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Author Topic: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!  (Read 173332 times)

Offline capthook

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #90 on: February 24, 2009, 09:41:49 PM »
Pulsing a 7500 uF cap at 28V into a 4 ohm load by hand that results in a .01 volt consumption.
NO WAY

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #91 on: February 24, 2009, 09:53:29 PM »
Pulsing a 7500 uF cap at 28V into a 4 ohm load by hand that results in a .01 volt consumption.
NO WAY

It's a bifilar ferrite core coil that has reactance. This is what, the 4th or 5th rock you've thrown. Please learn basic 101 electronics before throwing rocks.



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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #92 on: February 24, 2009, 09:54:18 PM »
I would call that the ancestor of all step-up converters.
With a nice coil and a HV cap you could reach kV with an AA battery.
Do I miss out something ?

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #92 on: February 24, 2009, 09:54:18 PM »
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Offline PaulLowrance

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #93 on: February 24, 2009, 10:08:49 PM »
Just yesterday I was working with a much smaller rod core for magnetic viscosity measurements, and in just 0.6ms the current only reached 0.9A. The current was rising at a steady rate-- inductance. So it is very clear that close to 100% of the caps energy is going into the magnetic field in that guys ferrite core coil.

Again, the only possible draw back that I see is dielectric absorption. For example, place a battery on a similar large cap for several hours, then remove the battery, then quickly place a load on the cap and remove the load, then measure the caps DC voltage, then disconnect everything from the cap and let it stand for an hour or so, then measure the caps DC voltage. It's not uncommon for an electrolytic caps DC voltage to rise by a significant amount *after* being used-- dielectric absorption.

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #94 on: February 24, 2009, 10:23:48 PM »
I sent a private message to the guy asking if he would make a video showing short clips as he makes another one of the bifilar ferrite core coil, and to include a good ruler in the video.

Out of all the present claims of developed & working "free energy" machines on this site, this seems to be the only valid one at the time.

Stefan, maybe this should be its own thread.

PL

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #94 on: February 24, 2009, 10:23:48 PM »
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Offline capthook

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #95 on: February 24, 2009, 10:32:34 PM »
Please learn basic 101 electronics before throwing rocks.

Well PAUL
I've presented my opinion with data, calculations and have done hands-on testing along this subject as well.
Presenting information contrary to your opinion isn't throwing rocks.
But your comment directed at me sure was......

Maybe you should try pulsing a capacitor as presented and see how close you get to .01 volts consumption..............
(hint: not within a country mile)

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #96 on: February 24, 2009, 10:44:13 PM »
Well PAUL
I've presented my opinion with data, calculations and have done hands-on testing along this subject as well.
Presenting information contrary to your opinion isn't throwing rocks.
But your comment directed at me sure was......
The data you presented was "4 ohms."  You didn't even mention the coils inductance, which is the heart of this. Sorry, but anyone who knows basic 101 electronics would see your error. If you've done hands on tests with similar types of coils and claim that the tapping a lead on a plate will discharge a 7500uF cap then sorry, but that clearly shows you're in error. I have a similar core except with a fraction of the windings and even it has enough inductance to not do what you claim.

In that video, nearly all of the energy goes into the magnetic field in his coil-- inductance.

PL

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #96 on: February 24, 2009, 10:44:13 PM »
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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #97 on: February 24, 2009, 10:54:43 PM »
BTW, my iron core coil rod has less than 100 turns, far less than that guys, and my coil has 3mH. Tapping the metal plate can be less than 1ms. The air ionization can typically last 0.5ms. Please do the basic 101 electronics math -->

V = - L * di / dt

and

di = - V * dt / L


and

Energy = 0.5 * L * I^2

Energy = 0.5 * C * V^2


That should be enough basic 101 electronics to get the answer. You may discover that the 7500uF cap does not immediately discharge because of inductance. If his coil is 100mH, perhaps higher, then try that out and see what you get.

PL

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #98 on: February 25, 2009, 02:30:15 AM »
wow, much excitement about nothing.

you guys want an even simpler  experiment of "energy from the <fill in the blank>"  ?

Here's it is:   

Just charge up an electrolitic capacitor and monitor the voltage as you short it out quickly,  what happens to the voltage?   Why the voltage keeps going up,  wow  !!!   ....  amazing   ....   free energy !!!!!

When you understand the nature of electrolitics you will begin to understand what this guy is doing.  Electrolitic caps are not the standard caps  and for the short impulses you give it  the equation  E = 0.5  C  V^2   does not hold,  the battery like nature of the cap playes a big part in this short impulse intervals, that's why it's called an electrolitic capacitor.

Stefan, you've been around for a while,  we've seen this before in one form or another.

EM

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #98 on: February 25, 2009, 02:30:15 AM »
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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #99 on: February 25, 2009, 05:40:55 AM »
Electrolitic caps are not the standard caps  and for the short impulses you give it  the equation  E = 0.5  C  V^2   does not hold
It does hold, but you have to understand the capacitance of an electrolytic is not static, it's dynamic.


the battery like nature of the cap playes a big part in this short impulse intervals, that's why it's called an electrolitic capacitor.
The "battery nature" of the electrolytic capacitor can be on the order of picowatts. That's not what this guy is seeing, period.


