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Offline forest

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #165 on: October 20, 2009, 10:01:03 PM »
@forest

I agree with you that it seems far fetched but you just don't understand the circuit. Think of it like you are playing with a Slinky toy. Every time the slinky wave reaches the top most part of the curve, it turns a fan.

An inductor will discharge when disconnected, a capacitor will discharge when connected.

I really don't have time to get into a heavy duty discussion of this, because I am trying to focus on a few main things right now, but I would recommend you look at the following annimation I made some time ago and read the post just above it by @allcanadian.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg80110#msg80110

When Tesla made that Ozone Patent, the production of ozone was just an excuse. In the patent, he only put a few lines regarding ozone itself, not even any normal mention of pounds or grams per hour production that anyone with an ozone invention would be eager to explain. So you can understand he did not really care what the device was producing. That capacitor was charging and discharging very fast. Ultimately you will get to a point were the only real thing holding back any major advancement in such pulsing schemes will be the pulsing medium used, and how long it will last. I have found that although mosfets are convenient and they will last long enough if you stay away from the resonance frequency (otherwise they toast) another fun method to play around with this is using a solenoid coil with a reed switch inside. I explain some of that here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg129703#msg129703

But anyways, maybe I should not have said anything for the risk of steering you in a wrong path. I am sorry about that. One thing though. I will be redoing this scheme soon. I recently purchased two rather large high voltage transformers and will be driving them this way so when I get to it, I will post for sure on the forum. The idea will be to do it bigger but slower so I stay away from the destructive resonance point.

I now know what you mean, I think.Wondeful! Did you resolved how to get output from transformer without disrupting this process ?
Maybe arrangement of elements should be changed to get radiant energy effect on transformer ?

I will tell you how in my opinion that radiant effect is produced. On a peak of DC impulse sent into transformer/coil ,magnetic field is collapsing and changing direction.In correct moment another DC pulse should be generated on transformer/coil  a little bit stronger that collapsing one.  In small amount of time those two fields look like a hollow sphere sound source because the collapsing field and increasing field nullify each other effects except small area far from the source (coil) when second impulse was stronger then collapsing one.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #165 on: October 20, 2009, 10:01:03 PM »

Offline Tito L. Oracion

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #166 on: October 28, 2009, 03:05:58 AM »
Hi everyone good day  ;D

by adding carbon fusion technology, we can eliminate some transformers and still powerful.  8)


ozone patent is the best, by making some editing in the circuit you can make a cool device.  8)


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #167 on: October 28, 2009, 08:39:29 AM »
Tito

Do you mean that we should add something to primary or rather secondary ?

I will tell you what I think. If discharge circuit in Tesla ozone patent is working in resonant frequency (make& break done with correct timing to allow that) then because circuit here is parallel resonant LC circuit it has infinite impedance and is basically an open circuit for power source. So there is no consumption of power during disruptive discharge of capacitor. In the same moment however there is series LC circuit : high self-induction coil and distributive capacitance of line.That is charging circuit. This circuit has to be also in resonance to maximize voltage/power stored in magnetic field and minimize time of storage. I don't know how that relates to impedance (still didn't learned much about series resonant circuits). Anyway - it's obvious that make&break must be done at the resonance with both circuits (maybe at resonant frequency of charging circuit and higher harmonic of discharge circuit)

Two interesting points :
1. In LC parallel resonant circuit , when impedance is infinite - can we still add energy to such circuit by interrupting it at higher harmonic frequency and charging from fast inductive discharge from charging circuit ? Would be WONDERFUL ! because applied impulses will be accumulated...
2. Maybe we can add another capacitor , this time to the charging circuit in such way that we effectively make a parallel resonant circuit along with series resonant circuit  AT THE SAME FREQUENCY. We would get a charging circuit which is storing energy but which impedance is fast rising and power source do not add much energy - no need to short-circuit with a lot of drained amps from power source to charge high self-induction coil!

