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Offline gyulasun

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #150 on: October 17, 2009, 12:38:20 AM »
Here is a better one : http://www.youtube.com/user/NRGFromTheVacuum#p/u/0/Q6q77SZlE4Y

Look at the end for schematic, it's now more clear then previous , I hope this is still the same effect.

I saw all those videos last year and overlooked one fact.
This capacitor is never connected to battery source in closed loop !
In fact each time when it is connected to battery - it's also SHORTED!

So - YES ! it is Bearden method of charging without current ! Current flow through the coil and back to the battery while in the same time capacitor is in short-circuit.


Did I overlooked something ?

Once Tito said something about WING EDGE effect, and if you follow other thread there is Ali who invented electrical analogy to siphon effect.
Maybe it's one and the same ?

A spike of current flow through the coil and meet capacitor. Now there are where Wing Edge or Spihon effect HAS TO occur. I really have no explanation what is going on later..I have just a few ideas.At least 3 he he  ;D

Hi Forest,

My understanding on the circuit shown in the video is that when the two switches are activated, current is taken from the input source (either from a battery or from a capacitor), hence energy is CONSUMED from the source.

And when the switches are opened, the flyback pulse from the coil charges up the output capacitor (Notice there must be a certain time difference in the switch-off operation of the switches with respect to each other so that the flyback pulse should be able to charge up the output cap before the circuit is fully opened with the switch in series with the coil).

So my question is why is it said that charging the cap cost no current (from the input source)? 

Current is actually taken from the source by the coil, hence the magnetic energy thus created in the coil is transferred into a capacitor from the flyback pulse's energy.  Normally these two energies (i.e. the one stored in the coil and the one received in the capacitor) are pretty much the same (the difference comes mainly from coil losses). 

It would be good to know the self inductance of the coil and make some calculations to compare the magnetic energy stored in the coil and the electric energy captured from the flyback pulse and collected in the capacitor.

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #151 on: October 17, 2009, 12:41:03 AM »
What is Wing Edge Effect? My search returned nothing.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #152 on: October 17, 2009, 11:14:07 AM »
Look at the place of coil and switch.IMHO if that was charging by flyback that would recharge source capacitor or battery. How flyback can be generated in unconnected part of circuit which has no coil ?

To make it clear someone should test a modified circuit but I really don't know if correct switching could be done in such case.

(I have no room to fully make down switch but you should see what I mean.)

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #153 on: October 17, 2009, 11:18:02 AM »
What is Wing Edge Effect? My search returned nothing.


"A wing is a device which encourages the air to flow over it so that when it leaves the rear wing edge, the air moves downwards. That produces a thrust upwards on the wing. A smoke-filled wind tunnel shows this beautifully with curling eddies of smoke flicking off the wing edges. Unfortunately to make a good eddy takes time. The wing has to move a few times its own length to get things started. This makes it tricky if you are going to flap as the maximum travel of a wing is about its own length and very little lift is generated for most of the stroke. Nature has come up with a number of interesting solutions to this problem of which the "clap-fling" is a good example. When a small bird or insect wants to take off it needs a lot of lift. What it does is bring its wings together above its back so they clap, expelling air from between them. As the wings are separated, air is drawn quickly in to fill the void. The wings are flung apart and lift is generated immediately as the air is already in motion in the correct way. "

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #154 on: October 17, 2009, 12:24:36 PM »
Look at the place of coil and switch.IMHO if that was charging by flyback that would recharge source capacitor or battery. How flyback can be generated in unconnected part of circuit which has no coil ?

To make it clear someone should test a modified circuit but I really don't know if correct switching could be done in such case.

(I have no room to fully make down switch but you should see what I mean.)

How flyback can be generated in unconnected part of circuit which has no coil ?


Yes, I also pondered on this question since yesterday and revise the flyback explanation as follows:

1)  both switches get closed, current is taken from the input source and flows into the coil  (the amount of peak current is for instance 23.2V/4.7=4.93 Amper, 4.7 Ohm is the DC resistance of the coil, 23.2V is in the input capacitor 7500uF)

2) now the second switch (that is in parallel with the output capacitor 35uF) gets open, the first switch should still remain closed)

3) the output capacitor starts charging up because the previous current that was flowing the moment before opening the second switch should change due to the appearance of the output capacitor in an already series LC circuit, to this current change the coil should respond by a flyback pulse (the previous current gets reduced as the output capacitor charges up, this causes the current change)

4) now the first switch is opened (and it must be opened in the moment when the voltage across the output capacitor just peaks, this occurs when most of the magnetic energy stored so far in the coil swings over to the output capacitor, like in a normal series LC resonant circuit).