Thankfully 2009 *will* be the year of global "free energy."

PL
« Last Edit: February 25, 2009, 04:30:20 PM by PaulLowrance »

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« Reply #100 on: February 25, 2009, 04:51:40 PM »
All this entire experiment is described in the book "The Final Secret of Free Energy" of T.Bearden.
But we've mixed the theory of that book with the experiment of NRGfromthevacuum, and the results are different (because the experiments are different).

The original theory (book's theory), is easy. We need to know only the relaxation time of the material. Once we know the relaxation time, then we need to Pulse DC electricity below the relaxation time. In other words, we need to pulse DC faster than the relaxation time. Here the COP doesn't exists because we aren't drawing power from the battery. We're only drawing pure potential (voltage). Then, we can measure the output power from the collector (Capacitors). But I repeat: we aren't drawing power from the source, for that reason the COP doesn't exists here. We only need to dope a conductor because all pure materials have a very fast relaxation time (in order of 10 ^ -14 secs). If we dope a conductor maybe we can get a relaxation time of 10 ^ -8 and then we would be able to work with that time. Maybe using aluminum and tin as a dope material, we will have a good wire. One option is to use Fe-Al wire, but it's difficult to melt wire at home, so maybe we can use the correct amounts of Aluminum and Tin to get a good wire.

The only thing I need to know is how to calculate the relaxation time in Alloys. I know how to calculate it in pure metals, but not in alloys. When I know how to calculate it, then the only thing we need to do is to build a frequency generator and a little of wire. Then we will have an unlimited source of energy.

Of course, I'm looking for the formula to calculate the relaxation time. But If anyone knows how to calculate it in alloys, we will have the final answer. Only a formula and I will show you how to get a free energy device.

PS: I hope someone will know the answer because we want to get a solution and don't forget this post in the unlimited bytes of the net.

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #101 on: February 25, 2009, 07:50:02 PM »
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All this entire experiment is described in the book "The Final Secret of Free Energy" of T.Bearden.

Not only that, my dear. This whole thing is the secret of tesla.

Tesla discovered that the faster he can switch and the more abrupt he open his "switch" after closing (before real current saturates the wire) the more aetheric-radient scalar waves radiate of his wire and opens a fully new "kind" of electricity, the so called cold-electricity.

And with this kind of electricity, Tesla was given the ability to create heavy currents and very high voltage, directly from the aether.
Nearly all tesla patents are non conventionel electrical systems, but devices to control cold-electricity.

After the discovering of this scalar waves, tesla tried to build more and more devices, witch can more and more shorten the switch sequence.
Look at the magnetically quenched spark gap. With this device tesla was able to create sudden high-voltage discharges under the microsecond-range.

There is no need for semi-conductors, in contrast semi-conductor will never be able to create disruptive discharges because of leak current !



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« Reply #102 on: February 25, 2009, 07:57:41 PM »
I said I read it in the Bearden's book, but I don't know if there is the same theory in other books. As you said, Tesla also explored this phenomenon.

The problem here is the extremely fast switching that we need to achieve if we want to use copper as wire. There are 2 solutions:

1. Create a very very fast automatic switch (around 1 ^ 10 -14 secs)
2. Create an alloy with a higher relaxation time

Do you know what kind of wire Tesla used?

As you know, batteries are free energy generators themselves. The problem is we don't know how to use them correctly. When we draw current, we're closing the "magic gate" that batteries need to tap energy from the vacuum. But batteries must be used to get pure potential (scalar) energy. I don't know why we get Transverse energy when we use a battery in the common way, instead of getting logitudinal potential.

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #103 on: February 25, 2009, 08:06:52 PM »
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1. Create a very very fast automatic switch (around 1 ^ 10 -14  secs)
2. Create an alloy with a higher relaxation time

1. is easy, as described above, the adjustable magnetically quenchend spark gap will solve this problem.
2. No need for it. High-inductive coils increases the saturation-time. This is also the reason, that Nrg does use such a coil. Without the coil, he will never be able to switch under the range of relaxation time manually...

Even Tesla had no source of special alloys.


Please read my theorie that all real overunity-devices need a spark gap to create energy of the "wheelwork of nature" - the aether.
It is postet at the tpu-forum: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4100.0

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« Reply #104 on: February 25, 2009, 08:11:10 PM »
1. is easy, as described above, the adjustable magnetically quenchend spark gap will solve this problem.

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Explain me more about that, because that extremely fast switching time it's difficult to replicate by me.


2. No need for it. High-inductive coils increases the saturation-time. This is also the reason, that Nrg does use such a coil. Without the coil, he will never be able to switch under the range of relaxation time manually...

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I don't know how to calculate the relaxation time using variables as the high-inductive coils. I only know to calculate the relaxation time in pure metals.

Even Tesla had no source of special alloys.


Please read my theorie that all real overunity-devices need a spark gap to create energy of the "wheelwork of nature" - the aether.
It is postet at the tpu-forum: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4100.0
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Of course, I will read it now

 

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