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Author Topic: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?  (Read 105424 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #75 on: November 28, 2011, 01:23:10 AM »
This is being looped in Germany As I print this!!
An HHO driven Gen set that makes the power to run it self Plus makes enuff to run the House.
Its at the German OU Site I'll look for the Link Tomorrow and post it.
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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #76 on: November 28, 2011, 01:35:23 AM »
keep up the good work, chet!

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #77 on: November 28, 2011, 11:19:55 PM »
Chet, could we have that link, please?

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #77 on: November 28, 2011, 11:19:55 PM »
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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #78 on: November 29, 2011, 12:50:50 AM »

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #79 on: March 02, 2014, 04:21:40 PM »
Hi all. I'm just starting with HHO. I've been looking around for info for a while. I started to build the HHOHHU heater this week. I have made a modification to the fan system and heating unit. The size should be about the same, maybe smaller... I am not done with the configuration. I'm also keeping a list with prices of the material to give an idea of the cost and where I got the parts. It is not easy to get all the hardware for this project... at least in Qu├ębec, Canada. I like the idea of working in an "open source" basis. Collectively we can work much faster for the good of all. It's time we get some autonomy on this earth. I will get back with my results once I'm done. 2 to 3 weeks... be well.

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #80 on: September 13, 2014, 10:53:02 PM »
I dont mean to pop anyone's bubble here, but I have finally gotten to the point that I think I need to say something.  HHO (Brown's Gas) and the research in different areas is a great thing in my opinion, however, most of you on this forum seem to be stuck on using HHO gas with an actual flame (such as a torch), and this, in my opinion is limiting many of you from actually going somewhere with the HHO stuff.
Hi, my name is Richard Will, I am the Chairman of the Minnesota Energy Conservation Council, an Inventor of sorts, a researcher and have a fairly strong scientific background.
Ok, so what do I think you should be doing?  Broaden your views on the use of HHO.  Example, did you know that if you take a catalytic converter from a car, use a torch to burn off any coatings, and then, with no flame whatsoever, you blow HHO into the catalytic converter, you will see the subtrate in the cat start to glow orange or red. (I am writing this in layman's terms for people that are not up to date on things). 
The new technology seems to have started in Italy, and is called an E-Cat.  This is not an idea that originated with me, but is something that I think some of you may want to start looking at, because the amount of thermal energy that comes from this, defies what you may believe in physics, and it has been proven by independent scientists.
Just trying to offer up the fact that you should not get stuck on a single idea when it comes to HHO or the variety of technology surrounding it.  Explore other ideas and avenues and try to make some advancements or clinical tests that can be shared with others, so that as a combined knowledge of many, that everyone together can progress.
Just my thoughts on the matter.

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #81 on: September 15, 2014, 06:09:26 PM »
Richard
Have you done any Caloric testing on the Car "cats" as compared to strait resistor  heat ?


The recombination which occurs in Car catalytic converters is by no means more out than in , have you studied other catalysts and found otherwise?


That being said HHO,  Hydroxy Browns gas ETC needs much more attention and yes out of the box thinking,especially into its Odd reactive properties with certain elements .