So I think a magnetic - electric energy transfer happens in the series LC circuit and this explains the importance of timing of the switches, sorry for my previous explanation was not a detailed one, I know flyback pulse comes about in the moment of switching off the current in a coil but then the pulse cannot really charge up a capacitor that is already NOT connected,  (maybe the flyback energy goes via the spark when the first switch is opened?).

Your modified circuit with using a third switch could test the dilemma of where the charge come into the output capacitor from: it comes from the energy swing of the LC resonant circuit or from "outside" like from aether...
But how do you think the timing of the third switch wrt the other two switches?

Regards, Gyula

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #155 on: October 17, 2009, 03:17:34 PM »
my feeling multipactor and also spark effect

enclosed a reading on spark effect

.... if I remember well the best effect with copper that have more free electrons

 

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #156 on: October 19, 2009, 12:53:52 PM »
hi everyone good day  ;D

YOU'RE ALMOST THERE, TRY MAKE IT MORE WEIRD  ;D

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #157 on: October 19, 2009, 02:19:42 PM »
hi everyone good day  ;D

YOU'RE ALMOST THERE, TRY MAKE IT MORE WEIRD  ;D

Ha! But who is almost there ? wings ?
Tito I can feel how it works but we need a bit more mysterious tips ,please - about how to make the simplest circuit.

It's accumulation of energy ,which can be done when capacitor is disruptively discharged AND then capacitor is INSTANTLY recharged . I'm 100% sure about it.
The rest is how to get this energy by magnetic induction probably using strange coil configuration which doesn't obey Lenz law, but we are first need to learn how to accumulate this energy.

Does video link I posted IS the effect of instant recharging capacitor as Bearden said - without taking current from power source ? Electrons trapped in big coil ?
Small kick converted into current kick ?

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #158 on: October 19, 2009, 03:27:25 PM »
hi everyone good day  ;D

YOU'RE ALMOST THERE, TRY MAKE IT MORE WEIRD  ;D

Based on the above circuit Wingedge2.JPG, I think what Tito is trying to say is the above circuit lacks at least one complete transformer somewhere. Now that transformer could be one primary to 1 to 10 secondaries, or 1 to 10 primaries to 1 secondary, however you need the output.

I would say the following changes. Remove the top switch but keep the dots and remove the bottom switch and connect the black and white dots to make a green dot. Add a transformer between the top switch black and white dots. Add a switch between the top black dot and new bottom green dot. All you need is two switches. One shorting switch to create the damped wave (new center switch), and another to divert the flyback to the battery positive (the existing switch on the cap).

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #159 on: October 19, 2009, 06:43:22 PM »
Based on the above circuit Wingedge2.JPG, I think what Tito is trying to say is the above circuit lacks at least one complete transformer somewhere. Now that transformer could be one primary to 1 to 10 secondaries, or 1 to 10 primaries to 1 secondary, however you need the output.

I would say the following changes. Remove the top switch but keep the dots and remove the bottom switch and connect the black and white dots to make a green dot. Add a transformer between the top switch black and white dots. Add a switch between the top black dot and new bottom green dot. All you need is two switches. One shorting switch to create the damped wave (new center switch), and another to divert the flyback to the battery positive (the existing switch on the cap).

I'm not sure if I got it.The coil stores magnetic field and electrons (partly,slower ones) and then there is a flyback generated but where ?

wattsup ,please give us schematic of your proposition ! Talking with other people about circuit not put on schematic is very hard.


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #160 on: October 19, 2009, 06:57:25 PM »
Hi all,

may be this ties in here :

Self-Energy of a asymetrical Capacitor

Dr. Eugene's video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-jWfzkz_E

Dr. Eugene's blog site:
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com

Regards

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #161 on: October 19, 2009, 08:07:21 PM »
@forest

All such schemes generally boil down to the Tesla Ozone Patent. I did some quick changes (nothing fancy) to show you a circuit that should be burned in the brains of all aspiring OUers. This will get the juice flowing in two directions with great damped waves that tesla says is the only real way of driving something with the least battery consumption possible.

