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Author Topic: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!  (Read 168464 times)

Offline Frederic2k1

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2009, 05:32:36 PM »
Why the endless confusion with collecting a spark on a capacitor?
Wasn't captainpecan's 84 pages enough?

POWER IN MUST BE MEASURED!
And no where is that done!

Just because you are showing a larger voltage than the source means nothing.
What is a spark?  HIGH VOLTAGE!
So what do you get on a capacitor capturing that spark? HIGH VOLTAGE!

So let's see:

Power in:
12v source into a 4.7 ohm coil
I=V/R
12V/4.7Ohm = 2.553 amps
12V x 2.553A = 30.396 watts
30.396W x .1 seconds = 3.0396 wattseconds (W/S) or joules (J)

Even say you could pulse it in .01 seconds (1 hundredth of a second....doubtful... and a pulse of 1 microsecond - that's one millionth of a second - as listed on one of the diagrams is just silly thinking)

30.396W x .01 seconds = .30396 J or W/S

Power collected:
26V on a 30uF capacitor
.5(26x26x.000030) = 0.01014 J or W/S

So IF you could actually pulse it at .01 seconds (.1 would be more like it)

Power in:  .30396 J
Power out: .01014 J
Efficiency: 3.33%
Wasted power: 96.66 %

And that's being generous........
It's probably more like:

Power in (.1 second): 3.0396 J
Power out           : .01014 J
Efficiency:   .333%
Wasted power: 99.66%


You are not understanding the principle behind this experiment.
Wenn he first hit the two conductors without coil, then the source (the battery) was directly connected to capacitor, so there was low ohmic resistence, it was nothing more than a short circuit and the capacitors voltage climbed as high as the voltage of the battery:

So power collected on capacitor was

E = 0,5 x 12 V x 12V x 30 uF
= 0,00216 J or Ws

Then he connected the coil of 4,7 Ohm and hit again the two conductors.
In this case, because of inductive reactance and added 4,7 ohmic resistance the current must be lower (I = U / R).
The 12 Volt of the source stays the same and although the current is lower because of higher impedance, in the end the voltage on capacitor is higher and we have a gain in energy...


It is true overunity and it is exactly that what Tom Bearden said...

With the high inductive coil, he only wants to transfer the voltage without current. In every high inductance the current is nearly zero at the moment of switching. When you switch to slow, then the current will rise and the overunity effect is gone because the source will depleted.


kind regards

« Last Edit: February 12, 2009, 06:04:04 PM by Frederic2k1 »

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2009, 07:08:25 AM »
You are not understanding the principle behind this experiment.

The 'experiment' is hopelessly flawed, the observations and measurements are severely lacking and the conclusions drawn are completely wrong.
And it's comparing apples to oranges.

The first part has nothing to do with the second.  So to draw conclusion by comparing the two results is impossible and irrelevant.

It is as simple as this:
Take the second part of the - 'experiment'.

1. Power in: how many joules are drawn from the battery?
2. Power out: how many joules are collected on the capacitor?
3. Net loss/gain: 1 minus 2

And since no one ever bothered to measure/calculate the power in, I provided a reasonable calculation so that you might understand what was happening and how and where it all was wrong.....

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2009, 08:21:19 AM »
@ captainhook

Sir mathematicaly you are correct but if we make sudden discharge of that cap to a coil, i think it will be converted into huge energy.

i think from that mathematic is not anymore a reality.

N.tesla, bearden.


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It is on dream why tesla made most of his inventions into reality. even bearden maybe is a dreamer next me ha ha ha;D :P




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Offline Frederic2k1

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2009, 02:22:07 PM »
Quote
The 'experiment' is hopelessly flawed, the observations and measurements are severely lacking and the conclusions drawn are completely wrong.
And it's comparing apples to oranges.

The first part has nothing to do with the second.  So to draw conclusion by comparing the two results is impossible and irrelevant.

It is as simple as this:
Take the second part of the - 'experiment'.

1. Power in: how many joules are drawn from the battery?
2. Power out: how many joules are collected on the capacitor?
3. Net loss/gain: 1 minus 2

And since no one ever bothered to measure/calculate the power in, I provided a reasonable calculation so that you might understand what was happening and how and where it all was wrong.....

Do you then mean, that this is a rather more efficienter way to charge a cap than overunity ?

Nevertheless he has more energy in his cap, with same voltage reading of the source and lower current through ohmic resistance and induvtive reactance. ok agreed, it is still no proof for overunity...
« Last Edit: February 13, 2009, 05:28:08 PM by Frederic2k1 »

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2009, 02:23:25 AM »
Hello everyone,

Overunity is a word which is severely misunderstood.

