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Offline Koen1

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2009, 07:36:22 PM »
Just for informational purposes, that "energy from thin air" circuit
is in fact the "Tate Ambient Power Module" as described in detail,
incl patent, on the pages of http://www.rexresearch.com/tate/tate.htm

Not that that changes the fact that you can use it to get a little bit
of power from random radio waves of course.
But I like to call things by the name and not adopt some youtube users
self-invented video title instead. But that's just me. ;)

@Magnethos: I do not entirely follow how your three steps constitute a theory of free energy.
Can you please explain it a bit more?
So we use 1) a voltage source to 2) pulse charge capacitors and then 3) use a capacitor bank
to add the charges of many caps together....
I don't really see where the free energy part comes in...
Sure, if the voltage source is a free source, then obviously you could charge as many caps
as you like with it if the source can deliver that amount of charge.
But that will still only give as output exactly the amount of energy put in...
Or is your entire point that there are charges hat can be freely collected from the environment
and stored in caps, charges that do not need to come out of the wall socket or a battery...
... is that your point? I don't think so, I think your trying to point out something else, but
I am not sure. Hence the request for further explanation of your theory there. :)

regards,
Koen

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2009, 07:36:22 PM »

Offline Magnethos

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2009, 12:35:50 AM »
@Koen1

I mean we can replace a battery and use an 'antenna'. The antenna has infinite potential, but the battery sometimes discharges its power. Of course, maybe you need years, but in the end the battery discharges.

So, we can use an antenna to get voltage. Then we use the switch circuit to switch on/off very fast (remember that the effect is higher while current doesn't saturates the circuit). One time we've drawed pure voltage throuth the circuit and the caps are charged. Then we can discharge the caps, using any device. A light bulb, a motor...
The free energy comes when we repeat this proces again and again. Look at the picture to get an idea. But the picture isn't the same schematic that I have posted. But the idea is:
1. Charge the caps
2. Discharge to a load
3. Repeat the process very fast.

Of course, we need to know if we can charge a capacitor bank at the same time. For that reason we need to perform some tests. But the theory is this.

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2009, 12:58:19 AM »
Hi everyone,

I thought this picture was interesting because it shows both the input spike from the battery/capacitor and the input spike from the local vacuum.

The oscilloscope is set to 5 volts per division at 250ms.

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2009, 01:50:57 AM »
Here is a Gif image I made from the video. It shows the current entering the coil. Then after the current leaves the coil, the energy ends up in the 30uF capacitor.

http://www.gifninja.com/Workspace/a699cce1-eb9f-4f73-8483-196c8a9229ae/output.gif
« Last Edit: February 18, 2009, 06:48:56 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2009, 02:33:28 PM »
@Magnethos: Ok, thanks for running that by me again.
So what you're saying is that we can perform that fast-switching trick
and do what Bearden described in that example animation, but
contrary to what Bearden says we do not need to use a special
degenerate conductor with a long relaxation time to make it work?
As long as we just switch things fast enough, we should be able
to get out more than we put in.
Did I understand you correctly now?

Seems to me that this depends on what Bearden calls the steepness of the
potential gradient. That's the sharp rise in potential we see in that sawtooth wave.
Bearden repeatedly refers to such sharp gradients as "breaking the local symmetry",
which in his terminology results in "negative energy spikes". Which are of an energy
form that can be transduced into positive energy, and that can power our devices.

This theory seems to accord with the high potential spikes measured in Bedini's motors,
and it also seems to accord with that scope pic posted by NRGfromtheVacuum above.

So I guess what I'm saying is, it sounds interesting, it sounds like what Bearden has been
saying for years, it sounds like what Bedini manages to do, and in that it is fascinating.

If you have some more detailed schematics on the actual circuit needed to do this
extremely fast switching trick, so we can build it and see if we do indeed get more out than we put in,
then please post them? I for one would like to see them, and I suspect there's others that
would like to see them too. :)

Regards,
Koen

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Offline newton2

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #50 on: February 18, 2009, 03:25:25 PM »
Hello Honoured Profiles and the Honoured Administrator of This The Honourable OU-Forum !