If you look in The Tesla project thread, it is pretty well explained there. The key is the final transformer and how you go about transforming the high produced voltaged into lower voltage and higher amperage. That second capacitor switch I marked as optional since you don't really need it because the flyback will return to the source anyways, just with this one switch. I am sure Tito used this as a place to start and he added from there, probably more and more left coils, more and more transformers coils, and even more and more caps. I'd hate to put my finger on his device when it made some flyback. Ouch. You see, if he is producing 1200 watts, he must therefore be playing with 1200 watts, in a way that his supply batteries are not being depleated.
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #162 on: October 19, 2009, 09:40:31 PM »
@forest

All such schemes general boil down to the Tesla Ozone Patent. I did some quick changes (nothing fancy) to show you a circuit that should be burned in the brains of all aspiring OUers. This will get the juice flowing in two directions with great damped waves that tesla says is the only real way of driving something with the least battery consumption possible.

If you look in The Tesla project thread, it is pretty well explained there. The key is the final transformer and how you go about transforming the high produced voltaged into lower voltage and higher amperage. That second capacitor switch I marked as optional since you don't really need it because the flyback will return to the source anyways, just with this one switch. I am sure Tito used this as a place to start and he added from there, probably more and more left coils, more and more transformers coils, and even more and more caps. I'd hate to put my finger on his device when it made some flyback. Ouch. You see, if he is producing 1200 watts, he must therefore be playing with 1200 watts, in a way that his supply batteries are not being depleated.

Nice circuit, but I don't like the idea of removing second switch near capacitor which you marked as optional. Without that switch capacitor is simply charged from power source.
This is not what we are looking for! Not charging capacitor and supply back flyback to battery to keep it charged.
No no no ! That way is a common mistake and maybe disinformation.
We are looking for instant capacitor recharge system so we will be able as Tesla did store energy in capacitor then discharge it many thousands times per second.
This is impossible with capacitor charged from power source because recharging process takes a lot of time .

Take a small capacitor able to store 1W and release such 1W in abrupt impulse.
Then discharge disruptively such capacitor 2000 times per second.You've got 2000W floating power in circuit. We all know about disruptive discharge,that's easy part.What we don't know is : how to recharge capacitor instantly and surely that it's impossible with normal electron current in normal electric circuit.

Something is extraordinary here. Hmm...what about one plate capacitor <-> two plates capacitor conversion ? is that the key of converting voltage kick into current kick ?

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #163 on: October 20, 2009, 08:29:32 PM »
A capacitor that charges/discharges very fast is called a conductor or wire.  The only reason it doesn't hold a charge is because it has already discharged the moment it was charged.  Unless the conductor is wrapped in a coil.  Then it will hold a charge for a bit longer due to the Inductance effect.  But then its discharge will take longer too.

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« Reply #164 on: October 20, 2009, 08:30:11 PM »
@forest

I agree with you that it seems far fetched but you just don't understand the circuit. Think of it like you are playing with a Slinky toy. Every time the slinky wave reaches the top most part of the curve, it turns a fan.

An inductor will discharge when disconnected, a capacitor will discharge when connected.

I really don't have time to get into a heavy duty discussion of this, because I am trying to focus on a few main things right now, but I would recommend you look at the following annimation I made some time ago and read the post just above it by @allcanadian.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg80110#msg80110

When Tesla made that Ozone Patent, the production of ozone was just an excuse. In the patent, he only put a few lines regarding ozone itself, not even any normal mention of pounds or grams per hour production that anyone with an ozone invention would be eager to explain. So you can understand he did not really care what the device was producing. That capacitor was charging and discharging very fast. Ultimately you will get to a point were the only real thing holding back any major advancement in such pulsing schemes will be the pulsing medium used, and how long it will last. I have found that although mosfets are convenient and they will last long enough if you stay away from the resonance frequency (otherwise they toast) another fun method to play around with this is using a solenoid coil with a reed switch inside. I explain some of that here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg129703#msg129703

But anyways, maybe I should not have said anything for the risk of steering you in a wrong path. I am sorry about that. One thing though. I will be redoing this scheme soon. I recently purchased two rather large high voltage transformers and will be driving them this way so when I get to it, I will post for sure on the forum. The idea will be to do it bigger but slower so I stay away from the destructive resonance point.

 

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