When we talk about electrical overunity many people use to their common EE teachings say you need to measure watts in & watts out. However this thinking is flawed from the very beginning because their only taught to deal with electron current.

What must be understood in my particular experiment is the battery's energy and the energy which ends up in the capacitor, are completely different! The battery contains electrons which when caused to flow, generate heat, fall victim to entropy, and exhibit a positive curve in gravity. The capacitor contains, radiant energy, negative energy, Dirac-sea-holes, negative mass-energy electrons, dark energy, whatever you want to call it, and when caused to interact with matter, generates negative probability's, negative entropy, and exhibits a negative curve in gravity. The two types of energy must be understood before you can understand anything going on in the circuit.

If I charge one capacitor with electrons, and the other with Dirac-sea-holes. The one with Dirac-sea-holes will weigh less than the one with electrons.

In a future video, I will show this...


So if we want to properly measure the electrical overunity we must measure the input energy in watts, joules, or coulombs through the one load. Then instead of measuring the output watts, joules, or coulombs through one load. Use multiple loads in series with each another, each with its own capture circuit and  storage capacitor. Then take the total energy from each storage capacitor add it up and compare.







 

 
« Last Edit: February 17, 2009, 03:48:35 AM by NRGFromTheVacuum »

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2009, 05:17:43 AM »
Hi NRGfromthevacuum,

great new results from your new 2 videos !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhS4TxP29mM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RGgrkMocCo

In the last one one can see:

Great results, you are well overunity with these measurements.
If the chargeup cap in the background is 30 uF,
then in one test, where the blue cap had 23 Volts
you charged up the 30 uF cap to 373 Volts at minute 1:47 and this is an energy of about 2 .08 Wattseconds( Joules).
Now the blue cap lost at this moment just about 1 Volt, so 22 Volts were left in the cap.
When I did not make any calculation error the
blue cap went from 1.98 Wattseconds to 1.81 Wattseconds, so it just lost only 0.17 Wattseconds.
So you have a COP of:
2.08 Joules output  / 0.17 Joules input  = about 12  !

Great results !

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2009, 05:48:56 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2009, 06:12:03 AM »
Well, Just try to see, how much voltage your blue cap increases, if you put your charge from the 30uF cap into the blue cap!
If the blue cap charges up higher as the starting voltage you have shown, that it indeed works OU !

Regards, Stefan.

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Offline capthook

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2009, 06:51:04 AM »
Well it sure is nice to see someone measuring input!
And some nice test equipment too.
And using a capacitor as the input rather than a battery is most excellent.

Stefan:

I think NRG is a different person than the first video post.
And as to the calculations you posted - I'm assuming this portion of the test was an outlyer (#3), a mistake or something.  He didn't comment on it and quickly reset it to try again.  And the results are in no way similar to the other ones.

Attached is a screenshot of an excel spreadsheet listing the test results.

The 4th test show 110% output over input....

The question is: what size capacitor is the capture capacitor?  He says on the first video he's using a 30uF cap, but doesn't say on the second.  Sure look huge for 30uF - but guess he says they are 4000V?

And why such a wide range of results?

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2009, 07:13:24 AM »
Looking closer:

Test #3 is:

-37.38 volts?

So #3 should be disregarded.  It was really just a preparation for test #4 (or #3 if you now relabel)

But still, #4 apparantly shows a 10% gain.... hmmm, wonder why....
Is the coil still hooked up in these tests?
And is the coil still hooked up to the battery?
And the pulse time of #4 was much shorter than #1 and #2 as evidenced by the smaller power input.
(1/2 the pulse as test #1)

P.S. It would be nice to have a wider view so as to see how the pulses are done and what leads are being used.
I see the yellow lead from the capacitor...
And the green lead.. isn't that from the battery?
etc. etc.

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« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2009, 07:46:40 AM »
And until further information is provided by NRG:

Something is very inconsistent.

1.  Why the -37 volts?  A pulse from the battery of opposite polarity than the input capacitor?

2.  A shorter pulse indicates a greater efficiency.  However, test #2 was a shorter pulse than #1 and shows a lower efficiency.

These two things (and the inability to see the whole experiment) indicate to me something is screwy..