Thanks about the suggested OU-Ideas-Method in Topic (Page 1) ;
THOUGH I AM NOT TRYING TO DE-COURAGE ABOUT VARIOUS SUGGESTED OU-IDEAS-METHODS ,
FOR I SELF DO INTEND TO EN-COURAGE ABOUT RESEARCHINGS IN OU-METHODS ;
THUS I WILL NOT FURTHER INTERFERE TO THE "GOOD-MOODS"-REPLIES-CONTINUED-GOING-ON-DISCUSSIONS "here" per my "formal" Replies "pointes".........
THOUGH OF COURSE SUCH DISCUSSIONS HAVE TO BE MADE OF VARIOUS POSSIBILITIES OF EVEN SUCH AN ELEMENTARY CIRCUIT AS SUGGESTED IN THE INTERESTING ORIGINAL TOPIC (PAGE 1)....................
so just this brief kind hinting Comment :

##The interesting for some further quite otherwise OU-Circumstances-Investigations suggested OU-Method in Topic (Page 1) is basical about THIS Functional Circumstance :
MIGHT SOMEHOW A "CONNECTIVE BREAK" INTO A GOING-ON LC-self-resonances-Circuit
"get" an UN-expected FAR-OF-MORE-Voltage-Built-Up-in-The-C-Condenser
than else per the Max-plus/Minus-Peaks-LC-Resonances-Voltages-in-condenser !!

Well-then.....
==>>TO CALCULATE "FREELY" on UN-specified NON-resistive-having ONLY-LC-resonances
actings
==>>TO CALCULATE ON THE SOCALLED "H-flux-in-through-a-Self-inductance´s-Windings-Inner-areas"-"EMFs"-of-"Time" -->> TO SAY : if suddenly "released" per a "sudden" Connective-BREAK
would THEN the PRESENT-TIME´s-H-flux-in-through-windings-in-SelfInductance could "yeild" a total "Equivalent" CHARGE-in-Condenser "seemingly"-having "MORE-or-LESS" compared to steady-going-on-LC-resonances-up/down-charging of Condenser.....!!

IF JUST A REGULAR COIL OF ONE "IN-SERIES-WOUND-LAYERS-Turns"-Topology is "used" , and IF "USED" is a regular Condenser of "NONE MEMORY-EFFECTS" nor "A-typical epsilon-r-layers" nor "NON-typical-Plates-topologies".....
THEN THE DIS-CONNECTION "FORMS" a fairly-low-impedant-arcings-sparking-"path"-in-Air.....though the PRESENT-TIME-L-selfinductance´s "H-flux-in-through-Turns-"-built-up-"UxI"-Works-Integral THEN just IS the Present-Time-for-DISconnection-being TOGETHER with the Present-time-being Condenser´s "Plate Charges-Voltage" JUST TOTALLING SUMMING UP TO A VOLTAGE being dependent of the Present Time´s Total UxI-products ==>> NOT as suggested in the Original interesting Topic´s (Page 1)´s Ideas-Method:"sudden" MUCH-more-VOLTAGES-building-ups in Condenser because of "DISconnections-Break" !!
(Kind Hint about : the Manually done "work" for to DISconnect in-Itself does NOT "do" a "Work" INTO the LC-Resonances for to should could "make" a sudden-more-per-DISconnection-"yeilded"-MUCH-MORE-Voltages-on-Condenser....for JUDST a transfer of DISconnections-SelfInductance´s SELF-H-flux-to-Turns-Charge-Equivalent as TRANSFERED to the condenser´s Charge "VERY SUDDENLY FAST BECAUSE OF DISconnection....!!)
==>> THOUGH A QUITE OTHWERWISE CIRCUMSTANCE IF THEN INCLUDED-"SOME"
 ABOUT" L-MUTUAL-Separate-Windings ALSO is most briefly mentioned in THe Original Topic (Page 1) AND THEN : if L-more windings-mutualities are "about"/being also "present", then with kind formal References to Technics of socalled SwitchMode-Layouts/Designs with TRANSFORMERS !!

