Author Topic: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!! (Read 199131 times)

Zigis · « **Reply #225 on:** March 08, 2009, 01:06:16 AM »

Hi NRGFromTheVacuum ,
your experiment is really very interesting!
I certainly want to try it one day, good coil needed first.

I have few questions.
If I see correctly in your videos, you use both bifilar windings in parallel, this give you smallest resistance, any other benefit from this in your setup ?
Did you try connect windings in Tesla bifilar coil - first winding's end connected to second winding's beginning. This increase resistance from 4 ohm to 8 ohm (not good, if I understand right), but maybe increase output voltage?

Can I use 10mm diam ferrite from AM radio antena for coil? preferable turns, wire diam. ?

I see this process as two steps - in first step source voltage loud coil (right end of coil during both switches connected to ground), second step - coil loud back to cap. Wen both switches are on, cap is totally shorted. In my understanding, switch S1 must be connected little longer than S2, then cap is unshorted and can receive impulse from coil. Of course we are talking here about very short times. Maybe your best results is in moments, wen your "switch" is not perfectly synchronic?
Or it work in different way ?

Anyway, if this effect is really OU, it is relatively easy to make really useful machine from this.

Regards, Zigis.

scotty1 · « **Reply #226 on:** March 08, 2009, 01:40:17 AM »

Hi guy's.
Sorry I didn't drop in this week...been very busy.
I still don't understand why no more people have made tests....it's not hard?
All talking can do nothing.
I had read a certain experiment hundreds of times and had in my mind how it ought to be, but when I actually got around to doing the test the result was much different than I had predicted and I learn't alot that day that was new to me.
Scotty.

NRGFromTheVacuum · « **Reply #227 on:** March 08, 2009, 03:42:48 AM »

Quote from: scotty1 on March 08, 2009, 01:40:17 AM

Hi guy's.
Sorry I didn't drop in this week...been very busy.
I still don't understand why no more people have made tests....it's not hard?
All talking can do nothing.
I had read a certain experiment hundreds of times and had in my mind how it ought to be, but when I actually got around to doing the test the result was much different than I had predicted and I learn't alot that day that was new to me.
Scotty.

Scotty,

If you desire to to get a greater result, try making & breaking the connections on a brass plate on top of the coil.

NRGFromTheVacuum · « **Reply #228 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:01:40 AM »

Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 08, 2009, 12:46:34 AM

All of this talk still doesn't answer any of the important questions. I'm guessing you don't have access to the capacitor meter for your experiments. That's fine, and in fact for this case it's better to do the capacitance measurement with a simple RC time constant test. The RC time constant test does not require the cap to be first discharged before taking the test. In fact, you could use whatever charge happens to be on the cap to do the RC test.

If you could please do a quick RC test on both caps immediately before and after your experiment then that would help a lot.

If it's still a thumbs up, then all I can say is to build another bifilar coil and see if it works. If it were me, I would use other caps on the original bifilar coil before building another just to make sure it's not something special with the cap.

PL

Paul,

You are correct, I do not have worthy meters for this experiment right now. I preformed the RCTC tests and used a Craftsman DMM to time the decay. IMO, the results are flawed until I acquire higher impedance resistors, or the proper meter.

The RCTC test for the 30uF capacitor was done directly after the experiment.

The RCTC test for the 7500uF capacitor was done moments before the experiment.

Shanjaq · « **Reply #229 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:50:42 AM »

When Bifilar is implied, the relative winding direction must be specified: Are the two wires connected in parallel opposition(maximum capacitance, minimum inductive impedance) or are they in parallel co-linear(minimum ohmic resistance, maximum diverging flux density)?

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #230 on:** March 08, 2009, 05:41:16 AM »

NRG,

Those values are way off, so something's really wrong. Just -->

1. Measure the caps voltage and quickly remove the DMM.
2. Connect the resistor across the cap for a timed period. A 0.1 second resolution timer should be good enough, but you'll need larger R than 5.5K because 2.2 seconds is a bit fast. If you don't have a timer, then download one on your computer. Or if you have a digital time and perhaps a relay or transistor, then you could get better timing.
3. *Quickly* measure the caps voltage with your DMM.
4. Calculate the voltage drop percentage.
5. Enter the resistor, percentage, and time in the calculator and it will tell you the capacitance.

Try to use a DMM that has the highest input resistance, at least 10Mohm, so as to minimize cap voltage decay while you're measuring its voltage.

PL

gotoluc · « **Reply #231 on:** March 08, 2009, 06:05:47 AM »

Quote from: NRGFromTheVacuum on March 07, 2009, 04:44:14 AM

Paul,

The replication in that video is incorrect, and you will undoubtedly refuse my reasons for why..

Hi NRGFromTheVacuum,

I would not mind hearing the reasons why my replication is incorrect since I believe I'm the first to take the time to replicate your setup and to also make a video.

Thanks for sharing.

Luc

NRGFromTheVacuum · « **Reply #232 on:** March 08, 2009, 06:42:20 AM »

Quote from: Shanjaq on March 08, 2009, 04:50:42 AM

When Bifilar is implied, the relative winding direction must be specified: Are the two wires connected in parallel opposition(maximum capacitance, minimum inductive impedance) or are they in parallel co-linear(minimum ohmic resistance, maximum diverging flux density)?

The coil was made with the wires wound loosely around the core in a parallel co-linear fashion. The ends are then twisted and connected together.