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« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2009, 11:47:20 AM »
I am remembering doing some tests some years ago, where I taped a coil to a charged up 10.000 uF electrolyte cap and wondered, when I drew this way a good fast spark during a fast tap, that the voltage of the cap did not decrease much. I had reported this already somewhere over here in the forum, but I am now on the PDA and cant find it now. It really depends on the mechanical switching and how fast you do it and what kind of sparking is built up during the short contact.
Too bad I never measured it quantitatively at this time..
Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2009, 12:49:45 PM »
There is a big problem here. There are 2 kind of theories. Classical Electro Magnetic (CEM) and the 'alternative' (but true) theories of Lindemann, Bedini and others.
If people look at this technique thinking about the CEM, they will say this is impossible.

But if we open our mind to the true theory, then this tecnique is an infinite source of energy. As NRG says, we can't look for 'overunity devices' using Classical EM theory.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2009, 01:09:50 PM by Magnethos »

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« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2009, 03:56:18 PM »
I think the next device can show free energy effect:

The theory.
1. Anyonce can replace the battery and use other source to get potential (voltage). My idea is to build an antenna to tap potential from the Earth's.
Schematic: Free energy from thin air.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/915226/free_electricity_from_thin_air/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYYysBEwA6w
  * We can add as much antennas we need. Maybe using 2 or 3 we can get 24 Volts. Amperage isn't important. We only need voltage. NRG used a capacitor instead of a battery for input. So, we can use an antenna instead of a battery.

2. Automatic switching
Every time we recharge a cap, the discharge time depends on the device. If the device need 1000 Watts, then the capacitor charge will be lost faster that if we want to run a 50 Watts device using the same cap. So, the automatic switching Switchs on/off constantly to recharge the caps. If the device we have connected to the output needs more power, then the switching time will be faster because we need to draw more power.
Some days ago I built a Hulda Clark zapper. That device is a Pulsed DC, Square Wave circuit of 40 Khz.
1 second / 40,000 Hertz = 0,000025 secs, switching time.

3. Capacitor Bank (in parallel)
Capacitors in parallel increase the capacitance of the circuit. We can use 250 Volts (for Europe) capacitors. if we put 10 (250 Volts @ 300 uF) we will have 250 Volts 3000 uF. It's good to use a capacitor bank because it's easiest with some caps instead of using only 1.

I think I have explained this ok, if you have any doubt, then ask me.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2009, 04:18:49 PM by Magnethos »

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2009, 05:41:59 PM »
It would be nice to see a test of how far you can go with this, for example, how many caps in parallel (like above) can be charged using a single primary cap until depleted.
great work Mr NRG  ;D

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2009, 05:58:57 PM »
Hello Honoured Profiles and The Honoured Administrator of This The Honourable OU-Forum !

Well, NOW a quite otherwise Idea is introduced to be discussed per Replies to Replies;thanks about THIS opportunity to could discuss "some" about socalled "counter-EMF"/"H-Flux-changes-caused-EMF" , and else , related to a socalled "Selfinductance" ....the Original Topic (Page 1) + a later on co-Topic (to clearerly emphasize about the Observed Circumstance) :

MOST BRIEFLY :
when the Accumulator is "switched"-on to begin charge-UP the Condenser , so also "flows" a "short-while" electrical current through the Coil ; if the "switch-on->switch-off"-period is "made" "short-time" compared to the socalled "Time-Constant"-of-the-Condenser-with-Selfinductance-in-series and if per "Fingers-manual-let-wire-ends-connect-on->off"touch just most quickly a connection is made....
THEN the H-flux having been "built-up"-"in"-THe-Coil´s-internal-Area HAS TO BEE ABRUPTLY QUICK CHANGED TO "NIL-H-flux" causing a very quickly CO-original-electrical-currents-directions-"HiTensions"-"Pulse" ABLE to CHARGE the Condenser to several Hundreds volts (because of the Condenser´s fairly little capacitive value to the Coil´s Self-inductance´s fairly "large" value of some 10´s of milli-henries).......
A POSSIBLE SWITCHMODE-ACTING WITHOUT INVOLVING A "FLYBACK-DIODE" HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED DUE TO VERY QUICKLY ON-OFF CONNECTING THE WIRE-ENDS PER MANUAL ACTIONS   (a little sparks-arc makes the low enough Air-Gaps-resistance for to enable the ONE-ACT-SwitchMOde-Step.......) !

If allthough the connection is made TOO "long" ON , then the Condenser is charged FURTHER up per
LC-serial-resonant acting , though THEN the L-current becomes at first "nill" , then will "go" CONTRA
"FLOWING" through Coil while DE-charging the Condenser......IT IS THUS IMPORTANT TO MAKE THE SUITABLE SWITCH-ON-OFF-connections-time for PROPER Function....To Say : neither TOO quickly "short" nor TOO "long" for to obtain the "wanted" observed voltage-built-up in Condenser per one-step-action !

WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day !

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