gets going, the coils are flywheelin charge from one side of the cap to the other.  Despite discharge, if the coils are the right H for the freq of the neon unit, the neon unit will now only be a kicker keeping the flywheels in motion, and hopefully less current input comes of it.

Think of it, even as one side of the cap is being charged by neon unit each phase, with the flywheels in motion, both sides of the cap will be affected in charge at all times.

Thanks Iwd   Makes sense to me  ;]

Im shooting this 500v gap vid right now. Then I want to try this flywheel ting.


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #641 on: November 27, 2010, 10:08:51 PM »
Well ...I do not write something, what I do not testing before, only fact.
But what you can find very interesting, is that conencting negative  part of primary to condenser. like in attached picture(only simle scheme do not look at value, first two coil are on same core, and better is trifilar where you can take negative point from one free secondary. The third coil is just selfinductance):
It doubles the av plug output for constant(same) time, for same input power.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2010, 10:32:13 PM by IWD »

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #642 on: November 27, 2010, 11:50:29 PM »
Iwd
Are you sure this primary connection wont hurt my primary side circuitry?  Even when I touch a secondary lead I can pull a spark about 1mm, and it burns.  This might cause my primary of the neons circuitry to become of that high potential.   
Would you suggest a resistor or cap to make that connection?

I have added an inductor to the mix for this vid, and I can show if there is a difference, but not using the primary line as shown above yet.

Will be postin the vid in a bit

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #643 on: November 28, 2010, 12:00:44 AM »
I understand, for that reason is better to use transformer with 3 windings like I am wrote, and use negative point from free secondary. I was make my transformer by my self, and other part like mosfet is highly overlarge with breakdown parametrs. But with you device, is realy not good idea to connect it by this way.
I am also using lower voltage than you. If you care about larger spark, then is good to use high voltage and smal value caps, and charged it to higger possible value. But if you care about taking back some power back to source. Or just when you want handle with it, then is better to use smaller voltage.
Benefits are for example: for lower voltage you can use much faster diodes(25ns) which also increase efectivity of avr. plug
Or you can discharge it to other coil, or somwhere else, by tranzistors or mosfets which is also better and more efective than using sidac, trisil, transil or sparkgap, because when you are using solidstate part you can easy control break time and thus thath break wave at peak. Even more, you can discharge capacitor by let say, 5* times before are empty, and thus that you can have 5 break at peak. And I can also make exact measurement of input/output power
(and of course when you have let say mosfet rated 1500v, then you can have more than 1000v tension spikes on primary, and thus that with transformer just with letsay rate 1:5 ..you can have 5kv on the output, and input power will stay at letsay 0,1A from 12v battery,...if you care about biggest possible voltage, just use ingnition coil and mosfet rated at least 800v, and you will have let say 1-1,3 cm long arch on the output, just with 1,2w input) I write this, because maybe I am just misunderstood this:
"To run one of these coils normally with a 1ohm ballast resistor and points at 12v, the coil can consume 6 to 10 amps
, with voltages above 14 when running.  All well above 50w"
You mean with DC current without any interrupt?
« Last Edit: November 28, 2010, 12:41:09 AM by IWD »

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #644 on: November 28, 2010, 02:28:18 AM »
I write this, because maybe I am just misunderstood this:
"To run one of these coils normally with a 1ohm ballast resistor and points at 12v, the coil can consume 6 to 10 amps
, with voltages above 14 when running.  All well above 50w"
You mean with DC current without any interrupt?

True, DC as example.  Actually older cars with points, you shouldnt leave the ignition on due to the points may be closed. Its not good for points or the coil, let alone the battery. Many coils vary.  I have a coil MSD that wont fire with 12v, it needs cap discharge.

Back in a bit

Mags