In this case you do not want the wires wound in opposition to each other. The capacitance that builds in the coil causes the relaxation time to increase, which leads to a poor gradient. Without that increased flux density and low resistance, your gradient will be to insufficient to gather the output you desire.

NRGFromTheVacuum · « **Reply #233 on:** March 08, 2009, 07:08:54 AM »

Quote from: gotoluc on March 08, 2009, 06:05:47 AM

Hi NRGFromTheVacuum,

I would not mind hearing the reasons why my replication is incorrect since I believe I'm the first to take the time to replicate your setup and to also make a video.

Thanks for sharing.

Luc

Hi Luc,

Without getting into details, your capacitors voltage values are incorrect.

You did a great job building the circuit from the looks of the video, but the results are poor for the following reasons:

For the source capacitor you need a lower voltage value with high Farads. <-------(This caps written voltage value must always be lower then your collector caps)

For your collector capacitor you need a higher voltage value with low Farads <-------(This caps written voltage value must always be higher then your source caps)

Keep building, the best results will come in due time. I found so far that brass is the best metal to make & break the connections on, copper is only second best.

NRGFromTheVacuum · « **Reply #234 on:** March 08, 2009, 07:45:18 AM »

Quote from: PaulLowrance on March 08, 2009, 05:41:16 AM

NRG,

Those values are way off, so something's really wrong. Just -->

1. Measure the caps voltage and quickly remove the DMM.
2. Connect the resistor across the cap for a timed period. A 0.1 second resolution timer should be good enough, but you'll need larger R than 5.5K because 2.2 seconds is a bit fast. If you don't have a timer, then download one on your computer. Or if you have a digital time and perhaps a relay or transistor, then you could get better timing.
3. *Quickly* measure the caps voltage with your DMM.
4. Calculate the voltage drop percentage.
5. Enter the resistor, percentage, and time in the calculator and it will tell you the capacitance.

Try to use a DMM that has the highest input resistance, at least 10Mohm, so as to minimize cap voltage decay while you're measuring its voltage.

PL

Paul,

Just please be patient, I will try and get the proper measurements.

I will include measurements for both capacitors directly before and after the experiment takes place.

robbie47 · « **Reply #235 on:** March 08, 2009, 11:25:49 AM »

I've been reading this thread with great interest.
I am an electric engineer myself and have many years of research experience at the largest science laboratory of Europe. So it's hard to take some distance towards the traditional theories that mostly are used. Nevertheless, I think that experiments that challenge traditional insights, like this one, are necessary to make scientific progress.

I have a basic remark to NRG:
The principle you show is more convincing when you use two identical capacitors.
(one charged, as power source, one to be charged)
Would it be possible for you to perform your basic setup with 2 similar capacitors?

Zigis · « **Reply #236 on:** March 08, 2009, 06:33:34 PM »

Today i made few tests.
Because I haven't wire and all other parts for good coil right now, and because I am impatient, I take choke from old tube radio PS, unknown inductance, 43 ohm resistance and 30 mf x 400V paper in oil.

From source 12V car battery I can get 35-40V in best trying, with 4 small 9V batterys in series (30V) I can get 80-87V.

I see, timing for best result is very difficult. My best results was with 2 test probes from multimeter on cooper PCB's cut-off.

I am not trying calculate efficiency, because my coil is far from required

I just want to see how this effect work, and what timing is required.
With hand hit it is hard to understand, why sometime is good result, sometime no.

Then i try to use DP momentary toggle switch, double pole relay. In both I can't get good results, I get only 2-3V on few seconds, and than voltage disappears. I try to change relay's contacts place with no results.
I think i can get very short contact time, there is no problem. My guess is - with perfect synchronic switches it not work, small timing is needed.

Next week I am going to try build good coil for future tests.
Zigis.

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #237 on:** March 08, 2009, 07:11:30 PM »

Zigis,

You only need the right kind of relay. Using the plate method the person can get quick & far gap distances. Most relays have short gap distances. Also the relay should have a strong spring, otherwise it's too slow.

PL

Zigis · « **Reply #238 on:** March 09, 2009, 12:41:38 AM »

Thanks Paul Lowrance,
about slow reaction and springs I am thinking too, do you think distance between contacts in open position is important too ?

Maybe I can find in flea market some old large power relays and take contact group from them.

Zigis.

gotoluc · « **Reply #239 on:** March 09, 2009, 01:03:49 AM »

Quote from: NRGFromTheVacuum on March 08, 2009, 07:08:54 AM

Hi Luc,

Without getting into details, your capacitors voltage values are incorrect.

You did a great job building the circuit from the looks of the video, but the results are poor for the following reasons:

For the source capacitor you need a lower voltage value with high Farads. <-------(This caps written voltage value must always be lower then your collector caps)

For your collector capacitor you need a higher voltage value with low Farads <-------(This caps written voltage value must always be higher then your source caps)

Keep building, the best results will come in due time. I found so far that brass is the best metal to make & break the connections on, copper is only second best.

Thanks for the reply NRGFromTheVacuum,

I have a 30 volt DC 30,000uf cap that I'm quite sure I had also tried as supply cap with the 400 volts AC 60uf motor run cap as receiver but don't remember seeing a better result.

I'll give it one more try and if I get a better result I'll post a new video.

This could be a very specific combination of coil and cap size and you are closer then me with it.

Luc

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