Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding

User Menu

Custom Search

Author Topic: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!  (Read 199179 times)

Low-Q

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2847
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #120 on: February 26, 2009, 09:00:17 AM »
guys,  once again the phenomena shown in the videos is because of the electrolitic capacitor's properties,  they are not constant and the simplistic equation does not hold.

A more appropriate equation is of the form:

C = A  +  B/(1 + w^2 t)

see this paper here:

http://www.millersville.edu/~physics/exp.of.the.month/104/index.html

EM
I agree. I have worked with sound for 20 years now, and capacitors has been a part of cross over frequency calculations. Any capacitor has its own inductance, due to the fact they are winded up like a coil. However, the two metal foils inside a capacitor is working in oposite direction to each other, but the process isn't ideal. So the higher the frequenvy is the greater the inductance will influence on the cross over frequency.

However, it exists expencive capacitors, which is winded in two operations in each direction. The foil is also made of gold, and there is oil as a dielectricum. M-Cap is a known manufacturer for these capacitors. This method requires a physically twice the sice capacitor to maintain the same capacitance. These capacitors has proven to be frequency independed when it comes to capacitance and ther are often used in expencive High End loudspeakers where tolerances are no issue. The price for a 1uF cap is often more than 50 dollars.

The other way to make a capacitor, is to fold the two metal foils like a fan, and is then compressed together to a flat square capacitor. These capacitors has no inductans whatsoever, but are unfortunately very expencive and ineffective to manufacture. These capacitors is manufactured by hand, by the way. The dielectrium is silk and line seed oil. Line seed oil is often used as a base in different house paintings to preserve the wood. The deal is how line seed oil capture water. Water is a electric dipole which never will be staticly charged. The silk can carry 50 times its own weight in water moist.
These capacitors are manufactured:
Like this: + \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ -
Then compressed:  + ||||||| -

Br.

Vidar

Magnethos

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 521
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #121 on: February 26, 2009, 03:18:47 PM »
Quote
@PaulLowran

The bifilar ferrite coil is the key to achieve "free energy". There are others ways to obtain pure voltage from the battery, but the other techniques are difficult to replicate (Al-Fe Wire, The Current Inhibitor circuit, etc...). So the best and easiest way is to use the bifilar coils to increase the time current needs to saturate the circuit. Using some high-inductive coils in series and a fast switch, we can extract pure voltage from the battery and charge a capacitor bank.

The maths here are not very important. Because if the efficiency is only 100%, there is still free energy because we're drawing pure voltage from the battery. If we don't draw current, we will have an infinite battery. The second point is the negentropy effect that NRG shown about the energy amplification. So, this device can be Free Energy (we're only drawing pure voltage without current), and Overunity (the output is higher than the input). The Relaxation Time theory can be found in some advanced books of conventional physics and engineering.

The best way to see if this works is to build the device, maybe using math is a little complex to determine if the device will work or not. The only option is to build the device.

Quote
@All
We can try to replicate the experiment using other kind of capacitors. Maybe we won't get the "extra energy" as NRG shown (with electrolytic caps), but we will get pure voltage in the caps. In the link of the videos I posted in this thread I think the guy charged a cap (I don't know what kind of cap) with pure voltage.
The key is to discharge pure voltage in the caps before current starts to flow in the circuit. If we don't draw current from the battery, then we will have a unlimited energy source.

PaulLowrance

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2483
    • Global Free Energy
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #122 on: February 26, 2009, 04:43:48 PM »
guys,  once again the phenomena shown in the videos is because of the electrolitic capacitor's properties,  they are not constant and the simplistic equation does not hold.

A more appropriate equation is of the form:

C = A  +  B/(1 + w^2 t)

see this paper here:

http://www.millersville.edu/~physics/exp.of.the.month/104/index.html

EM

That's what I've been saying in this thread for days since the start-- dielectric absorption. Capacitance in electrolytics is dynamic, not static.

The other option is his cap is partially damaged. It could be far less than 7500uF. Regardless, this guys design is worth someone investigating, not ignoring. The only thing of interest to me in this guys design is the bifilar magnetic core. The exact dimensions, spacing between wires and core, and *exactly how he wound the core* is very important.

PL

hartiberlin

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8154
    • free energy research OverUnity.com
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #123 on: February 26, 2009, 04:58:05 PM »
There is too much talk here,
we just need to replicate the experiment.