WKR & thanks about this re-freshments-of-Basical-Electro-Technics/Electronics-Theses-Topics-Ideas-Method & have Yourselves a nice Day and many interesting Discussions about such Electrical Networks in Aspects also of otherwise Circumstances than intended OU-actions !
And my Thanks about Your All Participations in The Honourable Course of OU  !
For You All do a needed hardlabored Deed for to gain more Knowledges to Mankind !   

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2009, 03:37:05 PM »
@Koen1
Yes, performing a fast-switching we can collect "extra" energy, from the vacuum. The theory I know is, when we switch very fast, there is only pure potential (voltage) on the circuit. Current needs some time to saturate the circuit, but voltage appears in the circuit at an infinite speed. So, if we switch fast, then pure voltage is in the circuit and that pure voltage "activates" the circuit and that activation produces a Negentropy process (extracting energy from the local vacuum).

If we switch slowly, current saturates the circuit and then the effect is not possible. The part I don't understand is why NRG can get that effect using copper wire. In copper, the relaxation time is extremely fast (0.00000000000000000015 secs), so that means in 0.000000000000000000015 secs current saturates the circuit. So, in theory, the effect would not be possible. But NRG and Armakuni demonstrates that the effect is possible using copper wire as a conductor. I don't understand that part, because I thought that we need Al-Fe wire, but... not. Using copper we can also get the same effect. I don't understand why. Maybe NRG can explains us a bit about this.
In theory, the energy that we store in the caps using this technique is the Radiant electricity (also known as cold, negative, etc...) but I think we can run the devices using that uncommon kind of energy.
Maybe the key is in the bifilar coil? Some modification in the bifilar coil affects to the relaxation time constant? I don't know..

I have heard something about breaking the local symmetry. I remember that I discussed in other thread a theory about symmetry and energy. And the final idea was, the energy is an assymetrical parameter or something similar, I don't remember exactly. But NRG has shown something about the "negative energy spikes". If you look at his last picture of the scope, you can see the picture is inversed.
He explains that the energy coming from the battery and the energy we collect in the caps are different. The energy we use from the batteries is "common electricity" that generates heat, produces entropy (energy scattering due to a disorded of the information/potential) and exhibits a positive curve in gravity.
The energy we collect in the caps is other kind of energy. That energy is known as radiant energy, cold electricity, negative electricity, etc... it is known by a lot of names. This energy produces negative entropy (information order, energy absorbtion from the vacuum), and exhibits a negative curve in gravity.
I think this energy is also known as longitudinal electricity, and it has different properties. A positive resistances is a negative resistance, it runs on high voltage low current, etc... I'm not sure about this, but If anyone can correct this, correct it.
I read somewhere that Tesla used a special bifilar coil to Inhibit the current. So, Tesla can draw pure potential using his special bifilar coil, instead using the fast switch technique. But both techniques are ok.

About the fast-switch circuit I can post the original one. But the original one needs a 9 Volt battery and the ouput is Square Wave, 30 KHz, Positive offset, 7 or 8 Volts. So, it needs some modifications, but you can get an idea to build your own frequency generator, automatic switch... call it as you want.
http://keelynet.com/biology/zapper.htm

NOTE: You need to modify the circuit to adadt it to your project. But I think if you modify the circuit you can get an automatic and very fast switch. But if you have a better device, then post it. I remember ZeroPoint in youtube posted a circuit to get pure potential from the battery. He deleted the videos, but I have a copy of each video in my hard disk. He said me something about the 555 IC, and the hulda clark need the 555 too. So... I think the Hulda Clark zapper can work (with some modifications)

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Offline Frederic2k1

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2009, 04:50:11 PM »
Hi everyone,

I thought this picture was interesting because it shows both the input spike from the battery/capacitor and the input spike from the local vacuum.

