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Author Topic: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!  (Read 197971 times)

alan

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #210 on: March 07, 2009, 11:10:12 AM »
then pls tell us what your definition is of overunity.
Is it this: only if the form of energy is the same, and the energy produced is in excess over energy needed?

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I stated that the energy captured in the secondary capacitor (30uF) was a different form of energy thus allowing it to be continually amplified to produce more work then the energy used to capture it.
this is the effect we are all looking for, simple as that: more energy out than in, doesn't need to have a definition like OU.
Or do you mean it is an energy collector, in which the work (in Joules total) that it can perform is equal to all the energy 'packets' put in (Joules per pulse)? Then indeed no OU.

this different form of energy, is it negative energy, such as bedini was capturing?
is it really in excess over the dissipated input energy?
how to render it useful?

first comes observation, then replication, then confirmation, then analysis and explanation of its nature, (then product engineering?).
let "us" first make the correct and desired observations. :)

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capthook

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #211 on: March 07, 2009, 11:51:01 AM »
Read what you circled "achieved COP CAN reach >1"

Parsing words?

2 more examples of your OU claims:

"get electrical energy for free!  You can now take the circuit in this video and use it to continuously charge the battery"

A claim of overunity and perpetual motion (self-running/charging)


"This video shows how the electricity collected in the capacitor has more energy then the energy used from the battery to generate that electricity"

ANOTHER claim of overunity.

But now you are stating your latest video ISN'T OU because your switching isn't fast enough or the wire isn't right.
So what of your claims from the first 2 videos??
(obviously you were confused about capacitors and the difference between voltage and charge)

Fool me once.... etc.....................

Magnethos

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #212 on: March 07, 2009, 01:07:56 PM »
Maybe we're a little confusing here because NRG is using 2 kinds of DIFFERENT energies.

He talks about that could be possible to achieve COP > 1, but some people say that COP is not possible.

I think we need to think the situation observing the 2 kinds of energies (Electromagnetic energy from the battery and the Dirac Sea Holes, Radiant energy¿?, etc...)

NRG uses Electromagnetic energy from the battery to ACTIVATE the circuit. Once the circuit is activated, then the negentropic effect starts and the capacitors are full of RADIANT energy. So, if we look at the ElectroMagnetic energy, there is not amplification because that EMag energy was wasted to produce the negentropic effect. But the radiant energy he has stored in the cap, has more energy to do more work.
So, there is an energy amplification because using very EMag energy, he can produce a 2nd kind of energy that can produce more work. In this case, a special case of OU is proved.

BUT, he hasn't achieved OU because that EMag energy was wasted and hasn't been amplified to more EMag energy.

He said that he CAN reach COP > 1 because the system he use is not perfect (he use copper wire and hand switching, so maybe he is drawing a little of power from the battery instead pure voltage). But using the correct wire and the correct switching time, anyone can draw pure voltage, so, the COP > 1 will be possible.

The problem here is we haven't enough tools to measure the relaxation time. But the theory is correct.

So, I think there is OU effect from ElectroMagnetic to Radiant, but not from EMag to Emag.

Magnethos

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #213 on: March 07, 2009, 01:20:50 PM »
I explained something similar based on NRG system.

Extracting pure voltage from the battery, charge the caps with that electrostatic scalar potential and then amplify it and transform it to electromagnetic energy.

The REAL Tesla Coil (not the Olivier Lodge coil we know as Tesla's Coil), was an energy amplifier and worked in a similar way. The coil produced pure voltage continously, extracting that radiant energy from the vacuum. Then, that Radiant Energy was transformed into Electromagnetic energy without discharging the main source of Radiant energy.

For that reason Tesla said that everywhere in the universe we can get all the energy we want. Electrostatic energy is everywhere, but not Electromagnetic. We can extract all the Electrostatic energy we want from a battery, but if we want to extract Electromagnetic energy, then we won't can extract all the energy we want, because the EMag energy is limited to the amount of amperes. But electrostatic scalar potential is infinite and can be transformed to Emag energy.

alan

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #214 on: March 07, 2009, 03:27:05 PM »
How do you make radiant energy to do work, or how to create EM from it?
With what does it interact?

What happens when RE is put onto a stator coil? Does it induct a magnetic field?

Magnethos

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #215 on: March 07, 2009, 04:13:58 PM »
How do you make radiant energy to do work, or how to create EM from it?
With what does it interact?

What happens when RE is put onto a stator coil? Does it induct a magnetic field?

Anyone can extract all the RE extracting only the electric field that flows BEFORE the current starts to flow. I don't know if we can use directly radiant energy to do work. I remember that Edwin Gray used that form of "Cold Electricity" in a light bulb, but I don't know if we can use it with other devices.

The original Tesla coil wasn't a magnetoelectric device as the "modern" tesla coil showed in any textbook about transformers. The Tesla Coil was an electrostatic generator of continuos high tension and the sparks where absolutely white, not blue. And there was only PURE voltage, without current.

This MAYBE was the true Tesla Coil. Or the True Tesla Coil in a machine. BUT I DON'T KNOW.
http://www.plasma-i.com/assets/site-graphics/tesla/Small-Tesla-coil-designed-f.jpg
NOTE AGAIN: I'm NOT sure.