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #167 on: October 28, 2009, 08:39:29 AM »
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Offline Tito L. Oracion

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #168 on: October 28, 2009, 09:46:05 AM »
Tito

Do you mean that we should add something to primary or rather secondary ?


actually i'm adding primary to secondary to convert small kick into big kick!  8)

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #169 on: October 28, 2009, 10:42:01 AM »
actually i'm adding primary to secondary to convert small kick into big kick!  8)

I thought about this for a long time but I dismissed it because I thought it would damage capacitor.
Look at the picture. I've done variation of it with car coil which is flyback but in my case secondary was not connected back to the circuit.I wonder if that could be done using a carbon resistor from HV back to capacitor.Never checked such circuit however.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #170 on: October 28, 2009, 10:49:17 AM »
corrected circuit a bit

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #171 on: October 28, 2009, 11:43:36 AM »
Tito
Can this idea you have going, be used in lets say a bedini circuit to improve upon it?
Thanks
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #172 on: October 28, 2009, 11:53:27 AM »
Hello all,

@forest

the first method....why not to switch the minus?

your last picture.....its maybe Tesla but its for sure Bearden. Try this ....play with this ....explore it.... its a fine setup.
Maybe you can make it work.

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« Reply #173 on: October 28, 2009, 12:04:13 PM »
Magluvin

IMHO   this idea makes Bedini very very obsolete.
It's like comparing toy car with real car (not the big however but that's the problem of components used )  ;D
For start I would like to get 9V battery and use it continuously without depleting, to power my electric kettle (2400W) :o  Damn tea boiling in winter raised my electric bill 200%  :o

Tito
Do I need to add something "extra"  to the secondary now to get "cross" ?  Does it require additional resonant circuit to catch energy into cap or simple a few transformer like on wire without bothering to be in resonance with secondary ? Did you read Colorado Notes ?

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« Reply #174 on: October 28, 2009, 12:17:41 PM »
I'm wondering how to find the correct equation for output power in case of stepped up voltage and how it depends on frequency ???

It has to be related to bouncing done in secondary,so it looks like a point inside a resonating cavity which is affected by the same wave going through and back at some frequency.
Still I cannot understand how it convert voltage kick into current kick . Maybe it's because the same amount of charge on secondary is now running back and forth much faster then on primary ?


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« Reply #175 on: October 28, 2009, 12:24:11 PM »
oouch ! so we have higher wave amplitude (voltage), higher frequency (wave bouncing) which also means higher amperage (because amps is charge moving in time, speed up them and you rise amps) - IF that effect can move small current (bounce it along with voltage wave) sent from primary to the secondary by Tesla method or resonance
 
And that all for free for some time up to the ringdown of bouncing of the secondary ? it look weird  :o it look impossible , crazy ! am I going nuts ?


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« Reply #176 on: October 28, 2009, 12:47:59 PM »
Forest
I feel where you are coming from, but if his "way" can take advantage of a small, simple generator charge, and have no battery, that would be a nice little project sitting on the table to show proof of concept.
If it doesnt take anything from the battery, then it wont take anything from the generator either, and if the output is good, we could run the bedini (efficient) to drive the generator that has no load. OU, isnt it? A little vicious circle.
Its just easier and cheaper to experiment small.

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« Reply #177 on: October 28, 2009, 01:07:05 PM »
It takes from battery but you can minimalize amount of power taken  IMHO  Because output power can be huge you can divert part of it back to close the loop and remove battery. Isn't that simpler then using Bedini wheel ? Look at Kapanadze device or Willis magnacoaster. The goal is to have battery only as a starter.

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« Reply #178 on: October 28, 2009, 01:17:24 PM »
That is fine. Lets say I just give it a spin, without a battery to start, that would be good also.
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« Reply #179 on: October 28, 2009, 03:03:36 PM »
Not that I know what Tito is actually doing to get his setup going, but I see caps in series with coils, and I hear Tesla saying pulse the coil with a charged cap.
I have tried some experiments with a coil being induced buy a rotor with magnets and using caps in series with it to induce voltage across another coil that isnt near the rotor. Then I use a reed to pulse the second coil and taking the bemf from that to charge another cap. The rotor driven coil has much less drag on it compared to without the caps and Im still getting some high voltages to my final cap. I am trying things.
But Tito-wan-kenobe is our only hope!  Thus far. =]

Magluvin

 

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