With all respect
ChetKremens@gmail.com

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« Reply #82 on: September 15, 2014, 07:51:40 PM »
Dear Ramset,
I am glad you asked, and are aware of other alternatives such as the use of cats.  Actually, the Cat from a car puts out a high level of heat with HHO gas - far more than the use of a flame.  The key, as you probably already know, is that the actual HHO gas has to pass over the substrate, with no flame whatsoever, in order to get the proper reaction.
Several things that I will divulge from our research to you:  When pushing the HHO gases into the Cat, you need to do several things that are fairly easy; First, the HHO gas should be disbursed as fine and wide as possible.  For our initial tests, we had a lot of success with using the brass "flashback" arrestor that you can find in the nozzle piece of a fuel oil furnace gun.  At some point, when I have more time, I will take some pictures of this item and how to remove it for everyone to see, and upload the pics here for everyone.  This is key, because if you try to direct HHO at that substrate through something like a torch tip,   the substrate will glow orange or red and produce too much heat and will ultimately light the flame of the torch.  YOU DO NOT WANT A FLAME - you only want the gases to pass over the substrate.  That is why you need to disburse the gases as finely and widely as you can.  If done correctly, even in a rudimentary setup, you shuld be able to get over 7-800 degrees from the lower part of the substrate within about 30-60 seconds.
The second key is that you need to enclose the bottom of the cat, so that the only thing that is flowing into the cat is the HHO gas.  The reason for this is that if you do not enclose the bottom of the cat, regular air will flow into the cat and cause a lot of excess water vapor to be created.  Once the substrate get the slightest bit of water on it, it will stop reacting, and then you are done.
As to your comment about other cat's, you can use a standard cat from a car, but try making some alterations to it.  Using a very fine file, file some nickle "dust" from a piece of pure nickle.  Put this into your cat and make sure you spread it around as well as you can.  Now, with a standard torch, heat the nickle so that it becomes soft and starts to "flow" down the substrate channels.  You dont want to block the channels, so don't use a lot of the nickle dust.  You will find that with the addition of pure nickle, that your reaction will be much greater.
It should be noted that we have found that the HHO gas does not react through the entire substrate of the catalytic converter.  In fact, we have found that the HHO gases are completely used up in the first inch or so of the substrate, and the only thing that happens beyond that point is that the HHO gases will start to turn back into water, which, as mentioned earlier, once water gets into this, you are done, until it dries completely.  Water is your worst enemy in this.
Because we have spent so much time and money on what we have been working on, I am not going to divulge all of our findings on this forum, but I will give hints and suggestions if asked.  As I stated earlier, when I have time, I will try to dig up some of the old pics from a few years ago from when we started working on this, so that those of you that are interested, it will help give you a foundation upon which you can build from.  Any questions, other than "tell us everything", are welcome. 
Rich Will; Chairman
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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #83 on: September 15, 2014, 08:04:36 PM »
http://cloudfront.zoro.com/product/full/3AAE6_AS01.JPG

Above, is a link or an image (since I haven't posted images to this forum in the past, I am not sure if if this will appear as an actual image or a link).  You can see the nozzle for a fuel oil furnace gun.  With this nozzle you can see the brass filter that we use as a "diffuser" that I mentioned above.  This filter/diffuser piece actually screws into the nozzle, and is threaded.  It may take some work to get the 2 pieces apart, but they will unscrew from each other.  I am just taking some pics from other websites right now that will hopefully help you.  Here is another pic which shows the breakdown of the nozzle:

http://www.sthilairesupply.com/Handlers/ImageHandler.ashx?im=8A100.JPG

Now, the nice thing with this filter, that we are going to use as a diffuser, is that it does have a screw base on it, which obviously means we can easily attach it to an HHO torch or other HHO apparatus.  This will not only help disburse the HHO gases, but will also help to act as a flashback arrestor. 

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #84 on: September 15, 2014, 08:15:08 PM »
Again, taking an image from the internet, this is what the inside of a catalytic converter looks like for those of you that are unaware:


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« Reply #85 on: September 15, 2014, 08:19:10 PM »
This is what Nickle dust will look like before you add it to the cat to increase reactions:
Remember to only use a VERY small amount of nickel dust!  You do not want to block passageways or the HHO gases will not be able to pass over the material.

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #86 on: September 16, 2014, 01:24:16 AM »
MECC-1


Thank you very much,I will report back with results.