In the conversion from Electrostatic to Electromagnetic, it seems that Tesla used like a ring and unidirectional impulses (¿?) and in that process automatically current is created.
I know the russians used a similar system to send electricity without loses.
They transformed electromagnetic to electrostatic, then they sent it throught only 1 wire and then they transformed from electrostatic to electromagnetic. That is the way they sent electricity WITHOUT losses.
But I haven't more information about that  ???
I also know that there were a formulas called "Tesla's Electrostatic Induction Laws"

I also know that there is a battery called The "Zamboni Pile". That battery was an electrostatic battery. It produces a lot of kilovots and the legend says that the same battery is runing a clokc in Oxford since 1840!!

rensseak

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #216 on: March 07, 2009, 04:14:34 PM »
How do you make radiant energy to do work, or how to create EM from it?
With what does it interact?

What happens when RE is put onto a stator coil? Does it induct a magnetic field?


to ask question is the most easy way to get answers. better let the other do the work!!

PaulLowrance

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #217 on: March 07, 2009, 04:56:22 PM »
Maybe we're a little confusing here because NRG is using 2 kinds of DIFFERENT energies.

It doesn't matter if he's talking about heat energy, mechanical energy, or whatever because when you say there's ***more*** energy you are making a very clear statement. Do you have a new theory that says *more* Bla-Bla energy is less energy than La-La energy?  That wouldn't make sense.

The text in his videos are very clear. One example, "This video shows how the electricity collected in the capacitor has ***MORE*** energy ..."

PL

alan

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #218 on: March 07, 2009, 06:50:28 PM »

to ask question is the most easy way to get answers. better let the other do the work!!
true, what are you waiting for, start building to provide me the answers.
but seriously, many here seem to know a big deal, so why not ask questions?

@mag
thanks
isn't this radiant energy (aka negative energy) different in nature than (positive) electrostatic energy, therefore different rules apply?
how does it interact with electrons/charge when released at will, after capturing?



NRGFromTheVacuum

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #219 on: March 07, 2009, 08:36:33 PM »
Maybe we're a little confusing here because NRG is using 2 kinds of DIFFERENT energies.

So, there is an energy amplification because using very EMag energy, he can produce a 2nd kind of energy that can produce more work. In this case, a special case of OU is proved.

That is correct.....

The text in his videos are very clear. One example, "This video shows how the electricity collected in the capacitor has ***MORE*** energy ..."

PL

My statements in the video where misleading, that was my mistake for which I apologize.

Magnethos explains whats happening very clearly.

BUT, he hasn't achieved OU because that EMag energy was wasted and hasn't been amplified to more EMag energy.

He said that he CAN reach COP > 1 because the system he use is not perfect (he use copper wire and hand switching, so maybe he is drawing a little of power from the battery instead pure voltage). But using the correct wire and the correct switching time, anyone can draw pure voltage, so, the COP > 1 will be possible.



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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #220 on: March 07, 2009, 09:16:39 PM »
@ nrg in your video you share a circuit (attached ) which you say can be used to extract cold electricity & can be used to charge the battery.
i have 3 questions
1.what component are you using in  circle marked red is it a reed switch,hall switch or an op-to?
2. can you draw the wires clearly, which wire is going where.?
3. gauge or size of the wire you had winded.?
i know you are very busy, but if you don't share the information it becomes difficult for normal lay man to replicate the experiments.

thanks in advance.

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #221 on: March 07, 2009, 09:30:00 PM »
My statements in the video where misleading, that was my mistake for which I apologize.

from dictionary.com

Misleading:
Definition - deceptive; tending to mislead
Synoyms - deceitful, deceptive, false, fradulent
Antonyms - honest, truthful

u show a process and videos that show how to produce more energy out than in
now u say its not true its deceitful videos
u should be honest and change the videos to clearly state that
maybe u should get your buddies at nasa to help u build a $10 switching circuit giggle snort

NRGFromTheVacuum

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #222 on: March 07, 2009, 11:49:22 PM »
from dictionary.com

Misleading:
Definition - deceptive; tending to mislead
Synoyms - deceitful, deceptive, false, fradulent
Antonyms - honest, truthful

u show a process and videos that show how to produce more energy out than in
now u say its not true its deceitful videos
u should be honest and change the videos to clearly state that
maybe u should get your buddies at nasa to help u build a $10 switching circuit giggle snort


From dictionary.com - Energy: the capacity to do work

Until the energy stored in the secondary capacitor actually does preform work. Then nobody here has any idea how much work it can preform.

So when I state that the secondary capacitor has MORE energy then the energy used to generate (which should say gather) that electricity.

It should be interpreted as: "The secondary capacitor has a larger capacity to do work then the energy used from the source capacitor that gathered that capacity to do work."

I am human, so I'm entitled to make some grammar mistakes time to time..  ;)



 
 

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #223 on: March 08, 2009, 12:46:34 AM »
All of this talk still doesn't answer any of the important questions. I'm guessing you don't have access to the capacitor meter for your experiments. That's fine, and in fact for this case it's better to do the capacitance measurement with a simple RC time constant test. The RC time constant test does not require the cap to be first discharged before taking the test. In fact, you could use whatever charge happens to be on the cap to do the RC test.

If you could please do a quick RC test on both caps immediately before and after your experiment then that would help a lot.

If it's still a thumbs up, then all I can say is to build another bifilar coil and see if it works. If it were me, I would use other caps on the original bifilar coil before building another just to make sure it's not something special with the cap.

PL

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #224 on: March 08, 2009, 12:48:44 AM »
@ nrg in your video you share a circuit (attached ) which you say can be used to extract cold electricity & can be used to charge the battery.
i have 3 questions
1.what component are you using in  circle marked red is it a reed switch,hall switch or an op-to?
2. can you draw the wires clearly, which wire is going where.?
3. gauge or size of the wire you had winded.?
i know you are very busy, but if you don't share the information it becomes difficult for normal lay man to replicate the experiments.

thanks in advance.

YouTube really makes that picture look bad, here is a better one.