I am still busy with another programming project and had no time to try it
already.

Somebody else just grab 2 caps and a choke and a power supply and can try it ?

We just need confirmations of the experiment and some new numbers.

Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.

PaulLowrance

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2483
    • Global Free Energy
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #124 on: February 26, 2009, 05:16:37 PM »
Somebody else just grab 2 caps and a choke and a power supply and can try it ?
No chance in hell of succeeding if that's all you recommend, Stefan. I'm telling you, if it's legit, then his bifilar winding was a freak chance of nature, like winning the lottery. I can't see how a perfectly wound bifilar magnetic core coil would work. This guy should try to replicate his own coil to see if it works. I'd bet the farm he'll have the exact same results as Marcus Wagner, which is a replicate that does not work!  Marcus Wagner went through the exact same thing. Marcus has built his bifilar coil many times, it does *not* have the "free energy" effect.

So after this guy builds other bilifar magnetic core coils to discover they don't work the same (no "free energy"), then he should get his video camera, start recording as he slowly unravels his original bifilar coil so he can learn exactly how to wind them.

This of course all presumes his caps are undamaged, and it's not due to any appreciable amount of dielectric absorption.

PL

Staffman

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 113
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #125 on: February 26, 2009, 08:07:14 PM »
All,

I tried the setup with a normal coil and it did not work. I used a 40 uf 440 volt non polarized capacitor used for ac motors. The coil that was used was wound on a iron core (nail). I'm not sure how many wraps is there as I used a drill press, probably 300+. When I tried to charge the cap through the coil, it quickly charged up to the battery voltage (9v batt). I did notice a temporary inductive kick on my multimeter around 219 volts(it went away so fast I could barely catch it), but the cap did not charge to it. Instead it read the battery voltage. I did this by hand, and as earlier posts stated, I'm probably too slow to accomplish this by hand unless a huge inductor is used.

Does anyone have any idea how big of an inductance is needed? I have a huge spool of 45 awg wire that I could use to make a one. I got it from someone that was throwing it away. Apparently it has a few breaks on the outer layer. It will take me some time to find the breaks.

I'm sort of confused on this bifilar coil idea. If a coil is wound with dual wires with 4 leads coming out of the coil, whenever you combine the leads to two leads, the current is always going in the same direction around the core. The only thing you have accomplished is increasing the inductance, you have not canceled it out. I always thought a true bifilar coil was wound in opposite directions, so the current would go in opposite directions. Anyways. I could probably use some bifilar 101 if anyone has any links that can correct my thinking.

If anyone has any thoughts as to what I could have done wrong, let me know. ( i.e., Should have used electrolytic, don't use iron nails, etc...)

Staffman
« Last Edit: February 26, 2009, 09:07:44 PM by Staffman »

PaulLowrance

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2483
    • Global Free Energy
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #126 on: February 26, 2009, 09:10:42 PM »
I'm sort of confused on this bifilar coil idea. If a coil is wound with dual wires with 4 leads coming out of the coil, whenever you combine the leads to two leads, the current is always going in the same direction around the core. The only thing you have accomplished is increasing the inductance, you have not canceled it out. I always thought a true bifilar coil was wound in opposite directions, so the current would go in opposite directions. Anyways. I could probably use some bifilar 101 if anyone has any links that can correct my thinking.

I've answered all of the questions how to build a "free energy" machine at my website -->
http://globalfreeenergy.info

Sorry, there's no stopping it now. Ignoring legitimate stuff, etc. etc. etc. is now futile, lol. There *will* be Global Free Energy in 2009, period.

PL

Magnethos

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 521
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #127 on: February 26, 2009, 09:30:45 PM »
@Staffman
You can find more info about the bifilar coil in the next thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2601-capacitor-charging.html

Armakuni has used monofilar coil, and he got good results too.


Quote
Essentially a bifilar coil is pretty much a double wound coil. Instead of using one wire you use two wires of similar or slightly different thickness and wound it around a spool.
There are many techniques that will enhance the effectiveness but lets stick to the basics for now.
Imagine winding a single wire coil around an empty fishing line spool. When you are finished you are left with two wires. The end that you started with and the end that you finished with.
Now imagine winding two wires at the same time around another spool. At the end you are left with 4 wires, two wires you started with and two that you ended with.
There are some nice videos on YouTube that show you exactly how to wind bifilar coils. Actually thats how I started out.