Chet

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #87 on: September 16, 2014, 03:30:08 AM »
Chet,
For what it is worth, I'll give you this much to help you out.  In our initial tests, we used a full catalytic converter with no modifications, just to test the outcome.
What we learned right off the bat, was that most catalytic converters have a resin over them, that will allow for no reaction whatsoever.  The way to get around this is to take a simple propane torch and with flame, slowly move the flame over the entire surface of the catalytic converter on both ends.  The resin will bubble and usually turn white.  Getting rid of the resin takes a fair amount of work, as it sometimes likes to clog the shafts on the cat.  Once the resin is burned off, the cat will work properly, and the Nickle can be added, but do it VERY lightly, because our first attempt at doing it kind of bombed due to the fact that we added a little too much and started plugging the channels.
The next thing I will tell you is that using the entire surface area of the cat was interesting for testing purposes, but made a couple of things VERY clear immediately.  We were testing with both 1 litler per minute as well as 2 liters per minutes of the HHO gas.  You will note in your own testing, that even with diffusing the gas, the the use of the entire surface area of a standard catalytic converter will result in "hot spots".  By "hot spots", what I mean is that even at 2 liters per minute, it was not enough to put HHO gas into every single channel of that cat.  Because of this, some channels tested out (taking laser temps from the top of the cat) at 300+ degrees, while channels only a 1/4 inch away may have had temps in the 190 degree area.  Obviosuly, the reason I am telling you this is because while you will find a lot of answers yourself from test a full surface cat, when it comes right down to it, you will likely realize that you need to cut the cat open and remove the substrate and make a new housing that will work with the amount of HHO gas that you plan to use. 
Along with this, you should know that we found some very interesting data through our studies and research.  Very odd things, such as a small amount of the nickle, through the nuclear reaction, will actually turn into copper.  Something strange occurs that actually alters the nickle's atomic properties and molecular structure and gives it the properties of copper.  This does not happen immediately, but it will happen over time, which is why I suspect that Rossi has stated that the Nickle has to be "recharged" about every 6 months.
Also, as I had mentioned in an earlier post, you will find that the HHO gas does almost all, if not 100% of it's reaction on the substrate within the first inch.  Thus, another clue to you that once you dissect the cat and remove the substrate, that you will want to design your own housing and heat exchange system to draw the heat off.
On a store bought cat, the temp readings at the top of the cat may read only about 300 degrees with 2 liters of HHO, however, if you stop the reaction and take temp readings from the bottom of the cat, you will note that the temps will be in the 700-800 degree range, and these temps can be realized with 60-90 seconds.  These temps are consistent once they are reached, and the only reason they might lower is because of the presence of water vapor on the substrate.  past this, I will let you learn what you will from your initial experiments and tests, and then we can compare some notes.
For SAFETY REASONS I will mention the following:
In our initial tests, we diffused the HHO gas into the bottom of the catalytic converter, but did not seal the bottom of the cat becayuse with figured that the hydrogen gas would rise into the substrate and there was no reason to seal the bottom of the unit.  This turned out to be a bad idea one day.  As it turns out, at least from our testing for the past several years, the failure to seal the bottom of the cat and make a single hole for the diffuser to go into, can result in what is deemed as an "atomic firecracker", which is extremely loud and puts off a very bright light.  Kind of a nasty situation that I would just as soon help you to avoid.
Here is what we did after the explosion:  We did this in a very rudimentary fashion, but it worked.  The bottom of an aluminum pop can  was cut off.  As it turned out, for the cat we were using for initial testing, the bottom of the pop can, turned upside down, fir the hole in the cat almost perfectly.  From there, we drilled a hole in the center of the pop can bottom and inserted the "diffuser", which is really the filter from the fuel oil furnace nozzle.  This prevented common air from entering into the cat from the bottom and allowed for ONLY HHO gas to filter into the cat.  This solved the problem, and we never had another issue with an explosion.  Of course, upon learning this, we have had precision pieces made for our customized housing, but this was a lesson well learned, and I don't want others to have to lose their hearing for 3 days from the explosion.
The 700-800 degree constant transferrable heat that you can get from 300-600 watts of power on your initial tests/experiments will show you that this way of doing this has a lot of validity.  Once you modify your substrate and make a custom housing, you find that you can get even greater temps with less power, and that the temps are a constant.
If I may throw a suggestion out there, think about the use of this in the way of steam, power generation and home heating.  Once you have made you initial findings, modified a few obvious things and start seeing temps that are well in excess of 1000 degrees, I am sure your own thoughts will start to venture into many other ideas of how this energy can be used.  Oh, and as a footnote, during the day, because the small versions of this don't need a lot of power to create the HHO needed for reactions, please take into account that solar panels will easily create enough power during the daylight hours to make plenty of HHO, and keep this completely off the grid for many hours a day.
Rich

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #88 on: September 16, 2014, 03:35:20 PM »
Rich


Have you ever done a fixed loss to ambient control test ?


thx
Chet

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #89 on: September 16, 2014, 05:59:29 PM »
Dear MECC-1. Normally, a catalytic converter in a car exhausting system has a purpose of cleaning the exhaust gases. What purpose it has in your device? More heat from hydrogen?

 

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