The oscilloscope is set to 5 volts per division at 250ms.


@ NRGFromTheVacuum


The blue-marked 200 volts could also be the bemf of the coil or am I confounding things here ?


« Last Edit: February 18, 2009, 06:23:42 PM by Frederic2k1 »

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2009, 05:40:32 PM »
Is the scopeshot measured over the output cap?

I believe what innovationstation did whit his neo zapper was a similar accomplishment: he used neodymium magnets instead of the plate, but he never put in a known energy quantity.

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Offline Magnethos

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2009, 05:41:32 PM »
Here you have the videos I talked about.
http://www.mediafire.com/?oe2gojocmdz

A guy from the youtube shows how to get pure voltage using a circuit.

NOTE: The original videos are deleted in youtube. But I made a copy before.  ;D

Maybe someone will have an idea to merge the NRGfromthevacuum circuit and the circuit on the video. The idea is the circuit of these videos shows how anyone can get pure voltage from a battery (withouth switching???). Then we can use this circuit and the NRGfromthevacuum to draw pure potential (Voltage) throught the circuit and then amplify the energy and charge the caps using the NRG circuit.

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #55 on: February 18, 2009, 06:07:25 PM »
Dear Overunity Seekers !

Maybe nobody wants to realize it - but capacitors - like any other electrical components - and everything else on earth - are not perfect.
If you shorten an almost empty battery - you see how the voltage recovers after removing the short-circuit bridge.
Why ?
Because the battery acts as an infinite amount of elementary batteries - which are partly dead (if empty) or not - which can be seen from the outside that the "internal resistance" - thats an "ideal" approach increases.
BTW its really very difficult to discharge a battery to almost "0" - unless u shorten it for a very long periode.
Similar issues apply to most of capacitors - in higher or lower degreee.
HV caps are well known for these effects.

If you short-circuit them - they are not empty. Internal charge arranges in a way that there is no voltage at the connections.
Its like a bottle with some liquid you cannot empty completly.
BTW: Discharged is not the "lowest" internal energy state of these caps. They tend to increase their "outside" voltage to achieve internal lowest energy state again.
Well short circuit again - same thing - can do that ad infinitum.

This is even supported by the very low leakage current of HV caps.

People who design high precision integrators for very sensible equippement know that.
There are some types of caps which shows very less of that effect - mks types for example.

Now you can flame me to death.

rgds.

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« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2009, 06:23:15 PM »
No need for flaming, just need to experimentally rule this out.
load test maybe, or energy amplification (which is the goal of OU), to minimize the significance of what you talk about.

thanks for the vids magnethos

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2009, 07:30:19 PM »
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The blue-marked 200 volts could also be the bemf of the coil or am I confounding things here ?




The BEMF is always measured below the input voltage.

I'm at work right now, but I will try and post a pic of the BEMF spike later. 

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #58 on: February 18, 2009, 09:57:49 PM »
The BEMF is always measured below the input voltage.

I'm at work right now, but I will try and post a pic of the BEMF spike later. 


Are you sure ?
I mean the voltage, after the current through a coil stops and the magnetic field collapses. This voltage is sometimes much higher (in high-inductive coils) , so that you can lit up a neon of 90 volts with only a source-voltage of e.g. 10 volts.

There are special booster circuits witch do that, it is like a transformer with only one coil...

nevertheless thank you for your answer and sorry for my newbee questions.

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #59 on: February 18, 2009, 10:01:51 PM »

Are you sure ?
I mean the voltage, after the current through a coil stops and the magnetic field collapses. This voltage is sometimes much higher (in high-inductive coils) , so that you can lit up a neon of 90 volts with only a source-voltage of e.g. 10 volts.

There are special booster circuits witch do that, it is like a transformer with only one coil...

nevertheless thank you for your answer and sorry for my newbee questions.

Look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9irQJ6mivs

It will answer your questions about the boost converter and the NRG circuit. They are Not the same.

 

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