Now in NRG's circuit diagram he shows a bifilar coil but with only two wires which is actually 4 wire ends joined into 2 groups making two wires.
I hope that makes sense.

For now consider winding the bifilar coil first. My first coil I still use. Its approximately 300-350 turns around an emtpy fishing line spool. I used 23 and 26 gage wire to wind it.

PaulLowrance

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2483
    • Global Free Energy
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #128 on: February 26, 2009, 09:44:08 PM »
I think there's going to be a lot of people out of monthly posting paychecks by end of 2009. By 2010 there will be no need for this website.  :)

PL

Magnethos

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 521
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #129 on: February 26, 2009, 09:49:10 PM »
Some interesting stuff on the Tesla's Bifilar Coil
http://merlib.org/node/5516

PaulLowrance

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2483
    • Global Free Energy
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #130 on: February 26, 2009, 09:58:21 PM »
Throwing together a simple coil, or a bifilar coil, or whatever and hoping it produces "free energy" is like closing ones eyes, and trying to hit a dim 1 mile away with a bottle rocket.

The "free energy" has nothing to do with the inductance itself. It's no wonder countless unique people over the decades of trying  to discover the self-running "free energy" perpetual motion machine have failed. You need to learn the physics to eliminate the guess work. Maybe if you had 10 billion people trying different designs you may get lucky in a few months. Guessing is the wrong path.

The two keys to "free energy" via magnetic materials are -->

1. Magnetic viscosity.

2. Change in effective permeability.


I've finally removed the "guessing." At my website I just posted the Grand Magnetic Equation that will allow me or anyone to finally get a close idea how far away a particular design is to being self-running to overcome the great losses of transistors and wire resistance  -->

http://globalfreeenergy.info/the-grand-magnetic-equation.html


For example, in a new version of my recent solid-state design, #3, the gained "free energy" from ambient thermal energy (that exists in all matter all the time) is 0.58 Joules, but the losses from copper wiring alone is 0.60 Joules. Almost there!  ;D  Now if we only had room temp superconducting wires then we have 0.58 Joules of "free energy" per cycle. At 2KHz that comes to 1160 watts!! from a magnetic core that's just 8in long x 3in wide x 1" high.


PL
« Last Edit: February 26, 2009, 11:32:28 PM by PaulLowrance »

powercat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1091
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #131 on: February 26, 2009, 11:39:45 PM »
I think there's going to be a lot of people out of monthly posting paychecks by end of 2009. By 2010 there will be no need for this website.  :)

PL


Hi  PaulLowrance

that's a big clam
NO one here has OU   Do you ???? I do not see it

where is your device

cat

Staffman

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 113
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #132 on: February 26, 2009, 11:47:18 PM »
@Magnethos

Thanks for the link. I was really confused about the bifilar coil. So the purpose of the bifilar windings is to maximize the voltage difference between the windings. Good stuff!!!

I will attempt a bifilar coil setup and try again. I suspect that I will need to recreate the 800+ windings mentioned and try, try again.

Is an electrolytic capacitor absolutely necessary for the setup?

Thanks

Magnethos

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 521
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #133 on: February 26, 2009, 11:49:51 PM »
@ Staffman

All the people that has succesfull replicated the experiment have used an electrolytic cap.
I think you must use an electrolytic one. But if you have another kind of cap, try and say us what happens, maybe you won't get the effect with other kind of cap. But I don't know...

PaulLowrance

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2483
    • Global Free Energy
Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #134 on: February 27, 2009, 12:18:43 AM »
I don't believe in over-unit. I believe in the Universal law of Cause & Effect, that what goes-around comes-around, that you reap what you sow, that you cannot create something from nothing, that the *Infinite* already exists, all around you, that in our Universe and all Infinite parallel Universes already exists Infinite energy!

What I have is just as good as a "free energy" device in my hands. Just as NASA has the knowledge to build a rocket, I now have the knowledge to build a "free energy" device that taps into the endless ambient thermal energy source that exists in all matter all the time continually sustained by our Sun. And I'll have the "Smoking Gun" before the end of 2009. Go try to put a bullet in my head. I've been threatened too many times. I'm too buried at my present location to be touched by any hitman with the best laser rifle. It would take the USA military to take me down.  :)

Better yet, most legit researchers who have the savvy to make my research work don't post much at all, but they send me emails from time to time. So it's inevitable, unstoppable, unpreventable. Global Free Energy in 2009!

PL