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Author Topic: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?  (Read 105297 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2009, 12:40:18 AM »
Are there any kits yet available to build this ?

Did the company finally state some real measurements
what goes in electrical and comes out as heat ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2009, 02:13:24 AM »
Mark

Still looking in to this

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2009, 04:07:08 AM »
I think these kits will become a very useful test bed for basement inventors that want to economically sidestep the danger of HHO and just experiment with low pressure hydrogen.

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2009, 04:07:08 AM »
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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2009, 06:19:29 PM »
I have made some tests with the gas, heating a room:

roomsize: 15 Cubicm., Starttemp. 11 degree celsius
I used 14 coppertubes. Tempture was raised after 30 min at 14 degr.
total Watt used 330
For camparison, i made the same test once more with a electric heater with 450 Watt:
Starttem. 11 degree, after 30 min. Tempt. was raised to 13,5 degree.
So the gas was heating with less Watt a little bit more.
The coppertubes get quite hot, but after installing a little fan, i could touch them with bar hands.

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2009, 08:41:02 PM »
You need to keep in mind that thermal conductivity on copper is 380 and air is only 0,025.

In your case the source of heat is burning (reaction between hydrogen and oxygen). To get most of reaction it need to be balanced  so the oxygen and hydrogen need to to be optimal for high temp burning reaction. It is important because it is source of heat/energy. You just wont get much more heat from something else.

The other part is that you need to transfer heat to environment. So you need to use thermal conduction and convection (aim flame directly into tubes), and utilize thermal radiation  just ... reflect maybe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer
Also to heat up all tubes they need to be well connected to conduct well. So the are near tube tangent area need to be glued with somekind of thermal glue .. Maybe square shaped tubes.

Im sure you will get better results by fixing some things  ;)

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2009, 02:14:50 AM »
What if you heat a tank of oil( like corn oil or something safe), and have it pumped through a radiator and then return to the heating tank.  Mount an electric fan on the radiator.  Insulate the tubes to and from the tank.  Think of it like in your car.  I think that would allow better thermal transfer.

Mark

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2009, 03:13:47 AM »
As far as the fan cooling the pipes down, One pipe in the center should be longer. And then a piece of flex pipe runs off that through a funnel, to the fan. The fan only pulls heat off the one longer pipe. So the rest of the pipes should stay rather hot. Haven't confirmed it yet, but it should work. 
I have made some tests with the gas, heating a room:

roomsize: 15 Cubicm., Starttemp. 11 degree celsius
I used 14 coppertubes. Tempture was raised after 30 min at 14 degr.
total Watt used 330
For camparison, i made the same test once more with a electric heater with 450 Watt:
Starttem. 11 degree, after 30 min. Tempt. was raised to 13,5 degree.
So the gas was heating with less Watt a little bit more.
The coppertubes get quite hot, but after installing a little fan, i could touch them with bar hands.

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2009, 10:48:16 AM »
I did this little experiment only out of couriosity, but for future tests, my too, i tend to build something different, like Mark said, with a tank, radiator and oil.

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2009, 02:02:24 PM »
I have made some tests with the gas, heating a room:

roomsize: 15 Cubicm., Starttemp. 11 degree celsius
I used 14 coppertubes. Tempture was raised after 30 min at 14 degr.
total Watt used 330
For camparison, i made the same test once more with a electric heater with 450 Watt:
Starttem. 11 degree, after 30 min. Tempt. was raised to 13,5 degree.
So the gas was heating with less Watt a little bit more.
The copper tubes get quite hot, but after installing a little fan, i could touch them with bar hands.
Woodpecker, The recent claims of over unity all deal with circulating monatomic hydrogen through submicron cavities that leverage the Casimir effect. the Casimir effect tries to push the sides of the cavity together if free to move but if braced apart creates an exclusion field that restricts the larger virtual particles in the time stream from flowing through the gap. Black Light Power uses cavities formed when the softer Al is leached out of a Ni-Al alloy heated to 200 C to dissassociate the impregnated hydrogen. Jovian corp is building a prototype that circulates monatomic hydrogen through stacks of conductive & insulating plates with an array of drilled submicron columns all the way through the stack -therefore what can you do at home? exclusion field cavities are hard to build because they want to self aggregate (Darpa is presently funding projects to mitigate this effect because it is limiting their nano toys). This is why BLPs catalyst is a 2 step procedure- create an alloy then leach out the softer metal. So your easiest experiment is to use heat to disassociate the hydrogen in the same pipe sourcing your flame so use a thick long pipe and heat in the middle in case you have leaks at the connectors and instead of killing yourself trying to create a skeletal catalyst experiment with creating "Casimir gaps" - try sand, lime or conductive powders in the heated tube -crystaline would be best- the facets not only create the gaps which would form the casimir geometry but they also allow the gas to diffuse through - there is a property of hydrogen diffusing though metal lattices to become monatomic naturally such that if you had a crystaline metal powder you might not even need to heat the tubes which is the method Jovian is proposing. Or any other method to make your hydrogen monatomic but this is the other reason this process is so difficult to uncover is that hydrogen wants to immediately drop energy and form a molecule -if you keep it monatomic long enough to enter a casimir cavity they become hydrinos appearing to shrink -if they bond while shrunk they cannot freely grow back to normal when exiting the field and nature has to break the bonds restoring the mon atomic energy levels and rearming them for the next cavity - if you have these cavities adjacent to each other like Jovian you can repeat this procedure over and over turning nature into a hydrino thermal rectifier.
Fran

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2009, 05:58:15 AM »
Hi,

In the XOGEN video on youtube they show 2 way to heat a home

1- Heat a ceramic plate in a forced air heater

2- Heat water

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXo7CVFI5Sk

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2009, 07:28:40 AM »
Pmaz

Thanks

Then they are poisoning themselves[and all their customers ]

 With either Chlorine gas or carbon monoxide[I forget which right now]

That system needs to be vented [not possible with current design]

WE WILL DO BETTER

Chet
You can't get chlorine gas from that.  If they were using NaCl then yes.  and I'm not sure how you're going to get carbon monixide either.  doesn't that come from a starved flame?  this has a permanent supply of fresh oxygen with the hydrogen.  and where is the carbon source to begin with?

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2009, 10:34:42 PM »

Quote fom an unsourced article...

" a special metal alloy was patented by Freedman (USA) in 1957 that spontaneously breaks water into hydrogen and oxygen with no outside electrical input and without causing any chemical changes in the metal itself. This means that this special metal alloy can make hydrogen from water for free — forever. "

Anybody else have any other info on this ?

Regards...


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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2009, 11:49:36 PM »
Quote fom an unsourced article...

" a special metal alloy was patented by Freedman (USA) in 1957 that spontaneously breaks water into hydrogen and oxygen with no outside electrical input and without causing any chemical changes in the metal itself. This means that this special metal alloy can make hydrogen from water for free — forever. "

Anybody else have any other info on this ?

Regards.

If you find it please post info.I'll look also


Offline exxcomm0n

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Re: HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?
« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2009, 01:39:31 AM »
A simple google search with the criteria "freedman patent 1957"served me these:

http://www.free-energy.ws/samuel-freedman.html (pdf of an article current in that day and links to patents)

http://www.nuenergy.org/experiments/chemalloy.htm (article by Samuel Freedman and offer for purchase of chemalloy LIKE rods)

http://keelynet.com/energy/chem.htm (same article with actual recipe it would seem. This last found w/ the addition of "Samuel" in search criteria)

US Patent #2,796,345
US Patent #2,927,856

Just what 3 mins of looking pulled up.


 

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